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In this special episode of the In Black and White podcast, we say goodbye and honor, co-host Dr. Terrance Dean. Dr. Dean passed away suddenly in 2022. Co-host, Scot Kirk, invites Dr. Dean's friends and colleagues including; Dr. Karen Powell-Sears, Amelia Robinson, Dr. Fareeda Griffith and Christopher Travers to talk about their memories of Dr. Dean…
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Dr. Terrance Dean and Scot Kirk sit down with John H. Gregory, Founder of the National Center for Urban Solutions and National African American Male Wellness, along with Kenny Hampton, VP at African American Male Wellness Agency. The pair talked about the work that the organization does and Gregory reflects on his work throughout the years. Gregory…
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Podcast hosts Dr. Terrance Dean and Scot Kirk speak with Jewel Woods, founder and clinical director of Male Behavioral Health in Columbus, about the impact of COVID-19 on the Black community and particularly Black men and boys. Pandemic isolation — not to mention the deaths of loved ones from the virus — brought anxiety, trauma and depression to a …
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Dr. Terrance Dean and Scot Kirk talk to Columbus physician George W. Barnett Jr., who specializes in family medicine at OhioHealth Physician Group, about how the COVID-19 pandemic affected healthcare in the Black community. Dr. Barnett says COVID exacerbated existing health disparities. With so many people unable to see a primary care doctor during…
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Podcast hosts Dr. Terrance Dean and Scot Kirk speak with Dr. James Moore III, vice provost for diversity and inclusion at Ohio State University, about the impact of COVID-19 on Black college students living on campus. Moore talks about his work at the Bell National Resource Center for the African American Male and its mission to mitigate some of th…
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In this episode of the "In Black and White" podcast, hosts Dr. Terrance Dean and Scot Kirk talk to Dr. Donna Ford, distinguished professor in the College of Education and Human Ecology at Ohio State University, about school programs designed for gifted students and why many children of color are missing out. Ford said too often Black and Brown stud…
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A major change is coming to how Columbus chooses its City Council members. Two years from now, nine districts will be created, each represented by a council member, with winners for all of the districts chosen in a citywide vote. Candidates must live in the district they wish to represent. To explain the change, In Black and White podcast host Scot…
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In Black and White podcast hosts Dr. Terrance Dean and Scot Kirk talk to Columbus artist Queen Brooks about her most recent works, which were inspired by the pandemic and by the current social and political turmoil in the United States. Brooks — whose works comprise drawings, paintings, print making and mixed media — said she wants to create pieces…
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Dr. Terrance Dean and "The Other Side" podcast host, Scot Kirk, speak with Columbus City Council Woman, Shayla Favor, about the City of Columbus' eviction assistance program, which is part of the city's stable housing initiative. The Council Woman talks about some of the specifics of the program, such as how to qualify and what resources are availa…
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Several high-profile incidents of racism have recently occurred in soccer worldwide. The Other Side host Scot Kirk talks to sports writer and author Edward Akinyemi about what's fueling the racism, and why Black soccer players so often find themselves the object of hate and abuse. Racist abuse comes from fans in the stands, other players on the pit…
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This week marks the one-year anniversary of the killing of a George Floyd, a Black man, by a white Minneapolis police offer who knelt with his knee on Floyd's neck. The video shot by a bystander sparked worldwide outrage. Tens of thousands of Americans took to the streets to protest racial injustice, and a national awakening spurred a top-to-bottom…
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Dr. Terrance Dean leads a discussion with three Black scholars and intellectuals regarding the shooting of Ma'Khia Bryant, a teenage girl shot and killed by a Columbus police officer. Dr. Karen Powell Sears, Dr. Drexler James and Marcelius Braxton share their opinions on what the case means for young Black women around the country. Braxton, an assi…
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Dr. Terrance Dean and "The Other Side" podcast host, Scot Kirk, discuss with Erik Farley, Senior Vice President of Equity and Inclusion for the YMCA of Central Ohio, the importance of getting residents from different communities and cultures to talk to each other. Farley says having a dialogue creates opportunities to build trust, and from that tru…
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"The Other Side" podcast host, Scot Kirk, and Dr. Terrance Dean speak with Densil Porteous, executive director of Stonewall Columbus and CEO of the venture capital fund Pride Fund 1. Porteous has written an opinion column in The Dispatch on the lack of diversity in business leadership. As a Black queer man in the business world, Porteous says he ne…
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Worthington Board of Education member Sam Shim — the first Asian-American elected to political office in central Ohio — tells The Other Side he is personally afraid and often looks over his shoulder after recent attacks in the U.S. against Asian-Americans. Some of the blame for this violence must be borne by political figures, Shim says, who sought…
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The disruptions to schooling caused by the coronavirus pandemic made 2020 an especially difficult year for children and their parents. But what's it been like for the teachers? The Other Side talked to East Linden elementary kindergarten teacher Deborah Staples about her experiences as an educator during the COVID-19 outbreak. Staples says it was h…
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Dr. Terrance Dean and "The Other Side" podcast host, Scot Kirk, speak with Erin Upchurch, executive director of ​Kaleidoscope Youth Center, and Karen Hewitt, the center's deputy director. Together the two authored a op-ed column for The Dispatch on the racism and discrimination faced by Black queer and trans young people. Black queer youths experie…
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Dr. Terrance Dean and "The Other Side" podcast host, Scot Kirk, talk to Kyle Strickland, senior legal analyst at Ohio State's Kirwan Institute for the Study of Race & Ethnicity about his Dispatch op-ed column on confronting systems of power. Strickland says we're living in an accountability moment. With the racial justice protests in 2020 and the f…
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Ohio State economics professor Trevon Logan joins Dr. Terrance Dean and "The Other Side" podcast host Scot Kirk to talk about Logan's recent column in The Dispatch on how policies enacted decades ago to keep neighborhoods segregated still affect cities today. Logan explains how decisions on where to build highways, zoning for new housing developmen…
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Dr. Terrance Dean and "The Other Side" podcast host, Scot Kirk, ask Antioch College history professor Kevin McGruder what an antiracist is and how all Ohioans can strive to be antiracist. McGruder mentions five ways we can support antiracist policies. McGruder also explains the history behind racist policies in Ohio, and how obtaining racial equali…
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Marcelius Braxton talks to Scot Kirk — host of "The Other Side" podcast — and to Dr. Terrance Dean about Braxton's recent Columbus Dispatch op-ed column about Blacks being percieved as dangerous without cause. Braxton, assistant dean of students at Capital University Law School, says the erroneous perception that Black people are dangerous is the s…
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Dr. Terrance Dean and "The Other Side" podcast host, Scot Kirk, talk to Dr. Karen Powell Sears about her recent Dispatch op-ed column on systemic racism and white privilege. The Denison University sociology professor explains the history behind racist practices in the real estate and banking industries that were implemented to restrict Black home o…
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In part 2 of The Other Side’s interview with former Columbus Mayor Michael Coleman, he talks about why he opposes calls to defund police departments, and why he remains optimistic about the country’s future despite recent tumultuous times. Coleman reminisces about seeing Dr. Martin Luther King in person, at a rally in Toledo when Coleman was growin…
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The Other Side asks former Columbus Mayor Michael B. Coleman his take on the protests in the city sparked by the death of George Floyd, and how Columbus police and city officials reacted. Coleman says police reform is needed, and change also needs to be embraced within the Columbus Division of Police as well as the police union if there is to be an…
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The Other Side returns, interviewing two young Black journalists on their experiences amid the George Floyd protests. Tanisha Thomas and Gershon Herell, who are interns this summer at The Columbus Dispatch, describe their experiences studying journalism in college, and what schools can do to be more inclusive to students of color. They also speak c…
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The Other Side talks criminal justice reform with Columbus City Attorney Zach Klein. Klein explains why he decided to implement bail reform, is no longer prosecuting misdemeanor marijuana cases and why he instituted a diversion program. He also responds to a claim made by the Ohio Attorney General that Klein has created an “island of lawlessness” i…
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Pranav Jani, an English professor at Ohio State, talks about his role in the protest, which led to the arrests of two Columbus Freedom Coalition members at January’s Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Birthday Breakfast. Jani explains why being disruptive is what protests are all about, and how, in his view, King himself would have opposed their arrests.…
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In the final part of our interview with Columbus Board of Education member James Ragland, we debate whether tax abatements encourage gentrification and harm those families with kids in the Columbus City Schools. Ragland also shares his opinion on whether teachers should be armed, and he drops hints about future political plans. Part 1: School board…
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In part 1 of a two-part series, James Ragland updates The Other Side guys on his priorities since joining the Columbus Board of Education a year ago. Ragland says the district has a problem with excessive teacher absences, and he’s unhappy that the district often hires contractors from the suburbs instead of companies based in Columbus. >> Part 2: …
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Rod Blough talks about how his life has changed since being diagnosed with Alzheimer’s disease. He talks about what scares him the most as he copes with the disease, and how patients in the early stage of Alzheimer’s can prepare themselves for what's to come. We also hear from Tricia Bingham and Vince McGrail from the Central Ohio Chapter of the Al…
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Dr. Emily Krichbaum, founder of the nonprofit ‘Remember the Ladies’ organization, talks about the curriculum she’s developed to help school districts increase and improve the teaching of women’s history. Krichbaum believes young girls, and boys, need to learn about the influential roles women have played throughout American history. She also gives …
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What is “implicit bias”? Dr. Quinn Capers of The Ohio State University talks about how biases can can affect the quality of healthcare you receive. Dr. Capers explains why testing for biases in healthcare is essential and why having implicit biases doesn’t mean you are a “bad person.” He even goes over the results of Lucas and Scot’s own implicit b…
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Horsed Noor, director of Abubakar Assidiq Islamic Center, talks to The Other Side about the chilling effects on the Somali-American community of the anti-immigrant sentiment stoked by President Trump. Noor discusses how the charged atmosphere is changing the way Somali families go about their lives, and he reveals what he says to his own children a…
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The Reverend Frederick LaMarr, pastor of Family Missionary Baptist Church, talks about why it was important to arrange a meeting between a Columbus police officer and the man whom the officer punched, a punch that was captured on video. LaMarr, who holds traditional views about marriage and family, also discusses whether a gay presidential candidat…
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Karim Ali, an African American LGBTQ law partner at Porter Wright Morris & Arthur, sits down with the Other Side to give his perspective on being black and gay in the legal field. Ali also talks about why law firms often have difficulties finding minority job candidates, and he discusses whether blacks who work in white-dominated offices are tokens…
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Franklin County Prosecutor Ron O’Brien talks to The Other Side to answer criticism that his office is biased in favor of police officers when allegations of police misconduct are raised. O’Brien also talks about drug sentencing reform and steps he has taken to improve the relationship between the prosecutor’s office and the black community.…
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Former NFL star and black conservative Burgess Owens talks to the Other Side guys about why he vehemently rejects the premise of reparations for African-Americans and why he believes that it is the Democratic party that should pay reparations if anyone has to, because of their treatment of blacks in America. Owens also talks about how reparations p…
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Humanists put their faith in human beings rather than a god, in this episode of The Other Side, we learn about humanism and what humanists believe. Nathan B. Weller and Ben Iten from the Humanist Community of Central Ohio discuss the humanist view of what happens to us when we die, and they explain the difference between humanism and atheism. They …
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National dollar-store chains have proliferated in recent years, and so has controversy about whether the stores really benefit the neighborhoods where they are located. John Sherman Lathram III, vice-chairman of the North Linden Area Commission in Columbus, and Erica Thompson, assistant editor at Columbus Alive magazine, sit down with the Other Sid…
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Jordan Johnson, a senior at Pickerington North High School, talks to the Other Side about a controversial Black History Month program organized by her and other students. Johnson says she was bewildered and saddened by the response of some parents, who accused the history program of criticizing police because it dealt with officer-involved shooting…
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Private investigator Cerise Allen joins the conversation via phone while on live surveillance, and attorney Sean Walton visits the studio to talk about the lives of two well-known Columbus activists who recently died. Rubén Castilla Herrera —who appeared on the The Other Side in 2018 to talk about sanctuary cities and the plight of undocumented imm…
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Alana Jochum, Executive Director of Equality Ohio, tells The Other Side how having only a patchwork of local communities that prohibit discrimination means Ohio’s LGBTQ community face having their civil rights in jeopardy on their daily commute to work or school. Jochum is pushing for the passage of the Ohio Fairness Act, which would add sexual ori…
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Dawn Dickson, Columbus native and founder and CEO of 'PopCom' and 'Flat Out of Heels' shoes, sits down with The Other Side to talk about how she got her start in tech, her inspiration for a shoe vending machine, and how that has led to her owning multiple businesses and pursuing ambitious goals. Dickson also talks about women of color in the tech i…
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In part two of our interview with former Franklin County Auditor and Republican Clarence Mingo, he gives his take on Virginia's governor wearing blackface and why racism is not limited to Republican party. Mingo also says blacks should demand more from both political parties and that Republicans need to do more to court black voters. Finally, we ta…
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Politicians aren’t usually so candid about sensitive issues, but former Franklin County Auditor Clarence Mingo doesn’t mind opening himself up to The Other Side. Mingo talks about the open racism and hostility he faced growing up and the health issues he attributes to his military service in the Gulf War. He also talks about his thoughts on being l…
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