Lessons from a Middle School Counselor: Insights from Phyllis Fagell

The Self-Driven Child

Ever wondered why middle school can feel like a turbulent ride not just for kids, but for parents too? In this episode, we dive deep into the world of middle schoolers with our special guest, Phyllis Fagell. Phyllis, a seasoned middle school counselor, shares her unique insights into the complexities of adolescence, identity formation, and the pivotal role that parents and educators play.
Whether you're a parent, educator, or simply curious about the intricacies of this developmental stage, this episode offers a fresh perspective. Phyllis debunks some common misconceptions about the middle school experience and provides valuable strategies to navigate this often misunderstood phase.
Timeline Summary
[0:00] How to talk with kids to build motivation, stress tolerance, and a happy home.
[6:38] Middle school is a phase of enormous growth and development, not suffering.
[10:51] What should we look for when we see bullying.
[15:00] Being different makes you a target in middle school, it’s associated with bullying.
[20:52] How to talk to your kids so they don’t feel like they’re disappointed in you.
[22:47] Where do we get the crazy idea that in order to help kids do better, we have to make them feel worse?
[26:21] What is it about the brains of kids at this age?
[33:52] When children identify with a core value, it improves academic performance in a way that persists.
[37:43] The importance of having male influences in a boy’s life.
[43:03] Why is it so hard for parents and schools to help kids with racial and ethnic differences?
[48:46] What’s the difference between a real apology vs. a “sorry”?
[57:03] Why is it so hard for parents to love their kids for who they are?
Links & Resources
- Phyllis's website: phyllisfagell.com
- Phyllis's book, Middle School Matters: phyllisfagell.com/middle-school-matters/
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