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A Million Tiny Whispers: The Psychology of AI Discovery & Digital PR with Logan Freedman
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1:13:11In this episode of The Long Game Podcast, Alex Burkett interviews Logan Freeman, Global Head of SEO at ManyChat. Together they explore the evolving landscape of SEO in the AI era, particularly the rise of GEO (Generative Engine Optimization) and how it’s changing everything from keyword strategy to attribution modeling. Logan shares tactical approa…
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Kitchen Side: Can vs Should in Automation
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54:37In this Kitchen Side episode of The Long Game Podcast, the Omniscient Digital team reflects on one key question: “What should we automate?” The discussion unfolds into a broader examination of agency culture, strategic thinking, and the nuanced costs of automation. They share personal experiments—from HARO email parsing to multi-agent PR systems—an…
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Kitchen Side: Boots, Bots & Brand Gravity
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53:22In this Kitchen Side episode of The Long Game Podcast, Alex Birkett and David Ly Khim reflect on the parallels between craftsmanship in daily life and high-quality marketing in the age of AI. They critique the growing dominance of low-effort, mass-generated content and advocate for a return to thoughtful creation—whether that’s cooking a meal, writ…
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Scrappy to Strategic: Erik Episcopo on Building SEO Systems, Navigating AI Shifts, and a Growth Mindset
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55:48In this episode of The Long Game Podcast, David Khim interviews Erik Episcopo, SEO Manager at Wiz, one of the fastest-growing cloud security companies (recently acquired by Google). Erik shares his unconventional career path, from answering a Craigslist ad while in Taiwan to building high-scale SEO programs at CrowdStrike and Wiz. They discuss what…
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Kitchen Side: From Traffic to Influence - Marketing in the Age of AI (and AI Mode)
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54:26In this Kitchen Side episode of The Long Game Podcast, the Omniscient Digital team dives into Google's new “AI Mode” for search and the broader implications of generative AI across content marketing and SEO. They explore the shift toward conversational, zero-click search experiences, the erosion of attribution data, and how marketers need to adapt …
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Navigating the AI Hype: The Opportunity for Marketers, Optimizing for LLMs, Specific Use Cases, and Making AI More Accessible
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1:12:36In this episode of The Long Game Podcast, David Khim interviews Britney Muller—SEO scientist, AI educator, and former Hugging Face marketing lead—about the practical side of AI in marketing. Britney shares how her obsession with machine learning began in 2014 and how it evolved into creating her course Actionable AI for Marketers. They discuss the …
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Kitchen Side: Generative Engine Optimization
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59:38Key Takeaways What Is GEO?: Generative engine optimization refers to tailoring your content for AI-powered answer engines like ChatGPT and Claude—not just traditional search engines. From Keywords to Context: Search is shifting from keyword-based queries to conversational inputs and contextual, semantic understanding. Brand Mentions as the New Back…
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Kitchen Side: Spryng Reflections, Connection, Community, and Soul
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48:17In this Kitchen Side episode of The Long Game Podcast, the Omniscient Digital team reflects on their experiences at SPRYNG, a standout B2B marketing conference in Austin. The conversation blends AI experimentation, prompt engineering, and the future of creativity with philosophical reflections on human connection, authenticity, and the soul of mark…
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Person-Based Marketing, MQLs, Ice Baths, and GTM Alignment with Alice Wyatt
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1:49:00In this episode of The Long Game Podcast, Alex Birkett interviews Alice Wyatt, a B2B fintech marketing leader with experience at Codat, Bloomreach, and Adyen. Alice shares how her personal journey of building community and maintaining sanity in a fast-paced city like New York connects with her marketing philosophy: agile, people-first, and impact-d…
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Molly St. Louis on Creativity, Theatrical Storytelling, and Bold Campaigns
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1:25:46In this episode of The Long Game Podcast, Alex Birkett sits down with Molly St. Louis, an award-winning multimedia marketer with experience in PR, content, and video strategy. Molly shares her journey from theater and journalism to leading marketing at high-growth startups, explaining how storytelling, creativity, and entertainment principles can e…
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Kitchen Side: Live in New York! - Part 2
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1:24:18In this Kitchen Side episode of The Long Game Podcast, Alex, David, and Allie continue their in-person discussion in New York City, diving into marketing trends, proprietary data, and the role of differentiation in an AI-dominated landscape. They examine the shifting value of MQLs, how AI is automating SEO and marketing tasks, and why trust and cre…
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In this Kitchen Side episode of The Long Game Podcast, Alex, David, and Allie record their first in-person conversation in New York City. The episode revolves around insights gathered from dozens of marketing leaders, discussing SEO traffic declines, AI’s real impact on marketing, attribution challenges, and the balance between brand and demand gen…
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The Behavioral Science Episode with Erik Johnson
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1:08:14In this episode of The Long Game Podcast, Alex Birkett speaks with Erik Johnson, an applied behavioral scientist and founder of Behavioral Strategies. Erik shares insights on human decision-making, habit formation, and the psychological forces influencing our actions. The conversation covers the intention-action gap, AI’s impact on attention and pr…
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Kitchen Side: Boots on the Ground and the Power of Vocabulary and Depth
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1:00:41In this Kitchen Side episode of The Long Game Podcast, Alex Birkett and the team discuss the evolving landscape of content creation, AI-powered tools, and the importance of structured thinking. They dive into how automation is making some SEO and marketing tasks easier while increasing the need for differentiation. The conversation covers how marke…
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Startup Pricing, LLMs, Return of Quality, and Multimedia SEO with Aashish Krishna Kumar (Zuora)
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56:20In this episode of The Long Game Podcast, Alex Birkett speaks with Aashish Krishna Kumar, Director of Go-To-Market at Zuora, about startup pricing strategies, AI-driven changes in SEO, and the increasing importance of high-quality content. Aashish explains why early-stage startups should prioritize survival over pricing optimization and why pricing…
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Content as Product, Mediocre SEO, and Optimism for the Future with Mark Lindquist
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1:06:34In this Kitchen Side episode of The Long Game Podcast, Alex, Allie, and David are joined by Mark Lindquist to discuss the transformation of SEO and content marketing. They delve into the decline of traffic-based metrics, the rise of user-first strategies, and how AI-driven changes are forcing marketers to rethink content creation. Mark emphasizes t…
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Sean Ellis on the Evolution of Growth, PMF, and Testing in the AI Era
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1:04:40In this episode of The Long Game Podcast, Alex Birkett speaks with Sean Ellis, the creator of the term "growth hacking" and a pioneer in startup growth strategies. Sean shares his insights on product-market fit, the fundamentals of sustainable growth, and how AI is reshaping the startup landscape. From his groundbreaking work at Dropbox and Eventbr…
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Alex Talks to Startup Founders About SEO (Founders Common)
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49:27In this special Fireside Chat edition of The Long Game Podcast, Alex Birkett shares insights about building SEO strategies for startups with the Founders Common community. He discusses foundational steps, the evolution of SEO in the era of AI, and innovative approaches like product-led SEO and programmatic strategies. Alex emphasizes the importance…
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Omnichannel Advertising, Attribution, and Unifying Brand & Performance with Katie Arena
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54:08In this episode of The Long Game, Alex Birkett talks with Katie Arena, the global marketing and communications leader at Clinch, an omni-channel advertising platform. Katie explains the differences between multi-channel and omni-channel advertising, emphasizing the importance of streamlining ad campaigns, personalizing creative content, and analyzi…
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Kitchen Side: SEO Burpees, Death of Vanity Traffic, and NSM
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58:10In this episode of The Long Game Podcast, Alex Birkett and the team discuss critical shifts in SEO and content marketing strategy. They emphasize the importance of moving beyond vanity metrics like traffic and focusing on meaningful business outcomes. Key topics include the concept of North Star KPIs, the dangers of the "traffic trap," and the impo…
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Chris Walker on the CMO's Dilemma, Attribution, and Modern GTM Strategy
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50:42In this insightful episode of The Long Game Podcast, Alex Birkett speaks with Chris Walker, CEO of Passetto and host of the B2B Revenue Vitals podcast. Chris shares his bold perspectives on the evolution of B2B marketing, highlighting the need for customer-centric strategies and challenging conventional practices like attribution modeling and deman…
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Kitchen Side: ChatGPT Search, EOY Planning, and Productivity Systems
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55:37In this lively episode of The Long Game Podcast, Alex, Allie, and David explore a range of topics, including the evolving capabilities of ChatGPT search and its implications for SEO. They share insights on building and leveraging custom GPTs for personalized workflows and content creation. The conversation also covers year-end planning, productivit…
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Kitchen Side: The Operations Episode with Gray MacKenzie (ZenPilot)
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57:35In this Kitchen Side episode of The Long Game Podcast, Alex, Allie, and David dive into the intricacies of agency operations with guest Gray MacKenzie, CEO of ZenPilot. The conversation explores how agencies can build scalable systems while balancing efficiency and innovation. Gray shares strategies for defining processes, the importance of integra…
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Why Human Expertise Matters More Than Ever in Content with Katie Kelly
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52:12In this episode of The Long Game Podcast, Alex Birkett interviews Katie Kelly, founder of Antiquoted, a platform that promotes diverse and underrepresented voices in media. Katie shares her journey from CRO roles to establishing her own venture, highlighting the challenges and benefits of featuring experts in content. They discuss the importance of…
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Kitchen Side: Working In the Business, Founder Mode, and Avoiding the Traffic Trap
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51:39In this Kitchen Side podcast episode, David, Alex, and Ali, co-founders of Omniscient Digital, discuss the nuances of working in vs. on a business and how both are essential for growth. They explore the concept of "founder mode," reflecting on both the benefits and risks of hands-on leadership. The team introduces the "traffic trap," a phenomenon w…
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Kitchen Side: Perfectionism vs Experimentation, The Best Career Advice, and What SEO Programs Need to Succeed
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49:58In this Kitchen Side episode, hosts David, Alex, and Allie discuss the balance between perfectionism and experimentation in business and personal growth. They explore how shifting to an experimental mindset can alleviate pressure, enhance learning, and drive progress. The conversation covers career advice emphasizing urgency, client management insi…
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Kitchen Side: Marketers Caught in False Consensus Bias and Exploring New-ish SEO Strategies
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41:29The conversation covers topics such as false consensus bias, SEO strategies, and programmatic SEO. The main themes include the importance of recognizing and overcoming biases in decision-making, the need to explore new SEO strategies beyond traditional content creation, and the potential of programmatic SEO for automation and scalability. The conve…
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Building a Company in Crisis and Rethinking B2B Marketing with the RINse and Repeat Framework with Marc Thomas
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50:23Marc shares his journey from starting a magazine to founding a creative agency and eventually building a real-time voting tool called Dupol. He discusses the importance of sustaining a company and finding leverage within existing resources. The conversation also touches on the challenges faced during COVID-19 and the unexpected surge in demand for …
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Kitchen Side: We Get Interviewed by AI Generated Questions
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48:59In this episode, the hosts dive into an innovative experiment where AI, specifically Perplexity, interviews them about their business, Omniscient Digital. They discuss the evolution of their approach to marketing, the shift from trying to be everywhere to focusing on high-impact channels, and the importance of sticking to core principles while adap…
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Kitchen Side: Category Domination in SEO and Why Focusing on Inputs is Underrated
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39:08The conversation revolves around the importance of focusing on inputs over outcomes in SEO projects. David Lee Kim, along with co-founders Alex and Ali, highlights the significance of aligning on strategies and examining inputs to identify issues when outcomes do not meet expectations. They introduce a framework for SEO that includes foundation bui…
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Personal Branding, Online Visibility, and Belief Statements with Finn McKenty
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1:12:07The conversation covers various topics related to personal branding and marketing. Finn McKenty shares his insights on building a visible and impactful online presence, the necessity of adhering to platform algorithms, and the challenges of balancing artistic expression with commercial demands. He discusses his journey from product design and marke…
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Kitchen side: How to Develop an Analytical Mindset
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56:23The conversation covers various topics related to data analysis, and decision-making. The hosts delve into the importance of developing an analytical mindset and the challenges of data attribution in marketing. The conversation highlights the need to balance data accuracy with utility and the limitations of self-reported data. Overall, the hosts em…
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Kitchen Side Episode 200: The Long Game Magazine Pre-Launch
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46:41The conversation starts with technical difficulties and banter about microphones and boxes in the background. They discuss the 200th episode of the podcast and reflect on their favorite moments and surprises. They talk about the origins of the podcast and how it led to the idea of creating a magazine. They share their experiences with reading magaz…
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Brand Strategy, Performance Marketing, and Building Engaged Communities with Evelyn Frison
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1:20:48In this episode, Alex Birkett talks with Evelyn Frison about branding and brand strategy. They discuss how to uncover differentiated selling propositions, conduct research, and identify target audiences. Evelyn shares insights on how branding and positioning inform messaging and marketing, and the integration of brand and performance marketing camp…
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The Flux in the SEO Industry, What Programmatic SEO Will Look Like, and Taking a Calm Approach to Business with Thenuka Karunaratne
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51:14Thenuka, CEO of Daydream, discusses the changing landscape of programmatic SEO and the importance of context in content creation. He explains how Daydream helps companies leverage their unique data to generate high-quality, AI-driven content for SEO. Thenuka also emphasizes the need for education in the industry to understand and implement programm…
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Kitchen Side: Identifying Strategy SEO Programs, Untraditional SEO Backgrounds, and We're Hiring a Director of Organic Growth
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40:31The conversation covers various topics related to SEO and content strategy. The main themes include the challenges of finding new topics to discuss on a podcast, the different approaches to SEO and content strategy, the importance of prioritization and focus, and the evolving skillset required for SEO and content roles. The conversation also touche…
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Digital watercoolers, echo chambers, and big companies who write bad content with Ryan Law (Ahrefs)
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1:04:28The conversation explores the challenges of finding sources of inspiration and engaging with online communities. It delves into the importance of in-person interactions and the limitations of digital platforms like LinkedIn and Twitter. The discussion then shifts to the role of conferences in fostering real conversations and the value of personal e…
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The Future of SEO & Ways We Actually Use AI (Kitchen Side)
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57:36The conversation explores the use of AI in various tasks, such as writing, research, and productivity. The hosts discuss the benefits and limitations of AI, as well as its impact on industries like marketing and dentistry. They also touch on the future of SEO and the importance of focusing on goals and strategy rather than getting caught up in AI h…
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From Growth Leader to Coaching Growth Leaders, Common Challenges for Heads of Growth, and the State of PLG with Andrew Capland
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46:43Andrew and David discuss Andrew's background and his role as a growth coach for tech professionals. They explore the challenges faced by growth leaders and the importance of effective communication and strategy. They also touch on the evolution of product-led growth (PLG) and the misconceptions surrounding its applicability. In this conversation, A…
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Algorithms and How They Impact Content, Art, Culture, and Humanity with Kyle Chayka
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57:08The conversation explores the impact of algorithms on our lives, from social media platforms to personal decision-making. It delves into the definition of algorithms and their role in recommendation systems. The discussion highlights the tension between convenience and personalization, as well as the desire for serendipity and authenticity. The con…
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Product-Led Onboarding, Video-First Content, and AI Repurposing with Ramli John (AppCues)
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47:46In this conversation, Alex and Ramli John discuss their experiences with podcasting, the evolution of content creation, and the importance of standing out in a crowded market. They also touch on the concept of product adoption and the goals of the Product Adoption Academy within AppCues. In this conversation, Ramli John and Alex discuss the concept…
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Enterprise SEO, SERP degradation, and the SEO origins of Healthline with Ethan Hays (Moz)
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51:08The conversation explores the tragedy of the commons in relation to search and artificial intelligence. It discusses Google's defensive posture and the increase in large brands in search results. The conversation also delves into the history of content farms and the impact of the Panda algorithm. It highlights the challenges faced by challenger bra…
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Modern SEO, Information Gain, and Organic Revenue Attribution with Parthi Loganathan (Letterdrop)
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50:54In this conversation, Parthi Loganathan, the co-founder of LetterDrop, discusses his approach to SEO and content creation. He emphasizes the importance of understanding user intent and providing unique and valuable content. Parthi also highlights the concept of information gain and its role in standing out from competitors. He discusses the evolvin…
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Counterintuitive CRO Advice for B2B SaaS Websites, the Decision to Sell a Business, and Mental Health for Business Executives with Sahil Patel
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1:01:42Sahil Patel, CEO of Spiralyze, shares his journey to becoming CEO and introduces Spiralyze, a conversion rate optimization company. Spiralyze offers a unique tech-enabled service that combines an agency component with a SaaS product. They scrape data from 34,000 websites that run A/B tests to identify proven winners, which are tests that have been …
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Product Marketing as a Strategic Role, Differentiating from Competitors, and Iterating on Company Narratives at High Growth Tech Companies with Eve Alexander, VP of Product Marketing at Seismic
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54:00In this conversation, Eve Alexander, a product marketing leader, discusses the evolution and strategic importance of product marketing. She highlights the need for product marketers to revisit and refine their story and positioning as the market changes. Eve also shares insights on differentiating in a competitive market, using competitive intellig…
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Kitchen Side: "Do Nothing," Cope Creep, and Life Lessons from Es Devlin
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47:47The conversation covers various topics related to decision-making, motivation, and experimentation in business and marketing. It begins with a conversation about cope creep and the fear of failure. The hosts explore the challenges of overcoming the status quo and making strategic decisions. They also discuss the paradox of choice and the impact of …
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The Content Ops Challenge, Scaling Great Work, Saving the Internet, and the Risks of SEO-Only Content with David Baum (Relato)
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46:27In this conversation, Alex and David Baum discuss the problems and challenges in content operations (Content Ops) and the need for a new generation of software and tools to support the way people work today. They explore the disarray in content strategy, the gulf between content managers and writers, and the risks of an SEO-first approach. They als…
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Tactical Lessons in Change Management, the Preeminence of Messaging, and Risk Weighted Growth Portfolios with Alefiya Dhilla
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1:03:48In this conversation, Alefiya Dhilla discusses her experience with the challenges of technology and productivity, the impact of AI and change management, the role of a measured marketer, the importance of generalists and specialists, navigating politics and emotional intelligence, building portfolios of growth bets, and the journey of her consultin…
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Kitchen Side: The Great Brand Marketing Debate, Snoop Dogg, and B2B Marketers Creating Confusion
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40:26In this conversation, the hosts discuss various topics related to marketing and branding. They explore the meaning of demand generation, the role of advertising, the history of content marketing, and the importance of simplifying marketing strategies. They also touch on the idea of making marketing more personal and tearing down overcomplication in…
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Cracking the Code of Intent-Based Marketing: Lessons from Koala's CEO (Tido Carriero)
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49:47Tido Carriero, co-founder and CEO of Koala, shares his journey with David, from engineering to product to founder and CEO. He discusses the importance of marketing and solving customer problems, as well as the challenges of transitioning to a CEO role. Tido explains the concept of intent-based marketing and the shift in the market towards personali…
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