Best Chicago Bulls Postgame Show Podcasts (2025)

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Noa Essengue Draft Grades: Did Chicago Bulls SWING BIG? | CHGO Bulls Podcast 1:01:21

1d ago1:01:21

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The CHGO Bulls crew review a variety of draft grades for the Chicago Bulls selecting Noa Essengue with the 12th overall pick in the 2025 NBA Draft. Most NBA media outlets gave them high marks, As and Bs, while also noting the “long-term project” element of the Essengue pick. But many believe if he develops to his full potential, the Bulls may have …

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Are the Chicago Bulls Playing the WAITING GAME with Josh Giddey? | CHGO Bulls Podcast 59:54

2d ago59:54

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The CHGO Bulls crew dive into the latest NBA Free Agency news, including updates on Chicago Bulls restricted free agent Josh Giddey and the Bulls’ continued connection to Jonathan Kuminga. Brian Windhorst stated that according to his sources, there won’t be a Giddey deal done “anytime soon.” What should Bulls fans make of this? And are the Bulls ac…

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FREE AGENCY DAY 2: Big Implications for Josh Giddey, Nikola Vucevic markets? | CHGO Bulls Podcast 1:01:11

3d ago1:01:11

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The CHGO Bulls crew are LIVE on Day 2 of NBA Free Agency, breaking down the latest deals and their potential impact on Chicago Bulls moves. What have the signings and trades of several centers, including Myles Turner, done to the trade market for Nikola Vucevic? Are the Bulls now in total control of their negotiations with restricted free agent Jos…

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FREE AGENCY BEGINS! Can Chicago Bulls get Jonathan Kuminga in sign-and-trade? | CHGO Bulls Podcast 2:00:39

4d ago2:00:39

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The CHGO Bulls crew are LIVE for the first hour of the NBA’s 2025 free agency window opening. Will we quickly see the Chicago Bulls and Josh Giddey come to terms on a new contract? Meanwhile, trade rumors are flying around Ayo Dosunmu and Coby White. Could one of them be moved, and is Tre Jones a target to re-sign as he likely fields many suitors a…

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Ep. 260 - Cubs Tough Road Trip + Bulls & Blackhawks Draft Recap + Team Builder: 2000's Video Games 1:06:58

5d ago1:06:58

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Leading off, as always, is "Sinkers and Floaters on the hot and not in the world. In the two spot is the "TCF Sports Minute," covering updates on the Chicago sports teams. Following that in the three spot is a new "Team Builder." "Everyday Madden Ratings" makes a return in the clean up spot. Wrapping things up, in the five spot as always, is the "T…

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Lonzo Ball TRADED to Cavs! Chicago Bulls Land Isaac Okoro in Bold Move | CHGO Bulls Podcast 57:56

6d ago57:56

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BREAKING NEWS! The Chicago Bulls have sent Lonzo Ball to the Cleveland Cavaliers in exchange for Isaac Okoro. The CHGO Bulls crew reacts live to this seismic trade, dissecting what it means for Lonzo's future, the Bulls' roster construction, and whether adding Okoro is the right move for Chicago. Is this a shrewd gamble or a massive mistake? Tune i…

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NBA Draft Night 2 LIVE: Chicago Bulls USE Second Round Pick on LACHLAN OLBRICH | CHGO Bulls Podcast 2:37:15

8d ago2:37:15

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Join the CHGO Bulls crew for a LIVE watchalong of the Second Round of the 2025 NBA Draft. Matt Peck, Big Dave Watson, and Will Gottlieb analyze picks from all 30 teams, including the Chicago Bulls. After trading down from 45 to 55, will the Bulls actually use their draft pick? Or are more trades in their future? Find out LIVE with the CHGO Bulls cr…

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Chicago Bulls Draft Noa Essengue...WHAT'S NEXT? Marc Eversley Answers | CHGO Bulls Podcast 1:01:27

8d ago1:01:27

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The CHGO Bulls crew are back after Night 1 of the 2025 NBA Draft to break down the press conference from Chicago Bulls GM Marc Eversley. Marc spoke on Wednesday night after the Bulls selected French forward Noa Essengue with the 12th overall pick. What vision do the Bulls have for Essengue’s player profile and role on the team’s future? Plus, Evers…

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NBA Draft Night 1 LIVE: Chicago Bulls Take Noa Essengue at 12 | CHGO Bulls Podcast 3:37:59

9d ago3:37:59

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Join the CHGO Bulls crew for a LIVE watchalong of the 2025 NBA Draft. Matt Peck, Big Dave Watson, Will Gottlieb, and Will Perdue analyze picks from all 30 teams, including the Chicago Bulls. As the names slowly come off the Bulls big board, will they make a move to land higher in the draft? Are the rumors of their focus on big men - Khaman Maluach,…

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How Does Jrue Holiday Trade CHANGE Chicago Bulls' Draft Future? 9:39

10d ago9:39

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The CHGO Bulls crew discuss how Jrue Holiday's trade from the Boston Celtics to the Portland Trail Blazers will affect the Chicago Bulls' future NBA Draft positioning. The Trail Blazers owe the Bulls a first round pick from a trade that has yet to convey. Does getting Holiday put the Blazers farther away from the NBA Draft Lottery? And will that me…

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LAST SECOND NBA Draft Intel with Jeff Goodman: Could Chicago Bulls Trade Up? | CHGO Bulls Podcast 59:54

10d ago59:54

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The CHGO Bulls crew break down all the latest intel surrounding the Chicago Bulls on the eve of the 2025 NBA Draft! Jake Fischer reports hearing whispers around the league that the Bulls could trade up on draft night to get the big man they covet. Meanwhile, Noa Essengue and Collin Murray-Boyles are two names that keep getting tied to Chicago. Jeff…

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Alex Caruso wins NBA title as Josh Giddey contract negotiation nears | CHGO Bulls Podcast 1:04:51

11d ago1:04:51

1:04:51

The CHGO Bulls crew discuss the Oklahoma City Thunder - and their prized trade acquisition Alex Caruso - winning the NBA championship with a Game 7 triumph over the Indiana Pacers on Sunday. Should this be the final reevaluation of the Caruso for Josh Giddey trade, and how it impacts the Chicago Bulls’ current status in the league? Meanwhile, Tyres…

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Can One of These PIPE DREAM Players Fall to the Chicago Bulls at 12? 11:38

13d ago11:38

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The CHGO Bulls crew discusses which players they'd be happy to see fall in the NBA Draft to the Chicago Bulls at number 12. Is Khaman Maluach the answer to the Bulls defensive problems? Is Ace Bailey worth moving up a few spots? Plus, which players can be "safety picks" on the Bulls big board?By Big Dave Watson, Will Gottlieb

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Ep. 259 - PCA MVP? + Andrew Vaughn Traded + Panthers Win Stanley Cup + Thunder/Pacers Game 7 1:01:28

14d ago1:01:28

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Leading off, as always, is "Sinkers and Floaters on the hot and not in the world. In the two spot is the "TCF Sports Minute," covering updates on the Chicago sports teams. Following that in the three spot is a new "Team Builder." "NBA Playoff Update" is in the four hole. Next up is a full "NHL Playoff Recap." Wrapping things up, in the six spot as …

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Should the Bulls be ALL IN on drafting Derik Queen or Kasparas Jakucionas? | CHGO Bulls Podcast 1:01:06

14d ago1:01:06

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CHGO Spirit Week continues on as we celebrate you, the Diehards! In addition to talking Game 6 of the NBA Finals, Will Gottlieb and Big Dave answer questions from the Diehards about who the Bulls should draft. Should the Bulls be all in on Derik Queen? Is Asa Newell the prospect the team needs? Can Kasparas Jakucionas be the player that the Bulls n…

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Are the Chicago Bulls prepared to PAY or OVERPAY for Josh Giddey? | CHGO Bulls Podcast 1:00:27

15d ago1:00:27

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On this episode, CHGO Spirit Week continues on with BBBSA Day. Big Dave and Will Gottlieb preview Game 6 of the NBA Finals and discuss articles from Jon Hollinger and Bobby Marks detailing the price they would pay for Josh Giddey this offseason. Is the price that they set too high or too low? What leverage does Giddey have in these negotiations wit…

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Why are the Bulls EXTENDING Arturas Karnisovas and Marc Eversley? | CHGO Bulls Podcast 1:03:50

16d ago1:03:50

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On this episode, CHGO Spirit Week rages on with Musical Chairs Day! Mark Carman from CHGO Bears joins the show to discuss reports that along with Billy Donovan, Arturas Karnisovas and Mark Eversley will be extended. Is this the right move for the Chicago Bulls' future? Matt Peck joins us to give his take on the news. Plus, Carm details the greatest…

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MYSTERY GUEST! Plus, Are the Chicago Bulls Willing to Trade Up for Ace Bailey? | CHGO Bulls Podcast 1:07:36

17d ago1:07:36

1:07:36

On this episode, Will Gottlieb and Big Dave discuss Game 5 of the NBA Finals. Next, Jonathan Kuminga is still an option for the Chicago Bulls according to reports. What would a sign and trade look like for the Bulls and Golden State Warriors? What contract would they be willing to offer Kuminga? Plus, CHGO Spirit Week continues on with a surprise s…

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How is Coby White's TRADE MARKET Impacted by Magic/Grizzlies Trade? | CHGO Bulls Podcast 1:00:37

18d ago1:00:37

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On this episode, Big Dave and Will Gottlieb talk about the huge NBA trade that sends Desmond Bane from the Memphis Grizzlies to the Orlando Magic for two players and four first round picks plus a first round swap. Did the Magic give up too much to acquire Bane? Plus, with Bane now in the Eastern Conference, how does this shift the Chicago Bulls off…

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PROSPECT PROFILES: Are Maxime Raynaud, Joan Beringer Options for the Chicago Bulls? 8:29

21d ago8:29

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The CHGO Bulls crew discusses two NBA Draft options at center for the Chicago Bulls, French ABA League player Joan Beringer and former Stanford player Maxime Raynaud. Are either of the French-born players options for the Bulls at 12? Are they the RIGHT type of center for the Bulls to build their roster around Josh Giddey and Coby White?…

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Is Matas Buzelis the new FACE of the Chicago Bulls? | CHGO Bulls Podcast 59:50

21d ago59:50

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On this episode, Big Dave and Will Gottlieb dive into the summer of Matas Buzelis. He’s been everywhere this offseason, from Shaq’s show on Netflix to corresponding for the NBA Finals. Is Matas the new face of the Chicago Bulls? How would his play on the court impact his status with the team and league? Plus, Lonzo Ball’s name continues to pop up i…

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Is a Billy Donovan extension IMMINENT with the Chicago Bulls? | CHGO Bulls Podcast 59:27

22d ago59:27

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On this episode, Will Gottlieb and Big Dave discuss the Chicago Bulls declining the New York Knicks request to speak with Billy Donovan about their head coach vacancy. Was this the right move? Does it signal that an extension for Billy Donovan is soon on the way? Plus, the Utah Jazz are expected to listen to offers for Walker Kessler. Should the Bu…

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Is Ayo Dosunmu part of the Chicago Bulls FUTURE plans? | CHGO Bulls Podcast 59:44

23d ago59:44

59:44

On this episode, Will Gottlieb and Big Dave celebrate the 28th anniversary of The Flu Game. Where does it rank in greatest Michael Jordan moments? Plus, Ayo Dosunmu has one year left on his deal...are the Chicago Bulls entertaining thoughts of moving the beloved Bull? Is he part of the team's future moving forward? Elsewhere in the NBA, the Orlando…

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Should the Chicago Bulls TRADE DOWN for Will Riley and Drake Powell? | CHGO Bulls Podcast 1:04:40

24d ago1:04:40

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On this episode, Big Dave and Will Gottlieb dive into Joe Cowley's article stating that Artūras Karnišovas is having a solid offseason by simply standing pat. Is it better for AK to stand down until making a move becomes a must? Also, the Chicago Bulls could be in a position to trade down in the 2025 NBA Draft. What teams would be willing to move u…

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What are the Chicago Bulls TOP-3 Offseason Priorities? | CHGO Bulls Podcast 1:06:54

25d ago1:06:54

1:06:54

On this episode, Will Gottlieb and Big Dave dive into the top offseason priorities for Arturas Karnisovas and the Chicago Bulls. Where does Josh Giddey's contract rank among the top-3? Which players on the roster should be prioritized on the trade market? Plus, the guys get into the first two games of the NBA Finals as the series is tied at 1-1. An…

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Will Chicago Bulls Trade BOTH Lonzo Ball and Nikola Vucevic? | CHGO Bulls Podcast 59:14

28d ago59:14

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The CHGO Bulls crew discuss new reports about the sale of the Chicago White Sox and the impact it will have on the Chicago Bulls. Also, can Bulls fans finally rest easy knowing they'll be able to watch their team on Comcast next season? With Lonzo Ball reportedly on the trading block AGAIN, and Nikola Vucevic continually in rumors, the crew discuss…

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The Arturas Karnisovas Plan: BUYING IN? With Jamaal from Bulls Central | CHGO Bulls Podcast 59:52

29d ago59:52

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The CHGO Bulls crew welcome creator and host of the Bulls Central Youtube channel Jamaal Aflatooni back to the show! Jamaal shares his thoughts on the Bulls 2024-25 season: the Zach LaVine trade, the post-All Star break leap from Coby White and Josh Giddey and Matas Buzelis’ rookie campaign. How does Jamaal feel about Giddey’s contract situation, a…

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Will Billy Donovan’s Chicago Bulls Tenure Soon be at an END? | CHGO Bulls Podcast 1:04:33

1M ago1:04:33

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On this episode of CHGO Bulls, Big Dave and Will Gottlieb dive into the NBA announcement that the All-Star Game will be Team USA vs.The World. Who will be the favorite to win the matchup? What will the starting fives look like? Also, we review the tenure of HOF Chicago Bulls coach Billy Donovan. Is he the right coach for the future of this team? Pl…

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Should the Chicago Bulls Bring TOM THIBODEAU Back? 9:02

1M ago9:02

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The CHGO Bulls crew discuss the news of the New York Knicks parting ways with head coach Tom Thibodeau. Should the Chicago Bulls consider a reunion with their former head coach? Is he a better option for the current state of the Bulls than Billy Donovan?By Matt Peck, Big Dave Watson, Will Gottlieb

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Josh Giddey OR Coby White? Chicago Bulls Reportedly Won’t Keep Both | CHGO Bulls Podcast 1:04:50

1M ago1:04:50

1:04:50

The CHGO Bulls crew discuss freshly sourced rumors that the Chicago Bulls will not keep Coby White and Josh Giddey, but only one of them. Matt Moore of Hardwood Paroxysm reported in his Substack that multiple Eastern Conference personnel figures believe the Bulls are “unlikely to retain both Josh Giddey and Coby White.” Assuming the Bulls sign Gidd…

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NEW NBA Mock Draft! Who will Chicago Bulls take at #12? | CHGO Bulls Podcast 1:11:24

1M ago1:11:24

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The CHGO Bulls crew kick off 2025 NBA Draft Month with a brand new Mock Draft! Which names are rising, which names are falling, and which players will be available for the Chicago Bulls when they’re on the clock with the 12th overall pick? Peck, Big Dave and Will Gottlieb review several names that could still be on the board including: Collin Murra…

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Is Drake Powell ON THE RADAR for the Chicago Bulls? | CHGO Bulls Podcast 1:02:32

1M ago1:02:32

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On this episode, Will “Goat" Gottlieb and Big Dave review the ECF being extended to a Game 6. Will the Knicks force a Game 7? Plus, Drake Powell is a hot name right now in the draft. The Chicago Bulls are reportedly interested in the UNC Freshman. Is he worth moving up for in the draft? Could he jump into the 1st round? What help can he provide to …

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Fake Trade Friday: What Should the Chicago Bulls GIVE UP for Cam Johnson? 8:50

1M ago8:50

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The CHGO Bulls crew discusses the latest trade rumors about the Brooklyn Nets' Cam Johnson. What could the Chicago Bulls give up for Johnson, include Patrick Williams, draft picks, Coby White, and more? Plus, which NBA Draft pick - if any - should the Bulls get back from the Nets?By Matt Peck, Big Dave Watson

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Is Daniel Gafford a DREAM TARGET for the Chicago Bulls? | CHGO Bulls Podcast 1:03:20

1M ago1:03:20

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On this episode, Big Dave and Will “The Goat" Gottlieb talk about the Conference Finals matchups for the West and the East. Will the Finals matchup be decided tonight or will there be a Game 6 in the ECF? Also, KC Johnson is reporting that the Chicago Bulls are looking for draft picks that fit the team more “stylistically". Is this the right approa…

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Could the Chicago Bulls TRADE Lonzo Ball to the Mavericks? | CHGO Bulls Podcast 1:06:37

1M ago1:06:37

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On this episode, Big Dave and Will Gottlieb discuss the Eastern Conference Finals as the Pacers take a commanding 3-1 lead. Also, Lonzo Ball is being mentioned as a player of interest for the Dallas Mavericks. Would the Bulls be open to trading the 6 year vet to Dallas? Plus, Co-Host of Locked on NBA Big Board James Barlowe joins us to talk Bulls d…

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Does drafting Egor Demin mean the END of Josh Giddey as a Bull? | CHGO Bulls Podcast 1:04:30

1M ago1:04:30

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On this one, Will Gottlieb and Big Dave get into the Eastern and Western Conference Finals and how those series are playing out. Are they surprised at the outcome or is it playing out as they expected? Also, we dive into Joe Cowley’s article that suggests Egor Demin is who the Chicago Bulls will target in the draft. Does this mean the end of Josh G…

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Ep. 258 - Around The Horn Is Done + Paul Skenes Cubs Trade? + TCF Top 3: 80's Rock Bands 38:09

1M ago38:09

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Leading off, as always, is "Sinkers and Floaters on the hot and not in the world. In the two spot is the "TCF Sports Minute," covering updates on the Chicago sports teams. Following that in the thee spot is an "NBA Playoff Update." In the four hole is a full "NHL Playoff Update." In the five spot is a brand new "Team Builder." Wrapping things up, i…

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Is Josh Giddey Due for a FIVE-YEAR Contract with Chicago Bulls? 14:01

1M ago14:01

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The CHGO Bulls crew discusses Josh Giddey's upcoming restricted free agency. Should the Chicago Bulls allow him to test the market with an NBA team like the Brooklyn Nets? And what kind of contract will he command after a hot end to the season?By Matt Peck, Big Dave Watson

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Chicago Bulls DRAFT STRATEGY: Best Available or Draft for Need? | CHGO Bulls Podcast 1:05:54

1M ago1:05:54

1:05:54

The CHGO Bulls crew answer mailbag questions from Chicago Bulls fans about the upcoming 2025 NBA Draft! Should the Bulls be drafting for specific roster needs, or take the best player available regardless of position? Which players in the #3-11 range would be worth trading up for, and at what cost? Peck and Big Dave also answer questions about pote…

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Tim Sinclair Joins: Is Kasparas Jakucionis NEXT Illini drafted by Bulls? | CHGO Bulls Podcast 1:05:22

1M ago1:05:22

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The CHGO Bulls crew welcome Chicago Bulls PA announcer Tim Sinclair back to the show! Peck and Big Dave get Tim’s perspective from some of the wildest moments at the Madhouse on Madison this season, like Matas Buzelis hammer dunks and the Josh Giddey miracle shot. Tim also shares his experiences from the Derrick Rose retirement ceremony and being t…

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Is a Jonathan Kuminga trade WORTH EXPLORING for the Chicago Bulls? | CHGO Bulls Podcast 1:06:23

1M ago1:06:23

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On this one, Matt Peck and Big Dave dive into Game One of the WCF and discuss Matas Buzelis being named to the NBA All-Rookie Second Team. Plus, Jonathan Kuminga has been linked to the Chicago Bulls in several reports. Is Kuminga worth trading for? What can the Chicago Bulls offer the Warriors for him? Also, Michael Porter Jr could be on the market…

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Adam Amin IN-STUDIO: Is Matas Buzelis the Chicago Bulls' Future? | CHGO Bulls Podcast 1:09:53

2M ago1:09:53

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The CHGO Bulls crew welcome Chicago Bulls TV Play by Play announcer Adam Amin back to the show! Peck and Big Dave get Adam’s thoughts on the Bulls 2024-25 season: the highs of Matas Buzelis’ growth and Josh Giddey’s post-All Star break run, and the lows of another Play-In Tournament loss and bad luck on draft lottery night. How does Adam feel about…

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Should Chicago Bulls OFFER Coby White to 76ers for #3 pick in NBA Draft? | CHGO Bulls Podcast 1:10:01

2M ago1:10:01

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The CHGO Bulls crew discuss recent chatter around the Philadelphia 76ers potentially shopping the #3 overall pick in the 2025 NBA Draft. Is Daryl Morey looking to make another splash move after the Sixers’ season unraveled with injuries to its veteran stars? It landed them the third pick, but Morey might look to flip that pick for more “win now” he…

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Best NBA Combine FAN FAVORITE? Rasheer Fleming, Will Riley, Kasparas Jakucionis | CHGO Bulls Podcast 1:00:16

2M ago1:00:16

1:00:16

The CHGO Bulls crew break down more NBA Draft Combine interviews, featuring Rasheer Fleming, Kasparas Jakucionis, Will Riley and Rocco Zikarsky. These four players seem to be among the most talked about by the Bulls fanbase. Which Illini product would fit better into the current Bulls core? Could Zikarsky be the big man solution with a second round…

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Ep. 257 - Bears Schedule & Caleb Williams Story + White Sox-Cubs Series + Bulls Lose Coin Toss 48:24

2M ago48:24

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Leading off, as always, is "Sinkers and Floaters on the hot and not in the world. In the two spot is the "TCF Sports Minute," covering updates on the Chicago sports teams. Hitting third is a brand new "Team Builder." Following that in the cleanup spot is an "NBA Playoff Update." In the five hole is a full "NHL Playoff Update." Wrapping things up, i…

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Best NBA Draft Combine INTERVIEW? Khaman Maluach, Derik Queen, Carter Bryant | CHGO Bulls Podcast 1:08:44

2M ago1:08:44

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The CHGO Bulls crew break down more NBA Draft Combine interviews, featuring Khaman Maluach, Derik Queen, Carter Bryant and Collin Murray-Boyles. Which of these players would be the best fit for the current Chicago Bulls roster? Peck, Big Dave and Will Gottlieb discuss the players’ traits and most interesting answers from their Combine interviews. P…

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NBA Combine Day 2: Bulls Meet Top Prospects Tre Johnson, Thomas Sorber & More! | CHGO Bulls Podcast 1:13:43

2M ago1:13:43

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The CHGO Bulls crew discuss all the names connected to the Chicago Bulls on Day 2 of the NBA Draft Combine. Among the prospects who met with the Bulls on Wednesday: Collin Murray-Boyles, Asa Newell, Thomas Sorber and Tre Johnson. Johnson is projected to go Top 10, maybe even Top 5, in the 2025 NBA Draft next month. Could this mean the Bulls are con…

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Will Michael Jordan Make a GOOD NBA Analyst? 10:06

2M ago10:06

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The CHGO Bulls crew discusses NBA on NBC's announcement that Michael Jordan will be joining their coverage as a "special contributor." What does the NBA legend have to offer as an analyst? And how frequently will he actually be contributing? Matt Peck and Big Dave discuss.By Matt Peck, Big Dave Watson

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Who are the Chicago Bulls TOP TARGETS at DAY 1 of NBA Draft Combine? | CHGO Bulls Podcast 1:03:35

2M ago1:03:35

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The CHGO Bulls crew review the biggest names and headlines from Day 1 of the 2025 NBA Draft Combine! With the results of Monday night’s lottery, which players should the Chicago Bulls be watching most closely as their potential selection with the 12th overall pick? Julia Poe of the Chicago Tribune joins Peck, Big Dave and Will Gottlieb to review th…

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2025 NBA DRAFT LOTTERY LIVE! Will Chicago Bulls jump up? | CHGO Bulls Podcast 1:19:14

2M ago1:19:14

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The CHGO Bulls crew are LIVE as we watch the results of the 2025 NBA Draft Lottery unfold. The Bulls are positioned 12th in the lottery, with a 1.7% chance of landing the #1 overall pick and 8% chance of jumping into the Top 4. Will they cash in on their miniscule odds to draft Cooper Flagg or another top-tier talent? If they stay at #12, which pro…

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