Are you an aspiring author dreaming of writing full-time? Join Nathan and Nat, two online writers navigating the murky waters of the publishing world, as they pull back the curtain on their journeys to becoming professional authors. With refreshing honesty and hard-won insights, they'll share the ups and downs, rejections and victories, and get real about their numbers, pitches, and publishing experiences. Whether you're hoping to publish fiction or nonfiction, traditionally or independently ...
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Exploring my curiosity through conversations with leading thinkers and builders. We talk about philosophy, learning, tech, parenting, entrepreneurship, health, and more. Follow Spencer on Twitter (twitter.com/SP1NS1R) and Substack (spencerkier.substack.com)
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The show about the power of stories, the people who tell them, and why you should be doing it too. This is where I talk to speakers, storytellers, marketing and communication experts to understand how they use stories to get their messages across, engage and inspire people to action. New episodes every Monday! I’m a keynote speaker, author, emcee, and story coach. You can connect with me on LinkedIn, where I post daily (or as close to that as my children will let me), and on storypowers.com
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How Much to Charge for a Self-Published Book
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49:44Grab a copy of Husk Join Nathan's author newsletter Join Nat's author newsletter Nat shares his experience receiving the first paperback copies of his upcoming sci-fi novel, Husk, and discusses his strategic approach to pricing across different formats - from hardcover to ebook to audiobook. The conversation explores how Amazon's various platforms,…
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Nat and Nathan discuss strategies for building an audience as authors, focusing on the importance of understanding the difference between attracting writers and readers. They explore content strategies, the significance of engagement, and the role of social media in audience building. The conversation also delves into the effectiveness of short-for…
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Get the full notes and bonuses for this episode https://betweendraftspod.com/episodes/16 In this episode, Nathan and Nat dive into their respective book launch strategies, with Nat utilizing a bundled pre-order strategy through Shopify while Nathan plans to focus exclusively on Amazon to maximize algorithmic potential. They also explore the complex…
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Nat and Nathan dive deep into the nitty-gritty financial details of book publishing, from manuscript development to audiobook production. The duo shares their personal experiences with their respective projects - Nathan's progress with his novel and novella, and Nat's journey launching "Husk." A fascinating discussion unfolds around audiobook econo…
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Launching and Marketing a Self-Published Novel: Nat's Plan for Husk
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46:42Preorder your copy of Husk: huskbook.com In this episode of Between Drafts, Nat shares his comprehensive strategy for launching his debut sci-fi novel "Husk." With just two months until release, Nat breaks down his three-pronged approach to building buzz and reaching readers through Bookstagram/BookTok influencers, podcast appearances, and newslett…
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Get the full notes and bonuses for this episode https://betweendraftspod.com/episodes/13 Nat and Nathan dive deep into the world of novella writing and author growth strategies. They discuss their experiences writing novellas as companion pieces to their full-length novels, exploring how these shorter works can serve as entry points for new readers…
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$5,000 in 24 Hours: Nat's Initial Success with Book Preorders
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52:24Preorder Nat's Sci-fi thriller, Husk! Nat takes us behind the scenes of launching preorders for his sci-fi novel "Husk." Nat shares his unconventional approach to book pre-orders, choosing to sell directly through Shopify rather than Amazon - a decision that's already yielding fascinating results. Get an insider's look at the realities of book mark…
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Q&A: Best Writing Tools, Building an Audience, Designing a Cover, Release Strategy & More
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53:10Get the full notes and bonuses for this episode https://betweendraftspod.com/episodes/11 In this mailbag episode of Between Drafts, Nathan and Nat tackle listener questions about cover art strategy, exploring the delicate balance between artistic vision and market appeal, and share their experiences with various writing tools and technologies that …
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What Happens After Finishing Your Book? (Ep. 10)
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47:13Get the full notes and bonuses for this episode https://betweendraftspod.com/episodes/10 Fresh off submitting the final manuscript of Husk, Nat breaks down the steps between completion and publication, from locking in the cover art to editing to planning marketing strategies and the audiobook production. Nat compares his experience with "Crypto Con…
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Getting & Using Feedback on Your Novel (Ep. 9)
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1:00:03Get the full notes and bonuses for this episode https://betweendraftspod.com/episodes/9 Nathan and Nat dive deep into the challenging process of incorporating feedback during the writing and editing process. They explore how to effectively evaluate and implement reader feedback while maintaining the core vision for your work, drawing from their exp…
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Hiring An Editor for Your Novel: When, How, and How Much? (Ep. 8)
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42:17Get the full notes and bonuses for this episode https://betweendraftspod.com/episodes/8 Nathan shares his experience hiring a developmental editor for his novel, a process that's often opaque to aspiring authors. He details how he found and evaluated potential editors, from scouring book acknowledgments to leveraging AI tools, and breaks down the s…
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The Best Fantasy & SciFi Books We Read in 2024 (Ep. 7)
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46:00Get the full notes and bonuses for this episodehttps://betweendraftspod.com/episodes/7 Nat & Nathan dive into their favorite reads from 2024, discussing everything from recent releases to timeless classics. TIMESTAMPS [00:34] Nathan's literary agent querying update [02:02] Nat's manuscript progress and editing timeline [03:18] The Will of the Many …
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How to Draft a Novel in a Month (86,000 Words in 26 Days) (Ep. 6)
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47:25Get the full notes and bonuses for this episode https://betweendraftspod.com/episodes/6 Nat and Nathan dive deep into the intense process of writing a novel draft in just one month. Drawing from Nat's recent experience writing his novel "Husk" at a pace of 5,000 words per day, they explore the practical challenges, strategies, and trade-offs of rap…
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Choosing Professional Self-Publishing over Traditional Publishing (Ep. 5)
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52:40Get the full notes and bonuses for this episode https://betweendraftspod.com/episodes/5 Nat and Nathan dive into the latest developments in their respective publishing journeys. They discuss how Nat's crypto book is seeing renewed success during the current bull market, and Nathan shares promising early results from querying his fantasy novel to li…
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Self-Editing for Authors: Getting Feedback, the "Triage" Method, and More (Ep. 4)
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55:23Get the full notes and bonuses for this episode betweendraftspod.com/episodes/4 In this episode, Nathan and Nat share their processes for getting feedback and editing their drafts. From outlining a "top-down" hierarchy that nails the high-level story before sweating the small stuff, to strategies for soliciting targeted feedback, this conversation …
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Getting an Agent for Your Novel: Lessons from 90+ Rejections (Ep. 3)
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46:06Get all the notes and bonuses from this episode. Nathan shares his journey querying agents for his debut novel, the brutality of getting rejected 90+ times, and the lessons learned along the way. Most importantly, he shares what he's going to do differently with his new novel, and why he thinks he has a much higher chance of success now than he did…
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How to Get a Six-Figure Book Deal: Nat's Journey with Crypto Confidential (Ep. 2)
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53:15Get all the notes and bonuses from this episode. Ever dreamed of landing a life-changing book deal? Join Nathan and Nat as they discuss Nat's journey securing a $275,000 book deal with Penguin Random House for Crypto Confidential. You'll learn the essential ingredients for a nonfiction book proposal that grabs publishers' attention, the art of buil…
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Making it as an Author with Nathan Baugh & Nat Eliason (Ep. 1)
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43:37Get all the notes and bonuses from this episode. Are you an aspiring author dreaming of writing full-time? Join Nathan and Nat, two online writers navigating the murky waters of the publishing world, as they pull back the curtain on their journeys to becoming professional authors. With refreshing honesty and hard-won insights, they'll share the ups…
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In this very short intro episode, Nat and Nathan introduce the Between Drafts podcast which will be launching next week. Be sure to subscribe!
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#057 - John Koenig on Sorrow, Identity, Contradiction, & The Human Experience
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56:38John Koenig is the author of The New York Times' Best Seller Dictionary of Obscure Sorrows, a dictionary of made-up words for emotions that we all feel but don't have the words to express. We talk about his book, identity and individuality, contradiction, writing, the human experience, fatherhood, and more. — (00:44) Why use "sorrows"? (02:51) Did …
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We will be back in a few weeks! Welcome to The Storypowers Podcast, the show about the power of stories, the people who tell them and why you should be doing it too. I’m your host, keynote speaker and storytelling coach, Francisco Mahfuz. If you like storytelling, you’ll love my weekly newsletter, Story Club: https://storyclub.beehiiv.com/subscr…
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How to Use AI for Storytelling with Darren Gibb
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1:02:32126. How to Use AI for Storytelling with Darren Gibb Can AI actually help you tell better stories? What can it do well? What still needs to improve? And what's the best tool to use? Welcome to The Storypowers Podcast, the show about the power of stories, the people who tell them and why you should be doing it too. I’m your host, keynote speaker and…
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Build Hot Authority on Social Media with Stéphanie Lauer
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1:05:56125. Build Hot Authority on Social Media with Stephanie Lauer What makes some storytelling irresistible? What types of storytelling actually work on social media? And are all storytellers absolutely miserable, desperate, and depressed?? Welcome to The Storypowers Podcast, the show about the power of stories, the people who tell them and why you sho…
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The Harry Potter of Digital Storytelling with Nathan Baugh
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51:57124. The Harry Potter of Digital Storytelling with Nathan Baugh What is the secret of building a massive online audience? How much does literature writing translate to digital writing? And is Pulp Fiction… old?? Welcome to The Storypowers Podcast, the show about the power of stories, the people who tell them and why you should be doing it too. I’m …
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The Greatest Story Ever Told with Peder Tellefsdal
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52:31123. The Greatest Story Ever Told with Peder Tellefsdal How do you tell a story people want to be a part of? Is Jesus’ story still relevant in a world that’s more secular by the day? And oes it even matter if it’s true of not? Welcome to The Storypowers Podcast, the show about the power of stories, the people who tell them and why you should be doi…
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How a PR Master Tells Crackling Stories with Parry Headrick
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52:28122. How a PR Master Tells Crackling Stories with Parry Headrick What makes a journalistic story good? When it comes to PR, do stories actually matter? What is old game-new game approach to storytelling? Welcome to The Storypowers Podcast, the show about the power of stories, the people who tell them and why you should be doing it too. I'm m your h…
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#056 - Dylan O’Sullivan on Lying to Yourself, Timelessness, Discipline, & Writing
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1:06:01Dylan O’Sullivan is a curator, editor, and writer at O'Shaughnessy Ventures and Essayful. Dylan and I talk about writing, taste, discipline vs. inspiration, timelessness vs ephemerality, boredom and solitude vs. the internet, inciting a digital renaissance, not lying to yourself, and more. — (00:45) Curating & editing vs. writing (05:39) Fear of ne…
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How IBM Tells Better Stories with Jeremy Connell-Waite
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1:11:03121. How IBM Tells Better Stories with Jeremy Connell-Waite How can you use AI to prepare your stories and talks? What the heck is a story anyway - and does that matter? And, more importantly, why are we talking about fashion?? Welcome to The Storypowers Podcast, the show about the power of stories, the people who tell them and why you should be do…
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#055 - Steve Schlafman on Lostness, Downshifting, & Becoming
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1:10:11Steve Schlafman is a venture capitalist turned transition coach. We talk about lostness, transformation, curiosity, mindfulness practices, his new Downshift program, being a husband and father, and more. — (00:59) Lostness, navigating liminal identity space, personal transformations (18:31) Head and heart, mind and body; intellectualizing emotions …
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Tell Stories that Move Any Audience with Sally Z
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52:32Episode 120. Should you write out your stories? Why should you love the cynics in the room? What are the 3 Ms every story needs? Welcome to The Storypowers Podcast, the show about the power of stories, the people who tell them and why you should be doing it too. I’m your host, keynote speaker and storytelling coach, Francisco Mahfuz. My guest today…
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#054 - Matt Clifford on Talent Investing & AI Uncertainty
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55:11Matt Clifford is a co-founder of Entrepreneur First and leads their AI efforts, as well as chair of ARIA, the UK’s Advanced Research and Invention Agency. We talk about EF, talent investing, ambition, why we don’t have more Thiel Fellowships, his new focus on AI, and AI safety concerns. — (00:59) Talent matters most(03:17) Scarcity of talent x cult…
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Storytelling to Grow Your Audience with Parker Worth
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54:29Episode 119. What types of stories grow your audience? What are proven techniques for writing them on social media? And what’s the deal with Parker’s left armpit?? Welcome to The Storypowers Podcast, the show about the power of stories, the people who tell them and why you should be doing it too. I’m your host, keynote speaker and storytelling coac…
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#053 - Joscha Bach on Modeling Reality & Self-Organizing Software
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1:19:10Joscha Bach is a cognitive scientist and AI researcher. We talk about our relationship with & models of reality, creativity and curiosity, animism and self-organizing software, stages of development, and more. — (01:25) The dream world; how we interact with & perceive reality(03:49) Fear(05:16) Self, consciousness, & awareness(08:10) We're a coarse…
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#052 - Gabe (@VividVoid_) on Identity, Art, Authenticity, & Courage
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1:06:18Gabe (@VividVoid_ on Twitter) is a writer and coach, and former Marine. We talk about inferiority, art, nothingness, spirituality, courage, fear, alignment with The Void, representations of reality, exposure therapy, Quality, and more. — (00:52) You’re not inferior to anyone else (06:14) Art is the byproduct of a spiritual practice (09:28) Authenti…
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#051 - Nathan Baugh on Storytelling, World Building, Fiction, & The Internet
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1:06:58Nathan Baugh writes fiction and the World Builders newsletter. We talk about writing, non-fiction vs. fiction, storytelling and world building devices, Kurt Vonnegut and other authors, getting the most out of technology and the internet, and more. — (00:47) Why writing (02:46) Loops & closing the curiosity gap (04:05) The combination of short form …
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#050 - Billy Oppenheimer on Writing, Research, Boredom, & Putting in The Work
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1:25:06Billy Oppenheimer writes the Six at 6 newsletter, and has been a writing and research assistant for Ryan Holiday, Robert Greene, and Rick Rubin. We talk about research, naive optimism, working for legendary writers and creatives, boredom, his newsletter, curation and creation, how “the work is the win”, and his first book. —(00:52) Naive optimism &…
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#049 - John Coogan on AI, Ozempic for Risk Taking, Tech Media, & Curiosity
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1:07:26John Coogan is the co-founder of Soylent and Lucy, an Entrepreneur-in-Residence at Founders Fund, and a YouTuber and podcaster. We talk about AI, pioneering vs. wire-heading, identifying problems to solve, the need for more risk takers, satisfying curiosity, techno optimism, YouTube and podcasting, and his next venture. — (00:53) “Benevolent murder…
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#048 - Sasha Chapin on Awakening, Meditation & Writing
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50:19Sasha Chapin is a writer, coach, and the co-founder of a fragrance line. We talk about his book, awakening, meditation, Deep Okayness, coaching, writing, fragrance, and more. — (00:54) Writing a book on meditation & awakening(04:30) What is awakening, and is there a “destination”?(07:48) There’s a “manager” in our head(11:56) Aliveness & egoism(13:…
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#047 - Ryan Hashemi on All Things YouTube
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1:23:33Ryan Hashemi is the founder of Hashemi Studios, which helps businesses and creators grow on YouTube, as well as the former Chief Strategy Officer of Jubilee Media, a media company provoking understanding and human connection. Ryan and I talk about the longevity of YouTube, building the “Disney of Empathy”, keys to creating and growing on YouTube, m…
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#046 - Chris Bakke on Memes, Hiring, X, & Startups
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1:16:23Chris Bakke is a serial entrepreneur, most recently selling his company, Laskie, to Elon Musk and X (Twitter). We talk about satire and memes, X/Twitter, authenticity, hiring and the labor marketplace, how Laskie got acquired, criteria for finding problems to solve, passion and pivoting, and creating value. — (01:04) Satire, shitposting & memes; au…
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#045 - Arjun Khemani on Education, Knowledge Creation, & The Internet
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22:43Arjun Khemani is a HS drop out and works at Airchat, an audio messaging network founded by Naval Ravikant and Brian Norgard. Arjun and I talk about education, knowledge creation, Airchat, the power of the internet, and more. Given that Arjun is located in India on a completely opposite time zone, we thought we’d use Airchat to make a unique, experi…
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#044 - Jack Raines on Writing, Finances, Satire, & Regrets
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1:11:42Jack Raines is the writer of the Young Money blog, Editor-in-Chief of Exec Sum, and a Columbia MBA student. We talk about alternative life paths, the importance of travel, how to think about finances, writing, satire, university, prioritizing fun, and his first book that’s in the works. Please enjoy. — (01:42) Alternative life paths and scripts(05:…
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#043 - Michael Mayer on Self-Disgust, Media, Tech, Failure, & Durability
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1:20:01Michael Mayer is the co-founder and CEO of Bottomless and owner of a popular pseudonymous Twitter account. We talk about Twitter and media, habits and cultivating a sense of disgust, failure, technology and startups, distinguishing what’s important from the noise, and more. — (00:56) Caring too much about social media & audiences; taking a year off…
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#042 - Danny McMahon (@Dodford) on Film, Inspiration, Storytelling, & Creativity
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56:38Danny McMahon (@Dodford on YouTube) is a filmmaker and documentarian, known for his portraits of pop culture icons. We talk about filmmaking and art, storytelling and inspiration, simplicity and experimentation, identifying your talent, and psychology. — (00:37) Why documentaries & the ease of remixing (03:11) Profiling inspiring individuals who ov…
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#041 - Rory Sutherland on Perception, Innovation, Creativity, & Change
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1:18:42Rory Sutherland is an author and the Vice Chairman of Ogilvy. We talk about perception vs. technological improvements, creativity, the battle between efficiency and invention, how we’re neither rational nor irrational, changes in advertising and social norms, evolutionary biology, and more. —(00:37) Perceptual arbitrage(08:23) Making space for rand…
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#040 - Kevin Espiritu on Audience-Content Fit, Paradoxes, & Growth
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54:04Kevin Espiritu is the Founder and CEO of Epic Gardening. We talk about content creation, developing your passion, the pareto principle, paradoxes, creating cinematic universes, the global food supply chain, and more. — (00:42) Writing is a foundational skill across content(03:05) To get reps, you have to really want it(05:02) Developing a passion v…
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#039 - Wolf Tivy on New Governance, Higher Callings, & Agency
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1:08:29Wolf Tivy is the Founder and Editor-in-Chief of Palladium Magazine. We talk about governance and building new institutions, religion and higher callings, virtuosity, agency, and more. — (00:16) How do you build a new governing bodies, polities, or political institutions? (18:46) Wolf’s religious underpinnings (31:03) Higher callings & Darwinian vir…
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#038 - Chris Turner on Homeschooling, Learning, Meaningful Work, & Entrepreneurship
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1:10:09Chris Turner is the founder and CEO of Moonrise, a co-learning space for homeschoolers and creative kids. We talk about the public education system, homeschooling, taking kids seriously, the internet as curriculum, skills for navigating the future, finding meaningful work, education startups, technology and design in learning, and more. — (00:48) W…
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#037 - Kyle Harrison on Investing in People, Talent Vortexes, Writing, & Tradition vs Progress
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1:05:15Kyle Harrison is the General Partner at Contrary Capital, as well as a writer. We talk about hype cycles, talent vortexes, investing in people, battles between tradition and progress, building systems, writing, and much more. — (00:46) Acceleration of FOMO and hype cycles in investing(07:04) Being people-centric is contrarian in VC(11:19) Most barr…
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#036 - Jackson Dahl on Compulsion, Futurism, Art, Curators, & Community
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1:22:22Jackson Dahl is a venture capitalist and was on the founding team of esports company 100 Thieves. We talk about finding your compulsion, oscillating between interest areas, navigating accelerating technological change, the relationships between creators and audiences, building community online and in-person, and art and creativity. — (00:50) Identi…
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