Join Meade and Christy, two retired-over-drinkers turned freedom-from-alcohol coaches, as they explore all of the stories that kept them stuck in the nightly over-drinking cycle, including but certainly not limited to "But Jesus drank wine?" If you're looking for two Christian women who get real about how wine held them back and explore tricky questions about drinking (and beyond!) with grace, compassion, and zero judgment, this is the podcast for you.
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When life gets hard, does what we think we believe hold us up, or does it crumble under the weight of doubt? I'm your host, Dr. Lee Warren- I'm a brain surgeon, author, and a person who's seen some stuff and wondered where God is in all this mess. This is The Spiritual Brain Surgery podcast, where we'll take a hard look at what we believe, why we believe it, and the neuroscience behind how our minds and our brains can smash together with faith to help us become healthier, feel better, and be ...
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Christy Osborne and Meade Shirley: The Ten Commandments of Self-Brain Surgery and You, Part 2
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39:11GUEST HOST EPISODE: Meade Shirley and Christy Osborne This is part 2 of a powerful look at how the ten commandments of Self-Brain Surgery™ can help you break free from anything that's keeping you stuck in your life. Join my friends, the two powerhouses behind the amazing But Jesus Drank Wine Podcast, Christy Osborne and Meade Holland Shirley, as th…
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Men Don't Run in the Rain: Lessons from Rick Burgess (and other dads)
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41:00In this episode, I give you five lessons I learned from my conversation with Rick Burgess, New York Times bestselling author and celebrated radio host (Rick and Bubba, The Rick Burgess Show). Rick has a new book about his dad Bill, called Men Don't Run in the Rain. This episode is a prequel to the full interview, which will be released on 5/30//2…
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Ep. 130 Breaking Free with Dr. Lee Warren's 10 Commandments of Self-Brain Surgery (Part 2)
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44:24Join the conversation in our community at https://butjesusdrankwine.com/community. In this episode, we continue our deep dive into Dr. Lee Warren’s 10 Commandments of Self-Brain Surgery, focusing on commandments 6 through 10. As freedom-from-alcohol coaches, we share how these powerful principles shape our approach to helping women break free from …
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Why We Need Spiritual Brain Surgery Today, I'm sharing thoughts inspired by a fallen tree, a blocked road, and the search for a new path forward after unexpected calamity. I want you to understand the importance of connecting faith with neuroscientific principles, and why we need two different podcasts to make space for this incredible community of…
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Ep.129 Breaking Free with Dr. Lee Warren's 10 Commandments of Self-Brain Surgery (Part 1)
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50:16Join the conversation in our community at https://butjesusdrankwine.com/community. In this special episode, we got to guest-host Dr. Lee Warren’s Spiritual Self-Brain Surgery podcast to discuss the first five of his 10 Commandments of Self-Brain Surgery—powerful principles that combine neuroscience and faith to help you overcome challenges and brea…
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Devil or Diagnosis: Unraveling the Complexities of Mental Health and Spiritual Warfare
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31:02Are our thought problems the result of spiritual attack, or mental health issues? Are they just bad habits, or are they bad biochemistry? In short, are the things that trouble us Devil, or Diagnosis? Dr. Lee Warren revisits a 2023 episode to address recent inquiries about mental health struggles, particularly obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD), an…
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Ep. 128 Heather Dillion | From High-Achieving to Healing: Letting Go, Finding God, and Living Free
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47:16Disclaimer: This episode discusses topics including suicide and suicidal ideation, which may be distressing to some listeners. If you are experiencing emotional distress or feel unsafe, please know that help is available. If you are in immediate danger or need urgent support, call 911 (if in the United States) or your local emergency services immed…
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A New Look at Suffering (Tuesdays with Tata)
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34:05Embracing Suffering: Finding Strength and Hope in Hardship In this new Tuesdays with Tata episode, we dive into the heavy topic of suffering, particularly through personal tragedies, and explore how these experiences cultivate endurance, character, and hope. Tata stresses the importance of relying on God through trials and how suffering can strengt…
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Ep. 127 Jill Hutsko | The Lie of Moderation and the Freedom of Obedience
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42:00Join the conversation in our community at https://butjesusdrankwine.com/community. In this honest and hope-filled conversation, Christy and Meade welcome Jill, a beloved member of the But Jesus Drank Wine leadership team, to share her powerful story of breaking free from alcohol and drawing closer to God. After ten years of trying to moderate her d…
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Ep. 126 Laura Smith | Brave Woman, Mighty God: Why God Power Girl Power
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49:06Join the conversation in our community HERE! In this empowering episode, Christy and Meade welcome author and speaker Laura Smith for a rich conversation about her latest book, Brave Woman, Mighty God. Laura—now a 15-time published author—shares her heart behind the book’s message and reminds us that strength doesn’t come from “girl power” but from…
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Doubting Thomas and the Power of Belief: Tuesdays with Tata
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29:40Doubting Thomas and the Power of Belief In this special Easter Sunday episode, Tata and I delve into the story of Doubting Thomas, recorded against the backdrop of a beautiful sunrise by the riverbank. We explore the resurrection of Jesus, the significance of belief in the absence of physical evidence, and the importance of faith in times of doubt.…
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Ep. 125 Pastor David Walters | Is Drinking Alcohol A Sin?
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43:41Join the conversation in our community at https://butjesusdrankwine.com/community. In this episode, Christy and Meade welcome back Pastor David Walters for an honest and theologically rich conversation on one of the most frequently asked questions among believers: Is drinking alcohol a sin? Together, they explore what the Bible actually says about …
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Meade Shirley and Christy Osborne: The Ten Commandments of Self-Brain Surgery and You, Part 1
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47:59GUEST HOST EPISODE: Meade Shirley and Christy Osborne This is part 1 of a powerful look at how the ten commandments of self-brain surgery™ can help you break free from anything that's keeping you stuck in your life. Join my friends, the two powerhouses behind the amazing But Jesus Drank Wine Podcast, Christy Osborne and Meade Holland Shirley, as th…
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Ep. 124 Kelsey Green | A Freedom Story from the Heart of Our Leadership Team
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45:12Come hang out with Kelsey, Christy, and Meade in our community, here: https://butjesusdrankwine.com/community We are so excited to share Kelsey Green’s testimony with you today. Kelsey is a beloved member of the But Jesus Drank Wine leadership team and someone who played a key role in laying the foundation of our community. In this episode, Kelsey …
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Ep. 123 Chris Janssen | Grace Yourself: How to Show Up for the Sober Life You Want
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40:14Join the conversation in our community at https://butjesusdrankwine.com/community. Today, we sit down with Chris Janssen, MA, BCC, a board-certified results coach, author, and expert in performance and mindset. Chris shares her deeply personal journey with alcohol, from growing up in a non-drinking household to battling a secretive drinking habit i…
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Tuesdays with Tata Classic: Deep Dive Into Worldview and Theology
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40:35A replay of Tuesdays with Tata #2, to finish off the discussion we had last week on the essential question for new listeners: "Who is Tata?" Dennis McDonald, otherwise known as "Tata" to grandkids, friends, and people all over the world, is the namesake of our regular Spiritual Brain Surgery feature, Tuesdays with Tata. He's also my father-in-law, …
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Diving into the Psalms: Tuesdays with Tata
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37:30What does the book of Psalms have to do with modern life? Join me for an inspiring and vulnerable conversation with Tata about turning to an ancient prayer book during life's hardest moments. You don't want to miss this one! Resources and Links Dane Ortlund's beautiful Psalms commentary, In the Lord I Take Refuge My book, 2021 ECPA Memoir/Biography…
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Ep. 122 Stephanie Ziebell | Radiant in Battle: Pursuing Sobriety Through Faith
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41:08Join the conversation in our community at https://butjesusdrankwine.com/community. Stephanie Ziebell shares her personal journey to sobriety and faith, highlighting the transformation that came when she embraced God's grace. A wife, mother of four, attorney, and Christian sobriety advocate, Stephanie knows what it’s like to wrestle with addiction a…
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Getting to Know Tata, Getting to Know Yourself Join me for an inspiring and vulnerable conversation with Tata about suffering, resilience, salvation, trust, and hope. This is Tata at his deepest level, where we find insights that can help us all understand ourselves and how we relate to God, pain, and faith. This is the deepest talk we’ve ever had,…
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Ep. 121 Blake Roberts | More to the Story: Healing From Sex and Alcohol Addiction
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51:02Join the conversation in our community at https://butjesusdrankwine.com/community. In this episode, we sit down with Blake Roberts, a licensed therapist, writer, podcast host, and speaker based in Nashville, TN. Blake specializes in helping men heal attachment wounds, foster healthy relationships, and learn to trust again. If you're looking for way…
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High Places, Heart Issues, and an Unwise Wise Guy: Tuesdays with Tata
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35:27Solomon Was the Wisest Person to Ever Live, But That DIdn't Keep Him On the Right Path Join me for an inspiring and sobering conversation with Tata from the story of King Solomon in I Kings. We learn a lot about how to keep your heart on track, how wisdom is not the same as holiness, and how to find our way back when we wander. Our featured partner…
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Ep. 120 Ali Kennedy | From Shame to Freedom, A Ministry Leader’s Sobriety Story
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57:46Join the conversation in our community Here. In this heartfelt episode, ministry leader Ali Kennedy shares her deeply personal journey from struggling with alcohol to experiencing spiritual renewal and true freedom. Ali’s struggle with alcohol began in her early teenage years and continued through college, marriage, and motherhood. Despite being in…
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Is God Real? My conversation with Lee Strobel
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51:42Today, a re-release of my conversation with Lee Strobel! Lee Stobel is a New York Times bestselling author, pastor, journalist, and apologist. Join me for an incredible conversation with Lee about his new book, Is God Real?, which is one of my Top 10 Books of 2023, and I think one of the most important books I've ever read. If you or someone you lo…
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Ep. 119 Let Them… or Let HIM? A Biblical Take on Mel Robbins’ Viral Self-Help Theory
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44:34JOIN THE BJDW COMMUNITY HERE! Mel Robbins’ Let Them philosophy has taken the self-help world by storm. But is it really the key to peace and freedom? Or is there something deeper—something better—that God calls us to instead? In today’s episode, we break down where Let Them aligns with biblical wisdom… and where it misses the mark. Through real-lif…
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Wrong Place, Wrong Time: Lessons from David's Decisions (Tuesdays with Tata)
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38:05Not All Disasters Are Accidents Join me for an inspiring and sobering conversation with Tata from II Samuel 11. We dive into the story of David and Bathsheba, and see what happens when someone gets themselves in the wrong place at the wrong time. This week's Tuesdays with Tata is a must-listen! Our featured partner for this episode is Zuma Nutritio…
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Ep. 118 Jo Hargreaves | Attachment Theory, Faith, and Rewiring the Brain for Emotional Healing
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38:08The Lent Fast Starts This Wednesday!!!! Get more information and join us here Today we welcome Jo Hargreaves, a pastor, psychotherapist, writer, and speaker, to explore the intersection of faith, therapy, and mental health. As the voice behind The Faith-Filled Therapist, Jo is passionate about integrating theology and therapy, scripture and neurosc…
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A Proper Theology of Suffering, with Jon Seidl (Part 2)
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45:53In this episode of the Spiritual Brain Surgery Podcast, Dr. Lee Warren introduces guest host Jon Seidl for an enlightening discussion on the theology of suffering. Jon, author of Finding Rest: A Survivor's Guide to Navigating the Valleys of Anxiety, Faith, and Life, dives deep into his personal experiences of dealing with anxiety and OCD. He shares…
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Ep. 117 Brandi Babb | The Power of Somatic Practice in Sobriety and Beyond
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54:17Join the Lent 40 Day Fast! More info right here! We start March 5th! Our friend Brandi Babb shares her powerful freedom-from-alcohol story—from her early days as a “good girl” who followed all the rules to confronting the painful realities of alcohol use disorder and the internal divide between her faith and her drinking. Brandi opens up about how …
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Overcoming Anxiety and OCD with Guest Host Jon Seidl, Part 1
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46:28Overcoming Anxiety and OCD: Strategies for Mental Health with Jon Seidl In this episode of the Spiritual Brain Surgery podcast, Dr. Warren introduces guest host Jon Seidl, who shares his compelling journey with clinical anxiety and obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD). Jon discusses his experiences growing up with undiagnosed mental health issues, h…
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Ep. 116 Dr Lisa Stanton | Life Changing Lessons from Recovery
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49:11Join the Lent 40 Day Fast! More info right here! We start March 5th! Content Warning:This episode references sensitive topics, including sexual assault and trauma. We recognize that these subjects may be difficult or triggering for some listeners. Please take care of yourself while listening. If you or someone you know is in need of support, please…
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Do We Really Need a King? (Tuesdays with Tata)
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33:26In this episode of Tuesdays with Tata, we discuss the themes of faith and obedience through the story of Samuel and Saul in the Old Testament book of 1 Samuel. Tata guides us as we explore the Israelites' demand for a king, illustrating their rejection of God's authority. We analyze Samuel's heartbreak and Saul's kingship, highlighting the dangers …
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Ep. 115 Kori Leigh | From Rock Bottom to Redemption, Breaking Generational Patterns, and Rediscovering Who God Really Is
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1:01:29JOIN THE BJDW COMMUNITY HERE! Disclaimer: This episode discusses topics including suicide and suicidal ideation, which may be distressing to some listeners. If you are experiencing emotional distress or feel unsafe, please know that help is available. If you are in immediate danger or need urgent support, call 911 (if in the United States) or your …
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Welcome to Spiritual Brain Surgery! Traveling this week, so we're giving you back episode 1 of the Spiritual Brain Surgery Podcast. This will help you if you're new to the show. We have exciting guest-hosted episodes, more Tuesdays with Tata, and all kinds of other powerful Spiritual Brain Surgery content coming to you weekly in 2025! Here's an ove…
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Ep. 114 Jon Seidl | Confessions of a Christian “Alcoholic”
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1:02:31JOIN THE BJDW COMMUNITY HERE! Christy chats with Jon Seidl, bestselling Christian author and founder of The Veritas Network, to discuss addiction, anxiety, and the road to true freedom. Jon has spent years in journalism, faith-based media, and nonprofit work with I Am Second, helping people tell their stories of transformation. But behind the scene…
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In this episode of 'Spiritual Brain Surgery,' Dr. Lee Warren and his co-host Tata discuss the importance of maintaining faith during hard times, and a surprising lesson on how God loves us and how he can't stand it when we suffer because of sin from Judges 10:16. Set against the serene backdrop of a wintery Sunday afternoon by the North Platte Rive…
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JOIN THE BJDW COMMUNITY HERE! For some reason, sharing my alcohol story has always been easy for me. But today’s podcast episode has been 42 years in the making. I’ve never told this story before. Today, I want to tell you all about how I rediscovered Jesus. It’s a story of redemption, sobriety, and His unrelenting love that has shaped my life. Thi…
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Surprising News About Suffering (Tuesdays with Tata)
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37:55Facing Suffering with Faith: Conversations on Perseverance and Hope In this episode of The Spiritual Brain Surgery Podcast, Dr. Lee Warren and Tata discuss the challenging topic of suffering and where God fits into our hardships. Reflecting on scriptures from Romans chapters 4 and 5, they explore the profound questions many believers face, such as …
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JOIN THE BJDW COMMUNITY HERE! Today Meade shares her deeply personal faith story. Through moments of vulnerability and profound honesty, Meade recounts her transformation from a life of struggles with alcohol to finding freedom and identity in her faith. Growing up, Meade believed that Jesus was only for the 'perfect,' which led her to distance her…
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This conversation will help you find healing and power in the sacred space of prayer. Be ready to take notes, shed tears, and renew your hope as New York Times bestselling author Ann Voskamp gives us a masterclass on neuroscience, theology, and a deep dive into overcoming trauma, tragedy, and all the places where life can hurt. We discuss Ann's new…
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Ep 111. Alisa Keeton | Beyond Resolutions: A Faith-Centered Approach to Fitness and Wellness
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57:44JOIN THE BJDW COMMUNITY HERE! Before you set your New Year’s resolutions for diet and exercise, this is the podcast you need to hear. This week we are joined by Alisa Keeton, the visionary founder of Revelation Wellness, to reframe how we think about health, fitness, and faith. Alisa’s holistic approach goes beyond traditional diet and exercise goa…
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The Neuroscience and Power of Forgiveness (Tuesdays with Tata)
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29:36The Power of Forgiveness: Lessons from Jesus and Stephen In this episode of 'Tuesdays with Tata,' the discussion takes place on a frozen North Platte River, celebrating the New Year 2025. Dr. Lee Warren and Tata delve into the significance of New Year's resolutions and the neuroscience of forgiveness, drawing inspiration from biblical examples. The…
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Ep. 110 William Porter | The 8 Hurdles of Stopping Drinking
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52:14JOIN THE DRY JANUARY 40-DAY FAST HERE. Six weeks of coaching and community to kick-start your 2025 alcohol-free! Today we are joined by bestselling author William Porter, creator of Alcohol Explained, to break down the 8 Hurdles of Stopping Drinking. Drawing from his extensive research and personal experience, Porter offers invaluable advice for na…
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Put Yourself in the Story: Tuesdays with Tata
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32:36A Conversation How to Read Scripture More Effectively, from Numbers 20 In this episode of The Spiritual Brain Surgery Podcast, host Dr. Lee Warren, a brain surgeon and author, explores the intersection of faith and neuroscience to help listeners navigate difficult times. Joined by Tata, they reflect on the biblical story of Moses in Numbers 20 and …
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Ep. 109 Letting Go of Moderation as the Goal and Embracing True Freedom
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47:19JOIN THE DRY JANUARY 40-DAY FAST HERE. Six weeks of coaching and community to kick-start your 2025 alcohol-free! Today we welcome Lauren, a beloved member of our leadership team and a former coaching client of Christy’s who shares her inspiring journey to freedom from alcohol. Lauren reflects on her past struggles with moderation and the moment she…
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Ep. 108 Cheers to Change – Your Festive Guide to an Alcohol-Free Christmas
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36:52JOIN THE DRY JANUARY 40-DAY FAST HERE. Six weeks of coaching and community to kick-start your 2025 alcohol-free! Does Christmas Day have you feeling the pull of a mimosa at brunch, even though you’ve made it through the season without alcohol? Or perhaps you’ve been mindfully drinking and now feel drained, wishing to approach today differently but …
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The Power of Both-And: A Christmas Gift of Perspective
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28:52A Christmas Gift for You: Both-And In this episode of 'Spiritual Brain Surgery,' Dr. Lee Warren shares a heartfelt message about coping with loss and finding happiness during the Christmas season. He acknowledges the difficulties many face during the holidays, particularly those dealing with trauma or the loss of a loved one. Sharing personal anecd…
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A Conversation About Who God Really Is, from Exodus Chapter 4 Join Tata and me as we find out how to discover the power and hope available to us when we believe what God says about who he is. Our featured partner for this episode is Adapt Naturals: As we enter the winter season, staying healthy is more important than ever. That’s why Lisa and I tru…
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Ep. 107 Anna Mathur | Alcohol-Free Therapy for the Soul, Letting Go of People-Pleasing, and Friendships Built Around Alcohol
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46:59JOIN THE DRY JANUARY 40-DAY FAST HERE. Six weeks of coaching and community to kick-start your 2025 alcohol-free! Today, we are joined by the inspiring Anna Mathur, a renowned mental health advocate, bestselling author, and host of The Therapy Edit podcast, which has amassed over 3 million downloads. Anna is passionate about making therapy accessibl…
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Self-Brain Surgery in the Bible A quick rundown of some powerful scriptures we can use to build a robust self-brain surgery practice. The following biblical passages (among many others) highlight principles from neuroscience that can guide us toward profound personal transformation. They illustrate how integrating faith and science empowers us to p…
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Ep. 106 Living Fully | Celebrating Alcohol-Free Firsts
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34:58JOIN THE DRY JANUARY 40-DAY FAST HERE. Six weeks of coaching and community to kick-start your 2025 alcohol-free! Today we explore the joy and clarity of life without alcohol, sharing personal stories and tips for thriving in alcohol-free social settings. From milestone moments to everyday experiences, we uncover how this lifestyle enhances connecti…
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