The Refuse Fascism podcast is an independent and all-volunteer show that produces weekly episodes that expose, analyze, and oppose the very real danger and threat of fascism coming to power in the United States. Hosted by Sam Goldman, produced by volunteers with Refuse Fascism.
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Freedom Over Fascism is hosted by Dr. Stephanie Gerber Wilson. She talks with people who are working to win the information war that's part of the fight for freedom and power. She also explores talking about politics without talking about politics. The podcast was founded January 2023 and is now part of the Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what's broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it.
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Who are The Best People? They’re the most magnetic and engaging people in the room; the ones who know how to get that extra something out of every collaboration, connection, and endeavor. These people are the best at what they do and know how to bring out the best in others. Now, in an era of social and political upheaval, The Best People share lessons that we can all use. Listen as Nicolle Wallace seeks varied perspectives on how to keep reaching for truth, decency, and connection.
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All Out for July 4 to Declare Independence from Trump Fascism
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17:34On the heels of the major SCOTUS ruling that Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson calls “an existential threat to the rule of law,” we are busy mobilizing for a week of protest in DC culminating in a march on the White House demanding Trump Must Go Now: Meet Friday July 4 at 2pm at Logan Circle Sunsara Taylor recaps and analyzes the stakes of this ruling,…
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Glennon Doyle & Abby Wambach: Brokenhearted but Showing Up Anyway
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1:01:47The names Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach speak for themselves. Glennon, a bestselling author, activist, and podcaster. Abby, an American soccer legend and World Cup champion. Together, the married couple is a force for good. In this episode, they join Nicolle to talk about how putting our bodies into uncomfortable places is the antidote to the dehu…
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Deconstructing the Manosphere with the MeidasTouch Brothers
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52:47The real-life brothers behind the MeidasTouch digital media empire say building a resistance during Trump 2.0 is not that complicated: let your moral compass guide your actions. Anything else is just “weird”. (Paging Donald Trump). Ben, Jordy and Brett Meiselas join Nicolle in this episode to share their outlook on how to keep our democracy thrivin…
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From War on Iran to Trans Bans: Trump's Escalating War on Us All
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1:12:04Sam discusses some of the ways the Trump regime has tightened its fascist grip this past week, including through their unprovoked and criminal war on Iran, and calls on people to join in declaring independence from Trump's fascist America with four days of nonviolent struggle July 1-4 in DC culminating on July 4 with the biggest chant heard around …
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Doc Rivers Refuses to Shut Up and Dribble
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53:26Something about Nicolle: if she wasn’t a full-time anchor and part-time podcaster, her dream job would be to work anywhere near the NBA. So as the best teams in the league are battling it out in the NBA Finals, she welcomes Doc Rivers, NBA Champion head coach of the Milwaukee Bucks, to talk Trump, politics, and professional basketball. Doc does not…
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The Fascist Military Spectacle, Genocidal Ideology + The Movement We Need
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1:02:44Sam talks with Judith Levine about the significance and symbolism of the fascist military parade on June 14 against the backdrop of what she calls a new phase for the regime: from soft authoritarianism to the government’s war against the people. Follow "Today In Fascism" at judithlevine.substack.com and read these articles: We’re minimizing the hor…
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Kara Swisher on Musk & the “Megalomaniacs” in Charge
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58:29Kara Swisher is a boss. As a journalist, entrepreneur, and longtime podcast host, she understands the intersection between tech and media, wealth and power like no one else. Kara joins Nicolle in this episode to talk about the art and intimacy of podcasting, the carnival barker Trump has always been and why she takes no guff from tech titans like E…
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Raids, resistance, and believing what’s in front of our eyes
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1:05:21This week Sam discusses the cruel militarized ICE raids sweeping Blue cities kidnapping thousands of immigrants, the righteous resistance to them and the violent repression protesters are being met with. She interviews David N Smith sociology professor at the University of Kansas to discuss the relationship between Trump and his base. Then we share…
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85. Michelle Ciccolo, MA State Representative on what Blue States can do to protect their freedoms.
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57:02In this conversation, Massachusetts State Representative Michelle Ciccolo discusses what Massachusetts, a Blue state, is doing to protect its residents, the catastrophic effect of the regime's attack on higher education, and the myriad ways tariffs impact small businesses, like plumbers. We discuss her experiences in the legislature, focusing on co…
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84. Stephanie talks to Ben Rhodes on Democracy, Authoritarianism, and Global Trends
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1:02:55Ben Rhodes on Democracy, Authoritarianism, and Global Trends In this episode of Freedom Over Fascism, host Stephanie Wilson and guest co-interviewer Kami Kovan engage in a comprehensive discussion with Ben Rhodes, former aide to Barack Obama, on the state of democracy and global politics. Rhodes shares insights from his experience and books, highli…
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Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
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57:00On the second episode of “The Best People with Nicolle Wallace,” Nicolle’s “phone-a-friend" Rachel Maddow reflects on the weird reality of this moment: after tumbling over the edge of the cliff of Trumpism, how do Americans navigate the canyon below? They muse about “shirtless” Vladimir Putin’s embarrassing relationship with President Trump, why Am…
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Welcome to “The Best People with Nicolle Wallace.” Each week, Nicolle sits down with someone she admires for conversations that are illuminating, inspiring, and sometimes surprising. This first episode begins with Jason Bateman copping to how much he’d love to be behind the steady camon Nicolle’s “Deadline: White House” set. From there they discuss…
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June 14: Trump’s Military Parade Must Be Opposed
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42:06Call to act: JUNE 14:TRUMP'S MILITARY PARADE MUST BE OPPOSED! DEMONSTRATE in Washington, D.C and nationwide This episode includes excerpts from The RNL (Revolution Nothing Less) Show. To hear the full episode this was taken from, visit YouTube. Mentioned in this episode: Beware: We Are Entering a New Phase of the Trump Era by M Gessen Trump adminis…
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Introducing “The Best People with Nicolle Wallace”
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2:11On her new podcast, “The Best People,” Nicolle Wallace sits down with the smartest, funniest, wisest people she knows. These are the people who are the best at what they do and use their success to help others. Hear from some of the biggest names in media, sports, and entertainment; people such as Jason Bateman, Rachel Maddow, Sarah Jessica Parker,…
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“We Are Responsible for Each Other” — Building Solidarity to Defeat Fascism Together
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1:12:47We share clips from speeches at protests Refuse Fascism organized around the country this past week demanding Trump Must Go NOW! Then, Sam talks with Carlos Álvarez Aranyos, founder of AmericanOpposition.org, a non-profit, non-connected political action committee created to counter the rise of fascism in the United States of America. For more foot…
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Jason Sattler, LOLGOP, author of The Farce on opposing fascism with anger and hope
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46:24In this episode of 'Freedom Over Fascism,' recorded live on Monday, May 12, 2025, host Stephanie Wilson speaks with Jason Sattler, also known as LOLGOP. They discuss the interplay of hope and anger in activism, the importance of informed action, and the challenges and strategies of fighting fascism in America. The conversation delves into the signi…
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Intent and Atrocity: Dr. Raz Segal on Gaza, Genocide and the Machinery of Fascism
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58:59Sam provides updates on the Trump regime discussing ending the foundational right to Habeas Corpus, plus the ominous arrest of Newark, NJ Mayor Ras Baraka, and the expanding and intensifying cruelty of Trump’s ICE agents. Then, she talks with Dr. Raz Segal, Program Director, Master of Arts in Holocaust and Genocide Studies & Associate Professor of …
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Refuse, Resist, Ridicule: Anne-christine d'Adesky on using humor to fight fascism (Substack Live)
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50:33In this inaugural live episode of 'Freedom Over Fascism,' host Stephanie Wilson engages in a deep conversation with writer, journalist, and longtime activist Anne-christine d'Adesky. They delve into the critical role humor can play in resistance and opposition to authoritarian regimes. Anne-christine shares anecdotes and effective strategies for no…
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Aviv Russ: Inspiring people to imagine a better future and make it so without talking about politics
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34:58Aviv Russ joins Stephanie on Freedom Over Fascism to discuss the intersection of narrative, strategy, and culture. They delve into widening our perspective in a world fraught with instability, finding joy and creativity in the midst of chaos, and the importance of imagining a future where everyone thrives. Touching upon themes like resilience, the …
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The Danger Is Real. So Is Our Power to Stop It.
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51:51This week we’re sharing some excerpts of remarks from Andy Zee and Sam Goldman from the regional assemblies last week along with Coco Das speaking in Houston on May 1. Salute to everyone across the country in the streets on May 1! Thursday May 15: PROTEST at the US SUPREME COURT Washington DC 9:00 AM HANDS OFF BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP! In the Name of…
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80. Laura Brill, CEO Civics Center. Get 'em young. Keep 'em voting.
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47:07Stephanie speaks with Laura W. Brill, CEO of the Civics Center, which wants every high school to provide voter reg and pre-reg for our newest voters.Four million high schoolers graduate every year, and Laura Brill is on a mission to make sure they’re all registered to vote. Because when young people register, they vote at about 75%. In every genera…
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Academics Speak out Against Fascism
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1:14:54Visit RefuseFascism.org for additional resources and links relevant to this episode. It was great to see many listeners of the pod in the streets last week, including in Washington DC where the demand Trump Must Go NOW was brought to the gates of the White House. The fascist Trump regime has universities in their sights and are moving against stude…
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We’re In It Now: Trump Defies the Courts, Targets Us All
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1:02:32Shout out to everyone in the streets yesterday saying Trump Must Go NOW! After a short recap from Sam of the terrifying events of the past week (Trump is directly flaunting the Supreme Court ruling that Kilmar Abrego Garcia must be brought home, and threatening to send “homegrown” people to the torture prison / death camp in El Salvador that he’s b…
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79. Kevin M. Levin: Memory, Forgetting, Obscuring: Book Banning to the Erasure of History
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38:24Stephanie talks to Kevin M. Levin, public historian and writer of the substack Civil War Memory about the book ban at the Naval Academy at Annapolis, the scrubbing of websites and museums in the national parks, and the importance of how we tell the story of the past. The way we talk about the past gives us a picture into what we believe in the pres…
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This week Sam discusses: deporting students for their ideas, Trump locking away hundreds in a torture prison in El Salvador, SCOTUS rubber-stamping use of Alien Enemies Act to deport Venezuelans, installing concentration camps along the U.S/Mexico border; you know, fascism. Then she interviews artists who are using their talents in the fight agains…
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78. Antonia Scatton, Messaging Expert and Author of Reframing America
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46:35Stephanie talks to Antonia Scatton, author of the podcast Reframing America and protege of George Lakoff who talks about making sure our messaging is on our terms, in our language. She says, "Fact-checking and debunking myths almost always spreads the disinformation we are trying to defeat. They trick us into delivering their messages beyond their …
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77. Conversation with Walter Rhein on Taking Action for Freedom and Building Community
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41:08Stephanie speaks with Walter Rhein of I’d Rather be Writing about building community in person and throughout the country to fight against the fascism this regime is implementing day by day (hour by hour). As we spoke, Cory Booker was in the middle of his 25+ hour speech in the Senate, understanding that he’s catching up to us in the grassroots, an…
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All Out For April 5: Silence = Collaboration
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1:33:24Listen to reports and excerpts from the protests demanding the release of Mahmoud Khalil and against the the broader fascist repression of the student movement to free Palestine. Sam and Mark discuss the moment we're in and the critical need to mobilize intensely for the upcoming protest on April 5 in DC (with additional gatherings in cities around…
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76. OOPS....Actually Standard Operating Procedure (audio of article)
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6:27Stephanie provides the audio version of her Substack newsletter : "It wasn't a mistake: it was SOP, and ooops, included a reporter by accident."By Stephanie Wilson
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How Young Men are Recruited into Fascism - And How to Stop It With Craig Johnson
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55:23Sam discusses how the Trump regime is taking the attacks on the rule of a law to a whole new level and the alarming leaps towards fascist consolidation from this past week, emphasizing the urgent need for mass resistance to defeat Trump/MAGA fascism. Then she interviews Craig Johnson, author of How to Talk to Your Son About Fascism and host of the …
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Mahmoud Khalil Must Be Freed - Trump Must Go
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47:03Sam and Coco talk about the ominous significance of the kidnapping, ICE detention and plans for deportation of Columbia graduate and activist Mahmoud Khalil (not to mention, green card holder married to a US citizen) and the need to quickly and dramatically step up resistance to the whole Trump MAGA fascist program. "NOW IS THE TIME WHEN WE MUST RI…
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75. Andra Watkins interviews Stephanie: "Talking About Politics Without Talking About Politics."
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35:57Andra Watkins, author of the Substack "For Such a Time as This," interviewed Stephanie on talking about politics without politics. They discussed focusing on values...in our conversations, in our connections, and in our entertainment. This has been lightly edited for clarity and brevity. You can find the video and transcript at www.freedomoverfasci…
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Decorum Vs. Determined Resistance with A.R. Moxon
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52:46Sam recaps this past week including Trump's fascist address to Congress, the regime's progress towards their goals and the protests demanding Trump, Musk and the fascist regime's removal around the country. Then, she talks to author and essayist A.R. Moxon (author of Very Fine People and The Revisionaries). Follow his work at www.armoxon.com and su…
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74. Craig Johnson. How to Talk to Your Son About Fascism
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52:22Stephanie talks to Dr. Craig Johnson, author of the brand new book How to Talk to Your Son About Fascism published by Routledge press. We talk about how easily young men can fall down the internet rabbit hole into fascism, how they're targeted, how to see the signs of this radicalization, and how you can talk with them empathetically if you catch i…
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Stop the War on Women and LGBTQ People
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1:01:54Mark recaps the latest from the fascist shitstorm... then we share highlights from the live forum this week featuring Sunsara Taylor, Debra Sweet and your questions leading into this week of protests. Watch Sunsara Taylor on The RNL - Revolution Nothing Less - Show every week on Youtube. Mentioned in the episode: Protest Trump Tuesday March 4 outsi…
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Purges in the Military and Growing Resistance in the Streets
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1:10:40In this episode Sam shares clips from voices of conscience who've spoken up this past week before joining Mark to dissect and analyze the state of the fascist ascent one month in. Topics include CPAC, growing protests, and major moves of the regime this week: their military purge, the terror they're unleashing against immigrants, their expanding cu…
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Unprecedented: Sasha Abramsky & Thomas Zimmer on the Crisis We Face
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1:21:38Sam shares an excerpt from Refuse Fascism's Virtual Forum "Only The People Can Defeat Fascism" featuring commentary from Paul Street and Sunsara Taylor. You can view the entire forum here. She then interviews Sasha Abramsky, author of Chaos Comes Calling and Western Correspondent for The Nation. In this conversation, Sasha discusses the rapid ascen…
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Singing with the Chorus: Josh Cook on Creating a More Effective Info Ecosystem
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50:42In this conversation, Josh Cook discusses the current landscape of the information war, focusing on the challenges faced by left-leaning influencers and creators. He introduces Chorus, an initiative aimed at providing support and resources to these creators, emphasizing the need for a centralized approach to help them navigate the fragmented media …
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Sam shares the call from Refuse Fascism to take the streets on Presidents Day (Monday, February 17) and shares some of the developments that marked week 3 of Trump 2.0. She interviews Daniel Hunter, author ofWhat If Trump Wins? and founder of Choose Democracy. They discuss resistance to stop Trump and how we overcome fear and uncertainty. Find out …
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72. Tara McGowan, publisher of Courier Newsroom on Truthful Media
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44:52Stephanie talks with Tara McGowan, publisher of Courier Media on creating a values-based media ecosystem that works and works together. You can find a robust list of media and creators at the Freedom Over Fascism site here.By Stephanie Wilson
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The First Two Weeks: Fascism is a Package Deal
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43:57Sam recaps and analyzes the onslaught of fascist orders and actions as of this morning, February 2, 2025. Then we share snippets from the Patron-only call earlier this week discussing the fascists' agenda and progress towards implementing it including their primary targets (trans people and immigrants) plus their plans for radically changing the US…
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Week One of Trump Regime 2.0 with Chrissy Stroop
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1:12:53One week in, Sam talks with Chrissy Stroop, Senior Correspondent for Religion Dispatches, and co-founder of The Fly Trap. Subscribe to Chrissy's Substack: https://www.bugbeardispatch.com/. Wednesday, Jan. 29 at 8PM ET / 5PM PT, join us for a Patron-only Zoom discussion with historian Paul Street & host of the pod Sam Goldman, to discuss Trump's fir…
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Sheriffs As Trump’s Shock Troops w/ Jessica Pishko
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59:59Sam comments on the eve of Trump's inauguration and shares highlights from our virtual forum "Offense and Defense: How to Defeat Trump/MAGA Fascism & Defend Those Under Attack." Catch the full program here. Then, Sam interviews Jessica Pishko, journalist, lawyer, and author of The Highest Law in the Land: How the Unchecked Power of Sheriffs Threate…
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The Most Dangerous Anti-Immigrant Bill Yet + An Announcement
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10:21Sam recaps the far-reaching and ominous effects of the "Laken Riley" (anti-immigrant) Act on the eve of Trump's return to power. Sign up for the virtual forum on January 15 5pm PT/7pm CT/8pm ET: https://bit.ly/4014smc Offense and Defense: How To Defeat Trump/MAGA Fascism & Defend Those Under Attack On January 20, Trump will re-take the reins of pow…
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Resistance on Hold: The Crisis of Inaction in Perilous Times
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1:01:56Sam comments on the fourth anniversary of the January 6th coup attempt. Then, she chats with co-producer of the pod, Mark Tinkleman, exploring questions we've received. In this conversation, Sam and Mark discuss the current political landscape in the U.S., focusing on the lack of visible resistance against the rising fascism represented by Trump/Re…
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We find our power together, not by finding a way to get by or accommodate to the new horrific normal, but together paving a path for mass nonviolent noncooperation, mass nonviolent disobedience. Prepare for the fight ahead in 2025 with some guests from this past year including: Zoltán Grossman Lee McIntyre Sasha Abramsky Jefferson Cowie Ece Temelku…
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How Trump’s Leveraging “Unitary Executive” Theory to Harness Supreme Power
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39:44Sam discusses "The Great Capitulation" and the need for us to come together now to defeat Trump/MAGA fascism through collective action. Then she interviews veteran legal scholar, activist and political analyst, Marjorie Cohn, to discuss the implications of the "unitary executive" theory with Trump returning to power next month. They explore how thi…
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Gender Liberation, Radical Defiance & The Power of Street Art
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1:27:44Sam recaps some of the fascist developments from this past week and interviews author and activist, Raquel Willis, co-founder of The Gender Liberation Movement (@genderlib). Raquel discusses the current anti-trans landscape, focusing on the implications of the U.S. v. Skrmetti case and the broader cultural backlash against trans rights. Willis high…
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Refusing Trump’s Orders: Military Resistance to Mass Deportation
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59:12Central to Trump's fascist agenda is his pledge to carry out the largest mass deportation effort in the nation's history. Trump has affirmed that efforts will involve a national emergency declaration and the military. To discuss this topic Sam interviews Brittany Ramos DeBarros, an army veteran and Organizer Director of About Face: Veterans Against…
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"Day One" Dictator & Trump's Monstrous Mass Deportation Plans
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1:14:16Sam gives an update on Trump's new appointments to his Revengers cabinet and their implications, shouts out Evan Greer's disruption of anti-trans bigot Rep. Nancy Mace, and underscores the qualitative changes in governance that fascism represents and calls for collective action against MAGA fascism NOW not waiting until atrocities are underway. Sam…
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