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This podcast series is hosted by Dr Marnee Shay and Professor Rhonda Oliver who are the editors of a new strengths based text book about Indigenous education published by Routledge 'Indigenous Education in Australia Learning and Teaching for Deadly Futures'. The podcast explores different topics about Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander education with chapter authors; a diverse group of Indigenous and non-Indigenous Elders, scholars and educators. Front cover artwork by Aunty Denise Proud
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RealTalk MS

Jon Strum

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Jon Strum cuts through all the jargon and breaks down the latest multiple sclerosis news. You’ll meet the scientists who are creating tomorrow’s MS treatments today. You’ll hear from the experts discussing how the latest tweaks and changes to our healthcare laws will impact your MS treatment. And we’ll be talking to the courageous MS warriors who are out there advocating on behalf of the MS community every day, as well as the men and women who are committed to living their best lives with MS ...
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Welcome back to this week’s episode of Diving In Deep with Sara Evans! In this episode is joined by the dynamic, country female duo, Maddie and Tae! Maddie and Tae share how getting matched with the same vocal coach turned into a 15 year music career, how they found their way to Nashville, and their beautiful love stories with their husbands. The t…
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Every five minutes, someone somewhere in the world is diagnosed with MS. But getting that diagnosis can be challenging. And the evidence is clear that early intervention makes a difference. The sooner someone can begin a disease-modifying therapy, the better their outcome is going to be. World MS Day is May 30th, and this year, World MS Day is focu…
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Welcome back to another episode of Diving in Deep with your host, Sara Evans! In this exciting episode, Sara sits down with her incredible background singer, producer, and songwriter, Jazz Davis. Join them as they dive into the behind-the-scenes world of the music industry, sharing stories from the road, the challenges of touring, and the unique bo…
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Last week, the National Multiple Sclerosis Society and the European Committee for Treatment and Research in Multiple Sclerosis convened a meeting in Dublin, Ireland, to dive deeper into what a new framework for describing MS might look like. There's still a tremendous amount of work to be done here. But, considering that whatever language is eventu…
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Welcome back to this week's episode of Diving In Deep! In this episode Sara welcomes the incredibly talented Walker Hayes! In this heartfelt conversation, Walker shares his remarkable life story, including the challenges he faced as a father of six, and the profound impact of losing his daughter, Oakley. Discover how this tragedy shaped his faith a…
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If you're living with MS, you might experience days when it feels like you're losing your sense of who you are, as your sense of self gets redefined by your symptoms. Reasserting your personal style can be a powerful way to rediscover joy in who you are while reclaiming your identity. Jeri Zink Denz lives with MS and works in the luxury fashion ind…
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In this episode of Diving In Deep, Sara welcomes back her manager, Craig Dunn, for a candid conversation about our journey together in the music industry. They dive into the complexities of the artist-manager relationship, exploring how their dynamic has evolved over the years. Craig shares insights into the challenges of being a manager, including…
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Most people living with MS don't see their neurologist often. For many, it might be only once or twice a year. A lot of important things take place during that appointment. Symptoms are assessed. Decisions about disease-modifying therapies are made or, sometimes, changed. Questions get asked and, hopefully, answered. Dr. Barbara Giesser returns to …
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On this week’s episode, Sara is joined by the queen of bluegrass Rhonda Vincent! Sara and Rhonda dive into Rhonda's incredible journey through music, from her early days in a musical family to becoming a Grammy-nominated artist. They share laughs, sing together, and reminisce about their favorite songs, including Rhonda's iconic hits and the timele…
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Welcome to the 400th episode of RealTalk MS! Over the past nearly eight years, it's been my absolute honor to bring you insights from leading experts, researchers, advocates, and, perhaps most importantly, from people living with MS themselves. And we have no intention of stopping here! We're excited to continue bringing you the information and con…
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Welcome back to this week’s exciting episode of Diving in Deep! Sara sits down with the talented grandchildren of country music legends Conway Twitty and Loretta Lynn, Tre Twitty and Tayla Lynn! In this heartfelt conversation, they share their journey as a tribute band honoring their grandparents, revealing incredible behind-the-scenes stories, and…
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Research shows that spirituality can benefit mental health and improve overall well-being. And it can play a meaningful role in helping people cope with life’s challenges, like living with MS. This week, Dr. Mana Ali Carter, a rehabilitation psychologist at MedStar National Rehabilitation Hospital in Washington D.C., joins me to discuss the positiv…
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Join Sara Evans in this inspiring episode of Diving In Deep as she sits down with Bart Millard, the lead singer and frontman of the Grammy-nominated band MercyMe. Known for their iconic hit "I Can Only Imagine," Bart shares his deeply personal journey of hope and redemption, reflecting on his 25-year career in music and the profound impact of his s…
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Last week, at the American Academy of Neurology annual meeting, Dr. Amit Bar-Or received the John Dystel Prize for Multiple Sclerosis Research for his multiple achievements that have advanced our knowledge of neuroimmunology, precision medicine, and biomarkers in MS. We talked with Dr. Bar-Or about how some of the latest discoveries in MS research …
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Welcome back to this week’s episode of Diving in Deep with your host, Sara Evans! In this episode, Sara welcomes Sam Williams, the grandson of the legendary Hank Williams Sr. and son of Hank Williams Jr. Sam shares his journey of carving out his own identity in the country music scene while navigating the challenges of being a single dad and an asp…
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For many people, it can be difficult to talk about the feelings of loss that can accompany MS. For some, it's the loss of the way they imagined their life would turn out. For others, it's the more specific loss of function. Perhaps the loss of their mobility. Or a decline in their cognitive skills. It's painful to imagine any of these scenarios, le…
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Join Sara Evans in this exciting episode of Diving In Deep as she sits down with country music star, Lauren Alaina! In this heartfelt conversation, Sara and Lauren discuss the joys and surprises of pregnancy, with Lauren sharing her due date and the exciting news that she’s having a girl! They dive into their experiences on Dancing With The Stars, …
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Managing MS means staying focused not only on your MS but also on your overall health. That includes getting routine health screenings to stay ahead of potential complications. Recent research has shown that, compared to healthy people, people with MS are more likely to develop some cancers. Clinician-scientist Dr. Ruth Ann Marrie joins me to discu…
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Welcome back to this week’s exciting episode of Diving In Deep! Sara chats with the talented sister duo, Tigirlily Gold! Kendra and Krista share their journey from growing up in North Dakota to making waves in the country music scene. Discover the story behind their unique band name, their experiences in the music industry, and the challenges they …
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When you look at a list of the typical symptoms associated with perimenopause, you'd think you were looking at a list of MS symptoms. And, for women living with MS, that's where the confusion begins. With an estimated 30% of the current MS population now in peri- or post-menopause, researchers are beginning to focus on how menopause and MS interact…
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Welcome back to this week’s episode of Diving in Deep with Sara Evans! Sara sits down with the very talented singer-songwriter Madeline Merlo. They chat about everything from her marriage to a lawyer, the ups and downs of being an artist during COVID, to her big move from Canada to Nashville. Madeline shares some fun stories, like how she got start…
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Next week, a couple of hundred MS activists will gather in Washington, D.C. for the National MS Society's Public Policy Conference. As we're seeing devastating cuts in funding for MS research, layoffs in every major governmental agency that impacts our healthcare, including the National Institutes of Health, the FDA, CDC, Health and Human Services,…
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Just a couple of weeks ago, 1,800 scientists, clinicians, postdoctoral fellows, and medical residents gathered in West Palm Beach, Florida, for the Americas Committee for Treatment and Research in Multiple Sclerosis annual meeting, better known as the ACTRIMS Forum. Kristine Werner Ozug lives with MS and, full disclosure, she's a member of the Real…
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Just a couple of weeks ago, 1,800 scientists, clinicians, postdoctoral fellows, and medical residents gathered in West Palm Beach, Florida, for the Americas Committee for Treatment and Research in Multiple Sclerosis annual meeting, better known as the ACTRIMS Forum. Dr. Emanuelle Waubant is a neurologist who specializes in treating patients with MS…
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Just a couple of weeks ago, 1,800 scientists, clinicians, postdoctoral fellows, and medical residents gathered in West Palm Beach, Florida, for the Americas Committee for Treatment and Research in Multiple Sclerosis annual meeting, better known as the ACTRIMS Forum. Dr. Mikael Simons is a neurologist and researcher at Technical University Munich an…
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Just a couple of weeks ago, 1,800 scientists, clinicians, postdoctoral fellows, and medical residents gathered in West Palm Beach, Florida, for the Americas Committee for Treatment and Research in Multiple Sclerosis annual meeting, better known as the ACTRIMS Forum. Dr. Daniel Reich is a neurologist and neuroradiologist. He is the Director of the T…
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Join us for an exciting episode of Diving in Deep with Sarah Evans as we welcome the incredibly talented Chayce Beckham, winner of American Idol and the voice behind the hit song "23." Chayce shares his journey from a shy singer to a celebrated artist, revealing the challenges and triumphs he faced along the way. Discover how Chayce found his voice…
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Just a couple of weeks ago, 1,800 scientists, clinicians, postdoctoral fellows, and medical residents gathered in West Palm Beach, Florida, for the Americas Committee for Treatment and Research in Multiple Sclerosis annual meeting, better known as the ACTRIMS Forum. Dr. Christina Azevedo is an Associate Professor of Neurology at the University of S…
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Just a couple of weeks ago, 1,800 scientists, clinicians, postdoctoral fellows, and medical residents gathered in West Palm Beach, Florida, for the Americas Committee for Treatment and Research in Multiple Sclerosis annual meeting, better known as the ACTRIMS Forum. Dr. Peter Calabresi is the Director of the Division of Neuroimmunology and the Dire…
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It's MS Awareness Week, and the National MS Society is asking everyone in the MS community to tell MS exactly what they think of it. We're kicking off MS Awareness Week by introducing you to two difference-makers in the MS community who have each found their own way of talking back to MS. Case Jernigan is an experimental animator, narrative gamemak…
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Just a couple of weeks ago, 1,800 scientists, clinicians, postdoctoral fellows, and medical residents gathered in West Palm Beach, Florida, for the Americas Committee for Treatment and Research in Multiple Sclerosis annual meeting, better known as the ACTRIMS Forum. Dr. Nara Michaelson is a Multiple Sclerosis Fellow at Harvard's Massachusetts Gener…
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Just a couple of weeks ago, 1,800 scientists, clinicians, postdoctoral fellows, and medical residents gathered in West Palm Beach, Florida, for the Americas Committee for Treatment and Research in Multiple Sclerosis annual meeting, better known as the ACTRIMS Forum. Dr. Darin Okuda is the Director of the Multiple Sclerosis and Neuroimmunology Imagi…
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This week on Diving In Deep with Sara Evans! Sara welcomes Levi Hummon, the talented son of renowned songwriter Marcus Hummon. In this engaging conversation, Levi shares his journey in the music industry, from his early days in Nashville to his recent successes, including his hit song "Paying For It" featuring Walker Hayes. Discover the challenges …
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Last week, 1,800 scientists, clinicians, postdoctoral fellows, and medical residents arrived in West Palm Beach, Florida, for the Americas Committee for Treatment and Research in Multiple Sclerosis annual meeting, better known as the ACTRIMS Forum. I'm kicking off our coverage of this important conference by sharing two of the conversations I had a…
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This week on Diving in Deep with Sara Evans, Sara is joined by longtime friend and extraordinary producer, Mark Bright! Mark and Sara start by reflecting on what they have missed out on in each other's lives since they last saw each other. Mark opens up about a recent medical emergency he faced and how he’s grown since then. The two of them also lo…
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MS can limit your ability to get around and do the things you like to do. And when that happens, the right mobility device can be a game-changer when it comes to staying safe, staying active, and improving your quality of life. This week, Dr. Evan Cohen joins me to discuss how to know when it's time to consider a mobility device, and how to choose …
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This special episode of RealTalk MS is sponsored by Sanofi. By now, you may have come across the term smoldering MS and wondered what it means. An international panel of MS experts has published a consensus statement on the definition, biology, and clinical implications of smoldering MS. Joining me is the lead author of that paper, Dr. Antonio Scal…
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This Week on Diving in Deep as Sara welcomes the incredible trio, Chapel Heart! Discovered on America's Got Talent, Danica, Devynn, and Trea are breaking barriers in country music and bringing their unique sound to the forefront. In this episode, they dive into their journey, from their roots in a large musical family to their experiences busking o…
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More than half of the people living with MS live with pain. And, too often, the distraction and discomfort of MS-related pain can stop you from fully engaging in every aspect of your life. Dr. Bianca Weinstock-Guttman joins me to discuss treatment options for managing MS pain. Dr. Weinstock-Guttman is a neurologist and professor of neurology at the…
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Welcome back to Diving in Deep with Sara Evans! On this week’s episode, Sara Evans sits down with up and coming country star Taylor Austin Dye. Taylor gives an inside look into her journey through music and also shares how she knew she wanted to be a musician from a young age. The two of them share many laughs after discovering how much they have i…
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Living your best life with MS means learning to overcome the stigma of having a disability, successfully navigating social relationships, and learning how to ask for and accept help. Joining me to share their perspectives and their experiences in overcoming some of these social obstacles are Denise Schnieders, who was diagnosed with MS just about a…
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This week on Diving in Deep, Sara is joined by friend and country legend Clint Black! Sara Evansand Clint talk about his long lasting career and what got him to where he is now. Clint also shares insight into how he’s been dipping his toe into the comedy field and how ties comedy into his everyday life. If you want to have a laugh, get some parenti…
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When we talk about myelin damage, most of us typically think of the brain. After all, that myelin is located in your central nervous system. But the inflammation that causes myelin damage may be triggered by activity that's taking place well south of your central nervous system, in your gut microbiome, the colony of trillions of bacteria and microo…
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This week on Diving In Deep, Sara is joined by Grammy-winning musician, Colbie Caillat! In this candid conversation, Colbie shares her experiences on the road, the challenges of touring, and her evolving relationship with music. From life on a tour bus to her love for Nashville, Colbie gets real about balancing her career, personal growth, and what…
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The TEAAMS study examines the effects of a remotely delivered, racially-tailored exercise training program among African-Americans with MS, who are living in low-income areas of the Southeastern United States, which is a part of the country that doesn't have many primary care or MS clinics that provide full exercise and rehabilitation services for …
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This week on Diving in Deep, Sara Evans reunites with renowned songwriter, Marcus Hummon! The two of them look back on what it was like to write some of Sara’s hit songs like "Born To Fly." Marcus also dives into his newest personal project of transcribing Emily Dickinson poems into an EP he released back in November. They both open up about the vu…
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MS symptoms can worsen, and relapses can occur. And when that happens, how do you know whether you require immediate medical care? When is it time to go to the hospital? Dr. Kalina Sanders joins me to talk about when it's time to seek immediate medical care for MS. Dr. Sanders is a board-certified neurologist who specializes in multiple sclerosis a…
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This special episode of RealTalk MS is sponsored by EMD Serono and is only intended for a U.S. audience. EMD Serono is the healthcare business of Merck, KGaA, Darmstadt, Germany, in the United States and Canada. In this special episode of RealTalk MS, Dr. Mary Rensel and Amanda Montague join me to explore HCP (Healthcare Provider) burnout and patie…
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On this week’s episode of Diving In Deep, Sara is joined by country icon Terri Clark! The two of them take a trip down memory lane and reflect on their experiences as being women in country music in the 90s, how Terri found her way to Nashville, and how Terri landed her first gig. Terri also shares stories about what it was like to play at the bars…
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The new year brings with it several significant benefits for many people affected by MS. We're reviewing how the nearly 400,000 people with MS who rely on Medicare for their health insurance will save thousands of dollars, how people with MS who currently have medical debt will see a big improvement on their credit report, and how people who fly wi…
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