The Dynamist, a podcast by the Foundation for American Innovation, brings together the most important thinkers and doers to discuss the future of technology, governance, and innovation. The Dynamist is hosted by Evan Swarztrauber, former Policy Advisor at the Federal Communications Commission. Subscribe now!
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An American AI Action Plan w/Charles Clancy and Joshua Levine
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51:03While Silicon Valley builds advanced AI models and Beijing integrates them into state power, Washington faces an uncomfortable reality: America's innovation machine might not be enough to win the AI race on its own. The problem isn't our technology—it's our government's ability to deploy it. The White House recently released “America’s AI Action Pl…
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Racing China to the Quantum Future w/Dr. Peter Shadbolt
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1:05:39Quantum computing has been "five years away" for decades, but when NVIDIA's Jensen Huang says we've hit an inflection point, Congress listens and stocks soar. The reality? We're still building very expensive proof-of-concepts. Today's quantum computers run on 100 qubits—impressive to physicists, useless to you. Commercial viability needs a million …
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A Free Speech Recession? w/Ashkhen Kazaryan and Jacob Mchangama
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1:01:54Is free speech in global decline? A new survey suggests public support for free expression is dropping worldwide, with citizens in authoritarian countries like Venezuela and Hungary showing stronger commitment to free speech than many living in democracies. From the unfulfilled digital promises of the Arab Spring to Europe's controversial Digital S…
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America First Antitrust w/ Assistant Attorney General for Antitrust Gail Slater
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56:37Gail Slater is the Assistant Attorney General for Antitrust at the Department of Justice (DOJ). She was nominated in December of last year and confirmed by the Senate in March on a bipartisan 78-19 vote. She inherited some major antitrust cases brought by prior administrations—including against Google, Apple, Visa, and LiveNation. And in her short …
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A Post-Mortem on a Moratorium w/James Wallner and Luke Hogg
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1:09:11The One Big Beautiful Bill is now President Trump's signature legislative achievement, including sweeping changes to taxes, immigration, and spending priorities. But buried in the budget reconciliation process, an AI regulation fight became one of the most contentious debates in the entire package. Senator Ted Cruz championed a 10-year moratorium o…
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The Techno-Industrial Policy Playbook: Part II w/Austin Bishop and Julius Krein
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56:58Last week on the Dynamist, we spoke with several of the architects behind the Techno-Industrial Policy Playbook (TIPP). Part I covered key questions over regulation, trade policy, workforce development, investing in frontier science and technology, and how manufacturing can safeguard national security. In Part II, we dive into one of the pillars of…
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The Techno-Industrial Policy Playbook w/Robert Bellafiore, Kelvin Yu, Santi Ruiz, and Chris Griswold
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54:50The U.S. production base has slipped: China passed America in manufacturing output in 2011 and last year ran a surplus roughly equal to Britain’s entire GDP; at current capacity, it would take the United States about eight years to replace key munitions at wartime production rates. The urgency has propelled an alliance of think tanks — the Foundati…
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China, Made by Apple w/ Patrick McGee
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1:05:47President Trump’s tariffs on China have highlighted how much American companies, and consumers, depend on products made in China. And arguably no company has been more exposed than Apple. The conventional wisdom in the West is that Apple and other corporations simply flocked to China for cheap, unskilled labor. While that is true, it masks the dept…
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Nuclear 101: Reactors of the Future with Ed Petit De Mange, Patrick O’Brien, Kathleen Nelson Romans and Emmet Penney
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59:21Nuclear power is experiencing a notable revival in policy circles. The Trump administration has moved quickly on this front, drafting executive orders to accelerate plant construction, directing the Pentagon to explore reactor installations on military bases, and reshaping the regulatory landscape. A recent $900 million solicitation for small modul…
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Most American parents say technology makes it harder to raise kids than in the pre-social media era. And while social scientists debate the exact impact of ubiquitous Internet access on children, policymakers are increasingly responding to parents’ concerns. The Kids Online Safety Act, which aims to address the addictive features of social media th…
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Permission to Build: How States Are Shaping our Energy Future w/ Thomas Hochman and Emmet Penney
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46:57America's infrastructure future isn't being decided in Washington—it's being fought permit by permit in state capitals across the country. While politicians talk about building more, the real bottlenecks are happening where rubber meets bureaucratic road. From Donald Trump to Pete Buttigieg, everyone agrees: America has forgotten how to build thing…
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Digitizing the State: Lessons from Estonia w/Joel Burke and Keegan McBride
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54:35In an era where government tech projects often end in billion-dollar failures and privacy nightmares, there's a tiny Baltic nation that's quietly revolutionized what's possible. Estonia—a country of just 1.3 million people—has built what might be the world's most efficient digital government. Every public service is online. Digital signatures save …
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A Conservative Realignment on Antitrust w/FTC Commissioner Mark Meador
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57:50Mark Meador is the newest commissioner on the Federal Trade Commission, which plays a dual role: enforcing both antitrust and consumer protection laws. It also serves as America's de facto technology regulator, including overseeing digital privacy and cybersecurity issues. Commissioner Meador embodies the political realignment reshaping conservativ…
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Unions and the New Right w/Liya Palagashvili
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46:31For decades, conservatives treated unions like an economic flu—tolerable in small doses, but best avoided altogether. But starting with Trump's election in 2016, that narrative began to unravel, with prominent Republicans increasingly taking pro-union positions. Perhaps the most striking example was Teamsters President Sean O'Brien speaking at the …
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AI for Science and Discovery, w/Austin Carson
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53:55The race to harness AI for scientific discovery may be the most consequential technological competition of this time—yet it's happening largely out of public view. While many AI headlines focus on chatbots writing essays and tech giants battling over billion-dollar models, a quiet revolution is brewing in America's laboratories. AI systems like Alp…
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How to Make Social Media Better w/Alissa Cooper
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54:42It’s easy to take for granted how much social media pervades our lives. Depending on the survey, upwards of 75-80 percent of Americans are using it daily—not to mention billions of people around the world. And over the past decade, we’ve seen a major backlash over the various failings of Big Tech. Much of the ire of policymakers has been focused on…
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Can AI Be Privately Regulated? w/Andrew Freedman
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52:17When it comes to AI policy, and AI governance, Washington is arguably sending mixed signals. Overregulation is a concern—but so is underregulation. Stakeholders across the political spectrum and business world have a lot of conflicting thoughts. More export controls on AI chips, or less. More energy production, but what about the climate? Less liab…
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Tech and the Family: Building for the Next Generation w/Katherine Boyle and Neil Chilson
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41:50In this week’s episode of The Dynamist, guest host Jon Askonas is joined by Katherine Boyle, (General Partner at a16z) and Neil Chilson (Head of AI Policy at the Abundance Institute), to tackle a critical yet often overlooked question: How is technology reshaping the American family? As tech giants like TikTok and Instagram come under scrutiny for …
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Antitrust and Big Tech: from Biden to Trump w/Lina Khan
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53:22During the Biden Administration, few figures in Washington sparked so much debate and caused so much spilled ink as Lina Khan. The Wall Street Journal published over 80 editorials criticizing her approach, while politically opposed tech titans like LinkedIn's Reid Hoffman and Tesla's Elon Musk called for her firing. Meanwhile, an unlikely coalition…
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Bluesky: Feed Freedom, or X-odus Refuge? W/ CEO Jay Graber
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45:21BlueSky was once a research initiative within Jack Dorsey’s Twitter aimed at decentralizing the architecture or the platform social media writ large. Today, BlueSky is an independent platform with remarkable momentum. Following Elon Musk's acquisition of Twitter and subsequent policy shifts, BlueSky has experienced unprecedented growth, expanding f…
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Mutually Assured Malfunction and the AI Arms Race w/Dan Hendrycks and Sam Hammond
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50:13AI has emerged as a critical geopolitical battleground where Washington and Beijing are racing not just for economic advantage, but military dominance. Despite these high stakes, there's surprising little consensus on how—or whether—to respond to frontier AI development. The polarized landscape features techno-optimists battling AI safety advocates…
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A Counterfeit Cloud over U.S.-China Trade w/ Joel Thayer
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46:42It’s an understatement that U.S.-China relations have been tense in recent years. Policymakers and industry leaders have elevated concerns around China’s trade practices, including currency manipulation, intellectual property theft, and allegations that China is directing or enabling fentanyl to flood into the U.S. Trade and public health are incre…
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Tech Made in America: Trump’s Tariffs and Industrial Policy w/Marc Fasteau and Ian Fletcher
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54:21Since President Trump returned to office, tariffs have once again dominated economic policy discussions. Recent headlines have highlighted escalating trade tensions with China, renewed disputes with Canada and Mexico, and the ongoing controversy surrounding Trump’s proposal to repeal the CHIPS Act—a $52 billion semiconductor initiative that enjoys …
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Public Service Error 404: Tech Talent Not Found w/Arun Gupta
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47:46Everyone wants government to work better, and part of that is updating outdated systems and embracing modern technology. The problem? Our federal government faces a critical tech talent crisis. Only 6.3% of federal software engineers are under the age of 30, which is lower than the percentage of total federal workers under 30. That means that feder…
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Fusion: A Thousand Years of Energy? w/Sachin Desai and Thomas Hochman
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55:32Fusion energy, potentially a fuel source that could last a thousand years, is transitioning from science fiction to business reality. Helion Energy recently signed the first fusion power purchase agreement with Microsoft, promising 50 megawatts by 2028. But the story isn't just about the physics breakthroughs that make fusion possible. The U.S. and…
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Finding the Middle of Social Media w/Renée DiResta and Luke Hogg
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58:11Mark Zuckerberg sent shockwaves around the world when Meta announced the end of its fact-checking program in the U.S. on its platforms Facebook, Instagram, and Threads. Critics lamented the potential for more mis/disinformation online while proponents (especially conservatives) rejoiced, as they saw the decision as a rollback of political censorshi…
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Building American Talent: Education as National Security w/Melissa Moritz, Sara Schapiro, Dan Lips, and Robert Bellafiore
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39:03During the pandemic, Congress spent an unprecedented $190 billion to help reopen schools and address learning loss. But new test scores show the investment isn't paying off - fourth and eighth grade reading levels have hit record lows, performing worse than even during COVID's peak. As the Trump administration signals dramatic changes to federal ed…
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America's Education Emergency w/Chester Finn, Dan Lips, and Robert Bellafiore
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48:47During the pandemic from 2020 to 2021, Congress dropped $190 billion to help reopen schools, provide tutoring, and assist with remote learning. The results? Fourth graders' math scores have plummeted 18 points from 2019-2023, eighth graders’ have dropped 27 points - the worst decline since testing began in 1995. Adult literacy is deteriorating too,…
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Unbreaking Bureaucracy: State Capacity 101 w/Jennifer Pahlka and Andrew Greenway
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59:38The newly established Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) has put state capacity back in the spotlight, reigniting debates over whether the federal government is fundamentally broken or just mismanaged. With Elon Musk at the helm, DOGE has already taken drastic actions, from shutting down USAID to slashing bureaucratic redundancies. Supporte…
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A Little Tech Agenda for 2025 w/Garry Tan and Jon Askonas
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49:42At Trump's second inauguration, one of the biggest stories, if not the biggest, was the front-row presence of Big Tech CEOs like Google’s Sundar Pichai and Meta’s Mark Zuckerberg—placed even ahead of Cabinet members. As the plum seating signaled a striking shift in Silicon Valley's relationship with Washington, just 24 hours later, the administrati…
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DeepSeek: Deep Trouble for U.S. AI? w/Tim Fist and Sam Hammond
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47:23Chinese AI startup DeepSeek’s release of AI reasoning model R1 sent NVIDIA and other tech stocks tumbling yesterday as investors questioned whether U.S. companies were spending too much on AI development. That’s because DeepSeek claims it made this model for only $6 million, a fraction of the hundreds of millions that OpenAI spent making o1, its ne…
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Copyright vs. AI Part 4: The Road Ahead w/Tim Hwang and Josh Levine
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59:08As revelations about Meta's use of pirated books for AI training send shockwaves through the tech industry, the battle over copyright and AI reaches a critical juncture. In this final episode of The Dynamist's series on AI and copyright, Evan is joined by FAI's Senior Fellow Tim Hwang and Tech Policy Manager Joshua Levine to discuss how these legal…
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Copyright vs. AI Part 3: IP and Cybersecurity w/Jason Zhao, Jamil N. Jaffer, and Tim Hwang
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39:35In the third installment of The Dynamist's series exploring AI and copyright, FAI Senior Fellow Tim Hwang leads a forward-looking discussion about how market dynamics, technological solutions, and geopolitics could reshape today's contentious battles over AI training data. Joined by Jason Zhao, co-founder of Story AI, and Jamil Jaffer, Executive Di…
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Copyright Versus AI Part 2: Hollywood and Creators
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59:15From the SAG-AFTRA picket lines to the New York Times lawsuit against OpenAI, the battle over AI's role in creative industries is heating up. In this second episode of The Dynamist's series on AI and copyright, we dive into the messy reality of how artists, creators, and tech companies are navigating this rapidly evolving landscape. Our guests brin…
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Copyright Versus AI Part 1: The Legal Battle w/Pamela Samuelson
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46:03Copyright law and artificial intelligence are on a collision course, with major implications for the future of AI development, research, and innovation. In this first episode of The Dynamist's four-part series exploring AI and copyright, we're joined by Professor Pamela Samuelson of Berkeley Law, a pioneering scholar in intellectual property law an…
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The Future of Digital War w/Kevin Kennedy
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58:16As we approach the three-year mark of the war in Ukraine, and conflict continues to rage in the Middle East, technology has played a key role in these arenas—from cyber attacks and drones to propaganda efforts over social media. In Ukraine, SpaceX’s Starlink has blurred the lines between commercial and military communications, with the satellite br…
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Looking Forward, Looking Back: a 2024 Tech Policy ‘Wrapped’ w/Luke Hogg and Josh Levine
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51:092024 has been a whirlwind year for tech policy, filled with landmark moments that could shape the industry for years to come. From the high-profile antitrust lawsuits aimed at Big Tech to intense discussions around data privacy and online safety for kids, the spotlight on how technology impacts our daily lives has never been brighter. Across the At…
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Age Gates & Free Speech: The Texas Porn Law Debate w/Adam Candeub and Robert Corn-Revere
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1:07:38There is growing concern among parents and policymakers over the Internet’s harms to children—from online pornography to social media. Despite that, Congress hasn’t passed any legislation on children’s online safety in decades. And while psychologists continue to debate whether and to what extent certain Internet content harms children, several sta…
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Is Medicare a ‘Valley of Death’ for Innovation? w/Katie Meyer
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31:44Is Medicare a valley of death for medical innovation? While the U.S. is seen as a global leader in medical device innovation, the $800+ billion program that covers healthcare costs for senior citizens has been slow to reimburse certain medical devices, even when those devices are approved by the Food and Drug Administration. On average, it takes Me…
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How Regulators Should Approach Big Tech and Corporate Power w/ Andrew Ferguson
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59:47The Federal Trade Commission (FTC) is a once sleepy, three-letter agency in Washington that serves as the nation’s general purpose consumer protection regulator—dealing with everything from deceptive advertising to fraud. In recent years, however, the FTC has become somewhat of a household name thanks to current chair Lina Khan and high-profile cas…
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Elon, Vivek, and Government Efficiency w/Sam Hammond and Dan Lips
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43:10President-elect Trump recently announced that entrepreneurs Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy will lead the Department of Government Efficiency. Musk had forecast the idea in the tail end of the presidential election, championing a commission focused on cutting government spending and regulation. In a statement posted to Truth Social, the president-ele…
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Donald Trump won the 2024 presidential election, Republicans won control of the Senate, and the GOP is slated to maintain control of the House. If you turn on cable news, you will see many pundits playing monday morning quarterback in the wake of this Republican trifecta, arguing about the merits of how people voted, speculating on cabinet secretar…
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From Quantum Realm to Quantum Reality with Travis Scholten
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51:40When people hear 'quantum physics,' they often think of sci-fi movies using terms like 'quantum realm' to explain away the impossible. But today we're talking about quantum computing, which has moved beyond science fiction into reality. Companies like IBM and Google are racing to build machines that could transform medicine, energy storage, and our…
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When voters head to the polls next week, tech policy won't be top of mind—polling shows immigration, the economy, abortion, and democracy are the primary concerns. Yet Silicon Valley's billionaire class is playing an outsized role in this election, throwing millions at candidates and super PACs while offering competing visions for America's technol…
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Should Conservatives Embrace Elon Musk? w/Chris Griswold
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53:23Over the past few years, Elon Musk’s political evolution has been arguably as rapid and disruptive as one of his tech ventures. He has transformed from a political moderate to a vocal proponent of Donald Trump and the MAGA movement and his outspokenness on issues like illegal immigration make him an outlier among tech entrepreneurs and CEOs. Musk's…
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Tech Coup: Has Silicon Valley Become A Shadow Government? w/ Marietje Schaake
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53:13Have tech companies become more powerful than governments? As the size and reach of firms like Google and Apple have increased, there is growing concern that these multi-trillion dollar companies are too powerful and have started replacing important government functions. The products and services of these tech giants are ubiquitous and pillars of m…
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Gov. Newsom Vetoes Controversial AI Bill w/ Dean Ball & Sam Hammond
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1:03:52On September 29th, Governor Newsom vetoed SB 1047, a controversial bill aimed at heading off catastrophic risks of large AI models. We previously covered the bill on The Dynamist in episode 64. In a statement, Newsom cited the bill’s “stringent standards to even the most basic functions” and said he does “not believe this is the best approach to pr…
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A ‘Public Option’ for the Gig Economy? w/Wingham Rowan
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49:10Since the advent of platforms like Uber, Instacart, and DoorDash, the so-called gig economy has been intertwined with technology. While the apps no doubt created loads of opportunity for people seeking flexible work on their own schedules, they have been lambasted by critics who say they don’t provide drivers and grocery shoppers with a minimum wag…
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Nuclear Power: Fear, Cost, and Politics w/ Emmet Penney & Thomas Hochman
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1:07:30When the average person thinks of nuclear energy, there’s a good chance they’re thinking in terms influenced by pop culture—Homer Simpson’s union job at the Springfield plant, or the HBO miniseries Chernobyl, which dramatized the world’s biggest meltdown. For all its promise in the mid-20th century, U.S. nuclear energy largely stalled in the 1970s …
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What Should Be Done About Misinformation? w/Renée DiResta
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1:14:06The recent riots in the United Kingdom raise new questions about online free speech and misinformation. Following the murder of three children in Southport, England, false rumors spread across social media about the killer’s identity and religion, igniting simmering resentment over the British government’s handling of immigration in recent years. X…
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