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The Coach and Bro | WWE Layoffs, Triple H’s Future & Business Behind Pro Wrestling — Coach & Bro Unleashed!
Manage episode 481167767 series 3617073
00:00 — Show kicks off: Coach returns from travel, touts rapid channel growth, and introduces Vince Russo. 00:38 — Coach and Vince discuss audience growth, fan engagement via super stickers, and the “Finger Point of Death” phenomenon: Triple H and the legacy of pointing at future job losses. 04:07 — Major topic: WWE’s annual layoffs. Coach explains staff and talent firings, including Dakota Kai, Braun Strowman, and Shayna Baszler, highlighting the real-life impacts on those released. 05:12 — Russo compares WWE’s talent investment and accountability structure to Major League Baseball, criticizing WWE management for lack of consequences when big investments fail. 08:59 — Examining WWE’s “buddy system” in hiring and why poor decisions persist, especially with NXT call-ups. Coach and Russo analyze why certain talents (like Shayna Baszler) never get over. 10:41 — Shift in company philosophy: House shows vs. TV, money-driven decisions under TKO management, and parallels to late-era WCW. 11:59 — Repeat firings: Braun Strowman and Dakota Kai’s return/exit cycles and lack of management accountability. 13:33 — Russo and Coach express empathy for released talent and the challenge of finding equivalent work (especially for big characters like Braun Strowman). 14:06 — Solutions: Russo calls for experienced writers/producers; Coach predicts increased demand for smart analysis like theirs as fans wise up. 15:06 — First super sticker topics:
- The Rock vs. Triple H power dynamics and the short- and long-term risks to Rock’s brand.
- WWE’s acquisition of Alberto Del Rio’s AAA contract and media misrepresentation.
- The “Tony Khan hug” phenomenon at AEW scrums and how management styles vary.
18:51 — Should released WWE talent be sent to AAA/TNA to recoup investment? Why does WWE cut, instead of reassign, wrestlers with name value? Russo and Coach dig into possible reasons and the politics of inter-company relationships.
21:19 — Business of wrestling: If WWE doesn’t offer TV time or creative opportunities, why not let talent thrive on partner platforms?
24:24 — WWE’s current “push” stars: Karrion Kross and Logan Paul. Why the company backs one over the other, the risk of outshining the creative team, and what holds talent back creatively.
28:13 — Coach on the value of open-minded booking and innovative minds in creative—why experienced performers could be the solution WWE needs.
30:50 — The Logan Paul effect: Internet influencers outshining homegrown talent, and what that says about WWE’s pipeline and priorities.
32:16 — Super sticker: Why do top Smackdown stars all take time off together? Russo points to a lack of planning and “working smarter.” Coach highlights missed production solutions.
34:08 — Attitude Era writing process: Russo details planning from PPV-to-PPV, building escalating weekly conflict, and flexibility in execution.
35:02 — WrestleMania 40 fallout: Cody Rhodes’ protection (or lack thereof) after controversial loss, and the logic (or absence) of post-PPV storytelling.
36:50 — The shift to “everything is entertainment”: Russo and Coach debate WWE’s blurring of reality and its impact on fan engagement and believability.
40:22 — Financial management at TKO, power dynamics: The rise of The Rock, the absence of Triple H on financial statements, and what that really signals behind the scenes.
41:19 — Wrestling vs. Entertainment factions within WWE: Why the “entertainment” side is winning and what it means for old-school wrestling minds like Triple H.
44:07 — Smackdown moving back to two hours—pros, cons, and what it signals about the show’s profitability.
45:26 — Potential for ex-WWE talent in AEW or TNA, and whether AEW will seize the opportunity to grow.
46:17 — Chelsea Green, Zelina Vega, and the value of turning setbacks into creative opportunities, plus a heartfelt moment about Vega’s tribute to her late father.
48:00 — The problem with hasty returns: Why vignettes matter for stars like Aleister Black and how WWE repeatedly fumbles big comebacks.
49:27 — Lessons from PFL and sports TV: Stop chasing competition, focus on strong storytelling and authentic branding.
50:43 — Russo on wrestling politics, Triple H’s precarious position, and why the industry’s in-fighting undermines creative progress.
53:35 — Advice for talent and management: Stick to your strengths, avoid “power for power’s sake,” plus true stories from Coach and Russo on saying no to the wrong opportunities.
56:21 — Business, loyalty, and creative blockades: The real reasons WWE drops the ball with stars and why self-promotion is a double-edged sword.
59:55 — Fun in wrestling and why it’s sorely missing: Both hosts reminisce about backstage days full of joy, compared to the fear-based, political environment today.
1:03:30 — Super sticker on Triple H: The disconnect between star power and creative skill, and why “wrestler’s mentality” doesn’t always breed the best bosses.
1:06:24 — The logic of revenge storylines: Why today’s booking wouldn’t fly with Austin, Rock, and Attitude Era fans.
1:08:19 — Classic Rock & Coach skits, Barry Manilow moments, and unexpected crossovers with sports stars.
1:11:56 — Surreal moments: The joy of recognition from major league athletes and celebrities—living proof of wrestling’s broad reach.
1:12:45 — Outtakes: The pressure of staying serious during Rock segments and the reality behind delivering iconic promos.
1:13:52 — The hiring reality for WWE writers: Why fresh, creative minds often don’t last, and the hidden obstacles in TV wrestling rooms.
1:14:31 — Closing: Preview of channel giveaways, schedule updates, and an appreciation to the best producer and audience in the game.
128 episodes
Manage episode 481167767 series 3617073
00:00 — Show kicks off: Coach returns from travel, touts rapid channel growth, and introduces Vince Russo. 00:38 — Coach and Vince discuss audience growth, fan engagement via super stickers, and the “Finger Point of Death” phenomenon: Triple H and the legacy of pointing at future job losses. 04:07 — Major topic: WWE’s annual layoffs. Coach explains staff and talent firings, including Dakota Kai, Braun Strowman, and Shayna Baszler, highlighting the real-life impacts on those released. 05:12 — Russo compares WWE’s talent investment and accountability structure to Major League Baseball, criticizing WWE management for lack of consequences when big investments fail. 08:59 — Examining WWE’s “buddy system” in hiring and why poor decisions persist, especially with NXT call-ups. Coach and Russo analyze why certain talents (like Shayna Baszler) never get over. 10:41 — Shift in company philosophy: House shows vs. TV, money-driven decisions under TKO management, and parallels to late-era WCW. 11:59 — Repeat firings: Braun Strowman and Dakota Kai’s return/exit cycles and lack of management accountability. 13:33 — Russo and Coach express empathy for released talent and the challenge of finding equivalent work (especially for big characters like Braun Strowman). 14:06 — Solutions: Russo calls for experienced writers/producers; Coach predicts increased demand for smart analysis like theirs as fans wise up. 15:06 — First super sticker topics:
- The Rock vs. Triple H power dynamics and the short- and long-term risks to Rock’s brand.
- WWE’s acquisition of Alberto Del Rio’s AAA contract and media misrepresentation.
- The “Tony Khan hug” phenomenon at AEW scrums and how management styles vary.
18:51 — Should released WWE talent be sent to AAA/TNA to recoup investment? Why does WWE cut, instead of reassign, wrestlers with name value? Russo and Coach dig into possible reasons and the politics of inter-company relationships.
21:19 — Business of wrestling: If WWE doesn’t offer TV time or creative opportunities, why not let talent thrive on partner platforms?
24:24 — WWE’s current “push” stars: Karrion Kross and Logan Paul. Why the company backs one over the other, the risk of outshining the creative team, and what holds talent back creatively.
28:13 — Coach on the value of open-minded booking and innovative minds in creative—why experienced performers could be the solution WWE needs.
30:50 — The Logan Paul effect: Internet influencers outshining homegrown talent, and what that says about WWE’s pipeline and priorities.
32:16 — Super sticker: Why do top Smackdown stars all take time off together? Russo points to a lack of planning and “working smarter.” Coach highlights missed production solutions.
34:08 — Attitude Era writing process: Russo details planning from PPV-to-PPV, building escalating weekly conflict, and flexibility in execution.
35:02 — WrestleMania 40 fallout: Cody Rhodes’ protection (or lack thereof) after controversial loss, and the logic (or absence) of post-PPV storytelling.
36:50 — The shift to “everything is entertainment”: Russo and Coach debate WWE’s blurring of reality and its impact on fan engagement and believability.
40:22 — Financial management at TKO, power dynamics: The rise of The Rock, the absence of Triple H on financial statements, and what that really signals behind the scenes.
41:19 — Wrestling vs. Entertainment factions within WWE: Why the “entertainment” side is winning and what it means for old-school wrestling minds like Triple H.
44:07 — Smackdown moving back to two hours—pros, cons, and what it signals about the show’s profitability.
45:26 — Potential for ex-WWE talent in AEW or TNA, and whether AEW will seize the opportunity to grow.
46:17 — Chelsea Green, Zelina Vega, and the value of turning setbacks into creative opportunities, plus a heartfelt moment about Vega’s tribute to her late father.
48:00 — The problem with hasty returns: Why vignettes matter for stars like Aleister Black and how WWE repeatedly fumbles big comebacks.
49:27 — Lessons from PFL and sports TV: Stop chasing competition, focus on strong storytelling and authentic branding.
50:43 — Russo on wrestling politics, Triple H’s precarious position, and why the industry’s in-fighting undermines creative progress.
53:35 — Advice for talent and management: Stick to your strengths, avoid “power for power’s sake,” plus true stories from Coach and Russo on saying no to the wrong opportunities.
56:21 — Business, loyalty, and creative blockades: The real reasons WWE drops the ball with stars and why self-promotion is a double-edged sword.
59:55 — Fun in wrestling and why it’s sorely missing: Both hosts reminisce about backstage days full of joy, compared to the fear-based, political environment today.
1:03:30 — Super sticker on Triple H: The disconnect between star power and creative skill, and why “wrestler’s mentality” doesn’t always breed the best bosses.
1:06:24 — The logic of revenge storylines: Why today’s booking wouldn’t fly with Austin, Rock, and Attitude Era fans.
1:08:19 — Classic Rock & Coach skits, Barry Manilow moments, and unexpected crossovers with sports stars.
1:11:56 — Surreal moments: The joy of recognition from major league athletes and celebrities—living proof of wrestling’s broad reach.
1:12:45 — Outtakes: The pressure of staying serious during Rock segments and the reality behind delivering iconic promos.
1:13:52 — The hiring reality for WWE writers: Why fresh, creative minds often don’t last, and the hidden obstacles in TV wrestling rooms.
1:14:31 — Closing: Preview of channel giveaways, schedule updates, and an appreciation to the best producer and audience in the game.
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