Who’s a wounded healer? It’s any one of us who works in a caring profession and is bravely doing their own work, while helping others. My goal is to share the parallel journey we as healers walk along with our clients and how we attend to our own humanity while caring for others. My podcast is about conversations and community building, what we can learn from each other, and how we can help heal each other. We’re cultivating a space where we celebrate vulnerability, authenticity and “showing ...
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289 - Tamila Gresham, Part 1 - Therapy is Political: Learning the Actions to Go With the Activation
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27:00Some advice for therapists and those in adjacent healing professions: This (gestures wildly at everything) is not the time to close ranks. We’re being called to proceed with less ego and more accountability. Lately, however, anger (much of it warranted) and impatience have turned accountability into more of a cudgel than the intended call-in. Tamil…
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Group Practice (R)evolution: The Ideals of Therapy vs the Limitations of Capitalism with Jeff Levy
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39:55How can we learn from past experiences to improve future practices? You may not know this but LGBTQ-focused group practices are a fairly recent development in our field. Jeff Levy recounts his journey from co-founding Live Oak, in Chicago, to his current solo private practice with a focus on virtual therapy and consultations. He and Sarah discuss t…
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288 - David Allen, Part 2 - The Beautiful Process of Really Hearing What People Want
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33:03David Allen is quietly and thoroughly advancing the notion of masculinity into a new era. He’s a tattoo artist working with post-mastectomy clients in Chicago. David is also a father who, despite his childhood wounds, has devoted himself to raising emotionally intelligent kids. It’s a path informed by his work with cancer patients, his ancestral li…
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287 - David Allen, Part 1 - A Tattoo Artist Holding Space for Healing and Renewal
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28:43Look for the helpers. It’s a simple axiom meant to comfort small children, a reminder to find supportive adults in times of distress. But good advice doesn’t stop being good just because we’ve aged out of the original target audience. Adults need helpers, too. David Allen is an absolute gem of a helper, an art director turned tattoo artist who work…
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286 - Steve Duke, Part 2 - Reimagining the Future of Therapy and Human Connection Beyond AI
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28:38Ready to dive into artificial intelligence in the therapy space?! Steve Duke, founder of The Hemingway Group, is back for part two of our conversation. Steve helps us think more purposefully about how we can AI-proof the relational component of therapy while acknowledging that the tech may make other aspects of the job easier, like note-taking. GUE…
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285 - Steve Duke, Part 1 - The Dilemma of Venture Capital and Tech Platforms vs Quality of Care in the Therapy Field
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25:00How are y’all doing while the United States (specifically) plummets into political, social, and economic freefall? Therapists are freaking tf out right with good reason. We're at a tipping point in the evolution of our field, especially when it comes to the rapid ascendancy of venture capital, consolidation, and technology––those AI chatbots lurkin…
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284 - Heather Lovegood, Part 2 - Tap Into the Healing Wisdom of Body and Spirit
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26:53“I thought I knew what this conversation might be like. I had all my worries, concerns, and anticipations of what might be brought up––and it didn't go that way,” laughs Heather Lovegood. Intrigued?? Check out part one, and then come back here for the conclusion of my conversation with Heather, a holistic bodyworker and lymphatic drainage expert wh…
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283 - Heather Lovegood, Part 1 - Surrender in the Face of Fear of the Unknown
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27:17I’m a firm believer in the connectedness of everything. Healing happens at the intersection of spirituality, science, and Indigenous wisdom. Sure, each principle can (and has!) exist in its own sphere, but the true magic is in the mix. Heather Lovegood agrees. She’s a holistic bodyworker and lymphatic drainage expert who provides healing-centered, …
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Group Practice (R)evolution: Sparking Change with Magic and Mindset
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6:52How do we bridge the divide between practice owners and employees in the therapy field to create better healing environments for everyone? Discover how innovation, open communication, and shared values can transform group practices, resulting in a culture of connection. Group Practice (R)evolution is a new platform and podcast series offering insig…
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282 - Cara Chae, Part 2 - How to Balance Compassion With Boundaries in Group Practice
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27:24Leadership is lonely, y'all. It's also hella rewarding. Cara Chae, LCPC, knows this duality all too well. She's working on finding (and holding!) the balance between the two––an evolutionary pursuit that resonates with many. GUEST BIO Cara Chae, LCPC, (she/her) is a psychotherapist working in a group private practice in Chicago. Her professional in…
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281 - Cara Chae, Part 1 - Facing Doubts on the Road to Authentic Leadership
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31:04Cue the klieg lights and gift bags because THIS episode marks the seventh anniversary of Conversations With A Wounded Healer! Major thanks to everyone from the OG fans to the newbies. I couldn’t do it without you, which is the perfect segue to today’s episode. Cara Chae, LCPC, is a psychotherapist at Inner Voice Psychotherapy, a group private pract…
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280 - Ted Rau, Part 2 - Snap Out of Cynicism and Ignite a Glimmer of Hope!
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28:35If you missed Part One of my conversation with sociocracy expert Ted Rau, PhD., hit play on that episode now. You won’t be disappointed, nor will you want to miss our introduction to sociocracy, the decentralized way for organizations, workplaces, and communities to make decisions. In Part Two, Ted and I expand on how sociocracy might work in the g…
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279 - Ted Rau, Part 1 - Leading Therapy Practices to a New Future Through Collective Governance
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31:18Change may be inevitable, but it’s far from easy. That’s especially true in the therapy field. Part of my own shift is a greater focus (on this podcast and IRL) on system-wide transformation, especially in the group practice realm. How do we bridge the gap between employees and owners when both feel overworked and underpaid? Sociocracy could be the…
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278 - Judith Herman - Activism is the Antidote to Despair
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49:08In the words of my esteemed co-host, Anne Remy, “There’s a difference between an elder and a person who is older than you.” Judith Lewis Herman, MD, is wise––a psychiatrist, professor, researcher, author, and advocate who helped establish the diagnosis of PTSD back before many of us were born. In addition to her work with veterans and children, Jud…
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277 - Ki Smith - Why Curiosity is the Best Catalyst for Change
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54:59There's no denying that our systems and selves are at a crossroads. So, my fellow therapists, will we accept the universe's invitation to evolve, or will the profession regress beyond the point of no return? Ki Smith believes in the potential of the collective to transform and transcend our current fractured moment. They're a psychotherapist, coach…
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276 - Elle McAlpine - An Intimacy Coordinator Sets the Stage for Consent and Authentic Connection on Screen and in Real Life
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52:07Let’s play fill-in-the-blank: Sex is _____ . The possibilities are endless! But, my word of choice is intimate. It’s a perfect shorthand for the spectrum of desires, experiences, and, yes, traumas that inform every sexual encounter––even if the act in question is fake. As in: part of an acclaimed Hollywood film in which sex represents the main char…
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275 - Marc Mathys - Uniting the Collective Beyond Right and Wrong Despite Disagreement
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1:17:39Oh, fellow therapists, how I love you! That said, I'm super-concerned about our capacity to move through interpersonal challenges exacerbated by, among other things, a volatile election season. My question is: How do we model being with folks outside the profession––even those we disagree with––if we can't make space for complexities of thought and…
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274 - Jo Darling - How to Honor Healing as a Collaborative Act
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56:59Self-care is a basic human right. Sadly, intuitive healing practices like acupuncture are often dismissed, especially in Western society, as woo-woo or pseudoscientific time-wasters. Thank goodness for practitioners like the delightful Jo Darling in Brighton, UK! Jo is passionate about women’s health and healing, and she’s also co-host Anne Remy’s …
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273 - Deborah Ooten - How to Make Sense of These Tenuous Times Using the Enneagram and Spiral Dynamics
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59:08Discomfort doesn’t automatically denote danger. Identifying the difference and holding those nuances takes practice. Let this episode be part of the lesson plan. Deborah Ooten, PhD., is the founder/director of the Conscious Living Center, and she’s the first person to successfully merge the teachings of the Enneagram with the Spiral Dynamics evolut…
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272 - Alex Jones - A Digital Storyteller Connects With Strangers to Find the Soul of Humanity
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41:51Disclaimer: No! Anne’s conversation isn’t with that Alex Jones. Instead, it’s with Alex Jones, the creator of Humans of Brighton And Hove, an Instagram account featuring candid street photos and stories of folks in the UK’s eclectic, beloved seaside village. While Alex’s photography is stunning, the captions create a broader community of compassion…
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271 - Tiffany Konyen - Student Loan Debt is a Social Justice Issue!
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58:22If you’re one of the 43 million Americans currently living under the crushing weight of student loan debt, that’s by design, not personal failure. Under our late-stage capitalist system, the cost of a college degree has far outpaced the wages offered to pay for it. Tiffany Konyen, a Doctoral Candidate in the Anthropology and Social Change departmen…
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270 - Carolynn Bain - How a Black Independent Bookseller Celebrates Cultural Representation and Self-Care
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52:32Independent bookshops are magical places. But building that mix of quiet corners and convivial community doesn’t come without a lot of sweat equity. Indie bookshops thrive because of the booksellers behind them, real live humans who concentrate on more than just commerce. Carolynn Bain, founder, and owner of Afrori Books in Brighton, UK, is “that” …
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269 - Mark Fischler - Stepping Out of the Collective Trance of Society
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56:34With the amount of time folks invest in their news feeds, social scrolls, podcasts, and hot-takes, you’d think we’d have a better grasp on “the whole picture.” But we only operate with a partial perspective regardless of the situation or issue. This universal truth pushes many of us toward the false comfort of binary thinking. Podcast host and Prof…
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268 - Khaled ElSherbini - How a Scientist Interprets Ancient Wisdom Traditions for a Modern Audience
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1:00:25If you like your woo-woo grounded in modern scientific understanding, this convo is for you! Khaled ElSherbini, PhD, is the founder of Consciousness Academy (CA), the leading IEA-accredited Enneagram school located on the Sinai Peninsula, which is, coincidentally, a place that three of the world’s major religions (Islam, Judaism, and Christianity) …
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267 - The Burnt Out Practice Owner: How Do We Make Wonderful, Healthy Spaces for Practice Owners AND Their Staff?
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1:01:19After 18 episodes featuring conversations with burnt-out (and not burnt-out) practice owners and some of their employees, I’ve got survey responses that prove we can band together to form the practices we desperately want to participate in. But, owners, we gotta have a chat… Employees feel underpaid, undervalued, and undersupported, while a lot of …
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266 - Charlotte Sills - Love, Power, and Authenticity in the Therapeutic Relationship
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57:15There’s a universal truth that goes something like this: To get where we’re going, it’s a good idea to examine where we’ve been. I’ll add that it’s also in our best interest to chat up the elders. Charlotte Sills, MA, MSc, is a psychotherapist in private practice in the UK and also an elder with intelligence and foresight to spare, literal textbook…
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265 - The Burnt Out Practice Owner: What Do You Do When Practice Ownership Feels Out of Alignment With Your Temperament? With David Clinton
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34:27All good things must end, including this special series. But not before my chat with the delightfully analog David Clinton, a dear friend and former practice owner. After exiting his group practice just as the pandemic hit, David found his happy ending (or beginning) as a solo therapist with a limited online presence. His 20+ year career reminds us…
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264 - Reframing and Repairing Our Relationship to Power With Amanda Aguilera, The Right Use of Power Institute
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54:22As therapists, we’re famous for not doing our own work, so, of course, we shy away from acknowledging that we hold any power at all. Worse, we conflate power and cruelty, an assumption that keeps us mired in fear and inaction. But now that we’ve identified the issue, we can transform it. Dr. Amanda Aguilera is one of my favorite facilitators for th…
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263 - The Burnt Out Practice Owner: How Can You Cultivate True Inclusivity and Growth? With Gabi Granoff and Evelyn Williams, Solway Psychology
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45:27Hey, white practice owners! The secret to building a business that embodies the principles of equity, inclusivity, and anti-racism is… Actually, I’ll let my guests do the honors. Gabi Granoff, PsyD., is the co-owner of Solway Psychology, a racially diverse practice in Chicago. Evelyn Williams, LSW, is a clinician and intake manager at the practice.…
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262 - Whitney Capps - Do You Need An Executive Coach Or A Therapist?
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1:01:00Confession time: I harbor biases against folks who call themselves coaches. The profession is completely unregulated, and many (most?) coaches lack the education necessary to help clients navigate change. Anne’s conversation with longtime friend and, ahem, executive and team coach Whitney Capps challenged my prejudices as much as it corroborated my…
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261 - The Burnt Out Practice Owner: How Do You Face Financial Realities When None of Us Are Getting Paid Enough? With Casey Gromer, C-Suite Boutique
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37:52I live for the day when mental health providers can accept houseplants as payment for services rendered. Until then, money remains both the glue and the wedge of any practice owner/employee relationship. Thankfully, Casey Gromer, founder of C-Suite Boutique, can help us all navigate the sticky financial realities of small business life and feel mor…
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260 - The Burnt Out Practice Owner: How Can You Embrace Vulnerability and Successfully Transition Leadership? With Rayell Grayson, Head/Heart Therapy
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40:48Finally! A catch-up with Rayell Grayson, LCPC CADC, owner and president of Head/Heart Therapy, the practice I built, owned for a decade, and sold last year. Tea is spilled, fears are expressed, and love is freely shared. Our convo demonstrates the myriad ways owners can show up––for ourselves, our employees, and the leaders who will one day succeed…
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259 - Trace Bell Part 2 - Spiral Dynamics, Healthy Evolution, and Transcending Old Beliefs for Individuals, Organizations, and Society
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1:14:30Part II of my conversation with Trace Bell shall forever more be referred to as “The One Where We Dig Into Spiral Dynamics”. If you're new to SD, it helps to think of it as a modern language that expands our understanding of the stages of evolutionary development in individuals, organizations, or whole societies. Still confused? Don't be. SD is sim…
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258 - Trace Bell Part 1 - Examining the Beauty and Shadow of Spiritual Work Through Spiral Dynamics
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47:26The context of this rare two-part conversation is Spiral Dynamics (SD), a model that gauges the evolutionary development of individuals, societies, cultures, and organizations. Shepherding us through the details of this model is Trace Bell, an integration guide and transformational coach. Part I of our chat delves into Trace's background and the ch…
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257 - The Burnt Out Practice Owner: How Do You Build a Liberation-Focused Practice in This Flaming Capitalist Junkyard? with Jessica Eubanks-Chavira
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34:30Liberation is a two-way street, dear practice owner. Making an innovative, enlightened leap forward means going up against old ways of doing things. Unsustainable management practices! Limiting mindsets! Antiquated business models! To say nothing of capitalism, racism, or the patriarchy. Jessica Eubanks Chavira, LCSW-S, wanted to liberate herself a…
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256 - Amelia Nagoski - Sage, Scientific Advice For Minimizing The Effects Of Burnout
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49:20I know from burnout, that combination of bone-deep mental, physical, and emotional exhaustion that manifests in feelings of overwhelm, joylessness, and desperation. Sadly, you probably do, too. Anne's unexpectedly musical convo with author and choir director Amelia Nagoski, DMA, is the burnout primer we all need: the science behind it, the antidote…
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255 - The Burnt Out Practice Owner: How Can You Repair a Rift When You Feel Like You’ve Let Your Employees Down? With Jena Alfaro
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39:08Welcome to the reckoning––mine, not yours. I made dozens (hundreds?) of mistakes as a practice owner, and while I can’t take any of them back, this series is a way of paying my accountability forward. Jenna Alfaro, LCSW, CADC, is here to hold me to that promise. She’s a former employee of mine and, while our professional association didn’t end Brav…
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254 - Dr. Harry J. Aponte - Revolutionizing Therapy by Embracing Human Emotional Struggles and Life Experiences
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54:17TLDR: Elder wisdom is essential to our revolution. That’s it, that’s the episode. But my guest deserves the elaboration and accolades of a full summary––as do many of the folks who came before us in work and life. Harry J. Aponte, Ph.D., is a legend for many reasons. However, this OG coalition-builder and advocate for culturally informed care is pr…
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253 - The Burnt Out Practice Owner: Is it Really Possible to Balance Parenting and Practice Ownership? with Rachael Sytsma-Ramos
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39:02I am the mother of many things: plant babies, doggos, and multiple podcasts. I’ve also birthed several businesses and quite a few artistic endeavors. But I’m not mama to any little humans. So, when Rachael Sytsma-Ramos, Psy.D, suggested an episode focusing on the dynamics of practice ownership and parenting, I was instantly intrigued. Rachael is ma…
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252 - Al Cho - Celebrating Queer Life and Family Through the Lens of Intersectional Identities
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56:04It’s easy to forget that siblings have stories uniquely their own. They may share similar childhood memories as you, but their narratives will differ wildly. Blended families, like Anne’s, hold an added layer of complexity. How lucky for us that she and her step-sibling Al Cho, MSW, agreed to record this fascinating chat for family posterity. Their…
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251 - The Burnt Out Practice Owner: Are You Experienced…or Just Highly Educated? With Aaron Karmin
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35:56Experience matters. Whether you’re a member of a group practice or on your own, a background in different levels of mental health care ultimately supports your future professional development. Aaron Karmin, LCPC, is a 360º type of practitioner who’s worked in research departments, as an intake specialist, a telephone counselor, an experiential coun…
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250 - Celebrating Our Anne-versary! How To Be The You-est You You Can Be
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39:26It’s ANNE-versary time! A celebration of Anne Remy’s first year as co-host. OK, by any other name, it’s a clips show. But! We’re not subjecting our Wounded Healer audience to rote commentary on an endless scroll of episodes. Instead, we’ve cherry-picked the very best a-ha! moments from our favorite conversations. As a whole, they represent Anne’s p…
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249 - The Burnt Out Practice Owner: How Can a Nonprofit Collective Model Work for a Private Healing Practice? With Vilmarie Fraguada Narloch
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33:01Virtual meet-cutes are my jam. Vilmarie Fraguada Narloch, PsyD, and I bonded on IG over our shared love for collaborative music-making and the radical regeneration of the group practice blueprint. She’s the amazing co-founder of Sana Healing Collective in Chicago, a non-profit committed to individualized, client-led approaches to psychedelic-assist…
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248 - Janina Fisher - Spilling Tea Over TikTok Diagnoses, Evidence-Based Therapies, and the Ever-Evolving Nature of Trauma Therapy
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53:40It’s not every day that I get to chat with a pioneer in the trauma field, so gimme a moment to geek out over Janina Fisher, Ph.D. the esteemed psychotherapist, consultant, trainer, and author. She’s an international expert on the treatment of trauma, best known for her work on integrating mindfulness-based and somatic interventions into trauma trea…
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247 - The Burnt Out Practice Owner: How Can a Group Practice Retain Good Clinicians? With Cassandra Greenwald
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41:50Happy clinicians are vital to a thriving practice, especially since not every therapist is interested in being a sole proprietor. So, how do owners navigate the tricky mechanics of operating a business while providing meaningful group guidance without losing their sh*t? Good question. Enter Cassandra Greenwald, LCSW, CADC, of Rowan Tree Counseling,…
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246 - Neil Shyminsky - Detoxifying the Manosphere With Soft Masculinity and Research-Backed Rebuttals
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56:07Red pill-ers! Trad gender roles! Manly men, rawr! With an introduction like that, you’d be forgiven for thinking that Anne and I had joined the manosphere. No worries there. Instead, Anne has found a male ally who is making modest but meaningful inroads with cishet dudes, specifically the ones prone to tumbling down rabbit holes of toxic masculinit…
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245 - The Burnt Out Practice Owner: How Transparent Should Owners be With Their Employees? With Rowan Tree Counseling Team
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55:50I totally started this podcast on a whim––but not without a keen understanding of the pain points that group practice owners routinely encounter complain about. I’ve since realized that vital voices are missing from the conversation: group practice employees. I extended an invitation via the BOPO Chicago Facebook group. Lucky for us, Andie Baumgart…
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244 - Lori Beth Bisbey - A Realistic (and Encouraging!) Timeline for Anyone Healing From Sexual Trauma
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1:02:55For the sake of mutual safety, this episode is preceded by a content advisory regarding sexual trauma and minor-attracted persons. Please take care of yourself as you need, even if that means skipping this conversation. Your body belongs to YOU. I open with this power-stance of a statement because I didn’t get that message as a child, adolescent, o…
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243 - The Burnt Out Practice Owner: Where Do You Get Help When S— Happens at Your Private Therapy Practice? with Bianka Hardin
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37:53Who would have thought that practice ownership involved so much feces?! Now that I have your attention, lemme explain. Actually, I’ll let my guest, Bianka Hardin, PsyD, explain since it’s her story. Bianka owns Centered Therapy Chicago (CTC), a 10-year-old group practice with 20 clinicians on staff. Her hilarious (and gross) tale perfectly illustra…
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242 - Eugene Ellis - Investigating Race and the Gaze of Society in Therapy, The Race Conversation
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51:24If you’re a white therapist, you could quickly tumble down a rabbit hole trying to reconcile all the work that’s ours to do regarding power dynamics within our field. There’s a detour that we, as white folks, are rarely required to explore: our relationship to whiteness. I’ll save you some time by recommending Anne’s conversation with Eugene Ellis,…
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