Best Clif And Taylor Podcasts (2025)

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074_CK and Clif McKenzie: Having The Right People Matters 48:26

2M ago48:26

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Clif and CK McKenzie come to the Swamp and talk about their generational leadership transition of Watson Furniture. They discuss their different approaches to the work, how they make decisions and how they each lead. Clif has led Watson for a great many years. He didn’t start out loving office furniture. That quickly changed. He sets the high stand…

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073_Wendy Tyner: I Am One Who Listens 44:11

3M ago44:11

44:11

Wendy Tyner visits the Swamp to share her wisdom gained from leading philanthropic organizations and building communities. She begins our conversation sharing what she learned teaching children with learning disabilities. We then discuss how she guided three not-for-profit organizations to become significant community assets that support bluegrass …

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072_Aidan McQuade: Ethical Leadership 58:46

3M ago58:46

58:46

Aidan McQuade joins me in the Swamp to discuss his book, Ethical Leadership: Moral Decision-Making Under Pressure and his model “The Cruciform of Agency.” Aidan was born in Northern Ireland and grew up during the period known as “the troubles.” He is wiser for that experience. He has dedicated his life to humanitarian work in some of the most diffi…

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071_Benjamin Taylor: Differentiation, Integration and Four Dynamics of Groups 41:59

3M ago41:59

41:59

Benjamin Taylor makes his third appearance in the Swamp and he brings some useful distinctions with him. We discuss the value and importance of understanding the positive and negative dynamics that differentiation and integration have on group dynamics and productivity. But it is not all that simple. There are at least four dynamics at play at any …

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070_Joanne Murphy & Keith Grint: The Demanding Craft of Leading 55:44

3M ago55:44

55:44

Joanne Murphy and Keith Grint come to the swamp to discuss their views on leadership and the effort required to do it well. Joanne and Keith are deeply informed on this topic of leading. Their academic background includes teaching, research and writing. We discuss the differences between command, management and leadership. All three approaches matt…

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069_Bill Sharpe: Three Horizons: The Patterns of Hope 45:27

6M ago45:27

45:27

Three Horizons: The Patterning of Hope Bill Sharpe visits the swamp and brings his Three Horizon framework for navigating the future. Bill is an independent researcher who helps people work together to create transformational change in the face of an uncertain future. Bill will explain what makes each of the three horizons distinct and necessary fo…

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068_Elvis Fraser: Advancing Social Justice and Equity through MLE 51:06

9M ago51:06

51:06

Elvis Fraser comes to the Swamp to share his commitment to helping non-profit organizations realize greater measurable results from their social impact investments through wise monitoring, learning and evaluation strategies. He and his Sanfoka Consulting team align their strategies to advance social justice and equity in all aspects of their work. …

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067_ Eva Grosman: Centre for Democracy and Peacebuilding 42:04

10M ago42:04

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Eva Grosman joins me in the swamp to share how her “life factory setting” which is based on hope and courage, has guided her in building the Centre for Democracy and Peacebuilding as well as a community of peacebuilders around the world. Listen close because Eva offers a multitude of specific, actionable moves each of us can take to lead on difficu…

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066_ Nick Ellem: The Leadership Learning Cycle 49:51

10M ago49:51

49:51

Nick Ellem comes to the Swamp to share a comprehensive exploration of Adaptive Leadership as well as his journey to teach and help people building adaptive capacity. Nick speaks directly to the reasons why many leadership development programs fall short of expectations. He then introduces his antidote: The Leadership Learning Cycle which is built o…

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065_Joanne Murphy: Leadership is about creating change 53:55

11M ago53:55

53:55

Joanne Murphy, Professor of Inclusive Leadership at Birmingham Business School comes to the swamp and discusses how we can lead inside volatile environments. She brings a lifetime of lived experience on this topic. Joanne was raised in Northern Ireland during the “troubles.” She learned first hand what is required to lead in volatile environments. …

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064_Ethan Schutz: The Human Element 57:29

1y ago57:29

57:29

Ethan Schutz, President and CEO of The Schutz Company pays a visit to the swamp and shares the history and the work that is The Human Element. Ethan takes us back to when his father, Will Schutz developed his thinking and motivation for helping people develop greater self-awareness, aliveness and candor through telling more truth. Will developed FI…

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063_Jill Hufnagel: Leading Begins With Purpose 45:52

1y ago45:52

45:52

Jill Hufnagel comes to the swamp and shares her perspective and experience helping people develop leadership capacity. Jill served as guest faculty on the Harvard Kennedy School’s Art & Practice of Adaptive Leadership program and as a senior associate with Cambridge Leadership Associates, along with running her own consultancy JHC&C. In our convers…

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062_Geoff Mead: Narrative Leadership 57:56

1y ago57:56

57:56

Geoff Mead returns to the Swamp to discuss narrative leadership. Often acts of leading begin as a conversation. A conversation that might be internal or conversations with other people. It is important for people who choose to lead, to understand how to craft and use narrative to mobilize people to take action. Geoff helps us understand how to do t…

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061_ Geoff Mead: Narrative Identity 56:28

1y ago56:28

56:28

Geoff Mead joins us in the Swamp to explore the significance of the stories we tell ourselves, the narratives we use to guide our life and how they shape our identity. Geoff is the founding director of Narrative Leadership Associates, a consultancy focused on the use of storytelling for sustainable leadership. He is a master guide in the emerging f…

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060_Janie Ekberg: Camp Siberia and the life altering power of leading from the heart. 45:50

1y ago45:50

45:50

060_Janie Ekberg comes to the Swamp to share her stories of leading across multiple social impact projects. Her story is personal for me because she found a way to mobilize me and get me involved in Camp Siberia and in so doing, change my life and perspective on what it takes to lead without authority. Janie has also changed the trajectory of hundr…

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059_Natalie Trotta: Community Building Through Wellness 45:47

1y ago45:47

45:47

Natalie Trotta comes to the Swamp to share her decision to alter her career trajectory and lead herself in the pursuit of building a wellness community. Natalie’s journey is important because she highlights that leading is always a choice and it can come from anyone and at any time. Natalie models that leading has nothing to do with age or “life ex…

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058_Maxime Fern & Michael Johnstone: Provocation as Leadership 52:15

1y ago52:15

52:15

Maxime Fern and Michael Johnstone are at the forefront of taking Adaptive Leadership out of academia and into boardrooms and learning spaces around the world. They come to the swamp to share their great book Provocation as Leadership: A roadmap for Adaptation and Change. Maxime and Michael have been working in family and organizational systems for …

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057_Lianne Morgan: A Gardener of Mindfulness 47:42

1+ y ago47:42

47:42

Lianne Morgan comes to the Swamp and shares her thoughts on the value of following a mindfulness practice. Lianne is a role model for us all. She has a long history of navigating life as a corporate leader. Long enough to know when it’s time to depart and how to make that transition. Today Lianne is a mindfulness coach. She offers wisdom in this ep…

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056_Ellen Schall: A Reflective Practitioner’s Journey 43:57

1+ y ago43:57

43:57

Ellen Schall of New York University comes to the Swamp and shares her wisdom on how to develop a leadership reflective practice. Ellen’s journey began when she worked in New York City starting as a Legal Aid Society attorney. She moved to New York University in 1992 and it is still her home. She taught the Leadership course: Reflective Practice: Le…

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055_Tracey Camilleri & Samatha Rockey: The Social Brain - The Psychology of Successful Groups 52:51

1+ y ago52:51

52:51

Tracey Camilleri and Samatha Rockey come to the Swamp and bring a treasure trove of research based thinking that leverages both the art and science necessary for building successful groups. They share their recommendations from their new book: The Social Brain: The Psychology of Successful Groups. We discuss the Dunbar Number, the value creation th…

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054_Martin Thomas & Mick Yates: Artistry and Passion as the impetus for impact 51:13

1+ y ago51:13

51:13

Martin Thomas and Mick Yates, two friends I admire, come to the Swamp to share their encore stories and second acts. Both men returned to university late in their professional careers and that decision changed the trajectory of their lives, the focus of their commitments and how they have chosen to make a difference as they conjure up second acts a…

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053_Nick Conigrave: Leadership bricolage that builds capacity to flourish 42:15

1+ y ago42:15

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Episode 053_ Nick Conigrave brings to the swamp his marriage of deep leadership study with the pragmatism needed to help people build their capacity to lead for greater impact. You will hear Nick’s passion for helping people as he shares the range of approaches he uses to construct leadership programmes and coaching strategies that are useful to al…

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052_Joanne Flinn: A Sustainability “Guide” for Company Directors 40:47

1+ y ago40:47

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Episode 052_ Joanne Flinn visits the swamp to discuss how company directors can integrate the environmental, social and governance agenda inside their organization and thrive. Joanne is the Chair of ESG Institute and the author of Greensight: The Sustainability Guide for Company Directors. She discusses the challenges of the ESG agenda as well as i…

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051_Tom Tyner: The Sacred Trust of Public Land 44:37

1+ y ago44:37

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Episode 051_ Tom Tyner comes to the swamp to share his decision to help preserve public lands for future generations. He shares his decision to leave his position as legal counsel to a global bank, move his family from San Francisco to the Seattle area and dedicate his time and expertise to secure parklands, forests, range land and wilderness for f…

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050_Anne-Fleur Goll: Every cog drives the system and you can be one 53:37

1+ y ago53:37

53:37

Anne-Fleur Goll joins me to share her story of a call to action on climate change that started small and then suddenly it was big and global. Anne-Fleur balances being a climate consultant on the Deloitte Sustainability team with her climate activism. She has learned a few things on how to create and sustain a movement as well as how to manage and …

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049_Karin Zastrow - Direct Leadership: The potency of leading by "doing" 47:06

1+ y ago47:06

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Karin Zastrow comes to the Swamp and she arrives with over twenty years of first hand experience working as a leader. Our conversation starts when Karin is tasked with designing her organization’s leadership development strategy. Without a budget. Immediately we come to understand that her unique combination of persistence, curiosity, and action is…

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048_ Joe Badman: The magic of Public Service 48:10

1+ y ago48:10

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Joe Badman joins me in the swamp to share his passion for working with public service individuals and teams. Joe discovered early in his career that he was quite good at helping teams collaborate and solve messy problems. Through this work, he unearthed his passion to help improve people’s lives. We all rely on our local governments to deliver high…

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047_Nyuon William: Born in Civil War, Raised for Peace and Justice 43:12

1+ y ago43:12

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Nyuon William is an accomplished lawyer and advocate for peace, gender equality and human rights. She joins us to share her journey growing up in the midst of Sudan’s civil war, being raised by parents who advocated and supported her education and her development path to becoming a lawyer. Her specialization includes reforms for women’s equality, a…

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046 Jerilyn Brusseau: Peace Trees Vietnam and the courage to heal from loss. 47:39

1+ y ago47:39

47:39

Jerilyn Brusseau offers evidence that one woman, with a vision to heal can change the lives of thousands of people. Her story begins with heartbreak when she learns that her brother, Dan Cheney, was shot down and killed in Vietnam just 15 days after he arrived in the country. In that moment, Jerilyn joined nearly 60,000 other American families who …

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045 Larai Diana Gwani: "I am a force to be reckoned with" 41:48

2y ago41:48

41:48

Larai Diana Gwani comes to the swamp and shared the challenges and successes she has produced in her role as a government official in the Kaduna State Legislature. She has spent her life living and working inside a patriarchal culture. She has learned how to use herself to lead inside this difficult environment. She is fighter and advocate for gend…

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044 Deborah Jones: Community Leadership Takes a Community 40:59

2y ago40:59

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Deborah Jones comes to the Swamp and shares what it took to build the Community Leadership Programme and the Violence Reduction Network in Leicester, England. She describes how the commitment of Leicester’s diverse network of leaders has fostered a culture of leadership practice and produced an enhanced impact that benefits their city and county. A…

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043 Meg Zeenat Wamithi: What keeps me going is 13 year old Meg 43:56

2y ago43:56

43:56

Meg Zeenat Wamithi comes to the swamp to share how the work of her organization, Mindmapper, is helping youth to learn how to take care of their bodies, minds & bank accounts, engage in meaningful relationships and take part in work experience opportunities in their local communities. Meg is candid about the mental health challenges she faced and s…

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042 Cecile Demailly: A Guide to Thriving as a Middle Manager 42:45

2y ago42:45

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Cecile Demailly comes to the Swamp to share insights from her book “The Middle Manager’s Survival Guide.” Cecile spent almost twenty years as one of those “middles” in global organizations. She brings her lessons learned from that world and adds fifteen years of experience helping the middle manager community as a consultant. Her ideas are practica…

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041 Irwin Turbitt: An Adaptive Approach To Close The Knowing-Doing Gap 50:37

2y ago50:37

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Episode 039 Irwin Turbitt comes to the swamp to share his complex and life altering journey from being a police commander in Northern Ireland to teaching and building leadership capacity at the Harvard Kennedy School and Oxford/Said Business school. Irwin had earned his teaching and consulting credentials the “harder way". He began on the streets o…

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040 Anne Gibbon: There is “No too hard and I’m walking away” 44:12

2y ago44:12

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040 Anne Gibbon joins me to share how her father, the United States Naval Academy and her intuition all conspired to form the leader that she is today. Anne was both the 2007 Heavyweight National Amateur Boxing Championships and a Second-Team All-American rower, and was inducted into the Academy Athletic Hall of Fame. That was just the beginning of…

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039 Benjamin Taylor: There are Problems with Adaptive Leadership AND Consulting 44:31

2y ago44:31

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040_ Benjamin Taylor Benjamin Taylor, RedQuadrant founder, returns to the Swamp for an enlightening conversation on two topics: The Problem with Adaptive Leadership The Problem with Consulting I asked Benjamin to return to the podcast (listen here to Episode #021) because he has clear and strong thinking on both adaptive leadership and the world of…

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038 Eka Gigauri: I love my country 42:54

2y ago42:54

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Eka Gigauri comes to the swamp to share her twenty year trek to establish transparency, accountability and social integrity in her country of Georgia. Her story begins with the Rose Revolution in Georgia in 2003 when the country separated from the Soviet Union. Today Eka is the Executive Director of Transparency International’s county office in Geo…

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037 Julia Fabris McBride: When Everyone Leads 45:50

2+ y ago45:50

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Julia Fabris McBride is the Interim President and CEO as well as the Chief Leadership Development Officer of Kansas Leadership Center. She is co-author with Ed O’Malley of the recently published book “When Everyone Leads” The Kansas Leadership Center (KLC) is a one of a kind, non-profit organization committed to fostering leadership for stronger, h…

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036 Rachel Musson: A Tempered Radical Reimagines Education 53:53

2+ y ago53:53

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Rachel Musson comes to the Swamp to discuss how her organization, ThoughtBox Education, is reimagining education for kids around the world. Their work is helping students develop the relevant skills to create and sustain a thriving world. She shares the Triple Wellbeing Culture model that focuses on care for self, others and the world. We discuss t…

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035 Kit Lykketoft: The Art of Convening and the Work of Sustaining 26:17

2+ y ago26:17

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Kit Lykketoft is the Director of Conventions at Wonderful Copenhagen. The official tourism organization of the Capital Region of Copenhagen. Her work is attracting and convening international association conferences to the city while designing a sustainable agenda for attendees. Finding this balance is the challenge of leading. Kit brings a strateg…

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034 Kush Doshi: All It Takes Is Just One Person 45:34

2+ y ago45:34

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034 Kush Doshi jumps into the Swamp to share his views on leading inside a community health system. He brings his passion for advancing health efforts for communities of color and mobilizing health equity by addressing the social determinants of health within communities. But he doesn’t stop here. He is also an advocate for equity, inclusion, and d…

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033_Larisa Halilovic: Born to Lead and Mentor Women Around the World 49:23

2+ y ago49:23

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033_Larisa Halilovic jumps into the Swamp to share her deep wisdom on leading and building teams. Her leadership journey began when she escaped her war torn country, became a refugee and learned how to adapt and thrive in a new country. Larisa has over twenty years of experience leading teams in the United Kingdom, Bosnia and Herzegovina and Serbia…

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032_Kurt O’Brien: Leadership Can Be Taught 41:35

2+ y ago41:35

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032_Kurt O’Brien, friend, thought partner and leadership teacher comes to the Swamp to share his insights on how to teach leadership. Kurt brings 22+ years of experience helping emerging leaders in healthcare build their craft of leading. He shares what gives him hope for the future and reflects on the importance of balancing classroom learning wit…

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031_Leen Gorissen: Building Our Future on Natural Intelligence 46:06

2+ y ago46:06

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031_ Leen Gorissen: Biologist and founder of Center4NI takes us on a journey to reconnect us with our own Natural Intelligence. She asserts that the difficult conditions of our planet call for us to focus more on developing our Natural Intelligence than seeking artificial solutions. Leen shares the Story of Wolves. A remarkable regenerative example…

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030_Judy Rees - Clean Language: Opening Minds through the Potency of Metaphors. 39:28

2+ y ago39:28

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030 _ Judy Rees shares how simple questions, sharp listening and exploring metaphors can access fresh ideas, improved strategies and sharper actions for addressing challenges and accessing more human potential. Links ReesMcCann Books by Judy Judy Rees’ Ebook Clean Language: Revealing Metaphors and Opening Minds The Five Minute Coach Buzzing Online …

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029_ Guillaume Wiatr: Building a Strategic Narrative is an act of leadership 42:57

2+ y ago42:57

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029_ Guillaume Wiatr joins us in the swamp to explore the power of strategic narratives and why building one is an act of leadership. We will explore the difference between stories and narrative and how to use them both inside your team or organization to mobilize change. Guillaume will also talk about External Discipline and External Freedom and h…

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028_Terry Rogers: Faces of Recovery 43:56

2+ y ago43:56

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Terry Rogers has been a practicing physician for over 56 years. He was the director of respiratory and critical care at Seattle Swedish Hospital, served a Senior Medical Officer and CEO for King County Blue Shield. He was also CEO of the Foundation for Healthcare Quality in Seattle. He retired as Medical Director of Lakeside-Milam Recovery Centers …

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027_ Lea Ranalder: Sustainable Cities Advocate at work in Cairo 45:23

2+ y ago45:23

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027_ Lea Ranalder is a committed advocate for building more sustainable cities. Her work with UN-Habitat is focused on developing more renewable energy resources that mitigate climate change in our greatest urban hubs. Cities are both the heartbeat of countries and vulnerable collectives that impact millions of lives everyday. Lea brings her years …

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026_John Scherer: Facing The Tiger 45:44

2+ y ago45:44

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026_John Scherer: Facing The Tiger John Scherer brings a lifetime of developing leaders around the world to the swamp. He shares what is possible when we face our tigers and the five deep questions we must answer to understand our purpose and power. As John says: “You don’t need to CHANGE yourself. You need to COME HOME to yourself. This changes EV…

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025_Jole Berlage-Buccellati: Integral Coaching for Highly Sensitive People 43:36

2+ y ago43:36

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025_Jole Berlage-Buccellati discusses the potential Highly Sensitive People bring to the world and the workplace. Jole’s coaching mission is to support the empowerment of highly-sensitive and highly-gifted people to self-actualize, embrace their sensuality, their talents, their power and their unique gifts. The four capacity building themes that gu…

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