True Christian living is when we see our apprenticeship to Jesus as an all-of-life endeavor, where work, family, ministry, and community are cohesively knit together into one journey, on one mission. Join us as we have conversations, teach, and interview other leaders on how to think differently about life as a Jesus follower.
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How do we live with a greater level of intentionality in our apprenticeship to Jesus? The Practicing the Way podcast is the new podcast by Practicing the Way. Each season includes conversations about apprenticeship to Jesus in the modern world. In season one, John Mark Comer and Tyler Staton explore key themes from John Mark’s book Practicing the Way, now available wherever books are sold. John Mark and Tyler discuss apprenticeship to Jesus, what it means in everyday terms to be with him, be ...
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We're all about sharing the stories of those who are on the journey to paid gospel work. Whoever aspires to be an overseer desires a noble task (1 Timothy 3:1). Instagram: @theaspirepod
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Duncan Robinson on Why Bivocational Ministry Must Be Considered
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51:03Duncan Robinson is the senior pastor of Northgate Church in Belrose, Sydney. Duncan was the host of HOPE 103.2’s breakfast show for several years.
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Chris Ekins on Getting Rejected by Bible College 3 Times, Bible College at 21, Youth Ministry & Coastal Church Planting
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41:06Chris Ekins is the lead pastor and church planter of Coast EC in Forster, on NSW’s Mid-North Coast. We spoke with Chris about his story, but also the themes of: -getting rejected by bible college three times -what bible college was like at 21 -church planting on the mid-north coast -the need for more church planting in Australia.…
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Dave Jensen on What is Critical When it Comes to Evangelistic Ministry, Finding Jesus in the Army at 28, What Mission Pastors Do (or Should Do)
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54:17Dave Jensen works as an evangelist for Evangelism and New Churches, as a part of the Anglican Diocese of Sydney. In this wide-ranging interview we chatted with Dave about how he found Christ in the army at age 28, and how he went on to become an evangelist. We also chatted more practically about what evangelists and mission pastors actually do, and…
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Julie-anne Laird on How She Found out She was an Evangelist, Why We Need more Evangelists, Doing Evangelism as a Job
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36:38Julie-anne Laird is an evangelist who works with City to City Australia. She also helps lead Lausanne Australia. We spoke with Julie-anne about: -how she found out she had the gift of evangelism -moving from loving evangelism to doing it as a job -having clearer pathways for evangelists -why we need more evangelists…
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Steve McAlpine on Having your Eyes Open in Gospel Ministry, Justified by Jesus not by Ministry Success, Church Planting Highs and Lows
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46:21Steve McAlpine has been a pastor, church planter, writer and cultural commentator. We spoke with Steve about: -how he accidentally landed in ministry at first! -church planting highs and lows - both in the UK and in Western Australia. -locking away your justification early in ministry - how we need to remember we are justified not by our ministry s…
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Dan Paterson on the Dangers and Opportunities of Itinerant Gospel Ministry, Being Afraid of Public Speaking, What Evangelistic Ministry Actually Looks Like
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40:44Dan Patterson is an evangelist, preacher and communicator who shares the gospel across Australia in a range of settings. We spoke about going to seminary at 19, and how he was originally afraid of public speaking. We reflected on the dangers and opportunities of itinerant gospel ministry, and how he landed in that type of ministry. We also spoke ab…
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Karl Deenick on Am I a Pastoral Person? Finding the 'Right Fit' of Ministry Work, Academic vs Pastoral Ministry
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36:14We are back for 2025! Karl Deenick is a lecturer in theology and pastoral ministry at Sydney Missionary and Bible College. We spoke with Karl about his journey through engineering, into pastoral ministry, and then into theological lecturing. We spoke about his wrestle with the question: does he love the word of God and the people of God? In other w…
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In this bonus episode from the Practicing the Way podcast, John Mark sits down with author Andy Crouch to discuss building a communal Rule of Life, the myth of “accidental saints”, and the three threats to following the way of Jesus in our modern era: liquidity, the algorithm, and media. Subscribe to the podcast to stay up to date on future episode…
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In Episode 05 of the Practicing the Way podcast, John Mark and Tyler Staton provide the framework for approaching a Rule of Life not as practices to control our spiritual growth, but as a way to intentionally present ourselves to the Spirit and open our lives to his work. This podcast accompanies the book Practicing the Way. Subscribe to the podcas…
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In Episode 04 of season 1 of the Practicing the Way podcast, John Mark and Tyler Staton explore how to approach everyday moments with the same power and perspective that guided Jesus. As we create space for the Spirit to form us, we increasingly respond as Jesus would within our unique vocations, relationships, and life situations. This podcast acc…
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In Episode 03 of the Practicing the Way podcast, John Mark Comer and Tyler Staton argue that every person is a product of spiritual formation, regardless of what they believe, and describe ways to present ourselves to God to be counter-formed in the Way of Jesus. This podcast accompanies the book Practicing the Way. Subscribe to the podcast to stay…
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In Episode 02: Be with Jesus, John Mark Comer and Tyler Staton discuss the ways seemingly abstract spiritual realities — such as abiding in Jesus and following him — are lived out in everyday life and how to consciously commune with Jesus in a culture that seeks to curate our attention. This podcast accompanies the book Practicing the Way. Subscrib…
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In Episode 01: Apprentice to Jesus, John Mark Comer and Tyler Staton define what it means to be an apprentice of Jesus in contrast to current understandings of the term “Christian” in Western culture, why apprenticeship is so desperately needed, and the myth of radical individualism. This podcast accompanies the book Practicing the Way. Subscribe t…
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Kathy Dadd on the Urgent Need for Bible Translation amongst First Nations Peoples
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29:38Kathy Dadd is a Bible Translator for Wycliffe Bible Translators in the Northern Territory.
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Anna and Josh Hoole on Dating & Marriage while Pursuing Ministry, Serving the Less Reached, Uni Apprenticeships & Why Learn in Community
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32:58**Anna not Hannah, sorry for the gaffe! ** Sylv and Paddy had a fab chat with Josh and Anna about: When paid gospel ministry was never on the radar Serving the less reached The value of AFES ministry apprenterships Getting married!? Dating & Marriage while pursuing paid gospel ministry Their experience at Moore College Why they love learning in com…
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Jeri Jones Sparks on Obstacles for Women in Ministry, Overcoming Skepticism, Evangelism in Australia
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45:56Jeri Jones Sparks is an Assistant Minister at St. James Croydon.
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A bonus mini-series called "Book Club", where Sylv and Aaron reflect honestly and openly about their own paid gospel ministry journeys through the lens of Ray Galea's new book, "Eager to Serve".
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How + Why does Gospel Ministry become Paid?
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45:06A bonus mini-series called "Book Club", where Sylv and Aaron reflect honestly and openly about their own paid gospel ministry journeys through the lens of Ray Galea's new book, "Eager to Serve".
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A bonus mini-series called "Book Club", where Sylv and Aaron reflect honestly and openly about their own paid gospel ministry journeys through the lens of Ray Galea's new book, "Eager to Serve".
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What’s Stopping You from Going into Paid Gospel Ministry?
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45:42A bonus mini-series called "Book Club", where Sylv and Aaron reflect honestly and openly about their own paid gospel ministry journeys through the lens of Ray Galea's new book, "Eager to Serve".
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A bonus mini-series called "Book Club", where Sylv and Aaron reflect honestly and openly about their own paid gospel ministry journeys through the lens of Ray Galea's new book, "Eager to Serve".
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A bonus mini-series called "Book Club", where Sylv and Aaron reflect honestly and openly about their own paid gospel ministry journeys through the lens of Ray Galea's new book, "Eager to Serve".
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A bonus mini-series called "Book Club", where Sylv and Aaron reflect honestly and openly about their own paid gospel ministry journeys through the lens of Ray Galea's new book, "Eager to Serve".
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Owen Robson on Anglican Ordination & Parish Ministry, Should I do an Apprenticeship before Bible College? Pros of Learning in Cohorts
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29:58Owen Robson is a Student Minister at St Paul's Canterbury. A new series is coming up reflecting on Ray Galea's new book "Eager to Serve". Check out our Instagram for our giveaway!
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Megan Stevens on Dealing with Burnout, Is Kids Ministry a Gender Stereotype? Managing Part Time Financial Pressures, Female Ministry Opportunities
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43:23Megan Stevens is the Children’s Ministry Director at Vine Church.
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Joel McMaster on Digital Pastoring, How Young People Often Aren't Listened to in the Church, Friendship as the Foundation of Ministry, Why be Authentic in Ministry
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59:42Joel McMaster is the Digital Pastor at Soul Revival Church, in the Southerland Shire of Sydney. ** After a bit of a hiatus (Aaron church planting craziness/fun haha, Paddy overseas/leave, Sylv blitzing all that she does..) we are back! We will aim to be a lot more regular over the second half of this year. We'll aim to be fortnightly/monthly with a…
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Mitch Dunne on Overcoming the Cycle of Doubt, Unshakeable Holy Spirit Conviction, 5 Year Work Preparation, Weighing Up the Financial Cost
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34:57'Students of SMBC' - a mini-series exploring what it is like to be at one particular bible college in Sydney, Australia. Meet some of the people, their stories, their longings, and their questions.
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Amy Townsend on Avoiding Unhelpful Ministry Stereotypes, Sacrificing Other Ambitions & Should I be Paid for Gospel Work?
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33:45'Students of SMBC' – a mini-series exploring what it is like to be at one particular bible college in Sydney, Australia. Meet some of the people, their stories, their longings, and their questions.
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Sylv Barry on the Lack of Female Ministry Options, Leaving Medical Science, Avoiding Ministry Idolatry, Community Formation
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32:19'Students of SMBC' – a mini-series exploring what it is like to be at one particular bible college in Sydney, Australia. Meet some of the people, their stories, their longings, and their questions.
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Dave Matthews on Not Giving Up, Stepping up to meet a Need, Is College a Christian Bubble? Residential College Life
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32:37'Students of SMBC' – A mini-series exploring what it is like to be at one particular bible college in Sydney, Australia. Meet some of the people, their stories, their longings, and their questions.
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Emma* on Is a Profession beforehand always essential? Identifying your Passion, Questioning if Voc. Ministry is for you
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29:27*changed for security reasons 'Students of SMBC' – a mini-series exploring what it is like to be at one particular bible college in Sydney, Australia. Meet some of the people, their stories, their longings, and their questions.
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Nikhil Chaudhary on The Discernment Phase, Need vs Individual Gifting, Hinduism to Christianity, Loving Jesus while Studying About Jesus
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32:01'Students of SMBC' – a mini-series exploring what it is like to be at one particular bible college in Sydney, Australia. Meet some of the people, their stories, their longings, and their questions.
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Rhys Bezzant, Principal of Ridley College on Closed Doors, Calling, How Church History teaches Leadership Lessons, Why Ridley
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33:55The fourth episode of a four-part mini-series hearing from representatives from four different theological colleges.
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Simon Gillham, Vice Principal of Moore College on Discipleship, Regional Church Planting, Cross-Cultural Education in Namibia & Why Moore College
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35:11The third episode of a four-part mini-series hearing from representatives from four different theological colleges.
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Jeff Greenman, President of Regent College on Vocational Discernment, the Arts, Facing Secularism, Why Regent
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32:48The second episode of a four-part mini-series hearing from representatives from four different theological colleges.
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Derek Brotherson, Principal of SMBC on Lawyer to Missionary, Holistic Formation, Why SMBC
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35:58The first episode of a four-part mini-series hearing from representatives from four different theological colleges.
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Bek Underwood is currently aspiring to overseas mission in a restricted access country. We hear about her formative experience at YWAM Kona, moving from lukewarm to real Christianity, dropping out of her university degree, and the importance of surrender. Her story is unique to other episodes in that it is 'live’ or ‘in motion’ - just like most of …
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Simon Smart: History Teacher to Public Theologian
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42:40Simon Smart is the Executive Director of the Centre for Public Christianity. Simon told us about his unexpected journey into vocational public Christian ministry, advice for communicating the Christian faith in our current post-Christian age, and advice for people considering entering public Christian ministry like himself.…
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Kara Hartley is the Archdeacon for Women's Ministry for the Sydney Anglican Diocese. Although she initially thought she wanted to do ministry in Africa, she ended up to her surprise doing ministry in Sydney for 20+ years.
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James Wong: From Prodigal Son to Church Planter
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31:30James Wong is a pastor at Anchor Church Sydney. In James story we explored: How he came back to faith after a Prodigal season How a fire in his heart grew on a Northern New South Wales beach mission Weighing up a career in business, doing an internship at a top marketing firm with a graduate role lined up, before changing plans at the last minute I…
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Emma Sibley: Assistant Youth Minister at 20 years old!
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31:22Emma Sibley is an Assistant Youth Minister at St Paul’s Castle Hill. Emma Sibley jumped into becoming an Assistant Youth Minister at Paul’s Castle Hill at 20 years old. In Emma’s story we explored: Why she never expected to go into ministry Studying high school teaching & considering overseas mission Formative time doing The Bridge gap year Trustin…
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Ying Yee: From "Doing a Jonah" to Pastoral Ministry
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49:55Ying Yee is the Pastor of Chinese Christian Church (CCC), Milson’s Point. He has been the pastor there for 30 years. In Ying’s story we explored: How Ying “did a Jonah” to eventually return to convictions about ministry Working in Taxation to needing to iron out some character issues The challenges of overcoming his parents disapproval Why the idea…
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Kellie Nicholas: From Struggling High School Language Student to Missionary in Japan
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44:45Kellie Nicholas is a cross-cultural missionary to Japan. She has spent 4 terms in Japan. She has been sent and supported by CMS (Church Missionary Society). She studied at Moore Theological College. As we heard her story we spoke about: How learning Japanese in year 10 (somewhat poorly) led her down an unexpected path What it was like doing a unive…
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Mandy Curley on Navigating the Uncertainty of Having Few Role Models & Leaving the Job She Loved
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47:16In this final interview of Season 1, we hear the story of Mandy Curley - the Director of Membership at Christ Church Gladesville. Mandy shares the path of working in government, having a lack of female role models, loving her secular job, and wondering what type of ministry job she should do, that were all apart of her road into ministry. Timestamp…
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Mikey Lynch on "Young Guns", Jumping from an Arts Degree to Full-Time Ministry & Discerning your Ambitions
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49:53In this fifth episode, we hear the story of Mikey Lynch, a campus director & church planting director in Tasmania. Mikey shares about his university conversion, his experiences of jumping into a ministry role straight after his arts degree, how he discerned his ambitions, and how he ended up in church planting and university ministry. Timestamps: M…
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Shem Jeevaratnam on Loosing the Prestige of your Career, Part Time vs Full Time Study & Intentionality
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50:36In this fourth episode, we do something different. We hear the story of someone who is not already in full-time ministry but someone who is in the process of aspiring towards ministry. Shem Jeevaratnam, is one such story! Shem is currently a corporate lawyer and is studying part-time at SMBC while she considers transitioning into full-time ministry…
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David Fell on Calling vs Conviction, Reluctant Parents & MTS
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51:28In this third episode, we hear the story of David Fell a chaplain to Norfolk Island, an island 1800 kilometres off Australia's mainland. Dave shares the path of early childhood convictions, recruitment consulting, MTS, and reluctant parents-in-law that were a part of his road into ministry. He shares wisdom on how to navigate resistant parents, how…
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Anna Beaver on Is work necessary before ministry?, The role of mentors, Planning your next moves
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47:19In this second episode, we hear the story of Anna Beaver, a former Sydney University Evangelical Union staff worker now looking to do mission overseas. Anna shares the path of secondary teaching, key mentors, a 3-year plan & financial temptations that were apart of her road into ministry. She shares wisdom on how to overcome frustrations with work …
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Nathan Campbell on Not Stressing about the "Right" Ministry Decision, God's Sovereignty in Unexpected Circumstances
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50:34In this first episode, we hear the story of Nathan Campbell, the Night Church Minister of St Matthews Manly. Nathan shares the path of stress, worry, conviction, and unexpected circumstances that led him into ministry. He shares wisdom for overcoming challenges in ministry and advice he would give to people who tend to stress about whether to do mi…
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Chris and Justine Cirullo unpack what it means to build a multi-generational family team on mission.
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