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The Gartner Talent Angle podcast is a new and exciting approach to talent management. Every month, we’ll talk with those on the forefront of HR innovation — innovators, academics, HR professionals, economists, coaches — to explore the most interesting and cutting edge ideas in the world of HR and people development. Join us as we reimagine talent.
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SPOTLIGHT: Designing Work Without Jobs With Ravin Jesuthasan and John Boudreau
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23:52Drawing on their professional and academic experience, Ravin Jesuthasan and John Boudreau argue the current work “operating system” is increasingly unable to meet the needs of employees and employers. They join the Talent Angle to discuss their new book, Work Without Jobs: How to Reboot Your Organization’s Work Operating System, and the opportuniti…
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SPOTLIGHT: Sizing the Impact of Skills-Based Hiring, With HBS’ Joseph Fuller
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28:46In recent years, organizations have started to experiment with skills-based hiring by dropping degree requirements and other credentials in job postings to unlock new talent populations. However, a fully-realized skills-based hiring approach demands deep change in talent processes and hiring manager practices. To this point, most organizations have…
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SPOTLIGHT: Embracing Failure to Cultivate Innovation with Amy Edmondson
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26:56In their pursuit of heightened productivity, organizations are leaving little room for failure. However, failures are an inevitable part of the innovation process and often serve as a precursor to breakthroughs. By solely focusing on productivity, organizations may be missing out on valuable opportunities for innovation that could propel them forwa…
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Leader and manager development was CHROs’ top priority in 2025, according to the 2025 Gartner HR Priorities Survey. When employees are frustrated by the leadership at the organization, their engagement, performance and productivity suffer. Adam Galinsky, professor at Columbia Business School and author of "Inspire: The Universal Path for Leading Yo…
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SPOTLIGHT: Thriving on Conflict with Amy Gallo
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27:03Conflict management is an increasingly essential skill for individuals in leadership positions. However, it is a topic that often makes people — especially leaders and managers — feel uneasy. As leaders are responsible for handling conflicts between their employees, teams, and peers, it is crucial for them to have effective strategies for conflict …
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Making Better Decisions With Justin ‘Hasard’ Lee
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36:38Today’s CHROs face a dynamic business environment, and must make difficult, strategic decisions despite uncertainty. Justin “Hasard” Lee, former U.S. Air Force fighter pilot and author of “The Art of Clear Thinking: A Stealth Fighter Pilot’s Timeless Rules for Making Tough Decisions,” joins the Talent Angle to share a decision making framework for …
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SPOTLIGHT: Capturing the Upside of Uncertainty, with Nathan Furr and Susannah Harmon Furr
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23:16From the emergence of generative AI (GenAI) to widespread adoption of hybrid work, HR leaders are increasingly called upon to lead their organizations through uncertainty. Authors Nathan Furr and Susannah Harmon Furr join the Talent Angle to explain why uncertainty should be associated with opportunity, not anxiety. They detail how organizations ca…
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Exploring Insights from the Gartner’s Futures Lab with Brent Cassell
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43:38Navigating new levels of change, CHROs can find it difficult to determine which global and long-term trends matter for their talent and business strategies. Brent Cassell, VP in Advisory at Gartner and member of Gartner’s Futures Lab, joins the Talent Angle Podcast to offer a framework to sense and respond to the macro trends CHROs need to be payin…
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SPOTLIGHT: Fueling Performance With the Human-Powered Enterprise
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29:11Organizations today are grappling with how to manage the merging of peoples’ work and personal lives. With many organizational processes and structures not fully accounting for the human impact they have on their employees’ lives, organizations are now looking for a better approach to the way we work. Peter Aykens and Sari Wilde, two leaders of the…
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Looking Beyond the 4-Year Degree, With Kathleen deLaski
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34:11The workforce is increasingly exploring learning opportunities outside of the four-year college degree, such as vocational training and apprenticeships. However, organizations struggle to adapt their talent processes to a workforce with changing demographics and preferences. Kathleen deLaski, author of “Who Needs College Anymore? Imagining a Future…
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SPOTLIGHT: Making Sense of the Labor Market with Gad Levanon
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29:36Three key changes are impacting today’s labor market: a changing workforce composition, evolving attitudes toward work, and new tools and technologies to empower employees and candidates. HR leaders must understand the implications of these changes as they set talent strategies and build out capabilities for their organizations. Gad Levanon, chief …
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SPOTLIGHT: Boosting Workforce Productivity with Booking Holdings CHRO Paulo Pisano
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28:53The proliferation of remote and hybrid work has forced managers and HR leaders to rethink how they keep tabs on workforce productivity. Meanwhile, emerging technologies like generative AI have raised expectations for what future productivity can look like. While productivity has always been elusive to define and measure in the context of knowledge …
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Communicating for Connection, With Charles Duhigg
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47:39Communication is a critical skill for leaders and managers, who run into problems when their teams feel unsupported or unheard. Charles Duhigg, Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist and author of “Supercommunicators: How to Unlock the Secret Language of Connection,” joins the Talent Angle Podcast to share his findings on communication. Charles identifi…
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SPOTLIGHT: A 4-Day Work Week to Recharge the Workforce With Alex Soojung-Kim Pang
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27:34The four-day work week has gained momentum in recent years, but has not yet entered the mainstream. Alex Soojung-Kim Pang, Global Programs Director at 4 Day Week Global, joins the Talent Angle to explain why organizations should consider experimenting with new ways of working. He highlights the importance of rest for human creativity and problem so…
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Cultivating Change Leaders, With Red Hat CPO Jennifer Dudeck
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42:01Change agility — the ability to effectively manage and adapt to change — is a top leadership priority for organizations in 2025. As disruption becomes the norm, leaders must adapt and equip their teams to do the same. Red Hat CPO Jennifer Dudeck joins the Talent Angle Podcast to share her insights on how to lead through change and build a strong be…
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SPOTLIGHT: Embracing CHRO Digital Leadership, with Kemper CHRO Ismat Duckson Aziz
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24:21Technology is advancing at a breakneck speed, presenting both new opportunities and challenges for organizations. Ismat Duckson Aziz, Kemper CHRO and Chief Administrative Officer, joins the Talent Angle to discuss how CHROs can shape the technology strategy of their organization. She explains how CHROs can overcome the anxiety that comes with divin…
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Building a Learning Culture, With Bala Sathyanarayanan
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36:48Learning and development is a key lever for CHROs to deliver strategic impact, but it can be a challenge to keep pace with workforce needs. As technology innovation impacts both critical skills and learning delivery, CHROs must evaluate the effectiveness of their learning initiatives and foster an environment of learning. Bala Sathyanarayanan, CHRO…
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SPOTLIGHT: Driving Cross-Generational Collaboration, With NIH’s Julie Berko
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27:27As the global workforce continues to age, it is increasingly vital for organizations to have both efficient succession plans and effective knowledge sharing between their employees. Julie Berko, Director of the Office of Human Resources at the National Institutes of Health (NIH), joins the Talent Angle to discuss how organizations can leverage data…
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Beating Burnout, With Daisy Auger-Domínguez
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43:27Burnout can impact employees at all levels, including the very managers and leaders tasked with spotting it on their teams. Daisy Auger-Domínguez, author of “Burnt Out to Lit Up: How to Reignite the Joy of Leading People,” joins the Talent Angle Podcast to discuss how she managed her own burnout while leading a global team through the COVID-19 pand…
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9 Trends Shaping the Future of Work in 2025
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47:46To access the 2025 future of work trends research, see: https://www.gartner.com/en/human-resources/trends/future-of-work-2025-toolkit Entering 2025, organizations face a host of environmental shifts, such as economic uncertainty, changing workforce demographics and continued AI innovation. As CHROs set their strategies for 2025, they must help thei…
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In 2024, experts joined the Gartner Talent Angle to discuss the world of careers. Author Dorie Clark shares how HR leaders can help employees achieve meaningful career growth and long-term success at work. Author and Professor Martin Gutmann looks back through history to surface new ideas about identifying strong leaders and building effective succ…
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Expert guests joined the Gartner Talent Angle throughout 2024 to discuss shifts in the labor market. Economist and labor market expert Gad Levanon shares how HR leaders can capitalize on changes in the talent landscape to give their organizations an edge. Professor Joseph Fuller then offers findings from his latest research on skills-based hiring, …
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In 2024, expert guests joined the Gartner Talent Angle to discuss the everchanging future of work. Professor and author Matt Beane shares his insights on how learning and development (L&D) leaders can play a strategic role in unlocking human ability in the age of intelligent machines. Alex Soojung-Kim Pang unpacks how the four-day work week can rec…
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In 2024, expert guests joined the Gartner Talent Angle to share their advice on the trickiest apsects of leadership that are critical to success in the modern world of work: uncertainty, conflict and failure. Nathan Furr and Susasannhah Harmon Furr detail how organizations can navigate uncertainty to drive transformation and innovation. Amy Gallo s…
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SPOTLIGHT: Hiring Second-Chance Talent With Jeff Korzenik
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24:47In this Gartner Talent Angle episode, author and banker Jeff Korzenik shares insights about the second-chance talent pool—that is, reemploying candidates with criminal records. He offers practical advice on tapping into non-traditional sources of talent by differentiating between felony types, partnering with nonprofits and reevaluating legacy tale…
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SPOTLIGHT: Still Leading From the Heart With Mark Crowley
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23:21Mark C. Crowley joins the Gartner Talent Angle to discuss why today’s unparalleled workplace challenges prompted him to release a second edition of his book, “Lead from the Heart: Transformational Leadership for the 21st Century” more than a decade after it was first published. Backed by scientific findings on employee motivation, Crowley outlines …
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SPOTLIGHT: Humanizing Digital Transformation With Gerald Kane
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34:29As many organizations struggle to keep pace with technological innovations, digital transformation is a top priority. Gerald Kane, professor of information systems at the University of Georgia’s Terry College of Business, joins the Gartner Talent Angle to explore the opportunities these digital disruptions create and to inspire HR leaders to approa…
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Fighting Against Time Management With Oliver Burkeman
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46:02Employees and leaders frequently grapple with the challenge of insufficient time. This scarcity often serves as a legitimate rationale for incomplete tasks and unmet objectives at work, prompting employees to explore various time management strategies and tools. Oliver Burkeman, acclaimed author of the New York Times bestseller "Four Thousand Weeks…
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SPOTLIGHT: Leading Through Constant Change With Caleb Gardner
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27:13Author Caleb Gardner argues that while change has been constant for some time, organizations are still unprepared to address it. In his latest book, “No Point B: Rules for Leading Change in the New Hyper-Connected, Radically Conscious Economy,” Gardner lays out his vision for how organizations should approach change in the new environment. The foun…
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Thinking Long Term at Work With Dorie Clark
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39:29As the pace and complexity of work continues to increase, employees can feel trapped in a cycle of execution, leaving them without the time or capacity to think strategically about their careers. Dorie Clark, author of “The Long Game: How to Be a Long-Term Thinker in a Short-Term World,” joins the Talent Angle to outline how HR leaders can support …
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SPOTLIGHT: Ensuring Leader Health and Performance
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21:31Business leaders today are struggling with managing their well-being, working with other leaders and mitigating their blind spots. Gartner analyst Rob O’Donohue joins the Talent Angle to discuss his research on how the most successful leaders thrive despite rising employee burnout and employee-employer mistrust. Rob advises how leaders can manage t…
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Learning From History’s Unseen Leaders With Martin Gutmann
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47:09Succession planning is an integral component of an organization's talent management strategy, but HR leaders are often unsure if they’re identifying the best-suited candidates for succession pipelines. Martin Gutmann, a professor at the Lucerne School of Business in Switzerland and the author of “The Unseen Leader: How History Can Help Us Rethink L…
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SPOTLIGHT: Navigating Pay Transparency Trade-Offs, With Peter Bamberger
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21:18Employees and candidates consistently value pay transparency, but before HR leaders alter their rewards strategies to meet these expectations, they must first consider their holistic impact on the organization. Peter Bamberger, Professor at Tel Aviv University’s Coller School of Management and author of “Exposing Pay,” joins the Talent Angle to det…
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SPOTLIGHT: Reconstructing DEI, With Lily Zheng
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24:21Despite ongoing obstacles to diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) initiatives — such as employee pushback — author and consultant Lily Zheng argues HR leaders should continue to drive DEI outcomes by balancing ownership with individual accountability. Lily joins the Talent Angle to offer advice from their book, “Reconstructing DEI: A Practitioner’…
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Employers and employees are putting in tremendous effort in trying to make work better. There are now more ways for employees to connect with each other, more opportunities to learn at work and more tools to help work get done than ever before. However, neither employers nor employees are seeing the expected increases in results such as productivit…
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SPOTLIGHT: Reconsidering the Return to Office, With Nicholas Bloom
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20:55After working from home gained widespread adoption out of necessity, organizations must now optimize their remote work strategies for the long term. Stanford Professor Nicholas Bloom joins the Talent Angle to explain the implications of return-to-office mandates for organizations and their workforce. Drawing upon data on employee sentiment, workfor…
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Modernizing L&D in the Age of Intelligent Machines With Matt Beane
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47:43Increased automation and use of tools like robotics and generative AI have fundamentally changed the expert-novice relationships that organizations and knowledge transfer are built on. Professor and author Matt Beane joins the Talent Angle to share his insights on how learning and development (L&D) leaders can play a strategic role in unlocking hum…
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SPOTLIGHT: Adopting an Employee Experience Mindset to Drive Growth, With Tiffani Bova
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21:02Author Tiffani Bova argues organizations don’t see the strong connection between customer experience and employee experience. Despite continued investments in the customer experience, organizations tend to overlook how those changes affect how employees get work done. Tiffani lays out the components of her experience model — people, process, techno…
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SPOTLIGHT: Stop Sending Mixed Signals, Rethink Incentives With Uri Gneezy
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20:23Organizations often unknowingly send mixed signals to their employees. For example, they might encourage innovation but punish failure. Uri Gneezy, Ph.D., joins the Talent Angle to explain how organizations can structure incentives to unlock employees’ full potential. He explains how HR leaders can use incentives to nurture intrinsic motivation in …
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SPOTLIGHT: Ushering in a Postgenerational Workplace With Mauro Guillen
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22:30Author and professor Mauro Guillén joins the Talent Angle to explain how generational labels, such as “baby boomers” or “millennials,” can be counterproductive in the workplace. Guillén offers an alternative vision of a postgenerational society and advocates for a workplace in which individuals are not confined by their age. He urges HR leaders to …
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Sizing the Impact of Skills-Based Hiring, With HBS’ Joseph Fuller
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49:55In recent years, organizations have started to experiment with skills-based hiring by dropping degree requirements and other credentials in job postings to unlock new talent populations. However, a fully-realized skills-based hiring approach demands deep change in talent processes and hiring manager practices. To this point, most organizations have…
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SPOTLIGHT: Building, Breaking and Repairing Trust, With Peter H. Kim
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22:34When organizations break employee trust, Peter H. Kim argues those employees are less willing to go above and beyond to contribute to the organization. Peter, author of “How Trust Works,” goes on to detail why trust in institutions has been declining significantly, despite its importance to our work and lives. Peter explains why we mismanage and mi…
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America’s a mess and no one is excited about any of our choices in the upcoming 2024 Erection. So, we stepped forward to proffer a solution. We arrived at one, but there were bumps along the way. Even though we all three agree on the basics, somehow we figured out a way to disagree on the almost blasé and noncontroversial subject of the Palestine G…
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Spotlight: Planning for Generative AI’s Impact on Jobs
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23:56Three-fourths of HR leaders agree they will be lagging in organizational success if they do not adopt and implement generative AI (GenAI) in the next 12 to 24 months. However, GenAI’s long-term impact on jobs is yet to be determined, and as a result, organizations must prepare for multiple scenarios as they engage in workforce planning and adopt Ge…
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Embracing Failure to Cultivate Innovation with Amy Edmondson
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37:59In their pursuit of heightened productivity, organizations are leaving little room for failure. However, failures are an inevitable part of the innovation process and often serve as a precursor to breakthroughs. By solely focusing on productivity, organizations may be missing out on valuable opportunities for innovation that could propel them forwa…
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SPOTLIGHT: Quantifying the Impact of Inclusivity, With Netta Jenkins
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23:08Netta Jenkins, author of “The Inclusive Organization,” suggests that while organizations have made advances in DEI in recent years, political polarization and economic uncertainty have threatened to undo that progress. Jenkins joins the Gartner Talent Angle to share her advice on the current state of the DEI movement, and she charts a path forward …
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SPOTLIGHT: Rethinking the Frontline EVP, With PepsiCo Foods North America CHRO Patrick McLaughlin
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16:13Patrick McLaughlin, PepsiCo Foods North America CHRO, joined the Talent Angle at Evanta’s 2023 Dallas CHRO Executive Summit in June to reflect on what he refers to as “the inversion of the labor market.” For the first time, there are more jobs than people to fill them. HR leaders are charged with retaining and engaging the frontline workforce amid …
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SPOTLIGHT: Redefining the Manager’s Role, with Former Kimberly-Clark CHRO Liz Gottung
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21:04Mid-level managers are sandwiched between pressure from business leaders to retain employees and rising employee expectations for personalized support and communication. In this Talent Angle episode, former Kimberly-Clark CHRO and member of Gartner’s CHRO Global Leadership Board Liz Gottung encourages organizations to rethink their expectations for…
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Conflict management is an increasingly essential skill for individuals in leadership positions. However, it is a topic that often makes people — especially leaders and managers — feel uneasy. As leaders are responsible for handling conflicts between their employees, teams, and peers, it is crucial for them to have effective strategies for conflict …
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SPOTLIGHT: Sustaining High Performance, With Commvault Chief People Officer Martha Delehanty
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22:45HR leaders are still experimenting with ways to support collaboration, connectivity and performance in response to a transforming global work environment. Martha Delehanty, Chief People Officer at Commvault, joins the Talent Angle and shares insights on how to equip employees for ongoing success to help leaders sustain high performance across the o…
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