Welcome to The Full Desk Experience, a podcast for leaders in the staffing and recruiting industry. Hosted by Kortney Harmon, Director of Industry Relations at Crelate, this show is designed to provide insights and tips from a highly knowledgeable consultant in the field. Join us live (or catch the replay) in our Workshop series, where Kortney delivers expert advice and actionable tips for you to take to your firms immediately. In the Industry Spotlight series, Kortney interviews industry ex ...
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Madison and Wall's Brian Wieser digs nto how the advertising business really works. Subscribe for analysis, insight and more about advertising, media and technology trends. Access more M&W research summaries and analysis by subscribing to our complimentary Saturday newsletter at https://madisonandwall.substack.com/. To learn about becoming a paid subscriber or advertising with us, reach out to Brian at [email protected].
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Join hosts Philip Basnight and Alex Vidales as they explore Washington, D.C.’s rich rock history. Each episode uncovers iconic albums and overlooked gems, featuring stories behind the music, the artists, and the evolving local scene. Whether you’re a longtime fan or new to the city’s musical legacy, this podcast shines a light on the sounds that shaped rock in the nation’s capital. email: [email protected]
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Ep. 48: M&A in Broadcasting and Agencies, Dentsu + Globant 2Q25 Results and CPG Trends
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10:42We review our latest work of the week, which included observations on M&A in broadcasting with Tegna + Nexstar news, M&A in agency land with S4 Capital and MSQ, CPG trends as well as a review of Dentsu and Globant 2Q25 earnings results.By Madison and Wall
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Ep. 47: The Trade Desk, Ad Tech, TV and More Ad Trends For 2Q25
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15:17We review our latest work of the week, which included observations on The Trade Desk, ad tech, TV ad trends and much more from the latest results from the advertising industry's second quarter of 2025.By Madison and Wall
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Industry Spotlight | Maximizing AI ROI in Recruiting: Efficiency, Upskilling, and Competitive Advantage with Lauren Jednat
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35:47Welcome back to another episode of The Full Desk Experience! In this Industry Spotlight, host Kortney Harmon sits down with Lauren Jednat to unravel the true impact of AI sourcing agents on the recruiting world. With tales from the trenches and insights from daily conversations with recruiting leaders, Lauren and Kortney dive deep into how AI is au…
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Ep. 46: Meta and Other Company 2Q25 Results + Marketer Commentary Indicate Healthy Ad Market Despite Weakening Economy
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13:42We review our latest work of the week, which included an analysis of the latest results from Meta, Comcast, Pro7Sat1 and others, our take on comments from large marketers' CEOs and CFOs, plus how to interpret Stagwell's latest results and much more.By Madison and Wall
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Ep. 45: Google 2Q25, Marketer Spend Trends, IPG Results and Global TV Advertising
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7:08We review our latest work of the week, which included an analysis of the latest results from Google, comments from large marketers' CEOs and CFOs, IPG's quarterly trends and early reads on the most recent quarter for global TV advertisingBy Madison and Wall
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Industry Spotlight | Aaron Elder - CEO at Crelate - How Early Adopter Recruiting Teams are Pulling Ahead with Agentic AI
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45:02Step confidently into the post-AI era with this episode of The Full Desk Experience. Join CEO Aaron Elder and host Kortney Harmon as they uncover how AI is not just changing, but fundamentally reinventing, the rules of recruiting—transforming processes, expectations, and business models in real time. Key Insights: Discover why every search firm’s t…
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Ep. 44: Tik Tok Letters, Agency Growth, Netflix and More
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11:00We review our latest work of the week, which included an analysis of TikTok's letter to the Canadian government and incomplete claims of economic benefits, the latest agency growth trends following Omnicom and Publicis earnings, network content spending trends in context of the end of Stephen Colbert's Late Show and Netflix's ongoing growth + more.…
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Ep. 43: WPP's New CEO, 2Q25 Indie Agency Growth Trends and More
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11:18This week we review our latest work exploring last week's earnings warning from WPP and its subsequent CEO appointment as well as our latest analysis of growth trends for independent agencies.By Madison and Wall
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FDE Express | Is Your Recruiting Team Falling Behind in the Post-AI Era?
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17:39In this FDE Express episode, we’re having a direct, no-nonsense conversation about where recruiting teams really stand in the “post-AI era.” With AI moving from buzzword to business essential, there’s a growing divide between firms still debating AI and those already reaping huge efficiency gains. Kortney will break down what the post-AI era actual…
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Ep. 42: Global Digital Services Taxes, Tarrifs' Impact on Marketing and More
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7:58This week we review our latest work exploring digital services taxes in context of Canada-US trade disputes, the latest commentary from marketers' CEOs and CFOs on the impact of tarrifs on their businesses and more.By Madison and Wall
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Ep. 41: RTL, TF1 and Corus vs. Amazon, Disney and Netflix, Politics in Agency + More
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7:50In this week's episode of the Madison and Wall podcast we review our latest work, including a review of the strategic choices broadcasters such as Canada's Corus, France's TF1 and Germany's RTL are making in the face of growing competition from streamers as well as the political reality facing global agency holding companies in the wake of last wee…
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FDE Express | Search is Dead: Why Traditional Recruiting Method's Won't Work in the Post-AI Era
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15:17Step into the future of recruiting with this episode. Whether you're a recruiting leader, firm owner, or decision-maker, this episode is for those who are determined to keep their firms thriving in a rapidly changing, AI-driven landscape. Host Kortney Harmon cuts through the noise to reveal why clinging to yesterday’s metrics and technology isn’t j…
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Ep. 40 AI's Impact on Agencies, Accenture Reorg, AdTech Everywhere at Cannes
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7:50In this week's episode of the Madison and Wall podcast we review our latest work, including publications on the impact of AI on agencies, news from Accenture related to its presence in media and corportate reorganization and several news items from ad tech relevant to the broader advertising industry.…
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No Trend - "Too Many Humans.../ Teen Love" with Chris Richards
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1:02:15In this episode, we explore Too Many Humans and Teen Love, the 1983 release from No Trend that challenged both punk and mainstream sensibilities in DC’s underground scene. No Trend was from from Ashton, Maryland consisting of Jeff Mentges (vocals), Frank Price (guitar), Bob Strasser (bass), and Michael Salkind (drums). They took a confrontational a…
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Ep. 39: WPP CEO Change, Agency Industry Forecast, Warner Media Split, Bell Media's Ad Tech Partnerships and More
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12:11In this week's episode of the Madison and Wall podcast we review what happens next for WPP in light of its CEO change, our newest advertising agency forecast, Warner Bros. Discovery's break-up, Bell Media’s ad tech partnerships, the future of TV/video buying and more.By Madison and Wall
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Industry Spotlight | Aaron Elder - CEO at Crelate - Thriving in the Post-AI Era of Recruiting
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29:44Get ready to reimagine the future of strategic recruiting. In this pivotal episode of The Full Desk Experience, Crelate CEO Aaron Elder joins host Kortney Harmon to share cutting-edge strategies for thriving in the rapidly evolving, post-AI era—essential listening for owners, directors, and executive-level leaders. Key insights you can’t miss: -The…
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The Slickee Boys - "Cybernetic Dreams of Pi" with Don Zientara
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1:01:30In this episode, we explore Cybernetic Dreams of Pi, the 1983 release from The Slickee Boys that blends garage rock revivalism with punk attitude and sci-fi themes. The Slickee Boys had been a fixture in the DC music scene since the mid-1970s, building a dedicated following with their irreverent stage shows and DIY approach to recording. With a lin…
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Ep. 38: New Ad Forecast! Behind Our 2025 Upgrade
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8:28In this week's episode of the Madison and Wall podcast we review our newest advertising forecast and some of the potential drivers of recent advertising strength in the US. We then explain why despite the upgraded forecast, many risks loom.By Madison and Wall
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Faith / Void Split with Thurston Moore
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1:12:30In this episode, we explore the Faith/Void Split, the legendary 1982 release from Dischord Records that captures the duality of the early D.C. hardcore scene. Released as Dischord Records #8, the album pairs Faith’s tight, melodic hardcore with Void’s chaotic, genre-defying intensity. Both bands, formed by teenagers, contributed to the diverse evol…
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Ep. 37: Digital Ad Taxes, CPG Trends + What Caused 1Q25's Strength?
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12:28In this week's episode of the Madison and Wall podcast we review new economic news, discuss the impact of taxes on digital advertising, look at CPG industry growth rates and explore factors impacting the most recent quarter's ad market strength.By Madison and Wall
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Industry Spotlight | Elite Recruiting Secrets: Building a Powerhouse of Influence in the Talent Industry with Brent Orsuga, Founder - Pinnacle Growth Advisors
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45:59Ready to take your executive search firm to the next level? In this can't-miss Industry Spotlight episode, host Kortney Harmon sits down with powerhouse Brent Orsuga—founder of Pinnacle Growth Advisors—to unpack the bold strategies and mindsets driving exceptional results in executive search. Key takeaways for executive search leaders: - From Recru…
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Ep. 36: Big, Beautiful Business Deterrents, New Pay TV and Video Data, Publicis Buys Influencer Agency and More
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10:13On this week's M&W Podcast we review our take on the potential consequences for foreign capital investment that may follow from tax policy changes in the US, go over new TV data we published on pay TV subscriptions, video ad loads and video spending and assess the news of Publicis' acquisition of a new influencer agency.…
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Best of FDE | Empowering Talent: Market Shifts, Digital Strategy, and Industry Challenges with Joanie Bily, CEO at EmployBridge
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38:43Get ready for a powerhouse episode featuring highlights from Joanie Bily’s impactful conversation with Kortney Harmon. Dive into proven strategies and actionable insights designed to help executive search leaders stay ahead in a market defined by rapid change, digital innovation, and evolving client demands. In this episode, you’ll discover: - A ca…
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Bad Brains - "Bad Brains" with Bartees Strange
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53:28In this episode, we dive into Bad Brains’ self-titled 1982 classic, which still stands as one of the most explosive albums in punk history. Recorded at 171-A Studios in New York, the album blends elements of hardcore punk and reggae, and is widely regarded as a foundational release in the development of American hardcore. Known for its speed, techn…
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Ep. 35: TV Upfronts, Retail Sales, Netflix Data, Dentsu + Globant and More
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9:40On this week's M&W Podcast review the latest retail sales data and its read-throughs for the economy, Walmart’s advertising business, our take on the Upfronts, Netflix’s latest data point on ad-supported subscribers, the latest results from Dentsu and Globant and more.By Madison and Wall
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Industry Spotlight | Consultative Growth and Branding: How to Stand Out in a Crowded Recruiting Market with Kelli Schutrop, CEO & Founder - Thoughtful Resound
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41:43In this episode of The Full Desk Experience’s Industry Spotlight, guest Kelli Schutrop, CEO and founder of Thoughtful Resound, joins host Kortney Harmon to deliver game-changing insights. Kelli draws on 15+ years in talent acquisition marketing to reveal high-impact branding and growth strategies for firm differentiation and sustainable growth. Key…
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Minor Threat - "First Two 7"s" with Scott Crawford and Eduardo Nunes
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1:03:04In this episode, we dig into Minor Threat and In My Eyes, the two EPs that make up First Two 7”s. Across twelve blistering tracks, Minor Threat laid down the foundation for DC hardcore with a sound that was fast, focused, and unapologetically direct. Our guests are Eduardo Nunes of Discologist and Scott Crawford, the filmmaker behind Salad Days and…
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Ep. 34. Google's Search Durability, Tariffs and Advertising, More 1Q25 Results + Ads101 on Programmatic Advertising With Dentsu's Zac Selby
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23:18On this week's M&W Podcast, we provide our regular take on new economic data, advertising industry earnings results and more. We also summarize our original research of the week. Plus, our Advertising 101 series continues with a focus on digital advertising – and programmatic advertising in particular – with Dentsu Media’s global addressable lead, …
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FDE Industry Spotlight | Redefining Executive Recruiting: Adaptability, Technology, and People-First Leadership with Vaughn Emery, Vice President of Revenue Growth - Duffy Group
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43:07Unlock fresh perspectives on modern executive search operations in this can't-miss episode of The Full Desk Experience. Designed for executive search leaders, owners, and director-level decision makers, this conversation with Vaughn Emery, VP of Revenue Growth at Duffy Group, dives deep into the strategies powering next-level growth in today's recr…
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Government Issue - "Legless Bull" with Paul Vodra
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56:39In this episode, we dive into the early days of Government Issue and their blistering 1981 debut EP Legless Bull. As the fourth release on Dischord Records, this 10-song, 9-minute blast helped define the label’s emerging sound and captured the chaotic energy of a scene in formation. We’re joined by Paul Vodra of Hometown Sounds to unpack how Govern…
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Ep. 33. 1Q25 Ad Results Flurry, A Critique of Mark Zuckerberg’s Take on AI Advertising and GDP + Ads101 on Digital Advertising With Butler/Till's Scott Ensign
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23:28On this week’s M&W Podcast we summarize our take on the latest GDP data, a critique of Mark Zuckerberg’s take on how AI-driven advertising will impact GDP, second quarter ad results and much more. Plus, on this week's podcast, our Advertising 101 series continues with a focus on digital advertising with Scott Ensign, chief strategy officer of indep…
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Actionable Growth Tactics for Executive Search Leaders: Leveraging AI, Metrics, and Culture
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1:18:46Looking to break through to your next revenue milestone or sharpen your firm’s competitive edge? This episode is a must-listen for executive search leaders, owners, and directors ready to thrive—not just survive—in 2025. Key takeaways: AI as a Game-Changer: Hear how integrating AI thoughtfully (while keeping humans in the driver’s seat) is reshapin…
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Urban Verbs - "Urban Verbs" with Andrew Grossman
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52:46In this episode, we dive into the story of the Urban Verbs and their 1980 self-titled debut. One of the earliest bands to bridge punk and art rock in Washington, D.C., Urban Verbs helped set the stage for the city’s evolving underground scene. With sharp guitars, moody synths, and a theatrical presence, they brought a new wave sensibility to a city…
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Ep. 32: Large Marketer Ad Market Commentary, Global Agency Growth Trends for 1Q25 + Comcast and Google Results, Too
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9:00On this week’s M&W Podcast, no Ads 101 - back soon! - we review the meaning of the latest consumer sentiment data for the advertising industry and summarize the work we did this week which included the following pieces: Large Marketer CEO and CFO Commentary for Week Ending April 25, 2025: Capital One, Colgate, Keurig Dr. Pepper, P&G + Unilever IPG'…
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FDE+ Executive Search | The Executive Recruiting Guide to AI Success: Training, Tools, and Transformation with Tricia Tamkin and Jason Thibeault
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56:53Unlock the future of executive search operations with this episode of The Full Desk Experience. Dive into actionable strategies and decision points that will help you harness AI to drive your firm’s growth and competitive advantage. Key highlights: Discover the six essential decisions for integrating AI in your recruiting workflow, from optimizing …
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Teen Idles - "Minor Disturbance" with Rob Harvilla
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1:02:54In this episode, we dive into the beginnings of D.C. hardcore with the Minor Disturbance EP by Teen Idles. This is the very first release on Dischord Records and a flashpoint for a new musical movement. Clocking in at just over ten minutes, this ferocious debut from four D.C. high schoolers helped launch an entire scene, complete with fast riffs, h…
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Ep. 31. Meta and Alphabet Divesitures, Publicis and Omnicom Results, Greg McLelland (M&W's GM of Canada and CRO Advisory Lead)+Ads101 On Digital Advertising With Martin Galvin
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25:39On this week’s M&W Podcast we summarize our take on what happens if Meta and Alphabet are forced by courts to sell parts of their businesses, the latest earnings results from Publicis and Omnicom and hear from Greg McLelland, Madison and Wall's new General Manager of Canada / CRO Advisory Practice Lead. Plus, on this week's podcast, our Advertising…
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FDE+ Executive Search | From Burnout to Breakthrough: Building a Self-Sustaining Recruiting Firm with Mike Gionta, Founder - The RecruiterU
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40:56Unlock the secrets to scaling success in executive search with industry leader Mike Gionta, Founder of The RecruiterU. In this insightful conversation with Kortney Harmon, Mike shares his journey from the early challenges of owning a recruiting firm to building a thriving, self-sustaining business. Whether you're a solo executive search professiona…
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Tiny Desk Unit - "Tiny Desk Unit" with Bob Boilen and Michael Barron
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1:06:30In this episode (our season 2 premiere!!), we explore the boundary-pushing story of Tiny Desk Unit, one of Washington, D.C.’s most innovative and genre-defying bands. Formed in 1979 by a group of downtown artists and music obsessives, the band fused analog synths, angular guitar work, and poetic vocals into something entirely new. Long before NPR’s…
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Ep. 30: Scenario Planning, New Digital Taxes, Pharma Tariffs and Havas' Results. + Ads101 with Keith "Kappy" Kaplan on Outdoor Advertising
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25:41On this week’s M&W Podcast we summarize our analysis of near-term scenarios for the economy and advertising industry, explore what an EU tax on digital advertising would do, what a tarrif on pharmaceutical advertising would do, Havas' latest results and much more. Plus, on this week's podcast, our Advertising 101 series continues with a focus on ou…
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FDE+ Executive Search | Leveraging Content and Social Media to Propel Executive Search Firms with Dandan Zhu, Founder - DG Recruit
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39:17This episode dives into the real challenges recruitment professionals face—like perfectionism—and why consistency and authenticity are key when it comes to content creation. Dandan shares her journey from young recruiter to founder of DG Recruit, offering powerful insights into using social media and content to elevate your executive search practic…
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Live at the DC History Conference with Mark Opsasnick
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1:34:16In this episode (our first-ever live taping!!), we dig into the untold story of Washington, D.C.’s pre-hardcore rock era- from 1950 to 1979—with special guest and legendary D.C. music historian Mark Opsasnick. Recorded live at the DC History Conference, this bonus episode serves as the grand finale of Season 1 and a perfect primer for what’s to com…
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Episode 29: “Liberation Day” For Some, Advertising Tax Day For Others Supports Stagflationary Ad Forecast. Plus Stagwell's Investor Day, Independent Agencies + Ads101 on Local TV/Radio Advertising With ...
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29:32On this week’s M&W Podcast we summarize our analysis of high ad-intensity categories of imports, the specific impact of announced tariff policies on Amazon, Meta and the broader industry, review Stagwell’s investor day and look at new data we published around independent agencies. Plus, on this week's podcast, our Advertising 101 series continues w…
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Industry Spotlight | Navigating Growth: Overcoming Barriers to Scale in Search Firms with Jeff Kaye, Co-Sr. Managing Director, Sanford Rose Associates
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49:18Welcome to another insightful episode of The Full Desk Experience, where we dive deep into the talent industry with top leaders shaping the field. Kortney Harmon is joined by Jeff Kaye, a powerhouse in executive search with leadership roles at Kaye/Bassman, Next Level Exchange, and Sanford Rose Associates. This conversation unpacks the challenges a…
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Episode 28: Risks/Opportunities to Agencies From Tariffs + Ads101 on National/CTV With Todd Gordon
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33:59Each week on the M&W Podcast, we discuss new risks and opportunities for global agencies that follow from US government policies – especially in a world where tariffs on services may become more commonplace – as well as the latest results from S4, M&C Saatchi and more. Plus, on this week's podcast, our Advertising 101 series continues with a focus …
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Industry Spotlight | Navigating Legislative Changes: Strategies for Staffing Firms with Toby Malara, Vice President Government Relations - American Staffing Association
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45:25On this episode, we’re diving deep into the ever-evolving legislative and regulatory landscape shaping the staffing and recruiting industry. Joining us is Toby Malara, Vice President of Government Relations at the American Staffing Association. With over two decades of experience in government affairs and legal counsel, Toby unpacks the latest legi…
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Episode 27: New Ad Forecast! Auto Ad Spend Trends, Accenture Read-Throughs on Agencies + Ads 101 on Media Research With Stacey Schulman
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27:33Each week on the M&W Podcast, we discuss Madison & Wall’s latest research and explore how and why money flows through the advertising economy. On this week's podcast we review our newest advertising forecast, our recent research on the recent history of automotive advertising and provide read-throughs for the agency and advertising industries from …
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Episode 27: New Ad Forecast! Auto Ad Spend Trends, Accenture Read-Throughs on Agencies + Ads 101 on Media Research With Stacey Schulman
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27:33Each week on the M&W Podcast, we discuss Madison & Wall’s latest research and explore how and why money flows through the advertising economy. On this week's podcast we review our newest advertising forecast, our recent research on the recent history of automotive advertising and provide read-throughs for the agency and advertising industries from …
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Industry Spotlight | Breaking Recruitment Stereotypes: Embrace Digital Marketing with Clark Wilcox, Founder - Digital Recruiter
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59:39Kortney Harmon sits down with Clark Wilcox, founder of The Digital Recruiter, to explore the transformative power of LinkedIn in modern sales marketing strategies—especially for recruiting businesses. Together, they dive into the benefits of LinkedIn as the top B2B platform, the evolution of digital recruiting, and how recruiters can leverage moder…
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Episode 26: Consumer Sentiment Down, Muted Political Ad Spend and New Video Services Trends + Ads 101 on Planning With Scott Wensman
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24:11Each week on the M&W Podcast, we discuss Madison & Wall’s latest research and explore how and why money flows through the advertising economy. On this week's podcast we look at the latest data on consumer sentiment, 2024's muted political advertising spending, our latest analysis on video services spending and cord cutting as well as Kantar's pendi…
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