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This show is for the builders, who see the Bitcoin ETF as just the first step in a much broader picture. The tokenization of all assets. Welcome to Tokenized. A new podcast concept in partnership with Visa. And supported by Digital Asset. This show will come to your feed every two weeks featuring the latest news, with views from the operators, to the builders, and the people in markets and in Crypto who see tokenization as the credible future of finance. Join me, Simon Taylor, and Cuy Sheffi ...
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The Agentic Stablecoin Bank Ft. Elise Soucie Watts and Stepan Simkin
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47:49On Ep. 32 of Tokenized, Simon Taylor, Head of Content & Strategy @ Sardine is joined by Elise Soucie Watts, Executive Director @ Global Digital Finance and Stepan Simkin, CEO @ Squads to discuss Squads unveiling a stablecoin account for businesses, AI agents and compliance in financial services and more! Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction 02:46 Squads …
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Worldpay Brings Stablecoins to $2.3T Commerce Network With BVNK Ft. Chris Harmse AND Nabil Manji
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11:09On this bonus episode of Tokenized, Simon Taylor, Head of Content & Strategy @ Sardine, is joined by Chris Harmse, Chief Business Officer and Co-Founder @ BVNK and Nabil Manji, SVP, Head of Fintech Growth and Financial Partnerships @ Worldpay to discuss Worldpay partnering with BVNK to enable stablecoin payouts for merchants, the technical breakdow…
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Why Does Meta Want a Stablecoin? Ft. Brandon Arvanaghi and Anurag Arjun
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44:58On Ep. 31 of Tokenized, Simon Taylor, Head of Content & Strategy @ Sardine, and Cuy Sheffield, Head of Crypto @ Visa, are joined by Brandon Arvanaghi, CEO @ Meow and Anurag Arjun, Founder @ Avail to discuss Robinhood's global expansion in Fintech and crypto, Meow's integration of USDC for business payments and why Meta wants a stablecoin. Timestamp…
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Should Banks Fear Stripe Stablecoin Accounts? Ft. Inversion Capital CEO Santiago Santos
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41:16On Ep. 30 of Tokenized, Simon Taylor, Head of Content & Strategy @ Sardine, and Cuy Sheffield, Head of Crypto @ Visa, are joined by Santiago Santos, CEO @ Inversion Capital to discuss Stablecoins transforming traditional businesses, Inversion Capital's private equity approach and more! Timestamps: 00:00 Stablecoins transforming traditional business…
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Visa & Bridge Stablecoin Linked Cards Ft. Henri Stern & Jelena Djuric
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51:17On Ep. 29 of Tokenized, Simon Taylor, Head of Content & Strategy @ Sardine, and Cuy Sheffield, Head of Crypto @ Visa, are joined by Henri Stern, CEO @ Privy and Jelena Djuric, CEO @ Noble to discuss Visa's stablecoin linked cards announcement and a new era of Fintech innovation with stablecoins. Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction 02:20 Visa's stablecoi…
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Change, Capitalism & Cracks in the System: The Shift to Citizen Agency
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34:42Episode Summary In this conversation, Carne Ross discusses his journey from being a British diplomat to advocating for self-governance and participatory democracy. He highlights the current challenges facing democracy, including economic inequality and the influence of wealth on political systems. Ross emphasises the importance of technology in ena…
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Can Circle’s CPN Beat SWIFT? Ft. Elise Soucie Watts & Rob Hadick
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46:59On Ep. 28 of Tokenized, Cuy Sheffield, Head of Crypto @ Visa is joined by Elise Soucie Watts, Executive Director @ Global Digital Finance and Rob Hadick, General Partner @ Dragonfly to discuss Circle Payments Network launch, regulatory challenges and yield-bearing stablecoins vs. payment stablecoins. Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction 03:19 Circle Paym…
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The $2 Trillion Stablecoin Opportunity Ft. Ran Goldi
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54:26On Ep. 27 of Tokenized, Simon Taylor, Head of Content & Strategy @ Sardine, and Cuy Sheffield, Head of Crypto @ Visa, are joined by Ran Goldi, SVP of Payments and Network @ Fireblocks to discuss Fed Chair Jerome Powell on crypto mainstream adoption, the impact of US legislation on stablecoin growth and Standard Chartered predicting $2T stablecoin m…
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Why Ripple spent $1.2bn on Hidden Road Ft. Noelle Acheson & Fernando Martinez
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45:13On Ep. 26 of Tokenized, Simon Taylor, Head of Content & Strategy @ Sardine is joined by Noelle Acheson, Author @ Crypto is Macro Now and Fernando Martinez, CEO @ Nonco to discuss crypto's impact on macroeconomics and geopolitics, Ripple's acquisition of Hidden Road and Nonco bringing FX on-chain via Avalanche. Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction 00:51 S…
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Code & Connectivity: Creating the Future Infrastructure for Smart Cities
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41:18The Future of Smart Cities, Data, and Trust with Richard Baker Episode Summary: In this thought-provoking episode, co-hosts Elise Soucie Watts and Jannah Patchay sit down with Richard Baker, a technologist and futurist with a background in telecommunications and financial services. Richard shares his journey from engineering to finance and discusse…
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Onchain Finance Means 24/7 Liquidity, Risk & Collateral Ft. Georg Schneider, Melvin Deng & Chris Zuehlke
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43:06On this bonus episode of Tokenized, Simon Taylor, Head of Content & Strategy @ Sardine, is joined by Georg Schneider, Managing Director @ Digital Asset, Melvin Deng, CEO @ QCP & Chris Zuehlke, Global Co-Head @ Cumberland to discuss onchain finance, liquidity, risk and collateral. Timestamps: 00:27 Digital Asset's role in capital markets 01:15 QCP's…
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Circle's IPO Filing - The Best Stablecoin Data Drop Ever Ft. Sergio Mello & Arnold Lee
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44:53On Ep. 25 of Tokenized, Simon Taylor, Head of Content & Strategy @ Sardine, and Cuy Sheffield, Head of Crypto @ Visa, are joined by Sergio Mello, Head of Stablecoins at Anchorage Digital and Arnold Lee, Co-Founder of Sphere Labs to discuss Circle's IPO filing and $4 billion valuation, stablecoins as the intersection of TradFi and DeFi and regulator…
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Welcome to the Stablecoin Alphabet Soup Ft. Chris Harmse & Nabil Manji
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49:48On Ep. 24 of Tokenized, Simon Taylor, Head of Content & Strategy @ Sardine, and Cuy Sheffield, Head of Crypto @ Visa, are joined by Chris Harmse, Chief Business Officer and Co-Founder @ BVNK and Nabil Manji, SVP, Head of Fintech Growth and Financial Partnerships @ Worldpay to discuss Wyoming launching a stablecoin, the impact of the OCC’s new guida…
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Mesh Raise $82m to Bring Stablecoins Everywhere Ft. CEO Bam Azizi
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52:54On Ep. 23 of Tokenized, Simon Taylor, Head of Content & Strategy @ Sardine, and Cuy Sheffield, Head of Crypto @ Visa, are joined by Bam Azizi, CEO @ Mesh to discuss stablecoins for subscriptions, the OCC’s new guidance and building the future of crypto payments. Timestamps: 00:00 Mesh on building the future of crypto payments 04:01 Why stablecoins …
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Houston, We Have a Moonshot: Perspectives on Private Spaceflight from the Astronaut Entrepreneur
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45:55The Outside Context – Episode 6 Episode Summary In this episode, our co-hosts Elise Soucie Watts and Jannah Patchay sit down with Per Wimmer—global financier, entrepreneur, adventurer, and astronaut-in-training—to discuss the future of private space travel, space entrepreneurship and humanity’s long-term potential beyond Earth. Per shares his perso…
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Interoperable Onchain Finance Ft. LayerZero CEO Bryan Pellegrino
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47:32On Ep. 22 of Tokenized, Simon Taylor, Head of Content & Strategy @ Sardine, and Cuy Sheffield, Head of Crypto @ Visa, are joined by Bryan Pellegrino, CEO @ LayerZero to discuss multi-chain stablecoins, interoperability, compliance changes and more! Timestamps: 00:00 Brian Pellegrino on LayerZero and interoperability 02:57 How blockchain bridging co…
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8 Ways Banks will make money from Stablecoins Ft. Nick Philpott
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52:33On Ep. 21 of Tokenized, Simon Taylor, Head of Content & Strategy @ Sardine, and Cuy Sheffield, Head of Crypto @ Visa, are joined by Nick Philpott, Co-Founder @ Zodia Markets to discuss Trump's crypto reserve announcement, Stablecoins in commodity trading and global trade, and more! Timestamps: 03:50 Trump's crypto reserve announcement 09:30 SEC dro…
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Ripple USD, Stablecoins & Custody Ft. Ripple President Monica Long
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41:16On Ep. 20 of Tokenized, Simon Taylor, Head of Content & Strategy @ Sardine is joined by Monica Long, President @ Ripple to discuss Ripple USD, stablecoins, custody and more! Timestamps: 02:15 Ripple’s dual focus: enterprise software & XRP Ledger 05:00 How Ripple powers cross-border payments with stablecoins 08:48 Ripple’s custody play: Metaco & maj…
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On this bonus episode of Tokenized, Simon Taylor, Head of Content & Strategy @ Sardine, and Cuy Sheffield, Head of Crypto @ Visa, are joined by Ayo Omojola, CPO @ Carbon Health to discuss the inaugural ‘A Very Stable Conference’ and the state of the stablecoin industry. This episode is brought to you by Visa A world leader in digital payments, Visa…
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Space Invaders: The Ethics of Multiplanetary Exploration & Expansion
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42:03The Outside Context Podcast – Episode 5 Episode Summary In this episode, we welcome astrophysicist, space ethicist, and author Erika Nesvold to discuss the ethical questions surrounding space exploration and settlement. Inspired by her book Off Earth, this conversation delves into the challenges of governance, labour rights, environmental protectio…
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On Ep. 19 of Tokenized, Simon Taylor, Head of Content & Strategy @ Sardine, and Cuy Sheffield, Head of Crypto @ Visa, are joined by Anna Yuan, Founder @ Perena and Elise Soucie, Executive Director @ Global Digital Finance to discuss why Robinhood uses stablecoins and more! Timestamps: 04:09 Milei Memecoin Madness 15:34 Coinbase & revenue diversific…
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Crypto Venture Investing in 2025 Ft. Kyle Samani, Mulitcoin Capital
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39:58On Ep. 18 of Tokenized, Simon Taylor, Head of Content & Strategy @ Sardine, and Cuy Sheffield, Head of Crypto @ Visa, are joined by Kyle Samani, Managing Partner @ Mulitcoin capital to discuss crypto venture investing in 2025. Timestamps: 02:30 What is a blockchain? 03:35 Solana 09:27 Pathway to adoption 12:08 DePIN 18:18 Stablecoin use cases on So…
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March of the Machines: AI, the Machine Economy, and the Future of Investing
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43:06The Outside Context – Episode 4 Episode Summary In this episode, hosts Elise Soucie Watts and Jannah Patchay sit down with Lex Sokolin, co-founder of Generative Ventures, to explore the convergence of crypto, artificial intelligence, and financial technology. Lex shares his journey from early fintech ventures to leading DeFi initiatives at ConsenSy…
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Stablecoin Regulation: What the GENIUS Bill Means for Payments
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48:33On Ep. 17 of Tokenized, Simon Taylor, Head of Content & Strategy @ Sardine, and Cuy Sheffield, Head of Crypto @ Visa, are joined by John Nahas, Chief Business Officer @ Ava Labs to discuss stablecoin regulation and what the GENIUS bill means for payments. Timestamps: 01:33 Avalanche & institutions 04:03 GENIUS stablecoin bill 13:09 Where should ins…
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AI Origins & Futures: The Good The Bad & The Robotic
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46:15In episode 3 of the Outside Context, Jannah and Elise sit down with Daniel Hulme, CEO and Founder of Satalia. As an OG of AI, Daniel shares unpacks what we really mean by 'artificial intelligence', the origins of AI and how it has evolved over the years. Together with the co-hosts they explore the real risks and challenges that AI poses, as well as…
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What does $TRUMP and memecoins Mean for Finance?
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45:14On Ep. 16 of Tokenized, Simon Taylor, Head of Content & Strategy @ Sardine, and Cuy Sheffield, Head of Crypto @ Visa, are joined by Sinclair Toffa, Founder & CEO @ Mural Pay to discuss what $TRUMP and memecoins means for the future of finance. Timestamps: 01:15 Donald Trump launches memecoin 17:55 Financial industry & crypto payments adoption 29:…
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On Ep. 15 of Tokenized, Simon Taylor, Head of Content & Strategy @ Sardine, and Cuy Sheffield, Head of Crypto @ Visa, are joined by Anthony Woolley, CEO @ Ownera and Daniel Lynch, Metamask Card Strategy @ Consensys to discuss the agentic revolution that's happening in crypto. Timestamps: 01:31 ai16z AI research partnership with Stanford 08:52 AI ag…
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2025 Predictions: Stablecoins, RWAs and Bank Blockchains
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41:19On Ep. 14 of Tokenized, Simon Taylor, Head of Content & Strategy @ Sardine, and Cuy Sheffield, Head of Crypto @ Visa, are joined by Yuval Rooz, CEO @ Digital Asset to discuss their top predictions for 2025. Timestamps: 01:43 Yuval Rooz prediction 1: Regulation 04:39 Yuval Rooz prediction 2: Collateral mobility 10:53 Yuval Rooz prediction 3: Use cas…
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Beam Me Up, Securely: The Expanding Horizons of Space Policy & Security
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46:48In episode 2, Jannah and Elise speak to Juliana Suess, an associate with the Strategic Threat Analysis and Nuclear Disorder team within the International Security Team at the German Institute for International Security Affairs. Jannah and Elise ask Juliana to explain more about her work on space security and what its implications are for society. T…
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On Ep. 13 of Tokenized, Simon Taylor, Head of Content & Strategy @ Sardine, and Cuy Sheffield, Head of Crypto @ Visa, are joined by Austin Campbell, MD @ Zero Knowledge Consulting and Ed Woodford, CEO @ Zero Hash to discuss Circle partnering with Binance for USDC, credibility optics, market narrative shifts and thoughts on PSPs. Timestamps: 01:27 C…
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In the Orbit of Innovation: The Next Frontier of Digital Money
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44:49In episode 1 of the Outside Context, Jannah and Elise sit down with Dante Disparte, Chief Strategy Officer and Head of Global Policy at Circle. Dante shares his journey into the digital assets world from Puerto Rico, to Richard Branson's Island, to the new shores of digital money. Together with the co-hosts they do a deep dive into the future of di…
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Big Tech Goes Stablecoin: Amazon, Alipay and Grab Unveil Plans
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42:09What impact will Tether's asset tokenization platform have on stablecoins and the RWA market? On Ep. 12 of Tokenized, Simon Taylor, Head of Content & Strategy @ Sardine, and Cuy Sheffield, Head of Crypto @ Visa, are joined by Ollie Harris, former MD and Head of Digital Assets for the Americas @ Goldman Sachs and Maria Orszag, VP of product @ Xapo t…
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A brand new podcast from Jannah Patchay & Elise Soucie Watts on the future of technology & civilisation. Listen to get to know the hosts, find out what inspired The Outside Context, & find out what kind of guests they will be having on the show as well as the topics it will analyse. Message us and tell us what you think of this episode, or share yo…
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Every Company Needs a Stablecoin Strategy
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52:24Does every company need a stablecoin strategy? On Ep. 11 of Tokenized, Simon Taylor, Head of Content & Strategy @ Sardine, and Cuy Sheffield, Head of Crypto @ Visa, are joined by Eric Saraniecki, Co-Founder and Head of Network @ Digital Asset to discuss USDG stablecoin, Polymarket & betting markets and how policies post-election will affect the spa…
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Stripe’s $1.1BN Stablecoin Acquisition Ft. BVNK Co-Founder & CSO of Circle
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51:03Is this a coming of age for stablecoins? On Ep. 10 of Tokenized, Simon Taylor, Head of Content & Strategy @ Sardine, and Cuy Sheffield, Head of Crypto @ Visa, are joined by Dante Disparte, Chief Strategy Officer & Head of Global Policy @ Circle and Chris Harmse, Co-Founder @ BVNK to discuss Stripe acquiring Bridge for $1.1 billion, if stablecoins a…
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On Ep. 9 of Tokenized, Simon Taylor, Head of Content & Strategy @ Sardine, and Cuy Sheffield, Head of Crypto @ Visa, are joined by Guillaume Chatain, Chief Revenue Officer @ Société Générale - FORGE and Nick Ducoff, Head of Institutional Growth @ The Solana Foundation to discuss the state of Solana in 2024, Société Générale - FORGE, EURCV & Solana …
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Building Onchain Global Venmo Ft. Sling Money CEO Mike Hudack
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48:18On Ep. 8 of Tokenized, Simon Taylor, Head of Content & Strategy @ Sardine, and Cuy Sheffield, Head of Crypto @ Visa, are joined by Mike Hudack, Co-Founder @ Sling Money. Mike talks to Tokenized about how his time at Monzo, Meta and Deliveroo influenced Sling Money's rise into one of the best crypto experiences on the planet. Timestamps: 01:53 What …
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Diving Into the Visa Tokenized Asset Platform
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50:46On Ep. 7 of Tokenized, Simon Taylor, Head of Content & Strategy @ Sardine, and Cuy Sheffield, Head of Crypto @ Visa, are joined by Catherine Gu, Head of CBDC and Tokenized Assets @ Visa and Francisco Maroto, Head of Blockchain and Digital Assets @ BBVA to discuss the Visa Tokenized Asset Platform (VTAP), BBVA's tokenization journey and the momentum…
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On Ep. 6 of Tokenized, Simon Taylor, Head of Content & Strategy @ Sardine, and Cuy Sheffield, Head of Crypto @ Visa, are joined by Noelle Acheson, author of Crypto is Macro Now to discuss Paypal's PYUSD hitting $1bn market cap, Certifuge's lending market, Sony launching a L2 blockchain backed by Samsung, and Hong Kong launching 'Project Ensemble'. …
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State of Play in 2024: Stablecoin Payments Ft. CEO of Bridge
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51:24On Ep. 5 of Tokenized, Simon Taylor, Head of Content & Strategy @ Sardine, and Cuy Sheffield, Head of Crypto @ Visa, are joined by Zach Abrams, Co-Founder of Bridge to discuss the competitive and innovative landscape of Stablecoins. Timestamps: 02:27 The current state of stablecoin payments 04:43 The evolution of stablecoin payments 08:15 The role …
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Are Stablecoins Better Than Deposit Tokens?
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51:22On Ep. 4 of Tokenized, Simon Taylor, Head of Content & Strategy @ Sardine, and Cuy Sheffield, Head of Crypto @ Visa, are joined by Elise Soucie, Executive Director @ Global Digital Finance to discuss the competitive landscape of stablecoins, Hamilton Lane launching fund on Solana, Project Pyxtrial and much more! Timestamps: 01:44 Hamilton Lane laun…
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Institutionalization of ETH and Future of On-Chain Treasuries
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53:02On Ep. 3 of Tokenized, Simon Taylor, Head of Content & Strategy @ Sardine, and Cuy Sheffield, Head of Crypto @ Visa, are joined by Robert Leshner, CEO @ Superstate to discuss the Ethereum ETF, tokenized money market funds, MakerDAO's $1 billion tokenized treasury investment plan and much more! Timestamps: 01:34 What is Superstate? 05:17 Ethereum ET…
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Unpacking Implications of MiCA on the Tokenized Fiat Ecosystem in Europe
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44:43On Ep. 2 of Tokenized, Simon Taylor, Head of Content & Strategy @ Sardine, and Cuy Sheffield, Head of Crypto @ Visa, are joined by Chris Brummer, Founder @ Bluprynt to discuss compliance in crypto, regulation, disclosures, MiCA and much more! Timestamps: 02:01 What is Bluprynt? 06:18 Effective regulation 08:50 Where are the EU & US markets on their…
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On the first episode of Tokenized, Simon Taylor, Head of Content & Strategy @ Sardine, and Cuy Sheffield, Head of Crypto @ Visa, are joined by Yuval Rooz, CEO of Digital Asset to discuss the launch of Canton Network, how crypto bridges to mainstream use cases and regulatory developments in the broader ecosystem. Timestamps: 02:38 What is the Canton…
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Welcome to Tokenized. A new podcast concept in partnership with Visa. And supported by Digital Asset. This show will come to your feed every two weeks featuring the latest news, with views from the operators, to the builders, and the people in markets and in Crypto who see tokenization as the credible future of finance. Join me, Simon Taylor, and C…
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