Cold is a narrative podcast series focused on missing persons cases. Investigative journalist and host Dave Cawley takes on a single story with each season. Season 1: Susan Powell Case Files, the Cold journey begins with Dave’s investigation into the unsolved disappearance of Susan Powell… and the man with the most to gain from her death. Season 2: Justice for Joyce Yost delves into the details of a murder-for-hire plot and attempts to find justice for Joyce – a woman who bravely reported he ...
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New podcast from the COLD team: Eric Robinson doesn’t show up at the end of the Uinta Highline Trail. Eric’s friend reports him missing, kicking off a search-and-rescue mission. Marilyn Koolstra, meanwhile, feels powerless to help her husband from half a world away. Uinta Triangle host Dave Cawley sets off on his own solo hike, looking for clues ab…
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New podcast from the COLD team: Eric Robinson wanted to hike the world’s greatest trails. He was happiest when spending weeks in the wild, and he often went out alone. Eric’s wife, Marilyn Koolstra, supported him in this goal. But the situation changed when Eric went missing on a solo trek to the Cascade Saddle in New Zealand. This episode traces t…
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New podcast from the COLD team: Eric Robinson forges a new friendship on the John Muir Trail, while an old friendship frays under stresses of the trail. From the High Sierra to the Himalaya, Eric’s aspirations in the outdoors continue to grow. His wife, Marilyn Koolstra, accompanies Eric on some of his adventures. But a rift emerges when Eric insis…
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The Susan Powell Case Files | Beaches & Airplanes | Bonus Episode 11
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33:08Susan Cox Powell disappeared 15 years ago. The day after she turned up missing, her four-year-old son Charlie Powell spoke to a detective from the West Valley City, Utah police department. Charlie told the detective his mommy had joined him, his little brother Braden and their dad, Susan’s husband Josh Powell, on a camping trip. But Charlie also sa…
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The Susan Powell Case Files | Mystery Metal | Bonus Episode 10
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26:37Police in West Valley City, Utah found a charred clump of metal hidden in the back of Josh Powell’s minivan on the day after Susan Powell first came up missing. They suspected it was evidence, but could never identify it. Now, on the 15th anniversary of Susan’s disappearance, we reveal the likely origin of that mystery metal evidence. In this speci…
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Justice for Joyce Yost | Twice Overturned | Bonus Episode 3
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19:51The man who killed Joyce Yost wins a major victory in court, seeing his death sentence overturned for a second time. It all boils down to one line of questioning at Doug Lovell's 2015 trial. Cold host Dave Cawley attended oral arguments before the Utah Supreme Court and discusses the stunning decision with Talking COLD's Amy Donaldson. See omnystud…
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The Search For Sheree | Bonus: The Causey Search | 15
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34:53COLD discovers an odd rock pile in the mountains. It looks like a possible grave. Detectives head into the hills, believing the rock pile could hold evidence related to the disappearance of Sheree Warren. In this bonus episode of COLD season 3, you’ll join investigative journalist Dave Cawley on the mountain near Utah’s Causey Reservoir and hear ex…
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The Search For Sheree | Bonus: The Convenient Alternative | 14
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1:26:56Ten years before Sheree Warren disappeared, another young mother vanished from her workplace in the suburbs of Ogden, Utah. Nancy Perry Baird’s case shares many similarities with Sheree Warren’s. Both were young mothers, recently divorced, working to support themselves. Police in both cases theorized a serial killer might be responsible. To this da…
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The Search For Sheree | Talking Cold: Burning Questions with Dave Cawley | 13
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31:07Amy and Sheryl sit down with Cold host and investigative reporter Dave Cawley to ask him your burning questions about Cold season 3, The Search for Sheree Warren. What about the jacket Sheree was wearing? And why didn’t police look harder at the last known person to see Sheree before she disappeared? Amy and Sheryl also discuss ethical questions wi…
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The Search For Sheree | Talking Cold: When Obscene Calls Escalate | 12
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35:15If you get an unsolicited sexual call or nude picture sent to you, is that a crime? You may be surprised by the answer. One of the suspects in the disappearance of Sheree Warren in 1985 was caught making lewd phone calls to women multiple times. Do these types of crimes often escalate to other, more aggressive behaviors? Joining hosts Amy Donaldson…
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The Search for Sheree | Talking Cold: Who Owns Your Case? | 11
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39:20Who handles your case if you go missing or are murdered? Talking Cold is the after-show podcast that dives into the key issues raised in COLD. Season 3 of COLD tells the story of Sheree Warren, who disappeared from Salt Lake City, Utah in 1985. Her case remains unsolved today, partially because of police squabbles over jurisdiction. Talking Cold ho…
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The Search for Sheree | Last Man Standing | 10
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1:08:13Cary Hartmann returns to Ogden after leaving prison, only to face fresh suspicion. Charles Warren’s health declines, leaving him unable to clear up lingering questions. The Cold team pieces together the evidence to provide the most likely scenario in the unsolved cold case disappearance of Sheree Warren. Season 3 of Cold includes descriptions of ra…
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The Search for Sheree | A Picture in the Lobby | 9
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1:12:44A human skull is discovered on a hillside next to a busy Utah highway. Roy City police detective John Frawley digs into an abandoned box of Sheree Warren case files. Sheree’s ex-husband, Charles Warren, botches an opportunity to clear himself as a suspect in her disappearance. Season 3 of Cold includes descriptions of rape, sexual assault, murder a…
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The Search for Sheree | Fool Me Once | 8
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1:05:36Two pivotal recordings are revealed: Cary Hartmann's police interview about Sheree Warren and a secret interrogation of Cary’s brother, Jack Hartmann. Investigator Shane Minor looks for the missing piece he needs before he can arrest Cary. Season 3 of Cold includes descriptions of rape, sexual assault, murder and domestic violence. Please take care…
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The Search for Sheree | Purgatory | 7
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1:05:17Investigator Shane Minor heads up the mountain behind Causey Reservoir in search of Sheree Warren’s remains. Cary Hartmann begins to accept responsibility for the crimes he was convicted of, and at long last agrees to speak with police about Sheree’s disappearance. Season 3 of Cold includes descriptions of rape, sexual assault, murder and domestic …
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The Search for Sheree | Lying Liars | 6
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1:14:32A jailhouse snitch tells the FBI that Cary Hartmann killed Sheree Warren. Cary tries to convince the parole board he's innocent. Sheree’s family members hold a memorial and have her declared legally deceased. Ogden police detective Shane Minor follows up on a longshot lead in the search for Sheree. Season 3 of Cold includes descriptions of rape, se…
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The Search for Sheree | Nighthawk | 5
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1:10:39Cary Hartmann brings look-alikes to a police lineup in the Ogden City Rapist case. His TV reporter friend Larry Lewis tests the boundaries of journalistic ethics when Cary goes to trial. Police detective Jack Bell receives a letter about Sheree Warren and the TV show “Unsolved Mysteries.” Season 3 of Cold includes descriptions of rape, sexual assau…
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The Search for Sheree | The Supper Club | 4
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1:18:59An anonymous caller reports finding a body in the mountains, near Causey Reservoir. Police search, thinking they might find the remains of Sheree Warren. Ogden detectives try to link Cary Hartmann and the lingerie survey phone calls to the Ogden City Rapist, but the case isn’t as simple as it seems. New witnesses place Sheree Warren with Cary on th…
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The Search for Sheree | Cherish the Love | 3
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1:16:42A serial rapist is stalking the streets of Ogden, Utah. Police are on the hunt for both the rapist and the source of a string of lingerie survey phone calls. Cary Hartmann turns to psychics and a private investigator in his search for his missing girlfriend, Sheree Warren. Meanwhile, detective Jack Bell begins to learn one of his key suspects is ha…
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The Search for Sheree | Go Ask Alice | 2
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1:05:30The last person known to see Sheree Warren alive describes her final day. Sheree plans to meet her estranged husband Charles “Chuck” Warren after work, but neither Sheree nor Chuck make that meeting. Sheree’s car surfaces weeks later in Las Vegas, Nevada but no one can say how it got there. Police detective Jack Bell turns up the heat on Chuck Warr…
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The Search for Sheree | Everything Escalates | 1
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1:05:35It all starts with a phone call. A woman receives a late-night lingerie survey call that turns obscene. The man on the line says he wants to meet her. With the help of police, she sets a trap and captures the caller. But all he receives is a slap on the wrist. Years later, that man will meet and begin dating a young mother named Sheree Warren. Only…
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Sheree Warren left her job in Salt Lake City on an October evening in 1985. She told a coworker she was headed to meet her estranged husband, Charles Warren, at a car dealership, but she never made it. Sheree vanished. When her car mysteriously surfaced weeks later, hundreds of miles away in Las Vegas, no one could say how it got there. Season 3: T…
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Justice for Joyce Yost | Location, Location, Location | Bonus Episode 2
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59:57Breaking down the evidence in the search for the remains of Joyce Yost. Cold takes you to three locations where our investigation suggests Doug Lovell might have buried Joyce Yost on the night he killed her. They are: a concrete dump pit, a mountain cabin and a remote canyon where Doug and Rhonda Lovell were suspected of poaching. Come along as cad…
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Justice for Joyce Yost | Satanic Panic | Bonus Episode 1
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55:58Stories of satanic cults, human sacrifice and horrifying child abuse: the satanic panic that gripped the United States during the 1980s and early '90s came very close to knocking the cold case investigation into Joyce Yost's disappearance completely off the rails. This bonus episode of Cold season 2 examines the reports of satanic ritual abuse that…
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Justice for Joyce Yost | Talking Cold | Discussion of Episode 13
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38:07Doug Lovell sent a letter to a journalist, sparking her curiosity. Candice Madsen started looking into the murder of Joyce Yost as a result of Doug's letter, which ultimately led to Cold season 2. Candice joins Amy, Sheryl and Dave Cawley to talk about the lessons they've each taken from the case. Sheryl and Dave then wrap up with big moments from …
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Justice for Joyce Yost | Last Chance | 13
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1:08:19A KSL employee receives a letter after talking about suicide prevention on the radio. It's from a man living on death row, who tells the story of how a little mouse helped him endure a period of darkness and despair. But is that inmate, Doug Lovell, telling an honest story? Or is the letter an attempt to cultivate a character witness? Cold season 2…
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Justice for Joyce Yost | Talking Cold | Discussion of Episode 12
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52:04Life on death row is something we don't hear much about. Our guest is former Utah State prison warden Ken Shulsen. He worked almost every job at the prison including overseeing several high-profile executions. He was once taken hostage in a prison riot. Amy and Sheryl also talk big moments from Episode 12 and Cold host Dave Cawley responds to a voi…
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Justice for Joyce Yost | Dancing with the Devil | 12
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57:53The disappearance of Joyce Yost has had a multi-generational impact, leaving her children and grandchildren trapped in a repeating nightmare of court hearings and appeals. Following Doug Lovell's 2015 conviction for Joyce's murder, the jury faces the question of whether or not to return him to death row. Their only alternative: life with the chance…
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Justice for Joyce Yost | Talking Cold | Discussion of Episode 11
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47:48A man who defended Doug Lovell in court has a few things to say about what went down. Hosts Ann Dent and Sheryl Worsley spoke with defense attorney Mike Bouwhuis. Cold Host Dave Cawley joins the show for big moments. Talking Cold is honest and frank conversations about the issues brought forward in the latest episode of the Cold podcast. We begin w…
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Justice for Joyce Yost | Rising Star | 11
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58:56A turn to religion for Douglas Lovell as he heads toward trial, 30 long years after the crime. He finds sympathy and support among several people of faith, particularly bishops for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Just weeks before his trial is to begin, a man walking his dog spots a human skull at the base of a hill along the same …
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Justice for Joyce Yost | Talking Cold | Discussion of Episode 10
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41:18Investigators conducted five official searches for Joyce Yost's body, but came up empty. Cadaver dogs were used multiple times. Amy Donaldson and Sheryl Worsley talk with cadaver dog trainer Jayson Harames with Utah Search Dogs about the abilities and limitations of dogs in finding human remains. Talking Cold is honest and frank conversations about…
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Justice for Joyce Yost | Buyer's Remorse | 10
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1:03:55The promise of returning Joyce Yost's body has fallen through, leaving Doug Lovell with a death sentence. Joyce's children continue pressing for answers about their missing mother's final resting place, while Doug embarks on a more than decade-long series of legal appeals in the hopes of having with guilty plea withdrawn. In the middle of that effo…
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Justice for Joyce Yost | Talking Cold | Discussion of Episode 9
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50:53When a criminal defendant gets the death penalty it can feel like a life sentence to the families of the victims. Amy and Sheryl speak with Matt Hunsaker, whose mother, Maurine Hunsaker, was murdered when he was 10 years old in 1986. The ladies also speak with former capital case defense attorney Mark Moffat about the state of the death penalty in …
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Justice for Joyce Yost | High Fidelity | 9
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1:06:03The stakes are set for Doug Lovell as he heads toward trial for the murder of Joyce Yost. The capital murder charge carries a potential sentence of death. His only leverage: returning Joyce's body to her family. Doug makes a deal as the clock winds down, promising to lead police to Joyce's grave. Will he really follow through? Joyce Yost had never …
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Justice for Joyce Yost | Talking Cold | Discussion of Episode 8
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40:25What is it like to work as a detective investigating Cold cases? Amy Donaldson and Sheryl Worsley sat down with Special Agent Brian Davis of the Utah State Bureau of Investigation and member of the state's new Cold Case Unit. He discusses what it's like to investigate a murder when there is no body and the biggest, most rewarding case of his career…
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Justice for Joyce Yost | Help Me, Rhonda | 8
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59:21A reckoning comes for Doug Lovell, in the form of a capital murder charge. In a never-before-public audio recording, Sgt. Terry Carpenter confronts Doug about the murder of Joyce Yost. The walls close in and Doug turns to his confidant and co-conspirator: his ex-wife Rhonda Buttars. He doesn't realize Rhonda has obtained immunity and is working aga…
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Justice for Joyce Yost | Talking Cold | Discussion of Episode 7
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39:37A prison snitch can sometimes provide vital leads about a case, but is it always reliable information? Amy Donaldson and Ann Dent talk with former Salt Lake Police chief Chris Burbank about the pros and cons of information coming from a suspected criminal. Chris currently serves on a national level as the Vice President of law enforcement strategy …
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More than five years have passed since Joyce Yost disappeared. A judge declares her deceased in the eyes of the law, even without her body as evidence of a murder. South Ogden police Sgt. Terry Carpenter receives a surprise tip from a prison informant, who suggests Doug Lovell might have played a role not only in Joyce Yost's murder but also in the…
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Justice for Joyce Yost | Talking Cold | Discussion of Episode 6
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46:41An immunity deal becomes a major development in the disappearance of Joyce Yost. Hosts Amy Donaldson and Sheryl Worsley talk with Davis County Attorney Troy Rawlings about when it is and when it isn't a good idea to promise immunity. Doug Lovell got out of prison early thanks to the Utah Board of Pardons and Parole. The ladies also speak with forme…
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Justice for Joyce Yost | Here We Are | 6
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1:08:16A long shot lead claiming Joyce Yost had died at the hands of a satanic coven took an unexpected turn when South Ogden police Sgt. Terry Carpenter confronted Doug Lovell's ex-wife in April of 1991. Rhonda Buttars came clean to Carpenter, breaking open his investigation more than five years after Joyce's disappearance. But Rhonda did more than just …
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Justice for Joyce Yost | Talking Cold | Discussion of Episode 5
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52:30Elizabeth Smart captured the attention of the nation when she was kidnapped at knife-point from her Salt Lake City home in June of 2002. She was 14 years old. Investigators found her nine months later and arrested her kidnappers, Brian David Mitchell and his wife Wanda Barzee. Mitchell repeatedly raped Elizabeth while she was captive. In the years …
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Justice for Joyce Yost | Garden Variety | 5
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1:06:19Doug Lovell's conviction for the rape of Joyce Yost carries a heavy penalty: 15 years-to-life in prison. With Doug safely in custody, South Ogden police turn their attention on his wife, Rhonda. The investigation stalls however, leaving the newly assigned lead detective Terry Carpenter chasing a strange lead involving a claim Joyce died at the hand…
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Justice for Joyce Yost | Talking Cold | Discussion of Episodes 3 & 4
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37:33Joyce Yost went to police. She pressed charges, but it wasn't an easy process. The criminal justice system aspires to ensure justice is served while protecting the rights of the accused. But for victims, it sometimes feels as though they are not being believed. It repeats the horror of the crime over and over. Hosts Amy Donaldson and Ann Dent are j…
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Justice for Joyce Yost | She's Gone, Buddy | 4
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1:05:35Joyce Yost has disappeared. Her daughter begs South Ogden police to begin a search, but help is slow in coming. Detectives find nothing out of place in Joyce's apartment, but they miss a major clue suggesting an act of violence occurred right on Joyce's own bed. In Joyce's absence, an unexpected ally steps forward to bring her story before a jury i…
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Justice for Joyce Yost | Talking Cold | Discussion of Episode 2
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52:51Joyce Yost was followed home, threatened and raped by someone she didn't know, the rarest type of sexual assault. Despite being terrified, Joyce reluctantly reported to police. Hosts Amy Donaldson and Sheryl Worsley speak with Sonya Martinez-Ortiz, Executive Director of the Rape Recovery Center about how trauma manifests differently for different p…
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Justice for Joyce Yost | Nightmare on Top of a Nightmare | 3
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1:03:35Doug Lovell turns to some old friends in the hopes of silencing Joyce Yost before she can testify. Joyce takes the stand at a preliminary hearing and tells the story of her sexual assault. Through a series of missteps and miscommunications, Lovell repeatedly slips through the fingers of police as the case heads toward trial. Joyce Yost had never me…
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Justice for Joyce Yost | A Case of Rape | 2
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1:08:21Content advisory: This episode includes discussion of rape and sexual assault. A confrontation in the carport followed by an assault from a stranger. Joyce Yost survives a terrifying attack. Then, with some reluctance, she reports what had happened to the police. Detective Bill Holthaus interviews Joyce before heading out to find the man who'd assa…
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Justice for Joyce Yost | Talking Cold | Discussion of Episode 1
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44:50Talking Cold is honest and frank conversations about the issues brought forward in the latest episode of the Cold podcast. We begin with Cold season 2: Justice for Joyce. Join hosts Amy Donaldson, Ann Dent and Sheryl Worsley as they talk about weighty issues like sexual assault, the death penalty and failures of the criminal justice system. The goa…
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Justice for Joyce Yost | The Type that Sends Roses | 1
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1:08:30Our story begins with a barrage of bouquets, dozens of unsolicited yellow roses sent by a mysterious male admirer. We then meet a young Joyce Yost in Minnesota and follow her path to Utah. At the same time, a young man named Douglas Lovell finds himself on the wrong side of the law, landing in prison for armed robbery. Joyce Yost had never met the …
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Justice for Joyce Yost | Prelude: Corpus Delicti | 2
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7:31Josh Powell became a murder suspect when his wife Susan Powell disappeared from their home in West Valley City, Utah on December 7, 2009. Police have never located Susan's body. Prosecutors never charged Josh with a crime, in spite of a large body of circumstantial evidence. Many Cold season 1 listeners have asked "why not?" Isn't it possible to wi…
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