#32: Tell Me When I Get There (with Sean Palmer) Cabernet And Pray podcast

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Ever wondered what happens when two theologically curious podcast hosts bring their shows together over a glass of wine? Episode 47 is part divine disruption, part spiritual therapy session, and 100% a good time. Jeremy Jernigan sits down with Josh Patterson of Rethinking Faith to talk about reconstructing theology, open and relational views of God, and why some former pastors become bartenders. This episode is an unfiltered swirl of laughter, wisdom, and spicy takes on hell, omnipotence, and what we do after leaving church leadership. Click here to watch the episode on video. ----------------- Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: https://bit.ly/rebuilding-faith Do you want to read the Bible without falling behind? Sign up your email and I'll send you a PDF to download and use my custom-made reading plan system. There's no way to fall behind on this system and every day will be different no matter how long you use it! https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in…

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Theology with Imagination (with Brian Zahnd) | Ep. 46 1:12:55

17 days ago1:12:55

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What happens when one of the most provocative theological voices of our time sits down with a glass of wine and reimagines everything? In this episode, Jeremy talks with Brian Zahnd about peacemaking, the prophetic role of the church, why evangelicalism may not recover, and what happens when we start to believe Jesus actually meant what he said. It’s bold, it’s challenging, and it’s full of grace. Plus, there are a few surprises, like pipe collecting and Scotch favorites. Whether you're curious, skeptical, or just thirsty for better conversations about faith, this one’s for you. Click here to watch the episode on video. ----------------- Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: https://bit.ly/rebuilding-faith Do you want to read the Bible without falling behind? Sign up your email and I'll send you a PDF to download and use my custom-made reading plan system. There's no way to fall behind on this system and every day will be different no matter how long you use it! https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in…

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Curiosity and Poor Eyesight | Ep. 45 30:43

4 weeks ago30:43

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What if the only thing separating you from deeper faith… is your doubt? In this episode, we uncork the connection between spiritual curiosity and our inability to see clearly — and why that’s not a flaw, but a feature of real theology. Jesus doesn’t demand certainty. He invites wonder. Click here to watch the episode on video. -------------- Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: https://bit.ly/rebuilding-faith Do you want to read the Bible without falling behind? Sign up your email and I'll send you a PDF to download and use my custom-made reading plan system. There's no way to fall behind on this system and every day will be different no matter how long you use it! https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in…

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Queer and Christian (with Brandan Robertson) | Ep. 44 57:29

6 weeks ago57:29

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This week, we’re uncorking a bold conversation that challenges assumptions, celebrates authenticity, and dives into the complexity of faith and identity. What does it mean to be queer and Christian? You’ll hear personal journeys, tough questions, unexpected grace, and the beauty of holding space for queerness in spirituality. Whether you're in the pews or at Pride, this one’s for you. Click here to watch the episode on video. ----------------- Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: https://bit.ly/rebuilding-faith Do you want to read the Bible without falling behind? Sign up your email and I'll send you a PDF to download and use my custom-made reading plan system. There's no way to fall behind on this system and every day will be different no matter how long you use it! https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in ----------------- Wines in this episode: 2020 Paso Ranches Zinfandel Sonoma-Cutrer Chardonnay Sonoma Coast Links: Official site: www.brandanrobertson.com Pre-order Queer and Christian : www.queerchristian.org Podcast: The Queer & Christian Podcast – streaming on all major platforms…

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#43: What's the Deal with Hell? 45:30

9 weeks ago45:30

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Are there different ways to understand hell in Christianity? In this thought-provoking episode, Jeremy tackles one of the most challenging theological concepts that many struggle with. If you've ever questioned traditional teachings about eternal punishment or wondered if there are other interpretations supported by scripture, this episode offers a refreshing perspective that might completely transform your understanding of Christianity. Click here to watch the episode on video. Key Points: Three Historical Christian Views of Hell : Infernalism/Eternal Conscious Torment : The traditional view where non-believers suffer eternally in hell. Annihilationism : Those who reject God cease to exist after death (also called "soul sleep"). Christian Universalism : Jesus will ultimately save everyone, though some may go through a refining process after death. Principles for Considering Hell : Good theology should look like Jesus Our view should reflect all New Testament writers Christians should have humility about who is "in" or "out" Your view of hell is not an essential part of Christianity Fear of hell is a cheap motivator to follow Jesus Biblical Foundation : The episode references 1 John 4:16 (perfect love casts out fear) and Romans 2:4 (God's kindness leads to repentance) to establish that God motivates through love, not fear. Wine Featured: 2019 Sequoia Grove Cabernet Sauvignon (Napa Valley) with distinctive herbaceous notes (bell pepper, jalapeño) followed by secondary cherry and red fruit flavors. Recommended Reading: "Her Gates Will Never Be Shut" by Brad Jersak "That All Shall Be Saved" by David Bentley Hart -------------- Do you want to read the Bible without falling behind? Sign up your email and I'll send you a PDF to download and use my custom-made reading plan system. There's no way to fall behind on this system and every day will be different no matter how long you use it! https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in Cabernet and Pray is an authentic, thoughtfully curated, human-hosted podcast that is free, but not cheap. Please consider supporting the content Jeremy creates by joining the Rebuilding Faith patron community and get access to exclusive content and experiences. Find out more here: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/patron-sign-ups…

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#42: The Spirituality of Wine (with Gisela Kreglinger) 1:07:01

11 weeks ago1:07:01

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What if drinking wine was more than just a pleasure—it was a spiritual practice? In this episode, we sit down with theologian and wine expert Gisela Kreglinger to explore the deep connections between wine, faith, and community. Growing up in a German winery, Gisela brings a unique perspective on how wine shapes our conversations, our celebrations, and even our theology. From the role of wine in biblical times to the way it fosters deeper human connection today, this episode will challenge the way you think about your next glass. Click here to watch the episode on video. Key Points: Meet Gisela Kreglinger: Theologian, author, and wine expert who grew up on a German winery. Wine as a Spiritual Practice: Wine isn't just for drinking—it can shape conversations, enhance meals, and even act as a form of prayer. Biblical Roots of Wine: Exploring wine’s significance in Scripture, including the Passover tradition of four cups of wine, Noah’s vineyard, and Jesus’ first miracle at the Wedding of Cana. Cultural Differences in Wine Consumption: How European wine traditions differ from America’s relationship with alcohol and why that matters. Holy Tipsiness: The fine line between drinking as an act of joy and overindulgence. Reclaiming Wine in Christian Practice: How churches have distanced themselves from wine and why Gisela believes it’s time to restore its sacred role. Wines in This Episode: 🍷 2020 Coastline Reserve Cabernet Sauvignon (Paso Robles, California) – A fruit-forward yet balanced cab with notes of blackberry, pipe tobacco, and wet gravel. 🍷 Moulin-à-Vent from the Dichon family (Beaujolais, France) – A full-bodied Gamay with rich complexity, imported by Kermit Lynch. Final Thoughts: This episode isn’t just for wine lovers—it’s for anyone interested in the intersection of faith, culture, and connection. Whether you’re a casual drinker or a wine aficionado, Gisela’s insights will make you rethink the way you experience wine. Listen now and join the conversation! 🍇🍷 Links: The Spirituality of Wine The Soul of Wine Cup Overflowing Wine in the Word Gisela's website Gisela on Instagram -------------- Do you want to read the Bible without falling behind? Sign up your email and I'll send you a PDF to download and use my custom-made reading plan system. There's no way to fall behind on this system and every day will be different no matter how long you use it! https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in Cabernet and Pray is an authentic, thoughtfully curated, human-hosted podcast that is free, but not cheap. Please consider supporting the content Jeremy creates by joining the Rebuilding Faith patron community and get access to exclusive content and experiences. Find out more here: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/patron-sign-ups…

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#41: Why Christianity is Unfair 32:03

13 weeks ago32:03

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Is karma real? Or does Jesus operate in a way that turns our sense of fairness upside down? In this episode, we dive into one of Jesus’ most radical parables from Matthew 20, exploring why fairness might not be the point—and why that’s actually good news. Grab a glass of wine and join us for a thought-provoking discussion on grace, justice, and what it really means to follow Jesus. Click here to watch the episode on video. Featured Wine: 🍷 Destino Red Blend (2019) – Fifth Empire, Portugal A rich and dark blend featuring Touriga Nacional, known for its bold character. Notes of plum and blueberry, balanced with smooth complexity from four different grapes. Key Discussion Points: The Myth of Karma vs. Jesus’ Radical Grace: While karma teaches that you get what you deserve, Jesus flips this idea upside down, offering generosity instead of fairness. The Parable of the Vineyard (Matthew 20): A landowner pays all workers the same wage—whether they worked 12 hours or just one. What does this reveal about God’s character? Fairness vs. Generosity: How do we react when others receive grace that we feel they don’t deserve? Jealousy & God's Kindness: Are we bothered when God blesses those we deem "unworthy"? Personal Reflection: Is Jesus enough for us, or do we need others to "lose" for us to feel like we've won? Takeaway: Instead of keeping score, what if we embraced a world where grace, not fairness, defines our faith? Jesus invites us to welcome others into the vineyard—are we celebrating or gatekeeping? ----------------- Do you want to read the Bible without falling behind? Sign up your email and I'll send you a PDF to download and use my custom-made reading plan system. There's no way to fall behind on this system and every day will be different no matter how long you use it! https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in Cabernet and Pray is an authentic, thoughtfully curated, human-hosted podcast that is free, but not cheap. Please consider supporting the content Jeremy creates by joining the Rebuilding Faith patron community. Find out more here: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/rebuilding-faith…

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#40: The New Evangelicals (with Tim Whitaker) 1:02:36

15 weeks ago1:02:36

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Join Jeremy and Tim Whitaker, founder of The New Evangelicals, for an unfiltered and entertaining conversation tackling tough topics in faith, church culture, and beyond—all while sipping on wine. Whether you're wrestling with your faith, navigating church hurt, or just curious about new perspectives, this episode delivers humor, depth, and a lot of honesty. Don’t miss Tim’s unforgettable attempt at opening his first bottle of wine and his bold insights on Christianity today. Click here to watch the episode on video. Key Points Covered in Episode 40: Introduction of Tim Whitaker and The New Evangelicals: The organization supports those grappling with faith and church hurt. Focus on creating a safe space for exploring progressive Christianity. Tagline: “Faith isn’t easy, hurt makes it harder.” Wine Talk: Jeremy enjoys a Story of Soil Syrah 2022 with notes of red plum, blueberry, and vanilla bean. Tim hilariously opens his first bottle of wine, Joel Gott 815 Cabernet Sauvignon 2021 , adding an unplanned comedy segment. Tim’s Faith Journey: From a conservative evangelical upbringing to a more inclusive, justice-focused Christianity. Critiques of political entanglements in modern evangelicalism. Emphasis on expanding one’s faith perspective beyond denominational boundaries. Advocating for the Marginalized: Discussions on supporting LGBTQ+ individuals, immigrants, and other underrepresented groups within and outside the church. The pitfalls of using theology to oppress rather than liberate. Engaging with the Bible: Tim’s shift from viewing the Bible as a rulebook to embracing it as a complex, nuanced collection of writings. Encouragement to focus on Jesus’ teachings of love, justice, and inclusion. Parenting and Faith: Should kids be raised in the same traditional church settings their parents left? Tim argues for raising children with openness and curiosity rather than indoctrination. Criticism and Accountability in the Church: Challenges of holding leaders and institutions accountable while staying hopeful. The role of Christians in advocating for justice and resisting harmful ideologies like Christian nationalism. Tim’s Take on Digital Content Creation: Balancing fast-paced news reactions with thoughtful analysis. Addressing negativity from critics while staying grounded. Lightning Round Questions: Tim’s past belief he was wrong about: thinking LGBTQ+ people were inherently sinful. Main issue facing American Christianity: the rise of Christian nationalism. This episode is perfect for anyone exploring new ways to engage with their faith or questioning traditional church teachings. Tim’s candidness, combined with his humor and passion, makes this an unforgettable conversation. Grab a glass of wine and join the ride! Links: https://www.thenewevangelicals.com/ https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-new-evangelicals-podcast/id1557794865 https://www.instagram.com/thenewevangelicals/ https://open.spotify.com/show/1czIuPbjXFt50L2fxHmdUe https://www.tiktok.com/@thenewevangelicals https://www.instagram.com/timwhitakerspeaks/ ----------------- Do you want to read the Bible without falling behind? Sign up your email and I'll send you a PDF to download and use my custom-made reading plan system. There's no way to fall behind on this system and every day will be different no matter how long you use it! https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in Cabernet and Pray is an authentic, thoughtfully curated, human-hosted podcast that is free, but not cheap. Please consider supporting the content Jeremy creates by joining the Rebuilding Faith patron community. Find out more here: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/rebuilding-faith…

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#39: The Worst Chapter in the Bible 30:29

17 weeks ago30:29

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What happens when the God of the Old Testament seems unrecognizable next to the Jesus of the New Testament? In this thought-provoking episode of Cabernet and Pray , we tackle what Jeremy calls “the worst chapter in the Bible,” Numbers 31. Together, we confront the shocking themes of revenge, violence, and divine commands that seem incompatible with the love of Jesus. With a glass of Sokol Blosser 2021 Pinot Noir in hand, we explore how ancient contexts and human perceptions of God shape scripture—and what this means for our faith today. Don’t miss this deep dive into the Bible’s most challenging narratives. Click here to watch the episode on video. Wines Featured : Sokol Blosser 2021 Watershed Block Pinot Noir Notes of potting soil, dried leaves, cranberry, raspberry, and clove. A perfect pairing for deep conversations about theology. Key Discussion Points : Introduction to Numbers 31 : Jeremy reflects on the challenges faced as a pastor in interpreting the Old Testament. Focus on Numbers 31: a chapter filled with revenge, violence, and troubling divine commands. A Brutal Look at Numbers 31 : God commands Moses to wage a war of revenge against the Midianites. Controversial instructions to kill men, women, and boys, sparing only virgin girls, presented as plunder. The unsettling notion of 32 virgins being allocated as God’s share of the spoils. Reconciling Numbers 31 with the Nature of Jesus : The difficulty of aligning Numbers 31 with the nonviolent, sacrificial love exemplified by Jesus. Examples of misinterpretation: Justifying actions like the Crusades by blending Old Testament violence with Christian theology. Historical and Cultural Context : Insights from early church father Origen: When a passage seems unworthy of God, seek deeper spiritual meaning. Greg Boyd’s Cross Vision : God’s willingness to meet people in their context, even when their understanding is limited. Andy Stanley’s Irresistible : The importance of unhitching modern faith from Old Testament practices and covenantal frameworks. A Framework for Interpretation : Jesus as the clearest image of God: “What God looks like when there are no clouds in the way.” Viewing problematic Old Testament passages as reflections of human culture and sin, not divine character. Takeaways for Faith : Christians don’t need to fear difficult scriptures but must read them through the lens of Jesus. Numbers 31 reveals more about ancient Israelites’ worldview than about God’s true nature. The Bible’s ultimate purpose is to point us to Jesus, the unclouded vision of God. Jeremy leaves listeners with the challenge to dig deeper into scripture, trusting that a clearer picture of God emerges through Jesus. Christians can engage with difficult passages and grow a faith rooted in love, humility, and understanding. ----------- Do you want to read the Bible without falling behind? Sign up your email and I'll send you a PDF to download and use my custom-made reading plan system. There's no way to fall behind on this system and every day will be different no matter how long you use it! https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in Cabernet and Pray is an authentic, thoughtfully curated, human-hosted podcast that is free, but not cheap. Please consider supporting the content Jeremy creates by joining the Rebuilding Faith patron community. Find out more here: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/rebuilding-faith…

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#38: Loving Jesus Too Much 33:10

19 weeks ago33:10

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Can you love Jesus so much that it leaves others feeling unloved? In this episode of Cabernet and Pray , we unpack a poignant quote from A.W. Tozer’s widow that has sparked a surprising amount of debate among Christians. Join us as we dive into what it truly means to balance a love for God with a love for others, all while sipping on a gorgeous 2021 Archers Crest Pinot Noir. This episode will surely challenge your perspective on faith, relationships, and how we express our devotion. Click here to watch the episode on video. Key Points Event Reminder : The Wine and Whiskey Weekend is February 21–23 in Oregon, featuring tastings and deep conversations about life and faith. Find out more here: https://communionwineco.com/events/wine-and-whiskey/ The A.W. Tozer Debate : Tozer’s widow, Ada, famously stated: “Aiden [Tozer] loved Jesus Christ, but Leonard Odom loves me.” This comment sparks questions about whether a strong love for Jesus can coexist with loving others deeply. Tozer’s writings emphasized the centrality of God, yet his personal relationships provide a complex lens for understanding how faith and love intersect. Key Biblical Insights : Matthew 22:36-39: Jesus teaches that loving God and loving others are equally important. Matthew 25: Acts of love toward others are acts of love toward Jesus. Luke 14:26: Jesus uses hyperbole to stress prioritizing God but not at the expense of failing to love others. Listener Reactions : Varied and passionate responses to the original video included victim-shaming Ada, misinterpretations of biblical texts, and defenses of Tozer’s priorities. Highlights the broader issue of separating love for Jesus from love for people, a dichotomy that the episode argues is unbiblical. Wine Feature : 2021 Archers Crest Pinot Noir from Archery Summit in Oregon. Notes of cranberry, raspberry, clove, and mushroom make this refreshing red a perfect pairing for deep conversation. The Challenge : Loving Jesus means seeing Him in those around us, including our spouses, neighbors, and even adversaries. Can you truly love God without loving people? This episode pushes listeners to evaluate their own faith practices. Call to Action : Pour yourself a glass of wine and reflect on how your love for God translates into love for others. Join us for this candid discussion that blends theology, wine appreciation, and a fresh take on what it means to live out your faith. Cheers to loving well!…

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#37: Church in the Brewery (with Mark McKinney) 1:10:39

21 weeks ago1:10:39

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Click here to watch the episode on video. In this episode, we explore the creative expressions of the church with Mark McKinney, an innovator who is challenging traditional church structures. We dive into the unpredictability of faith journeys, the critical need for true discipleship in modern Christianity, and the fascinating intersection of faith and technology. Mark shares his experiences leading Reunion, a trauma-informed church in a brewery, and reflects on the importance of serving communities authentically. We explore themes of flexibility, adaptation, and humility in ministry, highlighting how unconventional spaces and approaches can foster genuine connections and support for those often overlooked by traditional church settings. Tune in for an inspiring discussion about reimagining church, community engagement, and nurturing a culture of inclusivity and healing. Whether you're a church leader, believer, or someone curious about innovative faith practices, this episode will surely offer thought-provoking insights and encouragement. Wines in this episode: 2022 Black Cloud 2022 Juggernaut Links: Reunion's church website Mark on Instagram…

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#36: Star-Spangled Jesus (with April Ajoy) 1:05:34

23 weeks ago1:05:34

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Click here to watch the episode on video. Today we're diving deep into the complexities of faith, politics, and personal transformation with our guest, April Ajoy. April, an author and content creator known for her book "Star Spangled Jesus: Leaving Christian Nationalism and Finding a True Faith," joins us to unpack the deconstruction movement among white evangelicals questioning their support for Trump, especially post-2020 pandemic. In this episode, April shares her journey from promoting Christian nationalism to fostering a more inclusive spirituality. We'll discuss the potential impact of another Trump presidency on evangelical communities, the rising need for supportive spaces for those exiting these conservative circles, and how April uses her past experiences to challenge harmful beliefs without alienation. We'll also touch on the contradictions within Christian nationalism, the challenges of patriarchy and misogyny in theology, and the transformative power of engaging with differing beliefs. April shares personal anecdotes, including her enlightening experiences with her children's faith education and the humorous beginnings of her wine-tasting adventures. Wines in this episode: 2016 Clos Floridene Peach white wine Links: April's book April's Instagram April's TikTok April's Threads…

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#35: The Wicked Servant 28:28

25 weeks ago28:28

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Click here to watch the episode on video. Interested in staying in one of our short-term rentals in wine country? Click here to see our two homes. In today's episode, Jeremy shares some exciting personal updates, including the opening of a second rental property in Oregon wine country, the charmingly named "Vino Victorian." But the core of today's episode dives into a profound and possibly controversial re-examination of a familiar Biblical story from Luke 19: the tale of the wicked servant. Jeremy challenges traditional parable interpretations, suggesting we're not seeing the whole picture. What if the character we've always viewed as "wicked" represents a more Christ-like stance? Join Jeremy as he unpacks this compelling perspective, drawing intriguing connections to Jesus's teachings and inviting listeners to see this parable in a new light. Whether navigating today's tumultuous world or seeking deeper spiritual insights, this episode promises to offer fresh, thought-provoking content. So grab a glass of something rich and flavorful, sit back, and let's dive into another episode of "Cabernet and Pray." Wine in this episode: 2019 Quinta Das Carvalhas from Duoro, Portugal…

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#34: American Idolatry (with Andrew Whitehead) 1:03:05

27 weeks ago1:03:05

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Click here to watch the episode on video. We're thrilled to have Andrew Whitehead, an esteemed professor of sociology and author of "American Idolatry: How Christian Nationalism Betrays the Gospel and Threatens the Church." In this episode, we dive into the complex world of Christian nationalism in America through Andrew's insightful lens. We explore the idea that changing minds often requires more than cold, hard facts; it demands empathy, asking the right questions, and building genuine relationships. Andrew shares personal reflections on America's history, scrutinizing the narrative of it being a "Christian nation" in light of its checkered past. We'll touch upon the provocative "inverted golden rule," navigating echo chambers, and the tension between disengagement and necessary political advocacy. You'll also hear thought-provoking discussions on how power should be wielded for justice, the importance of listening to marginalized voices, and balancing faithfulness with the often flawed pursuit of efficiency. We also have some lighter moments, from Andrew's memorable wine experience in Florence, Italy, to enlightening takes on quantum physics and arm wrestling. Wines in this episode: 2021 Ghost Pines Cabernet 2021 Federalist Cabernet Links: American Idolatry Andrew's Substack Andrew's Instagram Andrew's X…

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#33: Space Racism 35:20

29 weeks ago35:20