Tap Into Fast Flow with Team Topologies & Platform Engineering • Manuel Pais & Julian Wood

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Manuel Pais - Co-Author of the Book "Team Topologies"
Julian Wood - Serverless Developer Advocate at AWS
RESOURCES
Manuel
https://x.com/manupaisable
https://www.manuelpais.net
https://www.linkedin.com/in/manuelpais
https://github.com/manupaisable

Julian
https://bsky.app/profile/julianwood.com
https://twitter.com/julian_wood
http://www.wooditwork.com
https://www.linkedin.com/in/julianrwood

Links
https://teamtopologies.com
https://academy.teamtopologies.com
https://www.teamperature.com
https://itrevolution.com
https://matthewskelton.com

DESCRIPTION
Manuel Pais, co-author of Team Topologies, shares his journey in shaping modern organizational design for fast-flow efficiency with Julian Wood. Reflecting on the widespread impact of the book, Manuel explores how its principles have enabled organizations to redefine team structures, streamline value delivery, and balance cognitive load.
The discussion covers communication challenges, the evolution of platform engineering, and strategies for iterative team reorganization. Manuel also addresses the growing influence of AI in software development, emphasizing the need for human oversight, strategic alignment with value streams, and enabling teams to harness AI effectively. With insights from real-world implementations and evolving trends, this episode provides a comprehensive guide to building adaptable, customer-focused, and innovative organizations.
RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Matthew Skelton & Manuel Pais • Team Topologies
Susanne Kaiser • Adaptive Systems With Domain-Driven Design, Wardley Mapping & Team Topologies
Heidi Helfand • Dynamic Reteaming
Gene Kim, Kevin Behr & George Spafford • The Phoenix Project
Gene Kim, Nicole Forsgren & Jez Humble • Accelerate
Gene Kim, Jez Humble, Patrick Debois, John Willis & Nicole Forsgren • The DevOps Handbook
Jonathan Smart • Sooner Safer Happier

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Chapters

1. Intro (00:00:00)

2. 5 Years of Team Topologies (00:01:22)

3. Bridging communication gaps with Team Topologies (00:06:57)

4. Unlocking fast flow by managing cognitive load (00:14:42)

5. The role of full-stack devs in high-performing teams (00:21:26)

6. Building effective platforms (00:25:10)

7. Starting small for sustainable organizational change (00:33:48)

8. Common pitfalls in implementing "Team Topologies" (00:38:26)

9. The impact of AI on software development & Team Topologies (00:42:49)

10. Building organizational capability for AI in software development (00:48:20)

11. Outro (00:50:56)