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Industry Relations

Rob Hahn and Greg Robertson

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This is Industry Relations, a podcast that is at the intersection of real estate and technology from an insider’s perspective. Hosted weekly by Rob Hahn (The Notorious ROB) and Greg Robertson.
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Dive into the world of film production with the Hahn Films Podcast! Hosted by filmmaker and executive producer Matt L Hahn, this podcast brings together cast, crew, clients, and industry pros to share stories, insights, and lessons from behind the camera. From captivating interviews to the details of film production, each episode is a journey into the passion and dedication that brings film projects to life. Tune in every Friday for new episodes and join the Hahn Films community!
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Tales of classic scandals, scoundrels and scourges told through vintage newspaper accounts from the golden age of yellow journalism Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/true-crime-historian--2909311/support.
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Demise Of The Whittemore Gang Jump to the Ad-Free Safe House Edition Episode 345 follows the end of the career of the leader of a notorious East Coast gang that terrorized Baltimore and several New York Cities in their bloody quest for money and diamonds. The exciting narrative includes descriptions of several of the gang’s violent heists. Find Mor…
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The Corruption Of Lieutenant Charles Becker. Jump to Ad-Free Safe House Edition Episode 116 is a story about police corruption in New York’s Tenderloin District at the turn of the last century. The Tenderloin District around Broadway was so named by the police because there was a lot of graft to be made and they were able to stop eating chuck steak…
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The Brutal Murder of Gussie Pfeiffer Jump To The Ad-Free Safe House Edition Episode 115 is a baffling case indeed. The body of a young factory girl who had been missing for three days is found “brutalized,” as the euphemism goes, before being murdered and her body dumped near a historic tree in the Bronx. How long had she been there? How long had s…
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The Cleveland Kaber Conspiracy By Marjorie Wilson Jump to Ad-Free Safe House Edition Episode 114 Back in the golden ages of newspapers, it was common for them to publish serialized novels of romance, adventure,and intrigue, but true crime serials were not quite so common. But here is a novella-length story published in nineteen chapters in five par…
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The Cleveland Kaber Conspiracy By Marjorie Wilson Jump to Ad-Free Safe House Edition Episode 114 Back in the golden ages of newspapers, it was common for them to publish serialized novels of romance, adventure,and intrigue, but true crime serials were not quite so common. But here is a novella-length story published in nineteen chapters in five par…
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In this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg reflect on a recent panel discussion hosted by the Orange County Association of REALTORS®. They discuss the incentives that drive agent and broker behavior, the value and vulnerabilities of the MLS in a post-settlement world, and the broader structural changes facing the real estate industry. The …
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The Scoundrel Albert Brownlee Jump To Ad-Free Safe House Edition Episode 344 takes place in the Pacific Northwest and follows the career of a World War I veteran who returns to a life of crime. This fellow’s a peck of trouble, and since the Huns didn’t get him, the state of Oregon will. Find More Stories About CAPITAL CRIMES Become a supporter of t…
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The Scoundrel Herman Kabansky Jump To Ad-Free Safe House Edition There’s a lot of action packed into Episode 343. In addition to a drunken shooting spree and a heroic policeman, the story packs in an escape from jail, an attempted suicide, and a whole lot of courtroom and jailhouse dramatics. Find More Stories About Jail Breaks Become a supporter o…
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In this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg recap the 2025 NAR Midyear Meetings in Washington, D.C., discussing key industry developments, MLS policy changes, and behind-the-scenes dynamics. Topics include the repeal of the commingling ban, updates to NAR’s controversial 10-5 speech policy, and ongoing MLS consolidation. They also cover ven…
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A Bloody Riot In Birmingham Jump To The AD-FREE SAFE HOUSE EDITION Episode 342 is dedicated to listeners Paula Wellman and Marcie Braden, who along with the Historic Birmingham Facebook group suggested this case and provided me with tons of research. It is a double tragedy, a brutal family murder followed by a massacre in the city streets as a dili…
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The Degradation Of Sassy Springer Jump To Commercial-Free SAFE HOUSE Edition Episode 340 tells of a double murder--one intentional, one accidental--arising out of an unusual love triangle, a married wealthy Denver socialite and two men, both of whom were her lovers, neither of them her husband. Does that make it a love quadrangle? MORE LOVE TRIANGL…
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In this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg run a thought experiment: What if we’re entering a true buyer’s market? They walk through ten major industry topics—from antitrust litigation to portals, AI, and MLS relevance—and analyze how each might shift if buyers suddenly gained the upper hand. Along the way, they debate policy, technology, …
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Scandal At Reynolda Jump to the AD-FREE SAFE HOUSE EDITION Episode 338 weaves the tale of mystery surrounding the shocking death of the youngest son of the tobacco king R.J. Reynolds when he is found dead in the family’s palatial North Carolina home. Although the coroner immediately ruled it a suicide, other officials felt differently, and suspicio…
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The Australian Aviatrix And Her Suitors Jump To The AD-FREE SAFE HOUSE EDITION Episode 341 tells the scandalous story of one of Miami, Florida’s most sensational murders when a young writer is found dead in a sleeping porch, a bullet in his head and two suicide notes on the table. Public interest is high because the other two sides of the fatal tri…
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In this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg analyze Zillow’s recently released ZLAS policy language and debate whether it reflects a shift in Zillow’s priorities. They discuss the implications of allowing broker direct feeds, the enforcement challenges around delayed marketing, and whether Zillow’s current stance can still be considered “co…
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In this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg explore the idea of the elusive “end-to-end platform” in real estate. Prompted by Lower’s acquisition of Movoto, they revisit decades of efforts by portals and brokerages to deliver a seamless transaction experience—from search to closing. They examine why this model has struggled to take hold in …
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In this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg examine CoStar’s recent announcement that Homes.com will boost listings banned on Zillow. They discuss whether this strategy is aimed at consumers or brokers, and whether it signals a broader battle for power in the real estate portal space. They also explore the potential implications of a propos…
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In this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg discuss the broader cultural trend of returning to physical, human-centered experiences amid rapid advances in technology and AI. They explore topics ranging from Compass’s decision to print physical listing books to the rise of tabletop gaming, and examine whether real estate’s resistance to full…
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In this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg explore the evolving definition of an “open market” in real estate. They discuss how consumer expectations, technology shifts, and the dominance of platforms like Zillow are reshaping what it means for a listing to be considered publicly available. The conversation also covers the historical role …
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In this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg examine how changes to MLS rules, especially around delayed marketing and the Clear Cooperation Policy (CCP), are impacting portals, broker strategies, vendors, and the broader real estate ecosystem. They also explore the implications of the Rocket-Redfin merger, challenges for MLS public-facing w…
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In this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg react to Zillow’s announcement that listings violating the Clear Cooperation Policy (CCP) will no longer be allowed on its platform. They discuss how this move could impact private exclusives, delayed marketing strategies, and the role of major brokerages like Compass and eXp. They also explore ho…
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In this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg analyze the latest developments in the Clear Cooperation Policy (CCP) and its impact on brokerages, MLSs, and the industry at large. They also discuss how exclusive inventory strategies are reshaping competition, the DOJ’s scrutiny of MLS policies, and what these shifts could mean for agents and c…
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In this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg break down the big news about the Clear Cooperation Policy (CCP) and what its potential changes could mean for the future of real estate. They discuss the DOJ’s ongoing investigation into NAR, the evolving landscape of MLS policies, and how major brokerages are responding. With key shifts on the h…
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**This podcast was recorded the Friday BEFORE the announcement from NAR on CCP** In this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg dissect the latest drama surrounding NAR’s Clear Cooperation Policy (CCP), the DOJ’s stance on MLS rules, and the future of PropTech in a shifting real estate landscape. They analyze how recent DOJ statements are bein…
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In this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg break down three major real estate bombshells—the rumored Compass acquisition of Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices (BHHS), the Redfin-Rocket merger, and the potential shake-up of NAR’s Clear Cooperation Policy (CCP). They discuss whether Compass is actually in talks with BHHS or if this is just Wall…
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In this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg tackle three major industry shake-ups: Gary Keller selling a stake in Keller Williams, REX losing its lawsuit against NAR and Zillow, and the launch of a new NAR alternative, AREA, by Mauricio Umansky and Jason Haber. They debate what these moves mean for the future of real estate, the ongoing bat…
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In this episode of the Hahn Films Podcast, we sit down with Tiffany Browne-Tavarez, a New York City-based film actor with over ten years of collaboration with Matt L Hahn on projects like Tiger Lily and Generation Hack. Tiffany takes us through her journey from childhood performances in church plays to establishing herself in the world of film. She…
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In this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg dive into the controversy surrounding dual agency, private networks, and the MLS’s role in protecting small brokers. They break down the industry’s long-standing acceptance of brokerage-level dual agency while questioning why teams are getting a pass. Plus, they debate whether Compass’s push to do…
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In this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg break down the latest in the ongoing battle over NAR’s three-way agreement and how Phoenix Realtors’ recent compromise with NAR might reshape the industry. They explore whether this is a true win for NAR or just the beginning of a major shift, debating the rise of the “Freedom Plan” and how it cou…
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Overview In this special live episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg broadcast from the Virtual MLS Summit, where they tackle one of the biggest questions in real estate today: What does “cooperation” mean in a post-settlement world? They explore how the industry’s shift away from compensation impacts the role of MLSs, debate the long-standing…
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In this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg dive into one of the most heated debates yet—was NAR’s fight for survival a necessary battle, or did it do more harm than good? They analyze the fallout from the settlement, discuss the rise of leaders like Michelle Harrington who are ditching corporate-speak for real talk, and debate whether NAR …
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In this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg recap Greg’s recent MLS Reset conference and dive into key industry insights. They discuss governance reform, competition between MLSs, data sharing agreements, and bold ideas for innovation in the real estate world. From pitch battles for tech innovation to thought-provoking commentary on leaders…
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In this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg navigate the fallout from key legal decisions and the broader implications for the real estate industry. They analyze the Supreme Court’s denial of NAR’s cert petition, its potential effects on DOJ actions, and how shifting dynamics—such as commission lawsuits and housing market pressures—might re…
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In this thought-provoking episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg explore the seismic changes shaking up the real estate world as Phoenix Realtors challenge the NAR three-way agreement. They delve into the implications of member-driven value propositions, whether NAR can reinvent itself, and the ongoing debate over what truly inspires and retai…
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In this final episode of the year, Rob and Greg deliver their predictions for 2025, exploring how the real estate industry will evolve. They tackle everything from transaction volumes and mortgage rates to the fate of MLSs and the potential unraveling of the three-way agreement. Along the way, they discuss societal trends, like the importance of co…
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In this Industry Relations episode, Rob and Greg reflect on the pivotal events of 2024, dubbing it “The Year of the Settlement.” They analyze the seismic shifts in real estate, including the impact of high-interest rates, low inventory, NAR’s declining influence, and the ripple effects of major lawsuits. The duo also previews what these changes cou…
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In this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg tackle the latest controversies surrounding NAR and the recent investigative article from The New York Times. They debate the role of lobbying, explore accusations of corruption and financial mismanagement, and reflect on the broader challenges facing NAR’s leadership and reputation. Key Takeaways…
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In this episode of the Hahn Films Podcast, Matt L Hahn reconnects with his longtime acting collaborator, Nick Mervosh. From starring in Matt’s senior thesis feature film A Fine Line to the web series Tiger Lily and the Metal Gear Solid fan film Legacy of Snakes, Nick has been a cornerstone of Matt's creative journey.Now, as Dr. Grazner in Generatio…
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Overview In this special episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg welcome economist and author Professor Bryan Caplan to discuss his latest book, Build Baby Build: The Science and Ethics of Housing Regulation. The trio dives into the housing crisis, exploring how deregulation could address affordability, inequality, and other societal issues. Br…
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The Brutal Murder Of Mayme Sherman A True Crime Short Story by Richard O Jones Ad-Free Safe House Edition One of the factors behind my interest in historical true crime is that my hometown of Hamilton, Ohio, seems to have a particularly rich history of crime--murder in particular, but not just murder. I’ve done several local programs about the safe…
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In this episode of the Hahn Films Podcast, Matt L Hahn sits down with his longtime friend and creative collaborator, Rob Mannanice, the co-producer of Generation Hack. Friends since middle school and filmmaking partners since high school, Matt and Rob reflect on their journey from their first sci-fi film, Gray Skies—a project tragically lost to a h…
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Episode Summary: In this episode, Rob and Greg tackle the latest developments in the housing market and its broader implications for real estate professionals. From dissecting the DOJ’s recent moves to exploring how transactions and home prices define market strength, the duo brings sharp insights and engaging commentary to these critical topics. D…
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The Saga of the Scoundrel Thomas McGehan A true crime short story by Richard O Jones Ad-Free Safe House Edition - Episode 28 takes place on Christmas Eve 1870, when three men attack a local politician with boulders and slungshots, and at least a dozen men scramble for the door while five shots pepper the faro room at the American Saloon in Hamilton…
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Episode Summary: In this timely episode In this timely episode (recorded Monday, November 25), Rob and Greg dive deep into the DOJ’s recent statement of interest in the Burnett settlement. They break down the key points raised, including the potential antitrust concerns surrounding the requirement for buyers to sign agreements before home tours and…
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In this episode of the Hahn Films Podcast, Matt L Hahn sits down with Angel Pean, the talented lead actor who brought the character Hilt to life in Generation Hack. Angel shares her journey from growing up in Texas to pursuing her acting dreams in New York City, where she attended school and started her career. She reflects on how Generation Hack b…
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In this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg dive into the latest developments in the real estate world, focusing on leadership, membership dynamics, and the challenges facing NAR in 2024. They engage in a spirited debate about leadership priorities, assessing Nykia Wright’s tenure as CEO, and what it takes to steer an organization during tu…
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In the premiere episode of the Hahn Films Podcast, host Matt L Hahn sits down with longtime friend and talented filmmaker Justin Ho to explore how new technologies are transforming the world of indie film. From the impact of generative AI in editing and visual effects to the rise of mobile filmmaking, they discuss how today’s creators have powerful…
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Greg just landed back home from NAR Boston and Rob is curious to what insights he learned. Greg’s main insight is that he isn’t as young as he once was. 1. Election Impact on Real Estate: • Rob and Greg delve into the recent election results, exploring how potential changes in government could impact HUD and real estate policies. • Debate on the fu…
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Episode Overview Rob and Greg explore how the upcoming election could reshape the real estate industry, focusing on regulatory impacts, DOJ actions, and antitrust issues. They also discuss potential changes to industry practices and transparency in agent behavior. Key Topics 1. Election Predictions: • Friendly wager on election outcomes, with predi…
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Overview: Rob and Greg talk with Jack Miller, CEO of T360, about the recently released “Opportunity Report” and its significance for the real estate industry. The discussion focuses on how real estate leaders can navigate current challenges and seize opportunities in the face of regulatory changes, declining transaction volume, and industry consoli…
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