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Vikas Gupta shares his journey in tech from his early days learning to code in Pascal, his experience in Silicon Valley, and the journey that ultimately led his to joining . He recounts his experience programming games and designing board games, as well as the challenges of programming in mobile environments. Vikas also shares why he left Silicon Valley to join Dropbox and eventually , and the drive to make a positive change in the world with the food sustainability space.
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- 🔍What the 5 dimensions are for evaluating a language
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedUnfiltered insights on microservices myths, cloud cost reality, and pragmatic technical leadership Two veteran CTOs tear down today's tech hype with brutal honesty and hard-won experience. Raz Schweiger-Shuty shares his controversial approach to technical leadership at auxmoney, where he stopped a microservices rewrite and focused on business outcomes over engineering trends. From his early days as a QA engineer to running 80-person engineering organizations, Raz demonstrates why sometimes the best technical decision is the boring one that actually works. This conversation offers a masterclass in pragmatic technical leadership for an age obsessed with the latest frameworks and architectures. Key insights for technical leaders: • 🏗️ Domain-driven design as prerequisite for any architectural decision • 💰 FinOps strategies that connect engineering decisions to business metrics • 🔄 Modular monolith patterns for teams of 40+ engineers • 📊 Why velocity metrics are vanity and DORA metrics matter • 🚫 Avoiding Kubernetes complexity when elasticity isn't needed • 👥 Conway's Law applied to value stream organization • 🔧 Platform engineering pitfalls and centralization nightmares TIMESTAMPS: [00:01:00] Show premise: Two CTO Dinosaurs vs. Today's Tech Hype [00:03:56] Raz's unconventional path: QA to CTO via pragmatic learning [00:08:31] Junior vs senior engineers in the AI era [00:11:01] auxmoney: 17 years without a CTO, then Raz arrives [00:13:45] Stopping the microservices migration: building trust through disagreement [00:15:08] Language choices: PHP works, Rust creates hiring problems [00:19:35] Modular monolith strategy using domain-driven design [00:21:56] Value stream teams and Conway's Law alignment [00:22:26] Kubernetes reality check: elasticity vs complexity overhead [00:29:53] FinOps deep dive: €120k to €85k AWS cost reduction [00:32:13] Cost-per-transaction metrics for engineering accountability [00:35:00] Platform engineering centralization dangers [00:40:22] Velocity metrics are broken: focus on DORA instead [00:43:54] Meantime to recovery as team health indicator [00:48:34] Bottom-up AI adoption: Cursor rollout strategy [00:54:16] Fintech security: ISO 27001 and AI supply chain risks [00:56:59] Leadership lessons: building trust through authentic communication…
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedBuilding Human-Level AI for Code: Model Factories, RL at Scale, and Distributed Teams Technical Deep Dives: Poolside’s model factory: end-to-end automation from raw data to production models Scaling RL from code execution: 800,000+ containerized repos, millions of agent tasks Immutable versioning with Apache Iceberg for full traceability Distributed team structure: 120+ engineers across US/EU, monthly in-person sprints Hardware orchestration: 10,000+ H200s, hot swap failover, dynamic allocation Leadership: dividing responsibilities, low-ego culture, and the MIT principle Future of software: managing agent workforces, context window strategies, continual learning "Our model factory runs thousands of experiments before a single production model is trained. It’s an empirical science—every component, from data ingestion to evals, is versioned and traceable." – Eiso Kant Chapters: [00:04:28] Poolside’s unique approach to foundation models [00:13:02] Scaling hardware: 10,000+ H200s and orchestration [00:17:42] RL, agents, and the future of developer tools [00:24:56] Immutable versioning and evaluation frameworks [00:36:04] Distributed team structure and monthly sprints [00:40:26] Leadership, decision-making, and low-ego culture [00:45:54] Lessons for CTOs: breaking process dogma, preparing for agent-driven orgs [00:50:54] The next 3 years: AGI, agent workforces, and the end of manual coding [00:53:44] Context window, continual learning, and model memory [00:56:20] Everything collapses into the model: product, research, and daily life [00:59:46] Advice to a younger self: scale compute, trust RL+LM, and the four-minute mile…
1 #123 - From Nokia to AI-IoT: Engineering the Physical World with Bernd Groß // CEO @ Cumulocity 1:03:07
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedBridging operational technology and cloud architecture for industrial-scale systems The convergence of AI and IoT is reshaping how technical leaders approach industrial systems architecture. Bernd Groß, CEO and co-founder of Cumulocity, shares insights from building Germany's leading IoT platform—from its origins as a Nokia spin-off to becoming a critical infrastructure for companies managing tens of thousands of connected industrial assets. This conversation explores the unique engineering challenges of industrial IoT, where systems must process 50 terabytes of monthly data from wind turbines while maintaining real-time control capabilities. Bernd discusses the evolution from monolithic architectures to microservices, the complexity of supporting hundreds of industrial protocols, and the emerging "AI-IoT" paradigm. Key technical insights: • 🏗️ Speed-layer architecture design for real-time data processing with cloud data lake offloading • 📡 Managing protocol complexity through certified partner ecosystems (320+ PLC protocols) • 🔄 Microservices transformation strategies for industrial platforms on Kubernetes • 🤖 AI model deployment and operationalization across distributed industrial assets • ⚡ Edge-cloud hybrid architectures for latency-critical and regulated environments • 🛠️ Technical debt management during platform evolution and acquisition cycles Thx 2 our partner SoSafe for sponsoring this Episode. Or start a free safety simulation with SoSafe TIMESTAMPS: [00:01:04] Introduction to Bernd Groß and Cumulocity's Industrial IoT Platform [00:03:45] Early Programming: From ZX Spectrum to PC Building [00:07:07] The Nokia Rejection: Language Barriers in Early Career [00:11:51] Nokia's Innovation Incubator and Cloud Computing (2010) [00:17:24] Meeting Werner Vogels: Early AWS and Cloud Architecture [00:20:07] Spinning Off Cumulocity from Nokia Networks [00:21:21] IoT Device Management: Original Platform Vision [00:23:56] Real-Time Architecture vs. Legacy VPN Systems [00:26:33] From APIs to Applications: Learning Customer Needs [00:31:19] Software AG Acquisition: Strategic Partnership [00:34:03] Management Buyback from Silver Lake Partners [00:37:53] AI's Impact on IoT: The Emergence of "AI-IoT" [00:42:03] Speed-Layer Architecture and Data Lake Integration [00:46:46] Edge vs. Cloud: Hybrid Deployment Strategies [00:48:53] Technical Debt: Protocol Complexity and Modernization [00:52:37] Partner Ecosystem: Managing 320+ Industrial Protocols [00:56:59] Leadership Lessons: Trust and Authentic Communication QUOTES: • "When you compare that to the generation, the technology which was available before, there was really a VPN system where you needed to dial into the wind turbine… And today it's very, very different with real-time analytics happening in the background." - Bernd Groß [00:23:56] • "Our platform does data acquisition, data normalization, contextualization of the data. So you need to help structure the data because that is the foundation for your training for your AI model training." - Bernd Groß [00:42:03]…
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedReal-time system architecture lessons from the edge of the energy transition Technical infrastructure enables the modern energy transition. Barbara Wittenberg, CTO at 1KOMMA5°, reveals the engineering challenges behind connecting and optimizing 40,000+ household energy assets while building a unified tech platform after acquiring 80+ companies across 7 countries. Tech leaders will find valuable parallels to their own challenges as Barbara discusses how her team modernized legacy systems, managed complex integrations, and deployed advanced optimization algorithms that must respond in milliseconds to prevent grid failures. Key technical insights include: 🏗️ Building infrastructure-as-code and standardizing operations across acquired companies 📊 Creating data pipelines that connect real-world physical devices to cloud optimization systems ⚡ The millisecond-level responsiveness required for grid stabilization services 🔄 Managing the product transition from siloed applications to integrated platforms 🤖 Leveraging AI to automate complex technical explanations to end users 🧠 Post-merger integration strategies that preserve valuable domain knowledge Thx 2 our partners Surfshark & SoSafe for sponsoring this Episode. Go to surfshark.com/alphalist or use code ALPHALIST at checkout to get 4 extra months of Surfshark VPN! Or start a free safety simulation with SoSafe TIMESTAMPS: [00:00:51] Introduction to Barbara Wittenberg & 1KOMMA5° [00:02:52] Barbara's Journey from Electrical Engineering to CTO [00:05:13] Early Virtual Power Plant Development at E.ON [00:07:05] The Transition from Energy to Tech and Back [00:11:02] Explaining 1KOMMA5°'s Business Model & Technology [00:13:00] The Physics of Energy Systems and Real-Time Control [00:16:41] Grid Operators and the Complex Energy Landscape [00:19:47] Smart Meters and Market Differences Across Countries [00:22:32] Battery Storage and Energy Trading Economics [00:25:35] Building Software Systems for Installation Companies [00:28:54] Tech Stack and Integration of Acquired Companies [00:33:19] Managing 2,500 Employees Across 80+ Locations [00:37:21] Data Standardization and Business Intelligence [00:42:10] Using AI to Explain Energy Decisions to Customers [00:49:22] Female Representation in Energy & Engineering [00:54:28] Closing Thoughts on Consumer Energy Solutions QUOTES: ""We send live signals in two-second intervals to 40,000 assets in the field. In Sweden, we need to respond to grid frequency changes in milliseconds - you can't send faxes, you can't even send an email. You need real-time control of your assets."" - Barbara Wittenberg [00:13:50] ""If you want to bring the best solution, you need to have all assets connected in one system."" - Barbara Wittenberg [00:12:12]…
1 #121 - Canva's Playbook: Scaling Teams, Tech, and AI with Adam Schuck // Senior Engineering Director @ Canva 1:01:03
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedInsights into hypergrowth, late-stage career frameworks, AI adoption, and the tech powering Canva's collaborative editor. In this episode, Tobi chats with Adam Schuck, Senior Engineering Director at Canva, a company that has scaled to over 5,000 employees, 2,000+ engineers, and 230 million MAUs while remaining profitable. Adam shares his journey through startups (including acquisitions by Twitter and Canva) and large tech companies like Google, leading to his current role managing 220 engineers at Canva. They dive deep into the challenges and strategies behind Canva's hypergrowth, including: Scaling engineering teams from 150 to over 2000. Implementing a career framework (Growth & Development Framework) relatively late at 1000+ engineers, moving beyond "minimum viable structure." Canva's approach to AI: Viewing it as a tailwind, fostering experimentation ("AI Impact"), providing broad access to tools (Cursor, Copilot, LLMs), and emphasizing human responsibility ("humans as shepherds"). The core technology decisions enabling Canva's success, particularly the operational transformation logic for real-time concurrent editing and the strategic shift to a unified web-based mobile experience (WebX). Maintaining a startup culture of adaptability despite massive scale. Adam's personal productivity hacks for leaders, focusing on ruthless calendar management and clear goal setting. TIMESTAMPS: [00:00:51] Introduction to Adam Schuck & Canva's Scale [00:03:28] Adam's Personal Nerd Journey (Full Stack, Startups, Google, Twitter) [00:10:00] Canva's Business: Growth, Revenue, and Profitability [00:11:32] AI as a Tailwind: Canva's Strategy and Magic Studio [00:15:36] From PLG to Enterprise: Evolving Canva's Go-to-Market [00:17:21] Conway's Law & Org Structure at Scale (Matrix, Groups, Specialties) [00:19:45] Defining the "Paved Road": Tech Governance and Foundations Teams [00:24:23] AI Impact: Augmenting Engineers, Tooling (Cursor/Copilot), and Responsibility [00:31:29] Implementing Career Frameworks Late: The Growth & Development Framework Story [00:42:10] Tech Secrets: Concurrent Editing (Operational Transformation) Deep Dive [00:46:24] Tech Secrets: The Journey to a Unified Mobile Experience (WebX) [00:52:26] Personal Productivity Hacks for Leaders [00:57:19] Advice to Past Self QUOTES: "We recognized that maybe we were now at the point where it was actually causing more harm than good to not have these kind of frameworks and structure in place." - Adam Schuck [00:33:50] "We're really clear with our messaging to our engineering team that we don't, we're not entitling our team to abdicate themselves of responsibility. That ultimately every line of code that is shipped at Canva, it's a person responsible for that." - Adam Schuck [00:28:46]…
1 #120 - AI's Singularity & Commoditization: Navigating Hype vs. Reality with Georg Zoeller // Co-Founder @ C4AIL 1:13:51
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedDebunking AI hype, exploring security risks, and strategies for CTOs in the age of rapid change. In this episode, Tobi talks with Georg Zoeller, Co-Founder of the Centre for AI Leadership and mercenaries.ai, about the turbulent landscape of AI. Georg, with his background at Meta and deep expertise in AI strategy, cuts through the hype surrounding AI's capabilities and economic impact. They discuss the 'singularity' we're already in, driven by rapid, open-source AI development, and why this makes future predictions impossible. Georg argues that software engineering is being commoditized due to the vast amount of training data available (Stack Overflow, GitHub), making AI adept at code generation but raising profound security concerns like prompt injection. Explore: Why Georg believes blindly adopting AI early is a 'terrible mistake' for most companies. The fundamental security flaws in LLMs (prompt injection) and why they're currently unsolvable for open input spaces. The questionable economics of AI: high costs, self-cannibalizing business models, and the reliance on performative fundraising. How AI tools impact engineer productivity, shifting the bottleneck to decision-making and validation. The geopolitical risks and diminishing trust associated with Big Tech's AI dominance. Actionable advice for CTOs: Invest in understanding, focus on governance beyond the tech team, and consider the strategic value of local/open-source alternatives. TIMESTAMPS: [00:00:51] Introduction to Georg Zoeller [00:02:16] Georg's Fascination with Complexity and Computers [00:03:54] The Commoditization of Software via AI [00:05:13] Training Data: Software Engineering's "Terrible Mistake" [00:11:00] The Dilemma of Operating in Exponential Change [00:12:09] Why Adopting AI Early Can Be a Mistake [00:16:41] Deep Dive: The Unsolved Security Problem of Prompt Injection [00:23:15] The Questionable Economics and Business Models of AI [00:32:23] AI for Information Discovery vs. Decision Making [00:47:08] Geopolitical Risks and the Growth Limits of Big Tech [00:55:46] Recommendations for CTOs in 2025 [01:01:08] Looking Back: Advice for Younger Self QUOTE: "Software engineering profession made a terrible mistake. We uploaded everything we know onto two websites, Stack Overflow and GitHub… our entire profession, our entire knowledge… they're all uploaded… And when it's in the training data… the technology gets really good at creating results." - Georg Zoeller…
1 #119 - Navigating Ambiguity and AI's Impact on Engineering feat. Ivan Kusalic // CTO @ Enpal 56:31
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedLeading in ambiguous environments and the impact of AI on engineering practices In this episode, Tobi talks with Ivan Kusalic, CTO of Enpal, who leads a team of 250 engineers at one of Germany's leading solar energy companies. Ivan shares insights from his extensive technical leadership journey and his recent return to coding after seven years due to his excitement about AI. Ivan discusses how he navigates complexity and ambiguity in the renewable energy sector, where Enpal builds systems to help households manage solar panels, batteries, EV chargers, and heat pumps as integrated energy solutions. He explains the challenges of coordinating with Germany's fragmented energy grid infrastructure and how Enpal's Virtual Power Plant stabilizes the grid by coordinating household energy consumption in real-time. Discover: 🧠 How Ivan uses intuition as a leadership tool while managing complex technical organizations 🌞 The technical challenges of building integrated renewable energy systems for households ⚡ How Enpal's Virtual Power Plant (VPP) helps stabilize the energy grid through coordinated home energy management 📱 Ivan's personal productivity system and thought management techniques 🤖 Insights on AI's impact on engineering productivity and the future of coding 🚀 Practical tips for managing complexity and making decisions in ambiguous environments TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 Introduction to Alphas Podcast 00:54 Meet Ivan Kusalic, CTO of NPAL 02:00 Ivan's Journey into Engineering and Leadership 07:05 The Role of NPAL in the Renewable Energy Sector 14:54 Navigating Ambiguity in Complex Systems 16:30 The Importance of Intuition in Leadership 23:24 Tools and Techniques for Managing Thoughts and Productivity 26:01 The Future of AI in Engineering 29:07 Experimenting with AI in Coding 29:57 Productivity Gains with AI Tools 30:40 Challenges with AI in Complex Projects 31:37 AI's Randomness and Managing It 32:24 Real-World Examples of AI Limitations 35:08 Setting Up AWS Infrastructure with AI 38:10 The Evolution of Tech Stacks 44:35 Adopting AI in Large Organizations 51:01 Reflections and Advice for Engineers 54:28 Conclusion and Contact Information QUOTE: "Intuition is an impulse to explore. It triggers the right thoughts for exploration in a moment that you would otherwise miss." - Ivan Kusalic, CTO of Enpal…
1 #118 - Radical Engineering Culture and High Bar Hiring feat. Stefan Richter // Founder & CTO @ freiheit.com technologies 1:02:51
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedShip Great Software Through Simplicity and Discipline Discover insights into building a high-performance engineering organization with Stefan Richter, founder of freiheit.com technologies. With 25+ years of experience delivering successful software projects for the Who’s Who of European businesses and industries, Stefan shares his philosophy of radical engineering culture and maintaining an exceptionally high bar in recruiting. This episode dives deep into how freiheit.com has achieved their "Never Late, Never Failed" mission through disciplined processes, carefully selected talent, and a relentless focus on simplicity. Listen to find out: 🎯 Why shipping great software is their mission 🧑💻 How they maintain a high bar in recruiting with "tested in life" candidates 📊 Their approach to engineering career levels and continuous feedback 🏗️ Why they prefer full stack engineers over specialized roles 🧩 How they build complex systems from simple components ⚙️ Their custom-built engineering project management tool 🔄 Their program to continually find and remove friction 📈 How they've delivered every project successfully for 25 years 🔍 Why reducing entropy is critical in large software projects 🌐 Why great software should be simple and maintainable for decades TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 Introduction to Alphalist Podcast 00:51 Meet Stefan Richter, Founder of freiheit.com technologies 01:40 Origins of the company and early internet days 03:24 Client portfolio and focus on engineering culture 05:04 Mission: Ship Great Software 07:10 Why freiheit.com focuses on reducing friction 08:57 How they minimize non-engineering roles 09:55 Finding and removing complexity in software 12:07 Hiring strategy and maintaining a high bar 14:22 Looking for candidates that are "tested in life" 16:34 Deal breakers in hiring 18:20 Approach to hiring senior engineers 21:17 Engineering level progression system 23:34 Focus on feedback and continuous improvement 26:07 The problem with specialized roles 28:16 Building custom project management tools 32:28 How they always deliver on time, on budget, on target and on quality 36:52 Reducing entropy in large projects 39:41 Teaching engineers to take responsibility 43:34 Building simple, maintainable software 47:40 Working with corporate clients 51:54 Transition to private equity ownership 56:36 Planning for the next quarter century QUOTE: "Our mission is to ship great software. Great software is actually simple, has as few dependencies as possible, as few parts as possible, like any good machine." - Stefan Richter, Founder of freiheit.com technologies…
1 #117 - Navigating AI Trends with Dat Tran // Partner & CTO @ DATANOMIQ, VP AI/ML @ Beams Safety AI 1:08:42
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedTobi and Dat discuss AI's impact on technical leadership, tools, deep learning, and Europe's innovation scene, including practical use cases for AI agents. AI is moving faster than ever, and staying ahead of the curve is a challenge for every tech leader. In this episode, Dat Tran joins Tobi to break down what’s happening in the AI space, from cutting-edge model releases to AI-powered productivity tools and the global race for AI dominance. Dat has spent years leading AI teams at Idealo and Axel Springer, co-founding AI-driven startups, and now helps companies make sense of AI without the fluff. Together, they explore the latest AI trends, the reality behind AI agents, and how engineering teams can actually get more done with AI today. 🚀 Dat’s journey in AI and tech leadership – From hacking on machine learning before it was cool to leading AI at Axel Springer and co-founding AI startups 🤖 DeepSeek R1’s impact – Why this new Chinese AI model is shaking up the industry and what makes it different from OpenAI’s GPT and Meta’s Llama 🛠️ AI agents & automation – What’s real and what’s just hype? Where do AI agents actually work in business today? 💻 The evolution of coding assistants – How AI tools like Cursor and GitHub Copilot are redefining what it means to be a full-stack engineer 🌍 The global AI race – Is Europe really falling behind? A look at China’s AI boom, US dominance, and what European AI companies need to do to compete 📈 CTO strategies for AI adoption – How to separate hype from real opportunities and where AI can have the biggest impact in engineering teams today If you’re a CTO, AI enthusiast, or just trying to keep up with the latest AI breakthroughs, this episode is packed with insights you won’t want to miss. 00:00 Introduction to Alphalist Podcast 01:02 Meet Datran: From Berlin to AI Consulting 02:01 Datran's Journey in Tech and AI 03:42 The Evolution of AI and Machine Learning 04:25 Challenges and Successes in AI Startups 06:35 The Role of Open Source in AI Development 08:12 Building a Personal Brand in Tech 11:20 Recent Developments in AI 17:33 The Future of AI and Its Impact on Jobs 37:13 Long-Term Code Management Challenges 38:07 The Evolution of Programming Languages 39:34 Boosting Engineer Productivity with LLMs 43:42 The Rise of AI Agents 46:21 Evaluating AI Agents in Business 56:24 Global Perspectives on AI Development 01:01:33 Personal Reflections and Future Outlook 01:07:48 Outro and Final Thoughts…
1 #116 - Exploring Platform Engineering feat. Camille Fournier // CTO @ Open Athena & Author @ O'Reilly Media 1:03:04
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedPlatform Teams and DevOps Optimization: Insights from Camille Fournier on platform engineering, career growth, and CTO strategies for success. How do you create an effective platform team and optimize DevOps? Tobi interviews Camille Fournier about her career, technical insights, and best practices in platform engineering. Camille shares her journey from building her own computers and installing Linux in high school to becoming Managing Director at JPMorgan Chase and authoring influential books for engineers 📚. 👩💻 Camille's early fascination with computers and engineering, including building her own systems and installing Linux 📚 Authoring 'The Manager's Path' and 'Platform Engineering' 🌐 Understanding platform engineering and its evolution from DevOps 🚀 Challenges and strategies in platform engineering for larger companies 💡 Key advice for CTOs on starting and managing successful platform teams Listen here 00:00 Welcome to the Alphalist Podcast 01:09 Introducing Camille Fournier 02:04 Camille's Journey into Engineering 04:37 The Fascination with Platform Engineering 07:43 The Evolution of DevOps and Platform Teams 14:48 Defining Platform Engineering 18:54 Building Effective Platforms in Diverse Organizations 30:35 The Importance of Trust in Platform Teams 33:33 The Role of Product Managers in Platform Products 34:12 Customer Focused Mindset in Platform Engineering 35:02 Measuring Success and Metrics in Platform Teams 35:53 Communicating Platform Success to Leadership 40:22 The Importance of Recognizing Engineering Work 44:31 Avoiding Overengineering in Platform Teams 48:19 Leadership Challenges in Platform Engineering 55:22 Advice for Aspiring Platform Engineers 59:42 Final Thoughts and Reflections…
1 115 - Exploring Growth and Compliance feat. Dennis Winter // CTO @ Börse Stuttgart 1:02:08
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedScaling Tech in Regulated Industries: Engineering Growth with Security, Compliance, and Culture Ever wondered how regulated companies like stock exchanges handle tech growth? Dennis Winter (CTO @ Börse Stuttgart) shares how to build engineering organizations in regulated environments. With experience from embedded systems to leading tech at SolarisBank and Börse Stuttgart, he dives deep into scaling teams while maintaining security and compliance standards 🏦 🏗️ Early-stage tech decisions and building engineering culture 🔄 Evolving team structures and processes as you scale beyond 50 employees 🔐 Security and compliance in regulated environments 🛠️ Infrastructure automation and the importance of early monitoring 🤝 Building team ownership and accountability in regulated companies ⚡️ Role-based access management and device policies Listen here 00:00 Welcome to the Alphalist Podcast 01:12 Meet Dennis Winter, CTO of Börse Stuttgart 02:04 Dennis Winter's Journey into Technology 03:36 Early Career and Challenges 05:38 Building Solaris from the Ground Up 07:13 Fun Questions about Early Tech 08:32 Organizational Growth and Team Building 13:19 Importance of Tech Debt and Compliance 15:57 Scaling Teams and Infrastructure 23:17 Infrastructure as Code and Compliance 27:59 Early Automation Challenges at Solaris 28:22 The Importance of Health Endpoints 28:53 Cultural Shifts and Ownership in Teams 30:46 Scaling Processes with Company Growth 33:49 Role-Based Entitlement Systems 37:56 Security and Compliance in Growing Companies 40:39 Balancing BYOD Policies 45:48 Regulatory Compliance and Team Structure 49:32 Centralizing Infrastructure Responsibilities 56:44 Reflecting on Past Experiences…
1 #114 - Building an SDK feat. Dr. Daniel Hauschildt // CPTO @ IMG.LY 41:06
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedThe Tech and Business Side of Building an SDK Get insight into the SDK business (and learn about cross-platform performance and developer marketing) with Dr. Daniel Hauschildt (MD & CPTO at IMG.LY). As a client-side offering (no servers!), IMG.LY needs to take extra steps to ensure reliability on all devices 📱, platforms 💻 and browsers 🌐. From crafting developer-friendly documentation to optimizing performance on every device and platform imaginable, Daniel shares hard-earned insights from the SDK business. 👨💻What makes an SDK truly developer-friendly? 🤔 📜Documentation: The secret sauce of INBOUND developer marketing 🔌 API Design: Beauty of purpose-driven entry points 🧩How they build for the future with modular design 🐙 Cross-platform support: Native vs. cross-platform frameworks (React, Flutter etc.) ⚙️Why they focus on algorithm optimization over compute optimisation Listen here Timestamps : (00:00) Welcome (00:38) Who is Dr. Daniel Hauschildt (02:15) Pivoting IMG.LY (03:58) Daniel's Nerd Journey (05:28) IMG.LY's Business Model and Growth (06:14) Documentation in Developer Marketing (09:08) Documentation Inspiration (10:06) SDK Business: Technical Challenges and Solutions (10:43) Challenge of Cross-Platform, Cross-Device, and Cross-Browser Support (14:23) How They Modularise the SDK (17:18) Versioning and Breaking Changes (18:29) Algorithm Optimization Over Compute Optimization (21:59) Native vs. Cross-Platform Frameworks (Flutter, React, etc.) (24:15) Documentation Tools (24:54) AI Integration (26:14) Client-Side Functionality (28:03) Future Plans for IMG.LY (32:01) IMG.LY Team Composition (33:20) What Is the ICP of an SDK? (34:48) DevX: Marketing to Developers (35:40) DevX Function Calls (37:48) DevX: UI/UX of API Design (38:47) Message to Younger Self…
1 #113 - Faster Incident Response feat. Tim Armandpour // CTO @ PagerDuty 50:10
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedPlanning AND Practice: The Secret to Incident Response Plan and PRACTICE for better incident response with insights from Tim Armandpour, CTO of PagerDuty. Learn the secrets to resilience from the team that mitigated the impact of a major outage—handling a 250% traffic surge while delivering on their SLA. Listen to find out: 🛠️ Why planning AND practice are both critical for incident response. 🚧 How to practice for incident response (e.g Failure Fridays with Chaos Engineering) 🧑🤝🧑 Ownership: Why tech AND business teams must join post-mortems. ☁️ How to mitigate the impact of your cloud provider’s lower SLA. ⚓ Which architectural patterns are more resilient? ⚖️ WARNING: “bend” the CAP theorem at your own risk Listen here TimeStamps: (00:00:00) Introduction to Alphalist Podcast (00:01:00) Meet Tim Armanpour (00:01:56) Tim's Early Career (00:06:22) Handling Major Incidents at PagerDuty (00:09:21) The Importance of Preparedness (00:13:54) Practicing Failure Scenarios (00:18:16) Resilient Infrastructure and Architectural Patterns (00:22:44) Standardization and Data Management (00:25:48) Exploring Infrastructure Resilience (00:26:20) Achieving High Availability with Lower SLA Cloud Platforms (00:29:38) Defining Meaningful SLIs (00:32:15) Assessing Incident Readiness (00:35:15) The Importance of Ownership (00:41:30) Continuous Improvement (00:43:53) Lessons from a Yogurt Business (00:48:18) Final Thoughts and Takeaways…
1 #112 - Cross Functional Team Members feat. Daniel Bartholomae // CTO @ optilyz 49:10
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedCross-Functional Team Members: What, Why, How Find out about cross-functional team members with Daniel Bartholomae, CTO at optilyz (direct mail SaaS). At optilyz, team members wear multiple hats—whatever hats they need to own the product lifecycle. From product management and design to development and customer engagement, this model eliminates silos and drives efficiency. Daniel breaks down how this innovative approach works, the tools and processes that make it possible, and why it’s a perfect fit for small B2B SaaS companies. Listen to find out: 🚀 How ‘no product managers’ = efficient ‘sprints’ 🛠️ Why optilyz opts for Miro and Asana instead of Jira 🧩 How to find and hire the right people for cross-functional roles 📜 Architectural Decision Records (ADRs): How optilyz documents technical decisions Listen here Timestamps: (00:00) Introduction to the Alphalist Podcast (00:37) Meet Daniel Bartholomae (07:11) LLMs for TDD (09:17) Tech Stack and Tools at Optilize (13:52) Why engineering should not be about pushing tickets (14:44) Cross-Functional Team Members (18:28) Skills and Traits of Cross-Functional Team Members (21:00) Learning Fridays (21:55) Mob Programming (23:04) Transitioning to the Cross-Functional Model (26:22) Simplifying the Tech Stack for Cross Functional Team Members (33:27) Architectural Decision Records (ADRs) (37:13) Scaling the Cross-Functional Model (40:16) Direct Mail Automation and the Fridge Effect (44:44) Memorable Customer Calls: IT + Product (46:38) Advice to My Younger Self (47:55) Closing Remarks…
1 #111 - Organising for Impact feat. Eric Bowman // CTO @ King 56:20
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedOutput → Outcome → Impact | Product + Tech | Adjacent Possibilities How do we actually organize people to consistently deliver value and enjoy the process? This, Eric Bowman (CTO @ King) says, is the core challenge facing any CTO. In this thought-provoking episode, Eric shares insights from his remarkable career in gaming (The Sims, King), e-commerce (Zalando), and navigation technology (TomTom), offering a unique perspective on building high-performing teams and effective tech organizations. Listen in to explore: 🔄 Outcome AND Outputs → Impact (ala Kent Beck’s Universal Value Streams) 🤖 Theory of Adjacent Possibility + Why AI isn’t there yet ⚖️ Product + Tech : Single-threaded (Amazon) vs. Dual Role (Marty Cagan or Google) 🎯 Goals : Kanban-Style Stack Ranking that limits Work-in-Progress 📈 ROI of Tech : Does it increase revenue or accelerate delivery? 🧘 Discipline = Action & Commitment is it time to rethink small teams and platform engineering ? Have a listen. Eric has such a great combination of great combination of experience 🦾, knowledge 📚 and wisdom 🧠. Listen here Timestamps (00:00) Introduction (01:05) Eric Bowman's Career Journey (02:44) The Core CTO Challenge (05:50) Outcome AND Output → Impact (07:57) Accountability Over Output (09:22) Universal Value Streams (10:57) Product + Tech Leadership Models + Dynamics (14:16) Single Threaded Leaders vs. Dual Roles (16:03) CTO Role: Balancing Today and Tomorrow (17:17) CTO Role: Economics of Decision-Making (19:20) Team Organization: Autonomy and Rethinking Small Teams (22:48) Causal Chains, Goals and Feedback Loops (26:52) Discipline = Action + Commitment (29:43) Prioritise Goals with Kanban-Style Stack Ranking (36:37) Platform Engineering: Help or Hindrance? (DORA-inspired) (39:03) CAUTION: Compensating Measures (40:57) Tech Investments: ROI and Value Creation (42:56) AI and The Theory of Adjacent Possibilities (50:35) Why Eric Dislikes the Word ‘Innovation’ (51:48) Quickfire Round: Tools and Tech…
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1 #110 - Developer Efficiency feat. Rebecca Murphey // Field CTO @ Swarmia & Co-Author of Build 53:29
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedAligning engineering with business outcomes, developer productivity and developer experience Become a more effective team in this CTO podcast featuring Rebecca Murphey, Field CTO of Swarmia and co-author of Build. From her years of experience working in the developer productivity organizations at Stripe and Indeed and now at Swarmia, Rebecca knows this conversation isn’t just about developer metrics and productivity - it’s about the broader picture 🖼️. How do we align🧭 our engineering work with business outcomes💸, developer experience 😀AND developer productivity⚡. And just as important, how do we communicate what we’re doing (and not doing) to other stakeholders? Listen to find out: 🔄 Queuing Theory as a paradigm for developer workflow evaluation ⏳ How to allocate time for different engineering tasks 👥 Team Metrics vs. 🧑💻 Individual Metrics 📊 Metrics: DORA, SPACE, BRAINs, and more ⚖️ The ethical debate on tracking developer metrics 🤔 If you optimize for the quarter, do you de-optimize for the future? Listen here About Rebecca Murphey Rebecca is the Field CTO at Swarmia and the coauthor of Build: Elements of an Effective Software Organization. Prior to Swarmia, Rebecca worked in the developer productivity organizations at Stripe and Indeed. About Swarmia Swarmia Swarmia is an engineering effectiveness platform for modern software organizations. Hundreds of data-driven companies from small startups to large enterprises use Swarmia to continuously improve across three key areas: business outcomes, developer productivity, and developer experience. Swarmia connects with the tools your teams are already using: from source code hosting to your issue tracker and chat. With it, you'll stay on top of strategic initiatives, measure key engineering metrics (including DORA and SPACE), and drive continuous improvement in teams. Learn more and start your free 14-day trial at https://link.alphalist.com/swarmia_podcast Timestamps (00:00) Introduction to Alphalist Podcast (00:57) Meet Rebecca Murphy: Field CTO at Swarmia (01:52) Exploring Engineering Effectiveness (04:12) TRENDS: Reason to focus on Why is developer productivity trending? (04:26) 1. Post-ZIRP (05:46) 2. Maturing software industry wants sustainable business models (06:16) 3. Push for simplicity (09:17) BUSINESS VALUE: Aligning with Developer Productivity and Experience (12:07) Queuing Theory: Predicting chaos in developer workflow (15:29) Issue with KTLO (16:07) DEVELOPER METRICS: Is there an ideal mix? (18:19) What is DORA (19:04) SPACE (21:35) Context: Surfacing actionability in metrics (24:44) The Role of Leadership in Productivity (27:21) Balancing Short-Term Desires with Long-Term Needs (28:43) Technical Debt in 4-person startup? Ignore. But hire right (29:54) Allocating Time for Different Engineering Tasks (31:09) Optimize for the quarter and you de-optimize for the future? (32:12) Ethical Debate about Developer Productivity Tools and Metrics (34:18) Team Metrics vs. Individual Metrics (36:12) Gaming metrics: bad or good? (37:32) Is it okay to measure engineers? (40:25) CTO's Role in Explaining Engineering to Non-Technical Peers (42:11) Tips for CTOs on Developer Productivity / Developer Experience (44:54) BRAINS Framework (48:56) Lesson to Younger Self: Engineering + Business Quotes "We can work really fast on the wrong thing. But are we actually working on the thing that the business values? And so I think that's a really key part of the productivity conversation that maybe has been missing in the past is: Are we doing the right things? "The utility that an individual engineer can provide will decrease over time if you aren't tackling that constant increase in complexity." "I don't [know] how to make that message any easier to hear. It really is a question of “do you want to hit this quarter's goals, or do you want to have a sustainable business in two years?’ It's a constant balance between those. I think understanding that those two things are in tension and that *when you are just optimizing for the quarter, you are de-optimizing for the future. *Those two things need to be in balance so that you are continuing to create a sustainable environment for creating more value, right? An environment where you can keep creating value. If you are only creating value and not gardening the environment, then eventually you will not have an environment where you can create value. "…
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1 #109 - Cloud Cost Optimisation feat. Claire Fautsch // CTO @ Joblift 39:08
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedFrom 100k to 30k: How Joblift slashed their monthly cloud bill Save Money on Cloud Costs with Claire Fautsch (CTO @ Joblift). Find out how the team at Joblift slashed monthly cloud costs from €100K to €30K without compromising performance. Listen to find out: 📊 How to build dashboards 📈 How to align cloud costs with business KPIs 🤝 How to get the entire team involved in cost optimization (Spoiler Alert: No FinOps team) 🛠 How to optimize resource allocation and avoid over-provisioning ⚙️ Technical tweaks that made an impact: CUDs, Spot instances, SSD usage, network costs Listen here BROUGHT TO YOU BY SmartRecruiters . About Claire Fautsch Claire Fautsch is working as CTO at Joblift, where she is leading the engineering team but also still enjoying regular coding time. She enjoys being part of a team building innovative products and tackle complex challenges. Besides spending all non-coding and tech time with her family, she enjoys reading and sports Timestamps (00:00:00) – Meet Claire Fauch: From Academia to CTO Claire introduces her background and shares her journey from mathematics to tech leadership at Joblift. Valuable insights on transitioning to leadership roles in tech. (00:08:09) – Early Days of Joblift & Cloud Adoption Strategy Discussion on Joblift’s decision to adopt Kubernetes from the start. How early cloud adoption shaped their current infrastructure. (00:10:01) – Joblift’s Cloud Cost Optimization Journey Begins Key lessons on identifying inefficiencies and how Claire’s team cut cloud costs from €100K/month to €30K/month. (00:13:04) – Strategic Use of Committed Usage Discounts (CUDs) How Joblift leverages Google Cloud committed usage plans to reduce long-term cloud costs without sacrificing flexibility. (00:18:15) – Making Cost Optimization a Team Effort Tips on building a culture of financial awareness and encouraging developers to participate in cost-saving efforts. (00:20:53) – Creating a FinOps Mentality Across Teams Claire discusses FinOps principles and the importance of integrating cost management into developers’ daily operations. (00:28:38) – Technical Adjustments for Maximum Savings Deep dive into resource allocation strategies, auto-scaling adjustments, and network cost reductions in Kubernetes clusters. (00:32:01) – The Impact of Cloud Startup Programs Cautions on relying too heavily on cloud credits from startup programs, with advice on using them wisely to avoid pitfalls. (00:35:10) – CTO Advice: Key Takeaways for Optimizing Cloud Usage Claire’s closing advice for CTOs starting their cloud optimization journey, including the importance of monitoring costs early and fostering a cost-conscious culture. (00:37:39) – A Message to Young Claire: Embracing Risk and Ownership Personal reflections on leadership and learning to take risks as a CTO. Practical advice for tech leaders looking to foster accountability within their teams. About our sponsor SmartRecruiters Want to make recruiting more efficient with AI? Smart Recruiters offers a comprehensive global recruiting solution. They cover applicant management, CRM, talent onboarding, CMS, and reporting. Fossway calls it "the leading platform for talent acquisition." Use their AI-driven solution for active sourcing and candidate selection. Smart Recruiters helps you identify top talent in internal and external databases, providing detailed applicant analysis with weighted matching and scoring. Their AI system also recommends suitable positions for new applicants and improves through user feedback. It ensures bias-free, objective analysis and compliant operations worldwide, supporting over 4,000 companies, including LinkedIn, Visa, Bosch, Axel Springer, and SIXT. Their platform is highly rated by recruiters, hiring managers, and candidates for its intuitive design and easy integration. Ready to elevate your recruiting process? Visit the Smart Recruiters website for free resources on AI and recruiting trends. Book a free consultation and mention the alphalist.CTO podcast for a 10% discount. Just go to: https://link.alphalist.com/smartrecruiters…
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1 #108 - Monitoring as Code feat.Hannes Lenke // CEO & Co-founder @ Checkly 1:02:43
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedHow DevOps has Changed QA Keep an eye on the latest trends in this CTO podcast episode featuring Hannes Lenke (CEO and Co-founder of Checkly). Hannes shares insights from over a decade of shaping the testing and monitoring landscape. From AI-powered mobile testing to cloud-based browser testing to synthetic monitoring, he has seen it all. Listen to find out: 👀 What is "Monitoring as Code"? How does it differ from traditional observability? 🔄 Has DevOps changed QA forever? Is there still a place for dedicated QA teams in an automated world? 🚀 How did Checkly evolve into a PLG company with a sales team? ⚙️ How do they run customer code at scale across 21 global data centers? Listen here BROUGHT TO YOU BY SmartRecruiters Timestamps (00:00) – Introduction to Alphalist Podcast (02:05) – Meet Hannes Lenke (05:13) – Hiring the Right People (07:50) – Hannes’s Journey into Computing (12:30) – TestObject: AI for Mobile Testing in the Early 2010s (16:33) – Globalizing a Berlin-Based Business (21:01) – The Birth of Checkly and Monitoring as Code (23:00) – How DevOps Changed QA (30:52) – The Right Observability Stack for SaaS (37:39) – Cross-Functional Teams vs. Dedicated QA (43:10) – Challenges of Executing Customer Code at Scale (49:08) – How Teams are Arranged at Checkly (50:51) – PLG with Enterprise Sales (53:52) – Lessons Learned as a Second-Time Founder: Pace Yourself About Hannes Lenke Hannes is the co-founder of Checkly. former CEO and Founder of TestObject and General Manager EMEA Sauce Labs. Addicted to devops and passionate about all things tech. About our sponsor SmartRecruiters Want to make recruiting more efficient with AI? Smart Recruiters offers a comprehensive global recruiting solution. They cover applicant management, CRM, talent onboarding, CMS, and reporting. Fossway calls it "the leading platform for talent acquisition." Use their AI-driven solution for active sourcing and candidate selection. Smart Recruiters helps you identify top talent in internal and external databases, providing detailed applicant analysis with weighted matching and scoring. Their AI system also recommends suitable positions for new applicants and improves through user feedback. It ensures bias-free, objective analysis and compliant operations worldwide, supporting over 4,000 companies, including LinkedIn, Visa, Bosch, Axel Springer, and SIXT. Their platform is highly rated by recruiters, hiring managers, and candidates for its intuitive design and easy integration. Ready to elevate your recruiting process? Visit the Smart Recruiters website for free resources on AI and recruiting trends. Book a free consultation and mention the alphalist.CTO podcast for a 10% discount. Just go to: https://link.alphalist.com/smartrecruiters QUOTE: "As a second-time founder, you always think it's so much easier to fall into a second business. I think it's not… the expectations are just larger."…
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1 #107 - Sustainability Over Hypergrowth feat.Tuomas Artman // CTO @ Linear 1:01:16
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedGrow the business, not the headcount with insights from Tuomas Artman (CTO of Linear). Saying no to hypergrowth helped Linear succeed, but how did they do it? How did they build a high-quality product with a smaller team? Listen to find out: How to achieve quality products without increasing headcount 🌱 Avoiding feature bloat: The pitfalls of customer-driven development ⚖️ Why you should build for longevity, not acquisition: The downsides of selling too early 🏛 Why they raised funds after initially planning to bootstrap 💰 Why Full-Stack Engineers are in 👍, and QA Teams are out 👎 Why Linear avoids automated UI tests 🚦 How a local-first synchronization engine ensures a smooth UX ⚙️ Listen here…
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1 #106 - Meritocracy, Backend and Engineer-led Sales feat. Shyam Sankar // CTO @ Palantir Technologies 48:36
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedDiversity in Meritocracy Through Rebellion Discover new ways to do things with Shyam Sankar, CTO of Palantir, who is working to deprecate backend development using their experience with 150 independent dev teams running a collection of 5,000 microservices. Yet this podcast is more than that (although I was blown away by the demo)—expect great nuggets of wisdom on meritocracy, data, and of course, backend. Think of this podcast as a series of back-to-back nuggets of wisdom that not only help you make sense of what you've observed but also open your mind to emerging trends. Listen to find out 👨🍳 How French Restaurants Inspired Engineer-led Sales ⚖️ Finding Success in Contradicting Ideas 🧑💻 The Two Types of Engineers: Artists 🎨 vs. Hackers 🔧 🏗️ How he is working on deprecating backend development 📊 Why data is only as good as the decisions it guides and actualizes 📚 The Power of Ontologies 🧩 Inductive vs. Deductive Reasoning 🌈 Diversity in meritocracy through acts of rebellion 💥 ℹ️ Why you need to reduce information asymmetry +🤖 Like Analog to Digital: How LLMs will change things TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 Introduction to Alphalist Podcast 00:59 Meet Shyam Sankar, CTO of Palantir 01:59 Early Days at Palantir 03:12 Impact of Florida 'Space Coast' Childhood 04:26 Power of Software 05:24 Move to LLMs: Like Analog to Digital 07:10 A Day in the Life of an In-The-Trenches CTO 08:37 Engineers in Product and Sales 09:46 Value of Contradiction 11:28 Two Types of Engineers: Artists and Hackers 12:10 Power Law: Solving the Problems of the Most Futuristic Clients 13:37 Building the Future of Backend Development 14:55 No Greenfield Enterprise Tech: Need to Make Sure It Works with Old Tech 16:13 Companies as Decision Chains and Why Data Is the New Snake Oil 17:21 Ontology 21:17 Inductive Over Deductive Problem Solving 21:56 Deprecating Backend Development 24:36 Will We Need IDEs in the Future? 26:07 Tackling the Application Layer with Clean Abstractions 26:43 Leveraging LLMs for Enterprise Use Cases 27:40 How to Avoid Being a "Jack of All Trades but Master of None" 29:12 Focus on Your Strengths 31:50 Hierarchies: Flexibility Over Flatness 32:28 The Qualitative Reward of Meritocracy 33:19 Diversity, Meritocracy, and Rebellion 34:42 How a Flat Hierarchy Helps the Creative Process 36:52 Reduce Information Asymmetry 38:08 Empower Your Team and Get Out of Their Way 41:47 Don't Settle for the Comfortable Playbook - Innovate 43:34 Reindustrialization and Software-Defined Production 44:37 Why He Is Involved as an IC on Some Projects 45:36 Focus on Your Strengths QUOTES: “Focus on your strengths, go figure out what your superpowers are. Don't worry about the rest of the world, right? It's really that some of the value comes from the internal creative process and knowing who you are, not from being what you think the world needs you to be.” - Shyam Sankar, CTO of Palantir “Your position of maximum growth is also likely a position of maximum pain. Like, no one is telling you this is going to be a pleasant journey, but it is going to be rewarding.” -- Shyam Sankar, CTO of Palantir…
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1 #105 - Trust & Accountability in Remote Teams feat. Sabrina Farmer // CTO @ GitLab 51:08
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedAI-driven DevSecOps Find out how to build trust and accountability in a fully remote team in this CTO podcast featuring Sabrina Farmer, CTO @ GitLab. You will also hear how Sabrina draws on her experience in AI, DevSecOps, and her 19 years at Google to rethink the developer experience. Listen to find out: How Gitlab's CEO Challenge encourages developers to innovate and automate away historic challenges (e.g. Log4js) Why DevOps is just problem-solving 🕵️♀️ at all levels of the stack How to use AI to create teaching moments 💡 in the developer workflow How GitLab onboards quicker with detailed documentation📝 (no tribal knowledge) Listen here Timestamps: (00:00) Introduction to the Alphalist Podcast (00:43) Meet Sabrina Farmer: GitLab's CTO (02:33) Remote Work at GitLab (03:39) Trust and Accountability at GitLab (Part 1) (04:49) ReadMe at GitLab (06:04) Problem Solving and Computer Science (09:40) Having an Impact: The Appeal of DevTools (11:27) Helping People Go Beyond Their Limits (13:03) AI Strategy (16:25) Monolith vs. Microservices? (18:19) What is DevSecOps (21:50) Creating Teaching Moments for Developers Using AI (25:05) Future of Security in the Next 5 Years (25:30) More Data Privacy Aware (27:44) GitLab's CEO Challenge: Encourage Developers to Innovate and Automate Away Historic Challenges Like Log4js (31:43) Choosing AI Models (33:35) Getting Developer Buy-In with AI (37:29) Use AI to Free You Up So You Can Think Strategically (37:48) Use AI Responsibly - Do Due Diligence (39:59) Trust and Accountability at GitLab (Part 2) (44:02) Satya Nadella as Inspiration…
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alphalist.CTO Podcast - For CTOs and Technical Leaders
1 #104 - End-to-End Technical Independence feat. Alexander Matthey // CTO @ Adyen 59:00
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIndependent. Direct. Security First Discover the benefits of end-to-end technical independence with Alexander Matthey, CTO of Adyen. Learn why Adyen cherishes its in-house strategy as Alexander shares how Adyen’s extreme technical independence (no third-party vendors) enables efficiency in everything from libraries to security. Listen to find out: Security First: How Adyen makes security a priority for everyone. 🔒 Pick Up the Phone📞: How direct communication makes them more efficient. How Adyen’s long-term vision drives innovation. 🚀 How Conway’s Law is applied to their team structure Listen here Timestamps: (00:00) Introduction to the Alphalist Podcast (00:44) Meet Alexander Matthey, CTO of Adyen (01:34) Adyen's Founding and Growth (02:47) Alex's Nerd Journey (05:42) Transition from Coding to Leadership (07:28) How GenAI is changing coding (10:52) Life in the FinTech space (15:04) How Adyen's Long-Term Vision Drives Innovation (18:12) End-to-End Independence. No third-party vendors. (20:39) Product Discovery - Start with Customer (22:49) How industry has changed (23:43) Adyen Tech Strategy: Have set languages/tools etc. (27:24) Adyen Tech Stack (27:50) Adyen's Organisational Structure & Conway's Law (28:28) -Biggest Concentration on Payments (29:35) -Teams powering Financial Services (30:39) -Data and Platform Engineering (31:48) Transitioning to Smaller Teams (33:06) Starting from Scratch: Building a Payment System not in 100% private cloud (35:33) The Adyen Formula: Direct Communication via Phone (42:13) Security First: Internal Responsibility (46:16) Tools and Monitoring for Security (49:57) Security if start from scratch (54:07) Advice to My Younger Self…
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1 #103 - David Cramer // Co-Founder + CPO @ Sentry 53:28
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedDevTool 101 and evolving role of co-founder Explore the evolution of both a product and the role of its co-founder in this CTO podcast featuring David Cramer (co-founder + CPO @ Sentry). You will discover the pros and cons of each stage in Sentry's journey (open source -> bootstrap -> VC) and why David's role evolved (CEO -> CTO -> CPO). Listen to find out 🔄 Why his role has evolved: CEO -> CTO -> CPO 🧑💻 DevTool Marketing 101: Inspiration, Attention, and Conversation 💰 How to monetize open source 🎨 How good branding and design can make an "unsexy" product cool 💳 The power of the self-serve model and its impact on sales 👥 Solopreneur vs. small team with friends ⚖️ Does work-life balance exist in tech? Listen here Timestamps: (00:00) Introduction to the alphalist Podcast (01:59) Early Days and Bootstrapping (04:40) Opportunities in the Wild West Days of the Internet (05:48) Building and Learning from Projects (08:55) Branding, Design, and how to make an "unsexy" product cool (12:44) Monetizing an Open Source Product (15:49) Why they started Pessimistic (17:41) Never Change a Thing (18:03) Self-Serve Model: Efficiency and Revenue (20:01) Lean, Efficient Teams (21:26) Work with Friends, not Solo (23:22) Evolving Role: CEO → CTO → CPO (25:14) Burnout, Career Highs, and Lows (27:47) What He is Up to These Days at Sentry (28:59) Why He Doesn't Code at Sentry Much Anymore (30:11) Centering Budget Conversations Around Idea Validation (31:26) Developer Marketing Strategies (32:39) 1. Build Personal Brand as Techie (33:07) 2. Continue with Brand Awareness (34:24) 3. Be Inspired by Best Brands (Even Unrelated), Not Boring Competitors (35:12) Standing Out, Getting Attention: Sentry's First Billboard (37:38) Builder, Not Technologist (40:44) "Academics" and High Demand Skills of the Future (45:27) Work-Life Balance Insights (51:18) Advice to Younger Self…
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alphalist.CTO Podcast - For CTOs and Technical Leaders
1 #102 - Platform Engineering feat. Boyan Dimitrov // CTO @ SIXT 1:11:02
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedPlatform Engineering: Modularised, Standardised and Automated. Discover how to leverage platform engineering 🏗️ for convenience, standardization, automation, and reduced cloud costs in this CTO podcast featuring Boyan Dimitrov (CTO @ SIXT). SIXT is a leading global mobility provider serving customers in over 100 countries worldwide. With 800 tech employees globally, they have spent the past eight years standardizing and modularizing their tech stack to achieve unparalleled scalability. Listen to find out: How to apply the 80:20 rule to Platform ⚖️ How to automate 🔄infrastructure without tickets 🎟️ How to reduce cloud costs ☁️with Platform Engineering How to evaluate ⚖️ an IDP Why they standardize hosting (cloud and database) 🗄️ Open Souce vs. Proprietary - Build vs. Buy Listen here BROUGHT TO YOU BY Storyblok Timestamps: (1:16) Intro (1:21) Introduction to the Alphalist Podcast (1:39) Meet Boyan Dimitrov: CTO of SIXT (2:32) Boyan’s Nerd Journey Journey in Tech (8:42) SIXT’s Tech Stack: From Legacy to Modern (12:21) Microservice vs. Monolith vs. Midsized System (15:30) Platform Engineering (17:41) Platform Mindset (18:18) Modularisation, 80:20 rule and bets on tech trends (19:53) Example: DevOps (23:43) Automations that set up projects (26:40) Size of Platform Team (28:46) Open Source Build or buy (30:28) How to Manage Cloud Costs (31:19) Cost Savings of Cloud Native (31:59) Link Cost To Execution (32:36) Using Platform to abstract tech and allow engineers to focus on customers (36:12) Automating infrastructure - without tickets (38:26) Using Crossplane (39:56) Standardising Cloud Services (40:15) Standardising Database (42:25) Evaluating Proprietary Platforms for IDP (44:25) Optimizing Cloud Costs and Performance (45:20) Constantly improving IDP with inspiration (46:48) Leveraging AI for Development - in a standardised way (47:48) Fast Set Up for Internal Customers (49:41) Internal Application -Supporting the Back Office with AI and Low-Code (52:16) What is next for their IDP and Platform Engineering (52:59) Cool things Sixt is working on (56:33) Tooling for Company Communications (59:06) "Guilds": Creating Communities to Prevent Silos (1:02:28) Balancing Business and Technology (1:04:11) Focus Time (1:06:39) Time Machine: Message to Younger Self About Boyan Boyan Dimitrov is Chief Technology Officer (CTO) of SIXT, responsible for the company’s tech vision and strategy. He oversees the SIXT Engineering Hubs in Munich, Bangalore, Kiev, and Lisbon.Prior to joining SIXT in 2015, Boyan had a long career in the startup ecosystems in the UK and Bulgaria. In his last position, he led the platform teams at Hailo in London, where he worked on a global microservices platform in the mobility space. With over 15 years of experience in cloud and distributed systems, Boyan is a frequent speaker at tech conferences around the world. He holds a bachelor’s degree in network technologies and an MSc degree in IT project management from Aston University in Birmingham. About our Sponsor# Storyblok Finally, a headless CMS that works for both developers and business users. Storyblok offers a combination of visual editing tools and highly customizable content blocks. This is built on modern headless architecture that gives developers the flexibility to build fast and reliable digital platforms. The big benefit of headless CMS is that content can be streamed to any platform via API without having to manage the content multiple times. For example, customers use Storyblok for their websites, online stores, apps, or send the same content to Twitter, WeChat or Alexa skills. Storyblok is now used by over 50,000 developers, product owners and managers in over 80,000 projects in 130 countries. Customers include Adidas, Marley Spoon, Deliveroo and more.…
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1 #101 - AI Revolution Roundtable feat. Jonas Andruilis (Aleph Alpha), Rasmus Rothe (Merantix) & Johannes Schaback (SumUp) 57:44
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedTransformative AI, Build/Buy AI, Business Opportunities and more Get ready for the AI industrial revolution 🦸 in this CTO podcast episode featuring a roundtable of AI AllStars! So much is happening in AI, and you want to be part of it - that is why we asked Jonas Andrulis (Founder and CEO of Aleph Alpha), Rasmus Rothe (Co-founder of Merantix and its AI Campus) and Johannes Schaback (CTO of SumUp) to share with us a broad overview of what CTOs need to know about upcoming AI revolution. Turns out, we aren’t waiting for AGI - we are working on Transformative AI which is in reach for us all. Ready to transform lives with AI? Listen to find out: ~~AGI~~ Transformative AI by 2030 🤖 Why your AI strategy (USP💎) matters more than model choice How to balance AI R&D 🎓with Product 💥and Enterprise Sales 💸 AI Models: Build⚒️/Buy🛒/Pivot 🧭 What are emerging opportunities in AI? (Spoiler: B2B SaaS especially in manufacturing 🏭) How to champion AI 🦸 in your company Loonshots🚀: how to cultivate innovation + Hack to attract 🧲 AI talent to non-tech hubs Listen here BROUGHT TO YOU BY Storyblok Timestamps: (00:00) Welcome (03:39) Meet the AI All Stars (04:31) AGI VS. TRANSFORMATIVE AI (05:28) What to expect in Transformative AI before 2030 (05:53) Agents and Scaling Limits of LLMs (07:07) The Joy of Unsupervised Learning (09:33) The Growing Pains of All AI Applications (10:38) Move to Smaller Models (11:13) RAG Combined with Proprietary Data (12:11) THE ROLE OF TRAINING DATA (14:06) Dreamer Model Architecture (15:25) Synthetic Data (16:49) Where foundational models excel (18:00) AI Sovereignty and Build/Buy/Pivot (20:18) AI Strategy (USP) is more important than model choice (20:29) Example: Detecting contradictory statements using explainable AI with positive and negative sources (22:53) Risk of Vendor Lock-In and Data Breach (25:23) Why companies are pursuing Multicloud in fear of being 'milked' (26:25) BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES IN AI (26:25) 1. Customising Models (28:59) 2. Vertical AI business for industry-specific solutions (30:37) Message for B2B SaaS (31:36) The New Pricing Paradigm Created by AI Products (32:01) Attracting AI Talent (33:38) Investors as Partners First (35:14) Keeping one's ego in check as CEO (36:49) Rasmus's 5-year plan (37:51) What is the Merantix AI Campus (39:31) Hiring The Right Fit AI Researchers (41:22) Balancing AI R&D + Product + Enterprise Sales (42:35) Pivoting an AI-Driven Product (46:10) LOONSHOT: CULTIVATING INNOVATION (46:45) The Challenge of a Loonshot Team on Company Culture (50:18) Loonshot: Can ideas come when isolated from customers? (50:51) Pitching to the Innovation Board at Aleph Alpha (51:39) COMPANY BUYIN: Guiding Companies Through AI Transformation (55:10) How can CTOs get the rest of the company board AI (56:31) Encourage people to try things out (56:57) The Role of the In-House Champion for AI (57:35) 3 Levels AI Company Maturity (58:47) Position your Team to Lead the Next Industrial Revolution (59:28) Bottom Up and Top Down About our Guests# Jonas Andrulis Jonas Andrulis is founder and CEO of the German startup Aleph Alpha, with which he has set the German deep-tech funding record since its founding in 2019. He completed his industrial engineering studies at KIT in Karlsruhe, Germany, with a focus on artificial intelligence and modeling. As a serial entrepreneur, prior to Aleph Alpha, he first founded an AI software company for planning and optimization of complex logistics problems, then for human-in-the-loop training and validation of deep learning algorithms for human-machine interactions. As of 2016, he was at Apple leading AI research in the Special Projects Group. With Aleph Alpha, Jonas aims to build an independent European alternative for the next generation of artificial intelligence, following the example of OpenAI and DeepMind. Rasmus Rothe Dr. Rasmus Rothe is the co-founder and CTO of Merantix, the leading AI group in Europe. He serves as a General Partner of Merantix's venture arm, which builds and invests in AI companies. Merantix also operates an AI solutions business, Merantix Momentum, and oversees the largest AI ecosystem in Europe, including the AI Campus in Berlin and AI House Davos at the World Economic Forum. Rasmus received his Ph.D from ETH Zurich and is a renowned deep learning researcher. He serves as a founding board member of the German AI Association. Johannes Schaback Johannes Schaback is an accomplished entrepreneur and technology executive with extensive experience in the Berlin tech scene. He earned a degree in Computer Science from the Technical University of Berlin and Shanghai Jiao Tong University before joining Rocket Internet as a Software Engineer in 2008. Schaback co-founded LadenZeile.de in 2009, utilizing AI extensively to build the visual eCommerce platform, which was acquired by Axel Springer in 2011. He became a business angel in 2015, and in 2018, joined the management board of online furniture store, home24. Currently, Schaback is the Chief Technology Officer of SumUp, a global financial technology company, leading the development of their cutting-edge payment processing solutions. About our Sponsor# Storyblok Finally, a headless CMS that works for both developers and business users. Storyblok offers a combination of visual editing tools and highly customizable content blocks. This is built on modern headless architecture that gives developers the flexibility to build fast and reliable digital platforms. 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alphalist.CTO Podcast - For CTOs and Technical Leaders
1 #100 - Intuition over 'Data Driven' feat. Jason Fried // co-founder + CEO @ 37signals 58:12
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIntuition over Data-Driven, Hooks over Towel Rails and Profit over Revenue Trust your intuition, you will gain a lot from this CTO podcast featuring Jason Fried, co-founder and CEO of 37signals, a company known for having groundbreaking policies and products (Basecamp, HEY, Once, etc.). He is also bootstrapping hero and author of multiple books (Getting Real, REWORK, REMOTE, It Doesn’t Have to Be Crazy at Work). Listen to find out: Intuitive🔮 over ‘data-driven’ 🔢decision making Hook 🪝 vs Towel Rail 🎏: The Power of Simple, Versatile Products CEO-CTO Relationship: How to counteract the negativity brought on by the typical push-pull 🤼 Why they do Customer interviews post-launch Take-home assessments at 37signals: paid and overloaded 🏋️ Bezos’ shares in 37signals Listen here BROUGHT TO YOU BY Swarmia Timestamps: (00:00) INTRO (03:32) Who is Jason Fried (04:59) Early Days of 37Signals (06:05) Jeff Bezos' shares in 37Signals (09:01) Profits over Revenue (10:42) JASON’S NERD JOURNEY (15:35) The Power of No Expectations as First-Time Founder (16:46) Open Source and Rails (19:06) CEO-CTO RELATIONSHIP (19:34) Scale of Product: CEO's Vision vs. CTO's Reality (22:42) Tips to have a good relationship with the CEO as CTO (23:01) Find common ground (24:32) Positive interactions to counteract the negativity of differing opinions (27:38) HOOK VS TOWEL BAR: Analogy for Simple Products (31:07) How to make sure you are building a 'Hook' (not a Towel Bar) (33:20) 'Heated Towels' and Tradeoffs (34:44) Reverse Engineering Product Decisions (35:27) IDEAS AND PRODUCT DISCOVERY (36:06) Where do Ideas come from? (36:45) The Evolution of 'Hey' Email: An Unfolding Idea (38:31) Why they do Customer Interview only Post-Launch (40:09) INTUITION VS DATA DRIVEN DECISIONS (43:49) Hiring: The Human Element (47:17) TakeHome Assessments - Paid and Overloaded (to test decision-making ability) (48:38) Hiring: Attitude vs. Experience (51:15) Do Less to Accomplish More (51:45) No Estimates - but Appetites (53:46) His Anti-Advice Advice for Younger Self (57:15) Pay attention to CSS About Jason Fried# Jason Fried is the cofounder and president of Basecamp (formerly 37signals), a privately held Chicago-based company committed to building the best web-based tools possible with the least number of features necessary. With David Heinemeier Hansson, Fried is the coauthor of Getting Real: The Smarter, Faster, Easier Way to Build a Successful Web Application; Remote: Office Not Required; and the New York Times bestseller Rework. About our sponsor Swarmia Swarmia is an engineering effectiveness platform for modern software organizations. Hundreds of data-driven companies from small startups to large enterprises use Swarmia to continuously improve across three key areas: business outcomes, developer productivity, and developer experience. Swarmia connects with the tools your teams are already using: from source code hosting to your issue tracker and chat. With it, you'll stay on top of strategic initiatives, measure key engineering metrics (including DORA and SPACE), and drive continuous improvement in teams. Learn more and start your free 14-day trial at https://link.alphalist.com/swarmia_podcast…
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alphalist.CTO Podcast - For CTOs and Technical Leaders
1 #99 -Team Topologies 101 feat. Matthew Skelton, co-author of Team Topologies 1:07:30
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedA CTO’s Primer to Value Flow, Continuous Stewardship and Decoupling in Time Lead a more humane and effective organisation with inspiration from Matthew Skelton, co-author of Team Topologies. Inspired by system design💠, cybernetics🤖 and neuroscience 🧠, Team Topologies allows CTOs to structure their teams in a more humane way that reduces cognitive load 🤯 while increasing user value 🎯. Listen to find out: Value Flow💦: What, why and how to find it Team Topologies🪢: The 3 team types,1 grouping, and 3 interaction modes Why Continuous Stewardship 🛞 is important in software Decoupling🧩 in Time: Amazon’s Secret Source +Why Team Topologies is like Pilates 🏋️ for your company goals🦸 Listen here BROUGHT TO YOU BY Shopify Timestamps: (00:00) Intro (00:56) Welcome (02:11) Matthew Skelton's Personal Nerd Journey (06:44) System Thinking for Effective Humane Organisations (08:18) Team Cognitive Load (08:48) Team Interaction Modes (09:59) The Complexity and Chaos of Human Nature in Organisational Design (10:31) The Influence of Neuroscience on Team Topologies (13:52) How team topologies is influenced by cybernetics, neuroscience and systems (15:40) Getting Started with Team Topologies (16:45) Continuously Adapting (17:55) Then vs. Now: Structuring around Value Flows (22:24) Continuous Stewardship: Responsibility of Software Orgs (26:03) How to have everyone work together (26:45) Workshopping to find Value Flow (30:04) Value Flow: Work Backwards from User Needs, Wardley Maps and Existing Team Structure (33:49) Decoupling in Time and why you become less agile when you rely on PMs (38:30) Amazon's Secret to Scaling and Efficiency (39:58) 4 TEAM TYPES (40:23) Stream Aligned Team (42:54) Enabling Team (43:38) Complicated Subsystem Team (44:34) Platform - grouping of teams (45:34) 3 INTERACTION MODES (45:42) Collaboration (45:49) Facilitation (45:57) X-as-a-Service (46:08) How the Dynamic nature and adaptation to change is the Secret Sauce of Team Topologies (49:28) Ditch Hierarchy for Better Value Flow (54:26) Team Topologies as Pilates for Your Organization (1:01:05) Have the confidence to listen: To Yourself and Others About Matthew Skelton# Matthew Skelton is co-author of the award-winning and ground-breaking book Team Topologies, and Founder & Principal at Conflux. The Team Topologies book was rated one of the ‘Best product management books of all time’ by Book Authority and is widely used by organisations worldwide to transform the way they deliver value. Matthew is one of the foremost leaders in modern organisational dynamics for fast flow, drawing on Team Topologies and related practices to support organisations with transformation towards a sustainable fast flow of value and true business agility. About our sponsor Shopify With Shopify, you’re already running the internet’s best-converting checkout. So, how do you boost your performance and sales further? Checkout Extensibility. With fourteen NEW and EVEN MORE POWERFUL API and UI components, Checkout Extensibility makes it simple to customise your checkout experience. Join the thousands of German businesses enjoying significant boosts in performance and conversion results with Checkout Extensibility. Learn more at shopify.de/editionsdigest…
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alphalist.CTO Podcast - For CTOs and Technical Leaders
1 #98 - Service Levels 101 feat. Alex Ewerlöf - Sr Staff Engineer @ Volvo Cars & SRE Thought Leader 53:41
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedSLIs,SLOs, SLAs - The WHY, WHAT, and HOW Embrace the Site Reliability Mindset with Alex Ewerlöf, Sr. Staff Engineer @ Volvo Cars 🚗 and SRE thought leader. Understand how the different aspects of site reliability work together 🪢 and when you need a DevOps vs. Platform Team vs. SRE. Find out how to set your own Service Level Indicators (SLI), Service Level Objectives (SLO), and Service Level Agreements (SLA), as laid out by the creator of the Service Level Calculator. Listen to find out: SRE 👷 vs. DevOps ⚒️ vs. Platform Engineering🏗️ Service Level 101: How to set SLIs🚦, SLOs 🎯and SLAs 🤝 Washing Machine 🧺🫧 vs. Laundry Room🫧🏘️: The Challenges of Standardization OnCall🎧⚠️: Centralised vs. Team-based? The unique software challenges of the automotive industry. Listen here BROUGHT TO YOU BY DoiT Timestamps: (00:00:00) Intro (00:04:04) Who is Alex (00:05:14) The Nerd Journey: From Assembling Computers to SRE (00:06:58) The Evolution of a Site Reliability Engineer (00:07:55) SRE vs. DevOps vs. Platform Engineering (00:08:32) Washing Machine vs. Laundry Room: The Challenge of Standardization in Large Organizations (00:10:56) Platform vs. SRE (if you are not Google) (00:12:37) Common Platform without Premature Standardisation (00:13:55) Software in Car Companies (00:14:40) Volvo's Strategic Shift Towards In-House Software Development (00:15:06) Swedish Tech Scene: Why Volvo now has offices in Stockholm (00:16:53) Central Platform for Software in the Automotive Industry? (00:18:35) Role of CSO: Chief Software Officer (00:20:09) When the platform is the Product (e.g. Cars) (00:21:42) Implementing Service Levels: A Guide to SLIs, SLOs, and SLAs (00:22:20) What is SLI (Service Level Indicator) (00:22:40) What is SLO (Service Level Objective) (00:23:20) What is SLA (Service Level Agreement) (00:24:24) Leveraging SLOs for autonomous teams in complex products (00:26:08) Relationship between SLI and other Engineering Metrics (00:28:04) Getting Started with Service Levels (00:28:48) STEP 1. Understand SLI/SLOs (00:29:10) STEP 2. Workshop: Identify your Service and What Matters (00:30:02) Setting up SLIs and Alerting for SLIs (00:31:02) STEP 3. Calculate your SLI (00:31:44) STEP 4. Empower team with Good On-Call Practices (00:32:17) Getting Buy-In Across the Organisation (00:33:33) The Significance of Choosing the Right SLIs (00:34:06) Ways to Measure Availability (00:35:43) On-Call Management: Team vs. Centralized Approaches (00:38:22) Downtime of External Vendors (00:40:47) Why SLI needs to come from consumers (00:43:01) SLOs: Setting Realistic SLOs and Avoiding Common Pitfalls (00:44:05) Meaning of 'Objective' differs in OKR and SLO (00:46:18) Financial Incentive to Fail Less? (00:48:43) Biggest Mistakes (00:49:30) No Blame Game - Public Metrics Need Cultural Fit (00:51:50) Advice to Younger Self (00:53:01) Stay Curious (00:53:30) Don't Confuse Confidence with Competence (00:54:47) Outro About Alex Ewerlöf # Alex Ewerlof is a Snr. Staff Engineer at Volvo Cars and a Site Reliability Engineering thought leader. He is the author of the Reliability Engineering Mindset , creator of Service Level Calculator and regularly shares insights on his website AlexEwerlof.com . Get 40% off his book with this coupon code. About our Sponsor DoiT As the cloud landscape has evolved, so have its challenges. The shift from adopting to optimising public cloud infrastructure has forced born-in-the-cloud digital natives to grapple not only with growing technical complexities but also the intricacies of cost management and evolving best practices. DoiT addresses these challenges head-on with an intelligent product portfolio and market-leading cloud expertise that equips engineering and finance teams to understand cloud costs in the context of their business, maximise savings with minimal effort, and make costs more predictable. Need help making sense of (and optimising) your cloud costs? Set up a call with a DoiT expert to learn about gaining access to DoiT’s FinOps and infrastructure specialists More here…
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alphalist.CTO Podcast - For CTOs and Technical Leaders
1 #97 - From Maker to Multiplier feat. Pat Kua // CTO Coach and Founder of the Tech Lead Academy 49:42
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedLeadership Unlearnings, Metrics, Mindshifts and Communication Let’s become better Multipliers ✖️ in this CTO Podcast featuring Pat Kua, former CTO of N26 who by popular request now helps CTOs Level Up themselves and their teams. As a sought-after expert in helping ICs transition to leadership roles, Pat shares leadership gems with CTOs. Listen to find out: Why you should fly high 🕊️and dive deep 🤿 Why even ICs need leadership skills 🧑💻 Maker⚒️ to Multiplier🌬️: What you need to unlearn when you move into management. How to communicate: CRY Principle, Translate into Foreign Tongue 💬.. And TCP vs UDP Communication What the long German Hiring Cycles mean for CTOs Listen here BROUGHT TO YOU BY instaffo and DoiT Timestamps: (00:00) Intro to alphalist (02:00) Welcome Pat (03:37) From Accounting to IT: Pat Kua's Nerd Journey (07:14) The Art of Teaching and Mentoring in Tech (12:30) From CTO to Chief Scientist (15:55) Allow devs to try out management (17:28) IC Career Path: EU vs. US (19:37) Trident Model: Leadership skills aren’t just for managers (23:00) ‘Maker vs Multiplier’: IC to Leader (25:14) Do CTOs need to be technical ninjas? (31:35) Flying High and Diving Deep: Is it healthy? (34:02) Staying Sharp in Tech (35:02) Hierarchy of Knowledge (36:39) Maker to Multiplier: How to measure effectiveness? (40:11) What do you need to unlearn when you move from Maker to Multiplier? (42:16) Communication Styles: UDP and TCP (48:29) What long hiring cycles in Germany mean for CTOs. About Pat Kua # Patrick Kua is a seasoned technology leader with 20+ years of experience having done a wide variety of roles including being a developer, tech lead, consultant, CTO and more. His current mission is accelerating the growth of technical leaders through coaching, mentoring and training. About our sponsors Instaffo Instaffo is a recruiting platform that allows you to hire tech talent in less than 25 days. It is loved by over 600 companies - including HelloFresh, Amazon, and MyPoster. By leveraging sophisticated matchmaking and allowing you to chat directly with pre-qualified tech talent right on the platform they’ve made the hiring process 3X more effective. From ‘Matched’ to ‘Chat’ in one go. While classic job portals, in-house active sourcing and headhunters give you the headache of paying upfront, having high setup efforts and dealing with 30% hiring fees, with Instaffo this now history for you. As an alphalist listener, you get to enjoy the Instaffo recruiting platform absolutely free until you find that perfect hire. Already over 2.000 tech talents and companies are connected weekly on instaffo, so what are you waiting for? Go to https://instaffo.com/cto to get started. DoiT As the cloud landscape has evolved, so have its challenges. The shift from adopting to optimising public cloud infrastructure has forced born-in-the-cloud digital natives to grapple not only with growing technical complexities but also the intricacies of cost management and evolving best practices. DoiT addresses these challenges head-on with an intelligent product portfolio and market-leading cloud expertise that equips engineering and finance teams to understand cloud costs in the context of their business, maximise savings with minimal effort, and make costs more predictable. Need help making sense of (and optimising) your cloud costs? Set up a call with a DoiT expert to learn about gaining access to DoiT’s FinOps and infrastructure specialists…
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alphalist.CTO Podcast - For CTOs and Technical Leaders
1 #96 - Radical Transparency feat. Charles Gorintin // CTO @ Alan & Co-Founding Advisor at Mistral 1:02:29
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedRadical Transparency in Salaries, Decisions, and People Discover the power of radical transparency🧐 with Charles Gorintin, CTO of Alan (a French InsurTech) and founding force behind Mistral. He may work in a regulated space, but there is nothing typical about Alan’s setup when it comes to internal matters. Public Salary Framework ✅Searchable Board Meetings ✅4 Managers for 90 FTE✅ Listen to find out: Why the Manager Role is split into Leads🧑💻 and Coaches 🪔 How Transparent Compensation 💸works with public Salary Levels and Performance Reviews How he hires 🤝: talent density, culture add and more specialized than him Why he saw the need for Mistral 🇪🇺 How they leverage GitHub Discussions for public decision-making, ownership, and Chesterton’s Fence Listen here BROUGHT TO YOU BY instaffo and DoiT Timestamps: (02:00) Into (03:33) What is Alan? (05:37) Challenges and Successes in the Insurance Industry (06:40) The Importance of Learning and Adapting in Entrepreneurship (07:06) What is it like to work in a regulated industry? (12:12) What 3 Master's Degrees gave him (13:40) Why Mistral was founded (16:00) His involvement in Mistral (18:43) Why as CTO he is more focused on people than tech (Non-Technical CTO) (21:12) Move Fast and Break Things (22:36) Culture of Transparency (24:07) Cross-team exposure: Bootcamp and Hacker Month at Meta (26:04) Remote (27:37) The Power of Transparency and Fairness in Business (28:22) Why salaries should be transparent? (30:17) Why Levels Are Public (31:14) Public Performance Reviews (31:35) Tools for Performance Reviews (31:53) Company Strategy in the Open (34:07) Leveraging LLMs for Internal Knowledge Management (35:43) 3 Parts to Knowledge (37:14) Leads and Coaches instead of Managers (39:24) Transparency in Decision Making (39:28) Silos in the Company? (40:32) How are Coaches Assigned (41:11) How Coaching Sessions Are Scheduled (42:38) Leveraging LLMs in 1:1s (44:44) Is Radical Transparency for Everyone? (45:52) Distributed Ownership (46:11) Power of Leveraging GitHub Discussion for Discussions and Decisions (46:53) Company Culture of Freedom and Responsibility (ala Netflix) (48:30) Why Talent Density is Important (49:52) Honest Performance Reviews (51:37) Hiring for the Culture Add (53:37) Minimal Meetings (55:30) Creating Culture in a Remote Environment (56:23) 1:1s and Focus Time (58:46) Company Onsite (59:36) 3 Things About Charles Gorintin# Charles Gorintin is the co-founder and CTO of Alan (a French InsurTech) and Cofounding Advisor at Mistral. Prior to co-founding Alan, Charles Gorintin was a data science leader at fast-growing social networks, Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter, where he worked on fighting fake accounts, on growth, and on social psychology. About our sponsors Instaffo Instaffo is a recruiting platform that allows you to hire tech talent in less than 25 days. It is loved by over 600 companies - including HelloFresh, Amazon, and MyPoster. By leveraging sophisticated matchmaking and allowing you to chat directly with pre-qualified tech talent right on the platform they’ve made the hiring process 3X more effective. From ‘Matched’ to ‘Chat’ in one go. While classic job portals, in-house active sourcing and headhunters give you the headache of paying upfront, having high setup efforts and dealing with 30% hiring fees, with Instaffo this now history for you. As an alphalist listener, you get to enjoy the Instaffo recruiting platform absolutely free until you find that perfect hire. Already over 2.000 tech talents and companies are connected weekly on instaffo, so what are you waiting for? Go to https://instaffo.com/cto to get started. DoiT As the cloud landscape has evolved, so have its challenges. The shift from adopting to optimising public cloud infrastructure has forced born-in-the-cloud digital natives to grapple not only with growing technical complexities but also the intricacies of cost management and evolving best practices. DoiT addresses these challenges head-on with an intelligent product portfolio and market-leading cloud expertise that equips engineering and finance teams to understand cloud costs in the context of their business, maximise savings with minimal effort, and make costs more predictable. Need help making sense of (and optimising) your cloud costs? Set up a call with a DoiT expert to learn about gaining access to DoiT’s FinOps and infrastructure specialists…
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alphalist.CTO Podcast - For CTOs and Technical Leaders
1 #95 - Self-Efficacy and the journey from CTO to CPTO and Back feat. David Gebhardt // CTO @ mobile.de 55:28
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedCPTOs, Timeboxing and Inbox Zero Become a better CTO/CPTO with these insights from David Gebhardt, CTO (and former CPTO) of mobile.de (Germany’s largest car vehicle marketplace). Originally the Head of Tech, David evolved into CPTO, eventually leading the 400-strong Product+Tech teams before evolving business needs led him to bring on a CPO and go back to being ‘just’ the CTO (“only” 250 people). He shares why in this great CTO podcast. Listen to find out: Why he went from CTO to CTPO and back 🤔 Self-Efficacy as CTO ✅: How to be effective and FEEL effective Where innovation 💡 comes from (+ mobile.de’s Innovation Days Format) Why PHP isn’t all that bad (not in his current stack.. he shares what is why) Listen here BROUGHT TO YOU BY instaffo . About David Gebhardt: David is the CTO and member of the management team at mobile.de, the #1 German automotive marketplace, serving millions of users monthly and more than 39,000 German car dealerships.David is an impact driven leader at the interface of technology, product and business with 15+ years at IBM, Ernst & Young (EY), eBay and Adevinta, honored among the Capital 40 under 40 (2022). He is a strategic thinker with a pragmatic can-do attitude, enjoying trust-based and to-the-point interactions in cross-functional, diverse teams (ENTJ). David actively supports initiatives and organizations that foster equality and diversity in our society as well as digital education. Outside of work, David enjoys time with his family and is an ambitious endurance athlete, who finished several marathon and an Ironman. TIMESTAMPS (approx) (00:00) Intro to David and mobile.de (05:52) David's Nerd Journey (07:20) Impact, Community and Building Websites for Rock Bands (09:15) Delphi, jQuery and PHP (12:16) Tech Stack at Mobile.de (18:29) The Role of CTO and CPTO (19:18) Innovation and its Source (22:29) Innovation Days (24:16) Going from CTO to CTPO and Back (35:47) Self-Efficacy as CTO (36:09) Strategies for Increasing Effectiveness (39:03) Why it's important to appreciate and reflect on achievements (40:18) CTO Time Management with timeboxing and meeting priorities (43:00) Inbox Zero and Creating Order in Communication Channels (47:44) ChatGPT (49:28) Home Automation: The Typical CTO Pet Project (51:25) Reflections on Career and Personal Growth Quotes:### Inbox zero - in my definition - is not that I need to reply in five seconds. Inbox zero is my goal for the end of the day and end of the week. For me it's really: delete, archive, follow up or answer immediately. ’” - David Gebhardt, CTO of mobile.de, alphalist CTO podcast #95 About our sponsor Instaffo Instaffo Instaffo is a recruiting platform that allows you to hire tech talent in less than 25 days. It is loved by over 600 companies - including HelloFresh, Amazon, and MyPoster. By leveraging sophisticated matchmaking and allowing you to chat directly with pre-qualified tech talent right on the platform they’ve made the hiring process 3X more effective. From ‘Matched’ to ‘Chat’ in one go. While classic job portals, in-house active sourcing and headhunters give you the headache of paying upfront, having high setup efforts and dealing with 30% hiring fees, with Instaffo this now history for you. As an alphalist listener, you get to enjoy the Instaffo recruiting platform absolutely free until you find that perfect hire. Already over 2.000 tech talents and companies are connected weekly on instaffo, so what are you waiting for? Go to https://instaffo.com/cto to get started.…
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alphalist.CTO Podcast - For CTOs and Technical Leaders
1 #94 - Melanie Rieback // Co-founder & CEO at Radically Open Security 1:07:54
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedCybersecurity for CTOs in 2024 Let’s hack cybersecurity in 2024 with Melanie Rieback, Co-founder & CEO of Radically Open Security, the world’s first not-for-profit cybersecurity consultancy with a focus on PenTesting🔏. Melanie is on a mission to fix cybersecurity consulting by putting people before profits and empowering internal teams “how to fish” 🎣. Tune in to hear about the current cybersecurity landscape from the person who not only authored a viral RFID paper (“Is Your Cat Infected with a Computer Virus?”), but also PenTested Tor, Homebrew and Greenpeace. Listen to find out: What is the business model💸 behind Post Growth Entrepreneurship (90% of profits go towards Open Internet Initiatives via NLNet) What to prioritise 🕵️♀️ in realistic internal IT policies (passwords, backups, updates..) Internal vs. External Security Teams Why she uses “Forgot My Password” as a “magic link” to access infrequent sites (and doesn’t remember the password on purpose) Listen here BROUGHT TO YOU BY: Swarmia and codecentric About Melanie Rieback: Dr. Melanie Rieback is CEO/Co-founder of Radically Open Security (the world's first not-for-profit computer security company), and "Post Growth" startup incubator Nonprofit Ventures. She is also a former Assistant Professor of Computer Science at the Free University of Amsterdam. She was named "Most Innovative IT Leader of the Netherlands" by CIO Magazine (TIM Award) in 2017, and one of the "9 Most Innovative Women in the European Union" (EU Women Innovators Prize) in 2019. She is also one of the 400 most successful women in the Netherlands by Viva Magazine (Viva400) in 2010 and 2017, and one of the fifty most inspiring women in tech (Inspiring Fifty Netherlands) in 2016, 2017, and 2019. Her company, Radically Open Security was named the 50th Most Innovative SME by the Dutch Chamber of Commerce (MKB Innovatie Top 100) in 2016. TIMESTAMPS (approx) (00:00) Introduction to the Alphalist Podcast (02:13) What we will discuss today (03:12) What is the Business Model behind Radically Open Security (05:03) The Impact of Radically Open Security's Charitable Contributions (05:43) Where many cyber firms fail us. (09:13) How a Social Enterprise Works (10:15) Giving away 90% of profits? The Bookkeeping and cashflow behind it (13:27) Melanie's Nerd Journey: From human genome to RFD (17:18) Going viral with her RFD Thesis: Is your cat infected with a computer virus? (26:25) The Current State of Cybersecurity and Attack Vectors (26:55) Cybersecurity Challenges at Large Companies (29:18) Cyber Challenges at Smaller Organisations (30:54) Challenges of keeping software up to date at even multinational companies (31:10) Internal Politics and Cyber Policies (31:43) What challenges are fun to PenTest (35:39) Making the best of suboptimal stacks like Wordpress (37:12) Don't forget to back up (39:44) Getting Started: Securing a small team (41:25) Best Practices for Password Policy (42:39) The Future of Cybersecurity: New Approaches and Standards (44:15) 2FA on same device? (45:13) The Importance of Understanding Your Company's Attack Surface (45:35) External vs Internal Cyber Teams (48:52) Finding the right cyber company Quotes:### You don't know how to defend your company until you understand how to attack your company’” - Melanie Rieback, CEO/Co-founder of Radically Open Security,alphalist CTO podcast #94 About our sponsors Swarmia Swarmia is an engineering effectiveness platform for modern software organizations. Hundreds of data-driven companies from small startups to large enterprises use Swarmia to continuously improve across three key areas: business outcomes, developer productivity, and developer experience. Swarmia connects with the tools your teams are already using: from source code hosting to your issue tracker and chat. With it, you'll stay on top of strategic initiatives, measure key engineering metrics (including DORA and SPACE), and drive continuous improvement in teams. Learn more and start your free 14-day trial at link.alphalist.com/swarmia224. codecentric The codecentric Culture and Career Podcast is unique for a company podcast. It is just employees talking freely about their daily life - from IT consulting projects they are working to imposter syndrome. We support this because we think it's pretty cool that codecentric simply lets the colleagues talk about everything, no matter what it's about - project business, Imposter sydrome, further education or parental leave in the consulting business. For us it is definitely worth a recommendation. Listen in - the codecentric Culture and Career Podcast. Note - its in German. Just go to: www.link.alphalist.com/cc…
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alphalist.CTO Podcast - For CTOs and Technical Leaders
1 #93 - The Technical CTO + Readying for IPO feat. Allan Leinwand // CTO @ Webflow 52:54
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedLeveraging Your Tech Knowledge as CTO: Staying Hands-On and Readying for IPO Embrace the technical side 🔧 of the CTO role with Allan Leinwand, CTO of Webflow 🖱️ who has combined technical know-how with great products on every layer of the OSI Model: from setting up HP’s first ethernet, CISCO’s early networks, building the world’s first CDN at Digital Island, and continuing up the stack to enterprise cloud ☁️ (ServiceNow), social gaming 🎮 (zynga), communications 💬 (Slack), eCommerce 🛒 (Shopify) and now webdesign 🎨(Webflow). Listen to find out; Why deep technical knowledge 🧠 allows better products How a monolith can combine individual code ownership and great deploy times 🤔 How to attract 🧲 talent with a ‘boring’ stack (+ Innovation Lab 101) How to embrace the role of a pre-IPO CTO 🧑🚀🚀 How to stay technical as a CTO 🧑💻 Why he ships small fixes from their #UX-Papercut chann Listen here BROUGHT TO YOU BY: WorkGenius and codecentric About Allan Leinwand: Allan Leinwand is the Chief Technology Officer (CTO) at Webflow, where he leads the engineering team. He joined Webflow from Shopify, where he also served as CTO. Prior to that, Leinwand was SVP of Engineering at Slack and the CTO at ServiceNow, where he grew engineering from 100 to thousands and led the team through an IPO. Before ServiceNow, he was the Infrastructure CTO of Zynga, a Venture Partner at Panorama Capital, an Operating Partner at JP Morgan Partners, and spent 7 years at Cisco Systems (among many other roles). Allan is the author of two books ("Cisco Router Configuration" and "Network Management: A Practical Perspective"), an investor, a board member at Compass and a trustee at Harvey Mudd College. He is based in San Francisco. TIMESTAMPS (approx) (00:00) Intro (02:10) Creating A Frontend For Front-End Webdesigners At Webflow (04:31) Allan’s Nerd Journey (08:38) Allan's Experience In Venture Capital (09:16) Allan's Transition To Social Gaming (09:28) ServiceNow And Slack (09:43) Shopify And Webflow (11:04) How Technical Knowledge Creates Technical Excellence (12:41) 2 Types Of CTOs: Thought Leaders And Builders (13:34) Diverse Domains Need Diverse Stacks - Choosing New Challenges (16:22) Webflow's Tech Stack (19:25) Webflow's Secret Sauce (24:05) Staying Technical As A Builder CTO (25:58) The Importance Of Understanding Developer Workflow (26:25) The Role Of A CTO In Understanding And Improving The Tech Infrastructure (26:38) Solving Ux Paper Cuts: Why He Ships Small Changes (28:04) How To Stay Technical As CTO With Community And Coding (30:26) Why Webflow is Monolith (30:52) The Importance Of Code Ownership In A Monolith Structure (31:33) The Debate: Monolith Vs Microservices (31:59) Fast Deployment In A Monolith (Kubernetes And Docker) (33:10) The Role Of A CTO In Code Quality And Team Management (34:03) The CTO In A Pre-IPO Company (34:45) How To Make A Company IPO Ready As CTO (35:09) The Importance Of Aligning Engineering Needs With Business Needs (37:13) The Challenge Of Tech Debt And Its Impact On Innovation (40:36) Attracting Talent With Conservative Stack (43:19) The Role Of Innovation Labs In A Tech Company (46:40) The Importance Of Specialization In Engineering (48:09) Choosing The Right Company: The Role Of Passion And Leadership (51:46) The Importance Of Patience And Persistence In A Tech Career Quotes:### VC is not for everyone. It is hard to be that hands off when you're a technologist at heart ’” - Allan Leinwand, CTO of Webflow,alphalist CTO podcast #93 Look for companies where you passionately believe in the product, you passionately believe you can bring something to it, and they're led by folks that really understand the market they're tracking and they really are passionate about it because those things combined are just an amazing place to” - Allan Leinwand, CTO of Webflow,alphalist CTO podcast About our sponsors WorkGenius Tired of sifting through countless resumes and struggling to find the right tech talent? Look no further! WorkGenius has just acquired Expertlead, known for its innovation in matching tech freelancers with top-tier companies and offering peer-to-peer live coding assessments. Now, they bring even more efficiency to your hiring process. Whether you're a startup or an established enterprise, WorkGenius is now here to turbocharge your hiring process. Say goodbye to the guesswork and endless interviews. WorkGenius matches your candidates experienced senior developers and puts them through tailored, enjoyable, and fair technical interviews. Your company will get the cream of the crop - the most sought-after talents in the industry- while saving your hardworking Tech and HR teams valuable time. Start your journey with WorkGenius - head over to https://link.alphalist.com/work connect with an expert, and find the perfect match for your engineering needs. codecentric The codecentric Culture and Career Podcast is unique for a company podcast. It is just employees talking freely about their daily life - from IT consulting projects they are working to imposter syndrome. We support this because we think it's pretty cool that codecentric simply lets the colleagues talk about everything, no matter what it's about - project business, Imposter sydrome, further education or parental leave in the consulting business. For us it is definitely worth a recommendation. Listen in - the codecentric Culture and Career Podcast. Note - its in German. Just go to: www.link.alphalist.com/cc…
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alphalist.CTO Podcast - For CTOs and Technical Leaders
1 #92 - Manage yourself to better manage others feat. Johanna Rothman // The Pragmatic Manager 57:06
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedSelf Management for CTOs and other Managers Want to become a better manager? Then manage yourself better! From managing the time you spend managing, and all the way to managing how you give your team new tasks… Let's get real with Johanna Rothman, whom they don’t call the Pragmatic Manager for nothing. You will love her straight-talking approach to management. After almost 40 years in management, she can boil down things to sharp principles that will make you either hand pump💯, shoot the link to your buddy🤣… or smile sheepishly🫣. Yip, she got you. (Don’t worry, we won’t judge. Patterns exist because everyone does them. Which is why we need people who have been around the block to call us out 📢on them). Listen to find out: Why you need to manage yourself to better manage others Micromanagement: A recipe for multitasking chaos🤯 and WIP overload. Why Gantt Charts are bad👎. Use Flow Metrics and PERT instead. Who actually needs to be in the C-Suite (HINT: Not 25 people 🤣) + how things have changed since the 70s: from the CTO Role to Feedback loops. Listen here BROUGHT TO YOU BY: WorkGenius and codecentric About Johanna Rothman: Johanna Rothman, known as the “Pragmatic Manager,” offers frank advice for your thorny problems. She helps leaders and teams learn to see simple and reasonable options that might work. Those practical alternatives can help them be more effective with others at work. With those choices, they can choose what—and how—to adapt their product development. With her trademark practicality and humor, Johanna is the author of 19 books, hundreds of articles, and blog posts about many aspects of product development. Her most recent books are the Modern Management Made Easy series. Find her monthly newsletter and blogs at jrothman.com & createadaptablelife.com. TIMESTAMPS (approx) (00:00:00) Introduction to the Alphalist Podcast (00:02:05) Who is Johanna Rothman (00:02:46) Why she is still active at 68 (00:03:14) The Evolution of Product Development Since the 70s (00:03:36) Her Nerd Journey: RPG, Fortran, and Assembly (00:05:10) The Role of Women in the Tech Industry in the 70s (00:06:18) The Power of Tech Career (00:08:20) How the intro of PCs exacerbated the gender imbalance in STEM (00:09:37) How tech has evolved since the 70s (00:13:26) Joanna's Journey into Management and Coaching (00:15:04) How her first book was written unintentionally (00:17:40) The Importance of Self-Management (00:18:02) The Impact of Micromanagement on WIP (00:21:44) The Importance of Collaboration in Management (00:23:06) 7 Management Principles (00:23:25) Clarify your purpose (00:23:49) Develop Empathy with the People that Do The Work (00:24:20) Build a Safe Environment (00:24:35) Catch People Succeeding (00:26:04) How to micromanage less as a manager (particularly a middle manager) (00:29:32) As a manager - does that mean I am always context-switching?(00:30:12) Tracking your time as a manager (00:31:06) The Challenge of Managing a Project Portfolio (00:31:32) The Futility of Yearly Planning (00:31:45) Portfolio Management: Depth vs. Traffic Light Status (00:32:30) Why she never uses Gantt Charts. - only PERT charts (00:32:54) The Power of Rolling Wave Planning (00:33:18) Why Gantt Charts are useless (00:34:03) Flow Efficiency and Flow Metrics (00:34:11) How Cycle Time is Measured Wrong (00:34:57) What she measures (00:35:18) The Shift from Developer Productivity to Developer Experience (00:35:54) Getting Team Feedback on Delivery Dates (00:36:20) The Balance of Immediate and Future Planning (00:37:57) The Evolution of the CTO Role (00:41:25) A CTO needs to be business-minded. Otherwise, they can't have a C-Suite title (00:42:46) When do to do custom features? (00:43:59) The company with 25 C-Suite Execs whose title inflation held them back (00:51:03) The Power of Collaboration. (00:51:54) Reduce Feedback Loops (00:53:55) Collaborate with Peer Manager (00:54:30) Message to Younger Self: Be kinder (00:58:07) Her next book: Fake Agility - when you find yourself in waterfall Quotes:### When we reduce the pressure at the team level for more and more work, we have higher throughput and more results. ’” - Johanna Rothman,alphalist CTO podcast #92 Managers, a Gantt chart is actually the worst possible chart for a manager to see. It's the most optimistic and it's always a lie, right? It's the first date you cannot prove you cannot finish this work by. So why would you look at a Gantt chart? ” - Johanna Rothman,alphalist CTO podcast #92 About our sponsors WorkGenius Tired of sifting through countless resumes and struggling to find the right tech talent? Look no further! WorkGenius has just acquired Expertlead, known for its innovation in matching tech freelancers with top-tier companies and offering peer-to-peer live coding assessments. Now, they bring even more efficiency to your hiring process. Whether you're a startup or an established enterprise, WorkGenius is now here to turbocharge your hiring process. Say goodbye to the guesswork and endless interviews. WorkGenius matches your candidates experienced senior developers and puts them through tailored, enjoyable, and fair technical interviews. Your company will get the cream of the crop - the most sought-after talents in the industry- while saving your hardworking Tech and HR teams valuable time. Start your journey with WorkGenius - head over to https://link.alphalist.com/work connect with an expert, and find the perfect match for your engineering needs. codecentric The codecentric Culture and Career Podcast is unique for a company podcast. It is just employees talking freely about their daily life - from IT consulting projects they are working to imposter syndrome. We support this because we think it's pretty cool that codecentric simply lets the colleagues talk about everything, no matter what it's about - project business, Imposter sydrome, further education or parental leave in the consulting business. For us it is definitely worth a recommendation. Listen in - the codecentric Culture and Career Podcast. Note - its in German. Just go to: www.link.alphalist.com/cc…
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alphalist.CTO Podcast - For CTOs and Technical Leaders
1 #91 - Autonomous Teams: Why, How and Who with Andy Walker // Former Senior Tech Leader @ Skyscanner + Google 46:58
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedAutonomy, Motivation and Purpose Empower your team with the right type of autonomy 🚀 as we define the balance in this CTO podcast with Andy Walker, who has years of experience leadings teams at Skyscanner and Google. After 30 years in tech, Andy finally has the time to share what his hard won insights about tech leadership. You will enjoy his nuanced approach to autonomous teams, team size and work-life balance. Listen to find out: Why the more senior you are, the less decisions you should make 🤔 How to give the right amount of autonomy by career stage 🧑💻 (and how to have the right conversations about it 💬) How to empower 🚀and support an autonomous team What is the ideal team size?🍕 (What happens beyond Dunbar’s Law?) What motivates your team? 🤗 (SPOILER: Autonomy, Mastery🌟, and Purpose ala Dan Pink) why Daily Active Users is the Wrong Metric 🫣 Listen here BROUGHT TO YOU BY: WorkGenius and codecentric About Andy Walker: Andy has over 30 years experience as a software engineer, leader and coach. A ten year veteran of Google where he worked on Maps, Search and Ads and previously at Netscape and Sony. Recently he’s been focused on how to create an environment for teams to do their best work and coaching leaders to enable this. He’s currently writing about the lessons he has learned about working with people and doing ad hoc coaching and the occasional conference talk. TIMESTAMPS (approx) (00:00) Introduction to the Alphalist Podcast (02:06) Introducing Guest: Andy Walker (02:38) Andy's Current Daily Life (03:27) What is Autonomy (04:37) The Balance of Autonomy (04:47) Autonomy in Parenting (06:28) The Importance of Autonomy in Companies (07:24) Communicate to Discover the Right Amount of Autonomy (08:15) Overview of Autonomy Across the Company (10:05) How to Align in Autonomous Teams (10:31) Progression of Autonomy from Junior to Senior (12:01) How to do Autonomy (12:51) Role of Leadership Skills in Autonomy (13:20) The Importance of Communication in Autonomy (14:01) Good Leaders Know How To Apply Leadership Best Practices (15:56) 3-Question Smell Test for Leaders (18:08) Why the best leaders make the least decisions (20:00) Who makes decisions in Multi-Disciplinary Teams (22:28) Bad Managers and Micromanagement (27:20) Effective Teams (30:26) What motivates people (inspired by Dan Pink) (31:03) How Autonomy Motivates (31:19) How Purpose Motivates (33:35) How Mastery Motivates (35:52) Ideal Size for Autonomous Teams (38:38) Ideal Team Size Varies (40:20) Work-Life Balance (41:16) Rapid Fire Questions (42:18) Biggest Mistake Leaders Make With Autonomy (42:32) Why Daily Active Users Could Be a Bad Metric (44:10) Best Prompt to Improve Work-Life Balance (48:00) Advice for New Leaders (48:18) Advice to Younger Self Quotes:### And when we're talking about autonomy within companies, you should understand that you're trying to give every person the most autonomy they can handle at a given point in time ….. And so what you're looking at saying is how much autonomy can you handle right now? And how do we put you in a situation where the bits where you don't have autonomy over what you're learning from so that your ability to tackle larger and more difficult things grows over time? And what tends to happen with autonomy as we don't have that conversation? So when somebody feels that they don't have appropriate decision-making power, they turn around and say, ‘You're not giving me autonomy ‘like it's necessarily a bad thing rather than the better conversation of ‘what level autonomy should you have at this point and how can we help you grow that level of autonomy’” - Andy Walker,alphalist CTO podcast #91 One of my rules of thumb as to whether I'm functioning as a leader was,” How many decisions do I have to make?” And my goal is to never have to make a single decision. This is a futile goal, because that's never going to happen. But it makes me think about how do I push the decision to the lowest part of the hierarchy as possible, so that the people closest to the work are able to have agency over what they're doing. And this should be business as usual. And in fact, if you're working on something, and you're responsible for getting it done, you should have decision-making power over 99 percent of the things in front of you. The interesting case is the edge case for that 1 percent where what you're working on may be mutually exclusive to another team. ” - Andy Walker,alphalist CTO podcast #91 About our sponsors WorkGenius Tired of sifting through countless resumes and struggling to find the right tech talent? Look no further! WorkGenius has just acquired Expertlead, known for its innovation in matching tech freelancers with top-tier companies and offering peer-to-peer live coding assessments. Now, they bring even more efficiency to your hiring process. Whether you're a startup or an established enterprise, WorkGenius is now here to turbocharge your hiring process. Say goodbye to the guesswork and endless interviews. WorkGenius matches your candidates experienced senior developers and puts them through tailored, enjoyable, and fair technical interviews. Your company will get the cream of the crop - the most sought-after talents in the industry- while saving your hardworking Tech and HR teams valuable time. Start your journey with WorkGenius - head over to https://link.alphalist.com/work connect with an expert, and find the perfect match for your engineering needs. codecentric The codecentric Culture and Career Podcast is unique for a company podcast. It is just employees talking freely about their daily life - from IT consulting projects they are working to imposter syndrome. We support this because we think it's pretty cool that codecentric simply lets the colleagues talk about everything, no matter what it's about - project business, Imposter sydrome, further education or parental leave in the consulting business. For us it is definitely worth a recommendation. Listen in - the codecentric Culture and Career Podcast. Note - its in German. Just go to: www.link.alphalist.com/cc…
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alphalist.CTO Podcast - For CTOs and Technical Leaders
1 #90 - Bob Moesta // Co-Architect of the "Jobs to Be Done" Theory 46:34
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedProduct Discovery for Engineers (and CTOs) Invest your engineering resources better by truly understanding the core problem your product needs to solve with this CTO podcast featuring Bob Moesta, co-architect of the Jobs to be Done Theory, who has developed and launched over 3500 products. As an engineer-turned-product-guru, Bob’s explanation of Product Discovery will delight your nerd brain 🧠 (complete with references to set theory, push-pull forces, and the problem space) while being super practical 🔧about the challenges CTOs are dealing with (like scope creep and trade offs). Listen to find out: Why “Build and They Will Come” is a Myth 🫣 SAM (Serviceable Addressable Market) vs. TAM Why engineers should be involved in product discovery 🧐 Customer Interviews: Who to Ask and What to Ask Hypothesis Building Research vs Hypothesis Proving Research Why tradeoffs should be influenced by the opinions of those who already bought 🫠 (and not engineers who ran out of time) Listen here BROUGHT TO YOU BY: Pentalog , WorkGenius and Sipgate About Bob Moesta: BOB MOESTA is a teacher, builder, entrepreneur, and co-founder at The Re-Wired Group , a design firm in Detroit, Michigan. Bob has developed & launched over 3,500 products and sold everything from design services, software, and houses to consumer electronics, and investment services. He’s an adjunct lecturer at Kellogg School at Northwestern University and the author of Choosing College, Demand Side Sales 101, and Learning to Build . QUOTES: "Well, if you think about it, 70% of our life cycle costs are fixed in the first 10% of how we develop and set up a new platform. And yet we spend all the money usually on the backend. And we don't spend that time upfront thinking. And so the more we can spend that time upfront thinking about the right things in the boundaries and understanding kind of the limitations, we then will actually have a better understanding of what to build and what to know." ##Timestamps## (Approx) (00:00) Introduction (05:18) Who is Bob Moesta (07:09) Bob Moesta's Journey in Learning How to Build (08:23) Understanding the Customer's Perspective (08:55) 'Build it and They Will Come' Myth (09:20) Specific Problems People Have (09:54) Limits of Personas in Product Design (10:31) Understanding the Buying Process (11:10) Struggling Moment Insights (11:36) Interrogation Methods in Customer Understanding (13:12) Impulse Buying Discussion (13:31) Context and Outcome in Purchases (15:59) Trade-offs Customers Make (16:11) Espresso Machine Case Study (17:27) Forces in Purchase Decisions (21:19) Total Addressable Market's Role (21:48) Serviceable Addressable Market Importance (24:34) Hypothesis-Building Research (25:34) 4 Forces Helping Change (26:26) Speaking to Past Buyers (27:03) AIDA's Place in Sales (28:03) Jobs to be Done Building Blocks (29:14) Applying Jobs to be Done (29:46) Mormon Church Case Study (30:05) CrossFit as Religion's 'Competitor' (31:09) Getting Started with JTBD (31:16) Top Innovators' Skills (31:51) How People Buy (32:15) Questions for Recent Customers (32:44) Cross Functional Interviews (33:26) Understanding Requirements (33:45) Quantitative vs Qualitative Data (33:57) Choosing the Right Variables (34:44) Prototyping with Qualitative Data (35:12) Iterative Framework Application (36:26) Cross-Functional Collaboration (36:34) Interview Conductors (37:07) Aligning Language and Understanding (37:37) Engineer’s Blindspot (41:20) Innovation Process (42:30) Personas vs. Jobs (43:15) Bitchin' or Switching? Struggle and Workarounds (44:00) Progress Customers Try to Make (44:32) Identifying What Doesn't Matter (45:55) Observation Muscle (46:38) Time Machine (49:32) Advice to Younger Self About our sponsors Pentalog Your project deserves an exceptional team, and your teams deserve the best support! Pentalog is a software company part of Globant, global leader in digital transformation and AI. As a key partner in digital innovation for major international brands such as Google, Disney, Fifa, Adidas, Tripadvisor, Santander or Nissan, the company brings over 20 years of technology expertise into industry transformation and customer experience reinvention through 40 specialized studios, 52 production centers, and 29,000 carefully evaluated experts. Pentalog also invests heavily in continuous education for tech leaders by building tools such as the CTO assessment, decision-making matrices and maturity models, and various resources exploring a tech leader’s role and challenges. To learn more, visit the Resources for Tech Leaders page on the Pentalog website. Sipgate Sipgate is a cloud-based all-in-one telephony solution that will satisfy your company's pretty much every use case. From sales to customer support - having a good connection with your customers has never been easier. The NEW Sipgate App comes with AI-powered features, noise-canceling, and a seamless integration with other business tools like all major CRMs - Your sales team will love it. Their intuitive user interface makes business calling even more efficient and is available on any device or operating system. Great for hybrid teams. Plus, as a German company - they know all your GDPR needs. Sounds good? Well, keep listening as it gets better: As an alphalist CTO podcast listener, you get € 500 worth of free credits when you sign up at https://link.alphalist.com/sipgate and use the code: sipgatealpha in the form there. WorkGenius Tired of sifting through countless resumes and struggling to find the right tech talent? Look no further! WorkGenius has just acquired Expertlead, known for its innovation in matching tech freelancers with top-tier companies and offering peer-to-peer live coding assessments. Now, they bring even more efficiency to your hiring process. Whether you're a startup or an established enterprise, WorkGenius is now here to turbocharge your hiring process. Say goodbye to the guesswork and endless interviews. WorkGenius matches your candidates experienced senior developers and puts them through tailored, enjoyable, and fair technical interviews. Your company will get the cream of the crop - the most sought-after talents in the industry- while saving your hardworking Tech and HR teams valuable time. Start your journey with WorkGenius - head over to https://link.alphalist.com/work connect with an expert, and find the perfect match for your engineering needs.…
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alphalist.CTO Podcast - For CTOs and Technical Leaders
1 #89 - Melissa Perri // Author of "Escaping the Build Trap" and "Product Operations" 1:07:58
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedCTOs Guide to Product Strategy and ProductOps Craft the ideal product strategy in this CTO podcast episode with Melissa Perri, author of “Escaping the Build Trap” and “Product Operations”.Find out how to become truly product-led: from your strategy to your metrics to your tooling. Listen to find out: How to balance qualitative 😍 and quantitative data 🧪 in product Were the mass layoffs caused by overhiring? 🫠Is it a natural part of growth or can companies avoid over scaling? What does the ideal product strategy 🎯look like? What is ProductOps⚙️ and why you need it + how to handle your fellow exec’s "greatest idea ever" (AKA Build Trap Alert) 🚧 WARNING: LISTENING TO THIS PODCAST MIGHT CAUSE YOUR PRODUCT STRATEGY TO ACTUALLY BE SUPER FOCUSED AND USED. ONLY LISTEN IF YOU ARE NOT SCARED OF RESULTS. BROUGHT TO YOU BY: codecentric , Sipgate and WorkGenius . Quote: > I think product management is this careful combination of always balancing the qualitative with the quantitative. It's about synthesizing a ton of data and trying to figure out which direction do we go in.” - Melissa Perri,alphalist CTO podcast #89 Timestamps (approx): (00:00) Intro (02:22) About Melissa (03:35) Melissa Perry's Education (06:13) Her First Exposure to Product Management (07:03) Her Stint as a Software Developer (08:25) How People-Centric Agile Transformed Their Team Culture (10:00) When Expectation Did Not Match Actual Usage Analytics (10:54) Lean Project Management (11:21) How Her Product Thought Leadership Took Off (12:36) Product Management: Balancing Qualitative and Quantitative Data (13:40) The Build Trap (15:09) How to Ground an Executive's AMAZING Idea into Product Management (20:50) How Organisational Structure Could Be a Blocker for Product Management (24:33) How to Get Out of the Build Trap (27:31) Overhiring? Role Consolidation (29:40) How to Avoid Overscaling / Overhiring (34:00) What is the Ideal Product Strategy (36:26) The Importance of Strategic Intent in Company Strategy (36:50) Examples of Top 3 Strategic Priorities (37:23) Aligning the Whole Company with Strategic Intent (38:04) Example of Adapting Products to Achieve a Strategic Intent (38:41) Product Strategy Prompts (39:19) How to Build a Product Strategy (39:51) How to Clarify Your Company Vision (40:11) Defining Strategic Intent (40:33) The Importance of Product in Strategic Decision Making (41:08) Being Realistic (42:08) Understanding Your Current Customers and Their Needs (42:22) Portfolio Strategy (43:03) The Role of Product and Tech in Achieving Company Goals (43:26) The Importance of Integrating Products for Customer Value (44:22) Creating Initiatives for Strategic Pushes (46:54) The Role of Product Operations in Product Management (47:50) The Importance of Data and Insights in Product Operations (50:19) Understanding Your Customers through Market Research (52:27) The Role of Process and Governance in Product Operations (53:53) Ideal Product Strategy Meetings (55:46) Getting Started with ProductOps - First Hires (58:30) How to Align Tech and Product Goals (01:01:36) Ask the Right Questions (01:04:10) One Roadmap includes Tech + Product (01:06:52) Be part of the team- both C-Suite and your own tech team About our sponsors codecentric The codecentric Culture and Career Podcast is unique for a company podcast. It is just employees talking freely about their daily life - from IT consulting projects they are working to imposter syndrome. We support this because we think it's pretty cool that codecentric simply lets the colleagues talk about everything, no matter what it's about - project business, Imposter sydrome, further education or parental leave in the consulting business. For us it is definitely worth a recommendation. Listen in - the codecentric Culture and Career Podcast. Note - its in German. Just go to: www.link.alphalist.com/cc -- Sipgate Sipgate is a cloud-based all-in-one telephony solution that will satisfy your company's pretty much every use case. From sales to customer support - having a good connection with your customers has never been easier. The NEW Sipgate App comes with AI-powered features, noise-canceling, and a seamless integration with other business tools like all major CRMs - Your sales team will love it. Their intuitive user interface makes business calling even more efficient and is available on any device or operating system. Great for hybrid teams. Plus, as a German company - they know all your GDPR needs. Sounds good? Well, keep listening as it gets better: As an alphalist CTO podcast listener, you get € 500 worth of free credits when you sign up at https://link.alphalist.com/sipgate and use the code: sipgatealpha in the form there. WorkGenius Tired of sifting through countless resumes and struggling to find the right tech talent? Look no further! WorkGenius has just acquired Expertlead, known for its innovation in matching tech freelancers with top-tier companies and offering peer-to-peer live coding assessments. Now, they bring even more efficiency to your hiring process. Whether you're a startup or an established enterprise, WorkGenius is now here to turbocharge your hiring process. Say goodbye to the guesswork and endless interviews. WorkGenius matches your candidates experienced senior developers and puts them through tailored, enjoyable, and fair technical interviews. Your company will get the cream of the crop - the most sought-after talents in the industry- while saving your hardworking Tech and HR teams valuable time. Start your journey with WorkGenius - head over to https://link.alphalist.com/work connect with an expert, and find the perfect match for your engineering needs.…
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alphalist.CTO Podcast - For CTOs and Technical Leaders
1 #88 - Luca Rossi // Creator @ refactoring.club 🌀 51:41
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedTime Management + Continuous Learning Tips for CTO Stay on top of your professional development with these learning and productivity tips from Luca Rossi, whose refactoring.club newsletter 🌀 is read by 50k subscribers every week. After scaling Wanderio to 25M users 🚀 as founding CTO, Luca sat down to distill his experiences and in the process created the tech leadership content 📰 he so badly needed. With diagrams. 🖼️ In this alphalist CTO podcast, Luca shares what he has learned about leadership - including the self-leadership needed to structure one's time and effectively harvest the plethora of ideas published online into action. Listen to find out: What is the flaw in the 'State of Flow"?🌊 Why CTOs should write more ✍️ How he structures his day 🌞 Should CTOs be generalists?🤔 How he organises his tech leadership 'news clippings' 🗂️ Tobi getting real 🫣 about recurring 1:1s BROUGHT TO YOU BY: codecentric , instaffo and WorkGenius Timestamps (approx..) (00:00:00) What is the alphalist CTO podcasts? (00:02:23) Who is Luca? (00:03:40) - (00:06:23) Luca's Journey to Full-Time Writing (00:06:24) The Growth of the Refactoring Newsletter (00:07:05) Staying in-the-know when no longer an active CTO (00:09:27) How Luca got into Computing (00:11:11) Wanderio as a Italian Startup (hyperlocal) (00:13:39) New CTO Job? Don't refactor everything (00:18:09) The Rise of the Generalist CTO (00:21:09) How Luca Stays Up to Date on Tech Trends (00:22:19) Why Luca Prefers Newsletters (00:23:26) How to organise ideas from content (00:24:50) Structuring His Day (00:26:41) Finding Your Unique Angle and Voice (00:29:01) Productivity Techniques for Solo Work (00:31:21) Overriding Time Boxes (00:31:41) Flaw in the 'State of Flow' (00:30:27) Time Management Tools (00:31:48) Can CTOs Timebox? (00:33:42) Recurring Meetings (00:35:27) Too Many 1-on-1s? (00:36:39) Curriculum of a CTO School (00:39:57) 3 Tips for CTOs (00:40:44) Which Engineering Metrics (00:45:31) A CTO is a Maker (00:46:35) Share your Thoughts Online (00:47:56) Advice To Younger Self About our sponsors codecentric The codecentric Culture and Career Podcast is unique for a company podcast. It is just employees talking freely about their daily life - from IT consulting projects they are working to imposter syndrome. We support this because we think it's pretty cool that codecentric simply lets the colleagues talk about everything, no matter what it's about - project business, Imposter sydrome, further education or parental leave in the consulting business. For us it is definitely worth a recommendation. Listen in - the codecentric Culture and Career Podcast. Note - its in German. Just go to: www.link.alphalist.com/cc instaffo Instaffo is a recruiting platform that allows you to hire tech talent in less than 25 days. It is loved by over 600 companies - including HelloFresh, Amazon, and MyPoster. By leveraging sophisticated matchmaking and allowing you to chat directly with pre-qualified tech talent right on the platform they’ve made the hiring process 3X more effective. From ‘Matched’ to ‘Chat’ in one go. While classic job portals, in-house active sourcing and headhunters give you the headache of paying upfront, having high setup efforts and dealing with 30% hiring fees, with Instaffo this now history for you. As an alphalist listener, you get to enjoy the Instaffo recruiting platform absolutely free until you find that perfect hire. Already over 2.000 tech talents and companies are connected weekly on instaffo, so what are you waiting for? Go to https://instaffo.com/cto to get started. WorkGenius Tired of sifting through countless resumes and struggling to find the right tech talent? Look no further! WorkGenius has just acquired Expertlead, known for its innovation in matching tech freelancers with top-tier companies and offering peer-to-peer live coding assessments. Now, they bring even more efficiency to your hiring process. Whether you're a startup or an established enterprise, WorkGenius is now here to turbocharge your hiring process. Say goodbye to the guesswork and endless interviews. WorkGenius matches your candidates experienced senior developers and puts them through tailored, enjoyable, and fair technical interviews. Your company will get the cream of the crop - the most sought-after talents in the industry- while saving your hardworking Tech and HR teams valuable time. Start your journey with WorkGenius - head over to https://link.alphalist.com/work connect with an expert, and find the perfect match for your engineering needs.…
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alphalist.CTO Podcast - For CTOs and Technical Leaders
1 #87 - Scott Chacon // Co-founder of GitHub and GitButler 51:51
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedThe Future of Version Control Systems Reimagine version control systems with Scott Chacon, Co-founder of GitHub and GitButler. Because, even Scott, a Git Veteran, will admit it: Git is a pain sometimes. 🫣 There is a serious Merge Conflict ⚔️ between how modern developers code and the workflow ordained by Git in the Linux mailing list days. Version Control Systems (VCS) need to be taken apart by First Principles 🧩 so they can be better adapted to the needs of modern software teams. And this is the branch he is busy with at GitButler 🔧 - which he invited us to checkout. Pull this episode to find out: Is the Git Protocol still useful? Does it just need a better client? 🤔 How to maximize the benefits of centralized version control systems 🫀 Can we stream🚿 our code and commit less? T180 calculator hacks Is there life beyond merge conflicts? 🌈 😅 Listen here to find out. BROUGHT TO YOU BY: codecentric and WorkGenius TIMESTAMPS (00:00) - Intro (02:51) - T180 calculator hacks (05:12) - How Ruby and Git made GitHub (07:00) - Bootstrapping GitHub (07:37) - Monetizing GitHub (08:29) - GitHub’s early days (11:55) - Move to Berlin (13:17) - Scott's passion for teaching (14:46) - How he got back into version control (15:30) - Rethinking the fundamentals of Git (18:19) - Enhancing peer review processes (19:13) - Methods to improve commit (22:16) - The Git Protocol: Revamp or introduce a better client? (24:50) - Why did Pull Request not become part of Git? (26:06) - Innovating Git's virtual branching mechanism (27:52) - The integration branch (29:07) - Challenges of Introducing previews to the workflow (31:38) - How a better Git desktop client will improve things (32:32) - The potential of streaming code (33:35) - Decentralized vs. Centralized VCS: The central point of contact (38:51) - Shifting left - aligning earlier - before you commit (42:29) - Changing lives with a DevTool (43:30) - AI-driven insights in a VCS (45:45) - Rebase vs. Merge vs. ? (47:10) Productivity Hack (52:00) - Advice for Younger Self codecentric The codecentric Culture and Career Podcast is unique for a company podcast. It is just employees talking freely about their daily life - from IT consulting projects they are working to imposter syndrome. We support this because we think it's pretty cool that codecentric simply lets the colleagues talk about everything, no matter what it's about - project business, Imposter sydrome, further education or parental leave in the consulting business. For us it is definitely worth a recommendation. Listen in - the codecentric Culture and Career Podcast. Note - its in German. Just go to: www.link.alphalist.com/cc WorkGenius Tired of sifting through countless resumes and struggling to find the right tech talent? Look no further! WorkGenius has just acquired Expertlead, known for its innovation in matching tech freelancers with top-tier companies and offering peer-to-peer live coding assessments. Now, they bring even more efficiency to your hiring process. Whether you're a startup or an established enterprise, WorkGenius is now here to turbocharge your hiring process. Say goodbye to the guesswork and endless interviews. WorkGenius matches your candidates experienced senior developers and puts them through tailored, enjoyable, and fair technical interviews. Your company will get the cream of the crop - the most sought-after talents in the industry- while saving your hardworking Tech and HR teams valuable time. Start your journey with WorkGenius - head over to https://link.alphalist.com/work connect with an expert, and find the perfect match for your engineering needs.…
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alphalist.CTO Podcast - For CTOs and Technical Leaders
1 #86 - Leading Through A Layoff // feat. Mike Fisher - Former CTO @ Etsy 43:45
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedLeading Through A LayOff: How to downsize nicely Is there a nice way to downsize? Mike Fisher, former CTO of Etsy, shares what he learned when the company downscaled by 27% in 2 rounds of layoffs right before he joined. Find out how you can help your team navigate this sensitive period - both pre- and post-layoff. How much time⏳ you lose in a layoff (the productivity cost of layoff) Why you can’t expect to cut costs ✂️ AND grow Why Availability 🟢 needs to be prioritised as you downsize Layoffing off Generalists vs. Specialists 🧑🔬 How they migrated to the cloud ☁️ Listen here BROUGHT TO YOU BY: Storyblok and WorkGenius TIMESTAMPS: (0:00:00) - Intro (0:02:43) - West Point to General Electric to Etsy (0:08:11) - Downsizing's Impact on Employee Morale (0:09:11) - Knowledge Transfer (0:10:13) - Post Layoff Attrition (0:11:40) - How Being a Monolith Helped (0:13:30) - Cloud Migration (0:15:28) - Lift and Shift vs. Kubernetes (0:18:33) - How a new project helped heal (0:19:30) - The Time Costs of LayOffs (0:22:05) - You can't expect to cut costs and grow (0:24:35) - Impact of where the team was cut (0:26:30) - Advice for CTOs about to lay off (0:27:02) - Transparency During Downsizing (0:28:00) - NB: Watch out for Availability (0:31:12) - Layoffs and Stock Prices (0:33:00) - Short Term and Long Term Planning (0:33:40) - 3X Framework and Product Lifecycle Phases (0:35:00) - Laying Off R & D: Specialists vs. Generalists (0:36:24) - The Dedicated FinOps Team (40:02:58) - Keeping up your Knowledge Network Storyblok Does your current CMS hinder agile development and deployment? Storyblok is a cloud-native API-first CMS that minimizes technical dependencies, enables your development team to create frontends with whatever technology they already know, and your business users to create content only once and publish on multiple platforms. There are numbers to back this up: Storyblok cuts down development time by 50% and provides 582%ROI over 3 years, a study by Forrester found. Go get a free demo of Storyblok and learn how it can improve your speed to market.Just go to: https://link.alphalist.com/cms WorkGenius Tired of sifting through countless resumes and struggling to find the right tech talent? Look no further! WorkGenius has just acquired Expertlead, known for its innovation in matching tech freelancers with top-tier companies and offering peer-to-peer live coding assessments. Now, they bring even more efficiency to your hiring process. Whether you're a startup or an established enterprise, WorkGenius is now here to turbocharge your hiring process. Say goodbye to the guesswork and endless interviews. WorkGenius matches your candidates experienced senior developers and puts them through tailored, enjoyable, and fair technical interviews. Your company will get the cream of the crop - the most sought-after talents in the industry- while saving your hardworking Tech and HR teams valuable time. Start your journey with WorkGenius - head over to https://link.alphalist.com/work connect with an expert, and find the perfect match for your engineering needs.…
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alphalist.CTO Podcast - For CTOs and Technical Leaders
The AI-Driven Future of Software Development, Scaling, and the Open Source git checkout the future of software development with Thomas Dohmke, CEO of GitHub. This broad podcast discusses everything from refactoring and scaling to the CTO/CEO role, from open source to AI as a Dev Tool. Every day Thomas delves into the development of software development - so his 🧠 was a great brain to pick. Listen to find out: Why refactoring 🧩 will always be a part of growth (but AI will help) What was it like being integrated ☂️ into Microsoft post-M&A What are GitHub’s current challenges 👷 Listen here BROUGHT TO YOU BY: WorkGenius and Storyblok TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 Intro 03:18 from East Germany to Silivon Valley 04:36 Ruby 06:29 From Software Developer to Founder 07:35 What happens after Microsoft aquires a company 10:45 Microsoft’s DevTools Ecosystem 12:18 Power of the Open Source 15:36 What has changed in the last 20 years 18:09 GitHub’s vision 18:51 Refactoring Legacy Code with Generative AI 25:42 DevOps and Deploying GenAI code 29:31 The Futility of Focussing on a Scalability in Earlydays Startup 32:59 What Challenges Are Being Worked art GitHub right now? 34:2o SrategyL Ideas and challefs 34:43 The Role of GitHub CEO 38:42 The generalist role of a CTO 41:57 Being a Tech Leader of DevTool 45:26 Mentorship and Inspiration (Steve Jobs) 48:09 ChatGPT 51:51 Advice to Younger Self as German Techie OUR SPONSORS WorkGenius Tired of sifting through countless resumes and struggling to find the right tech talent? Look no further! WorkGenius has just acquired Expertlead, known for its innovation in matching tech freelancers with top-tier companies and offering peer-to-peer live coding assessments. Now, they bring even more efficiency to your hiring process. Whether you're a startup or an established enterprise, WorkGenius is now here to turbocharge your hiring process. Say goodbye to the guesswork and endless interviews. WorkGenius matches your candidates experienced senior developers and puts them through tailored, enjoyable, and fair technical interviews. Your company will get the cream of the crop - the most sought-after talents in the industry- while saving your hardworking Tech and HR teams valuable time. Start your journey with WorkGenius - head over to https://link.alphalist.com/work connect with an expert, and find the perfect match for your engineering needs. Storyblok Does your current CMS hinder agile development and deployment? Storyblok is a cloud-native API-first CMS that minimizes technical dependencies, enables your development team to create frontends with whatever technology they already know, and your business users to create content only once and publish on multiple platforms. There are numbers to back this up: Storyblok cuts down development time by 50% and provides 582%ROI over 3 years, a study by Forrester found. Go get a free demo of Storyblok and learn how it can improve your speed to market.Just go to: https://link.alphalist.com/cms…
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1 #84 - Abi Noda // Co-Creator of the DevEx Metrics Framework 51:36
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedDX: The Developer Metrics that Unlock Developer Productivity Find out the best way to measure Developer Experience 🧑💻in a way that truly enables ⚡ your developers (i.e. Developer Productivity) in this CTO podcast with Abi Noda - co-creator of the DevEx Framework and founder of Pull Panda. For years Abi has been on a quest to discover what developer metrics are the key to happier and more productive developers. He tried PR Analytics (he created Pull Panda🐼 - acquired by GitHub) and DORA, before teaming up with other Developer Productivity researchers 🧑🔬 to create a new framework which focuses on improving developer experience (DevEx) to improve productivity. Listen to find out: Why do companies measure Developer Productivity? 🤷(from both CTO and developer perspective) How to survey your developers? (Sampling, Frequency and Length)📝 How DORA is done wrong in most companies Why he prefers bootstrapping -🥾 but got a unique type of funding for his 4th company. Listen here TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 Introduction 05:09 His Bootstrapping Inspiration 06:29 When investment is good 09:07 Why measure developer productivity? 13:28 Pull Analytics Approach 16:47 How it backfired at GitHub 17:13 Companies Misuse of Data 19:01 Why DORA didn’t work 20:40 'Shiny New Object Syndrome' 22:10 The right and wrong way to do DORA 24:39 How Developer Metrics have Evolved 33:28 Small Teams and Measuring DX 34:32 Measuring DX in larger companies 36:09 Creating a survey (frequency, length, and sampling) 41:21 Honesty in survey responses 43:48 Tips for getting started BROUGHT TO YOU BY: Storyblok and WorkGenius Storyblok Does your current CMS hinder agile development and deployment? Storyblok is a cloud-native API-first CMS that minimizes technical dependencies, enables your development team to create frontends with whatever technology they already know, and your business users to create content only once and publish on multiple platforms. There are numbers to back this up: Storyblok cuts down development time by 50% and provides 582%ROI over 3 years, a study by Forrester found. Go get a free demo of Storyblok and learn how it can improve your speed to market.Just go to: https://link.alphalist.com/cms WorkGenius WorkGenius provides a unique freelance hiring and management solution that covers the entire process from start to finish. We use advanced technology to make it easier and faster for businesses to find skilled freelancers who have been thoroughly vetted. With WorkGenius, you get a comprehensive solution for managing freelancers throughout their engagement. We simplify the hiring process, project management, payroll, and reporting, allowing organizations to make the most of their freelance talent pool and effortlessly manage their existing freelancers. Start your journey with WorkGenius - head over to www.workgenius.com/alphalist connect with an expert, and find the perfect match for your engineering needs.…
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1 #83 - Aviran Mordo // VP Engineering @ Wix 1:06:36
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedThe Wix Guild model, Mentorship and Platform-as-a- Runtime Get inspired about architecture - that of computers and teams - in this CTO podcast with Aviran Mordo, VP Engineering at Wix. I really enjoyed talking with Aviran about both the technical nitty gritty of powering millions of websites as well as the Wix model which - unlike the Spotify model - is still in use at its flagship company over a decade later Listen to find out: How the Wix model works 🪗(+ hiring, personal development and communication across guilds and companies) What is Platform-as-a-Runtime 🚄 Why most microservices 🪢 are done wrong (and are costing you money) How to encourage mentorship 🫶 The infra that powers 7% of the web Listen here - Timestamps 2:10 Aviran’s Personal Journey 9:43 Wix secret sauce 12:26 Cost effective serverless environments for millions of customers. 14:58 The Wix Tech Stack 16:00 The mission to iimprove developer experience 17:00 How people do microservices wrong 21:50 Platform as a Runtime 32:00 The Wi Guild model 35:37 Aligning decisions across internal ‘companies’ 38:40 The Operational Guild Model 54:49 Improving the Guilds through Feedback + KPI of Guilds 1:00:24 Mentorship in the Org 1:06:15 Working on his networking skills BROUGHT TO YOU BY: Storyblok , Zoho and codecentric Storyblok Does your current CMS hinder agile development and deployment? Storyblok is a cloud-native API-first CMS that minimizes technical dependencies, enables your development team to create frontends with whatever technology they already know, and your business users to create content only once and publish on multiple platforms. There are numbers to back this up: Storyblok cuts down development time by 50% and provides 582%ROI over 3 years, a study by Forrester found. Go get a free demo of Storyblok and learn how it can improve your speed to market.Just go to: https://link.alphalist.com/cms Zoho You have probably heard of Zoho. They have been around for 27 years and now offer an all-in-one platform with over 50 mission-critical apps that offer everything from sales to marketing and HR to accounting. All in one platform- connecting the entire enterprise, ensuring communication between departments. But its the user privacy that Zoho offers that makes it stand out. Not only do they not make money by using your data for advertising, but they also have EU datacenters which is a huge win for GDPR compliance See for yourself. Come to their user conference, named Zoholics on 26th and 27th of September 2023 in Cologne, where you can sit down with experts and get to know the people behind the software. Plus, you get 25% off with the promo code OMR_CTO. Just go to: www.link.alphalist.com/zoho codecentric The codecentric Culture and Career Podcast is unique for a company podcast. It is just employees talking freely about their daily life - from IT consulting projects they are working to imposter syndrome. We support this because we think it's pretty cool that codecentric simply lets the colleagues talk about everything, no matter what it's about - project business, Imposter sydrome, further education or parental leave in the consulting business. For us it is definitely worth a recommendation. Listen in - the codecentric Culture and Career Podcast. Note - its in German. Just go to: www.link.alphalist.com/cc…
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alphalist.CTO Podcast - For CTOs and Technical Leaders
How to restructure a large tech and product organisation Find out how to restructure your org using a matrix structure with Gertrud Kolb, CTO of eyeo (the company behind common adblockers). You will find out how Gertrud implemented changes across an already large organisation - from the team typologies to team communications. Listen to find out: How to restructure using team topology 🧩best practices in a large organisation. How to improve requirements engineering ✅ How to gradually consolidate team communications 💬 How ad-blockers are working advertisers to enable privacy-friendly 🎯 targeting Behind-the-scenes at the world’s most popular adblocker Listen here -- BROUGHT TO YOU BY: Zoho You have probably heard of Zoho. They have been around for 27 years and now offer an all-in-one platform with over 50 mission-critical apps that offer everything from sales to marketing and HR to accounting. All in one platform- connecting the entire enterprise, ensuring communication between departments. But its the user privacy that Zoho offers that makes it stand out. Not only do they not make money by using your data for advertising, but they also have EU datacenters which is a huge win for GDPR compliance See for yourself. Come to their user conference, named Zoholics on 26th and 27th of September 2023 in Cologne, where you can sit down with experts and get to know the people behind the software. Plus, you get 25% off with the promo code OMR_CTO. Just go to: www.link.alphalist.com/zoho Timestamps (1:58) - Gertrud’s Nerd Journey (8:24) - Restructuring your org with Team Topologies (15:04) - Working in an interdisciplinary & cross team way (16:00) - Navigating interdependencies with multiple products, teams and interests (21:55) - Inside Eyeo’s Matrix Organization (24:09) - Integrating new companies into the org (28:13) - Consolidating Communication Tools (33:02) - The tech behind ad blocking (41:26) - The move to Ad Filtering…
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alphalist.CTO Podcast - For CTOs and Technical Leaders
1 #81 - Teresa Torres // Author of 'Continuous Discovery Habits' 47:11
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedHow to do continuous product discovery sustainably and as a team Find out how to do continuous product discovery with Teresa Torres who has taught over 12,000 people how to sustainably infuse their daily product decisions with customer input. You will find out why product should not be just a job title, but a mindset that the entire C-suite needs to share. Listen to find out: What is an outcome-orientated mindset? Do we need OKRs?✅ How to build a continuous feedback loop with customers 🪢 Business success 👔 vs product discovery success 🫶 What mistakes people make with product discovery 🕵️ The pitfalls of founder-led product 🤳 (and how to avoid them) Listen here -- BROUGHT TO YOU BY: WorkGenius WorkGenius provides a unique freelance hiring and management solution that covers the entire process from start to finish. We use advanced technology to make it easier and faster for businesses to find skilled freelancers who have been thoroughly vetted. With WorkGenius, you get a comprehensive solution for managing freelancers throughout their engagement. We simplify the hiring process, project management, payroll, and reporting, allowing organizations to make the most of their freelance talent pool and effortlessly manage their existing freelancers. Start your journey with WorkGenius - head over to www.workgenius.com/alphalist connect with an expert, and find the perfect match for your engineering needs.…
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