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Hi. My name is Mike Maeshiro. I'm a gay, deconstructed former Christian minister. I wanted a place where I wasn't teaching and more inviting my audience on the journey with me in a candid and exploratory way. So I started this podcast. I hope my journey is helpful for you. With curiosity and a critical mind, let's dive in. Music by Alex_MakeMusic
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Church scandals, conmen, cults and charlatans. Deconversion "Therapy" Podcast is your place to laugh about shady televangelists to Christian rock concerts where no one is allowed to dance.
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In The Refined Collective podcast, host and author of Sexless in the City, Kat Harris creates a safe space to have honest conversations around faith, sexuality, relationships, politics, identity, Christian culture, deconstruction, and more. *What does the Bible really say about sex? *How does our faith impact our politics? *Is Christianity at odds with science? *Is the Bible still relevant? From purity culture, to deconstruction, dating apps, and LGTBQ+ issues—there’s no topic that’s off the ...
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Season 5: Episode 23 Jump in the back seat and listen in as Mike and his friend, Kristina record a candid and very real conversation about dating in 2025. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Everything Numa⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Kristina Hart
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Season 5: Episode 21 It is important to celebrate the things we want to remember and the people that we value. Pride month facilitates a collective agreement to take this time of the year and celebrate and prioritize the liberation and well-being of the queer community while also continuing to advocate for the work still to be done. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Everyt…
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Season 5: Episode 17 This last week Mike shared a post of a woman leaving a transphobic political event being harassed and bullied. That post ignited a lot of passion and controversy. In this episode, Mike speaks with author and follower of Love, Tamice Spencer-Helms about the fallout and necessity for standing in empathy. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Everything Numa⁠⁠ ⁠T…
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Season 5: Episode 14 Rev. Brandan Robertson is a noted author, activist, and theologian known for his work at the intersections of spirituality, sexuality, and social justice. As Pastor of Sunnyside Reformed Church in New York City and founder of The Devout Foundation, he has become a leading voice in progressive Christianity. With over 250,000 fol…
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Season 5: Episode 12 Before coming out and deconstructing, Mike was known as an expert in the discerning of spirts. It's a topic that he has avoided talking about despite many people's curiosity regarding his current understanding. In this episode, Mike opens the door to the possibility of exploring this further post evangelicalism. Everything Numa…
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Season 5: Episode 11 Dr. Michael Simmons is the founder of Inner Work Community LLC, an online collective of psycho-spiritual healers. He is a Shadow Work Coach with over a decade of experience initiating people into their inner landscape, and liberating them to embrace their authentic life. Everything Numa…
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Season 5: Episode 5 Jubilee Dawn joins Mike to share her story of an unsolicited Shawn Bolz prophecy that propelled her life into the darkest of places, and the healing journey that she has found on the other side.Trigger warnings: Spiritual abuse, domestic violence, suicide ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Everything Numa⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Jubilee…
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Season 5: Episode 4 Mike brings back special guest, reality star, Colton Underwood (The Bachelor, Coming Out Colton) to discuss the IVF journey, dating and to answer questions from followers. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Everything Numa⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠Daddyhood Podcast:Colton's Instagram
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Season 5: Episode 3 In this current political environment, navigating relationships with MAGA family members can be difficult and disheartening. Mike's sister, Mika, joins him to discuss their journey in navigating the toxicity of having MAGA parents and to announce a new group launching soon: Disloyal. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Everything Numa⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠…
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Season 4: Episode 44 In this series, Mike celebrates authors. People who have a message and a story to share and who have done the hard work to get their message out there. In this episode, Mike interviews Laura Anderson, PhD, MA, Author of ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠When Religion Hurts You.⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Everything Numa⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠…
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Season 4: Episode 43 In this series, Mike celebrates authors. People who have a message and a story to share and who have done the hard work to get their message out there. In this episode, Mike interviews JS Park, Author of ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠As Long As You Need: Permission to Grieve. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Everything Numa⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠…
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Season 4: Episode 42 In this series, Mike celebrates authors. People who have a message and a story to share and who have done the hard work to get their message out there. In this episode, Mike interviews Ryan Canty, Author of ⁠⁠Deweaponize: Re-examining how we read the Bible in pursuit of a more Christlike interpretation⁠. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠…
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Season 4: Episode 41 In this series, Mike celebrates authors. People who have a message and a story to share and who have done the hard work to get their message out there. In this episode, Mike interviews Jenai Auman, Author of ⁠Othered.⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Everything Numa⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Queer and Affirming Writer'…
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Season 4: Episode 40 In this series, Mike celebrates authors. People who have a message and a story to share and who have done the hard work to get their message out there. In this episode, Mike interviews Matthias Roberts, Author of ⁠⁠Beyond Shame: Creating a Healthy Sex Life on Your Own Terms and Holy Runaways: Rediscovering Faith after Being Bur…
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Season 4: Episode 39 In this series, Mike celebrates authors. People who have a message and a story to share and who have done the hard work to get their message out there. In this episode, Mike interviews Brit Barron, Author of ⁠⁠Do You Still Talk to Grandma? When the Problematic People in Our Lives Are the Ones We Love. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠…
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Season 4: Episode 38 In this series, Mike celebrates authors. People who have a message and a story to share and who have done the hard work to get their message out there. In this episode, Mike interviews April Ajoy, Author of Star-Spangled Jesus. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Everything Numa⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Queer and Affirming W…
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Season 4: Episode 37 Lately Mike has been sharing more gym selfies and body photos. In this episode, he shares his journey from purity culture to gym selfies. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Everything Numa⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠God Made Me Gay - Substack⁠⁠⁠⁠
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Season 4: Episode 36 Journal Entries: Reflections Around Politics. It's an election year and that means some crazy stuff is about to happen! This series will show up, as needed, to pull apart, poke at, and examine political adjacent happenings. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Everything Numa⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠God Made Me Gay - Substack⁠⁠⁠⁠…
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Season 4: Episode 33 In this episode, Mike brings back the guest from the most popular episode in 2023. Tyler Williamson shares more specific information and details about the spiritual abuse he endured while working in multiple ministries. This is part 2 of a 2 part interview. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Everything Numa⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠…
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Season 4: Episode 32 In this episode, Mike brings back the guest from the most popular episode in 2023. Tyler Williamson shares more specific information and details about the spiritual abuse he endured while working in multiple ministries. This is part 1 of a 2 part interview. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Everything Numa⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠…
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Season 4: Episode 30 Jump in the back seat and listen in as Mike and his friend, Mica record a candid and very real conversation. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Everything Numa⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
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Season 4: Episode 29 In this follow-up to the series Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents, Mike talks about his most recent visit with his parents and if the book changed how he experiences them. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Everything Numa⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
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Season 4: Episode 28 In this episode Mike interviews Sarah Heath and Keri Ladouceur—women who have been in evangelical leadership—regarding their experiences and perspectives navigating straight white men in those same spaces. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Everything Numa⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Sarah Heath: Instagram Keri Ladouceur: Instagram…
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Season 4: Episode 27 Journal Entries: Reflections Around Politics. It's an election year and that means some crazy stuff is about to happen! This series will show up, as needed, to pull apart, poke at, and examine political adjacent happenings. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Everything Numa⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠…
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Season 4: Episode 26 In this extension of the previous episode, Mike interviews Nate, Mya's straight husband who has walked alongside Mya in her sexual orientation discovery and coming out within their straight marriage. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Rainbow Room
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PRIDE is over. But that doesn't mean we're done listening to people who survived evangelicalism and are now thriving as out LGBT people. Listen in on Karen's conversation with Mike Maeshiro, a former instructor at Bethel School of Supernatural Ministry and his journey to being an out gay man. Find out more about him at https://www.mikemaeshiro.com/…
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