How advocacy is changing reading instruction with Jamie Metsala (Ep 43)

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Jamie explains why universal screening matters, how structured literacy benefits all readers, and what effective intervention looks like. They also discuss the importance of teacher preparation programs and ongoing professional development to equip educators with the tools they need to teach reading successfully.

With many provinces and states still relying on ineffective reading instruction, systemic change is critical. Jamie offers valuable advice for advocates, making this conversation essential listening for educators, parents, and anyone advocating for evidence-based education reform.

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NOTE: The resource page contains links to reports, articles, and websites mentioned in the episode: annastokke.com/ep-43-resources

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[00:00:00] Introduction
[00:04:06] The Ontario Human Rights Commission Right to Read inquiry
[00:06:40] Reading achievement in Ontario and other provinces
[00:13:19] The impact of balanced literacy and its flawed assumptions
[00:19:21] What science says about teaching foundational reading skills
[00:29:15] Universal screening and early interventions
[00:32:30] Problems with Reading Recovery
[00:36:32] How Canadian provinces are responding to the Right to Read inquiry
[00:41:10] Teacher preparation and the resistance to change
[00:50:25] Challenges in implementing evidence-based literacy instruction
[00:52:06] Debunking myths: Do all students learn differently?
[00:54:20] Structured literacy and the importance of fluency
[01:00:43] Consequences of poor reading instruction
[01:06:50] Advice for advocates
[01:12:47] Final thoughts: The future of reading and math education

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How advocacy is changing reading instruction with Jamie Metsala (Ep 43)

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NOTE: The resource page contains links to reports, articles, and websites mentioned in the episode: annastokke.com/ep-43-resources

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RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES

Ep 20 Reading and math: Parallels and pitfalls with Matthew Burns
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-8aj3f-1508af6

Ep 27 Using evidence in education with Pamela Snow
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-jc9mq-161ecac

Ep 29 Math fact crisis: strategies for improving numeracy with Brian Poncy
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-u9y84-165d773

EPISODE TRANSCRIPT

https://www.annastokke.com/ep-43-transcript

EPISODE RESOURCES

https://www.annastokke.com/ep-43-resources

MUSIC

Intro and Outro: Coma Media – Catch it
Blue Dot Sessions – Proliferate, Balti, Momentary Ease
Podington Bear – Camp, Kitten, Squirrel Commotion

Website: www.annastokke.com

X: @rastokke

LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/anna-stokke-3a1b4c

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Join Anna Stokke as she chats with Dr. Jo Castelino, a secondary school teacher, to discuss her new book on homework. They discuss the vital role of homework in education, exploring why it's important, how much should be assigned and what types of homework are most effective. Jo shares insights from research and her experiences, addressing common criticisms of homework, strategies for creating a school culture that supports homework, methods for leveraging feedback, and handling issues like cheating. They also discuss the cyclical relationship between homework and self-regulatory behaviours that contribute to higher academic achievement. Jo gives valuable practical advice on how to design effective homework and how to get both students and parents on board. This episode will be of interest to educators, parents and school administrators. NOTE: The resource page contains resources and research articles mentioned in the episode: annastokke.com/ep-37-resources 00:00 Introduction 02:18 Background 03:30 Writing about homework 06:30 Research on homework 12:57 How much homework: Cooper 10-minute rule 15:26 Role of homework in how students learn 22:37 Designing Effective Homework 25:52 Discussing flipped classrooms 28:55 How often to give homework 36:10 Scaffolding homework for struggling students 36:56 Providing feedback 40:06 Homework challenge levels 43:23 Homework and disadvantaged students 47:17 Creating a school culture for homework 48:06 Rewards and consequences 54:39 Getting parents on board 57:55 Addressing cheating 01:03:25 Convincing administrators about homework 01:05:05 Conclusion RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES Ep. 31 Exploring evidence for equitable education with Nidhi Sachdeva and Jim Hewitt https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-fjdnt-1685615 Ep. 14 Stress and learning with Dan Rosen https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-94vv4-147a254 Ep. 13 Powerful teaching with Patrice Bain https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-d77g4-14602e3 EPISODE TRANSCRIPT https://www.annastokke.com/ep-37-transcript EPISODE RESOURCES https://www.annastokke.com/ep-37-resources MUSIC Intro and Outro: Coma Media – Catch it Blue Dot Sessions – Little Poder, Momentary Ease, Betty Dear Podington Bear – Camp Website: www.annastokke.com X: @rastokke LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/anna-stokke-3a1b4c Bluesky: @rastokke.bsky.social…

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How to Build Automaticity with Math Facts: A Practical Guide (Ep 36) 27:15

25 weeks ago27:15

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This solo episode, hosted by Anna Stokke, provides educators, parents, and students with practical, research-backed methods to develop math fact automaticity. These techniques have been shown to work with a wide range of students across age, skills and settings. Key techniques discussed include flashcards, cover-copy-compare, taped problems, incremental rehearsal and explicit timing, with detailed instructions for how best to implement each technique. Call to action: If you know someone who might benefit from this episode, please share it with them! NOTE: The resource page contains resources to help listeners implement the techniques discussed as well as supporting research: http://annastokke.com/ep-36-resources TIMESTAMPS 00:00 Introduction 01:19 The Importance of math fact automaticity 03:00 Understanding automaticity 06:17 Acquisition stage 06:50 Fluency stage 08:35 What basic facts? 09:06 When should students have math facts mastered? 09:49 Pairing the stimulus with the response 11:13 Using flashcards effectively 13:25 Incremental Rehearsal 15:13 Cover, Copy, Compare Method 17:49 Taped Problems: Beat the Computer 18:57 Should you use games? 20:52 Explicit timing for fluency building 21:14 Why timed practice is essential 22:31 When to introduce timed practice 24:28 Consistency and Daily Practice 25:01 Conclusion and Call to Action RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES Ep 30. Math fluency matters with Brian Poncy https://www.podbean.com/eas/pb-pj6z6-166741e Ep 29. Math fact crisis with Brian Poncy https://www.podbean.com/eas/pb-u9y84-165d773 Ep 20. Reading and math: parallels and pitfalls with Matthew Burns https://www.podbean.com/eas/pb-8aj3f-1508af6 Ep 17. Do timed tests cause math anxiety? with Robin Codding https://www.podbean.com/eas/pb-9qahp-14aed8a Ep 3. The Science of Math with Amanda VanDerHeyden https://www.podbean.com/eas/pb-bksbz-13c732d EPISODE TRANSCRIPT https://www.annastokke.com/ep-36-transcript EPISODE RESOURCES https://www.annastokke.com/ep-36-resources MUSIC Intro and Outro: Coma Media – Catch it Blue Dot Sessions – Momentary Ease, Betty Dear Podington Bear – Camp Scott Holmes – Happy Logo 3 Website: www.annastokke.com X: @rastokke LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/anna-stokke-3a1b4c…

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Preparation for university math with Darja Barr and Dan Wolczuk (Ep 35) 1:04:04

27 weeks ago1:04:04

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Join Anna Stokke in conversation with two university math instructors, Dr. Darja Barr from the University of Manitoba and Dan Wolczuk from the University of Waterloo. What does it take to succeed in university math? Which topics are most critical for success in university calculus? They cover these questions and more in this episode, which is a must-listen for educators, parents and aspiring university students. They talk about the importance of algebraic fluency and other key concepts essential for success in calculus. They examine the gap between high school preparation and university expectations, touching on grade inflation, the role of diagnostic tests and the value of high school exams with a discussion on the testing effect along the way. They highlight the importance of effective study habits, perseverance, and the ability to self-assess and seek help when needed. NOTE: The resource page contains useful information regarding the transition from high school to university math: http://annastokke.com/ep-35-resources TIMESTAMPS [00:00:00] Introduction [00:03:14] Description of university calculus class [00:04:55] Why preparation for calculus is important [00:07:47] Degrees requiring calculus [00:08:36] High school topics needed for success in calculus [00:11:11] Importance of algebraic fluency [00:14:29] Trigonometry and committing facts to memory [00:22:30] Diagnostic tests [00:26:14] Relationship between pre-calculus and university calculus grades [00:32:36] Physical invigilation vs remote diagnostic tests [00:34:32] Challenges of high school to university transition [00:38:07] Grade inflation and the role of standardized testing [00:43:28] Importance of high school exams [00:45:29] The testing effect [00:50:33] Initiatives to support university students [00:57:06] Characteristics of a successful university math student [00:59:43] Advice for first-year university students [01:02:31] Closing remarks RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES Ep 15. Modern relevance in the math curriculum with Brian Conrad https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-gek66-148967a Ep 11. California’s math controversy with Jelani Nelson https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-d3bai-144ec76 Ep 7. How to excel in math and other tough subjects with Barbara Oakley https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-bqs8p-14068f2 Ep 16. Applying cognitive science to education with Daniel Willingham https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-szugf-149dff1 Ep 2. Evidence-based teaching strategies with Paul Kirschner https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-zgw6i-13b33df EPISODE TRANSCRIPT https://www.annastokke.com/ep-35-transcript EPISODE RESOURCES https://www.annastokke.com/ep-35-resources MUSIC Intro and Outro: Coma Media – Catch it Blue Dot Sessions – Little Poder, Thannoid Podington Bear – Camp, Kitten Website: www.annastokke.com X: @rastokke LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/anna-stokke-3a1b4c…

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Transforming education through behaviour science with Kimberly Berens (Ep 34) 1:11:16

30 weeks ago1:11:16

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Join Anna Stokke in conversation with Dr. Kimberly Berens in Episode 34 of Chalk & Talk. Kimberly is a behaviour scientist, an author, and the founder of FIT Learning. They discuss the fundamentals of behaviour science, the importance of measurable outcomes, the role of reinforcement, and the application of behaviour science to effective instruction, particularly in math. They also cover concepts like fluency, retention, and endurance in learning. They discuss the effectiveness of Direct Instruction, precision teaching and curriculum-based measurement in bringing about significant improvements in student performance. Kimberly is a passionate advocate for systematic educational change based on scientific approaches. This episode will be of interest to educators, parents, policy makers, and anyone with an interest in improving educational outcomes. NOTE: The resource page contains a list of research articles mentioned in the episode: annastokke.com/ep-34-resources TIMESTAMPS: [00:00:00] Introduction [00:02:25] Understanding behaviour science [00:05:23] Behaviour science vs. cognitive science [00:08:28] Defining fluency [00:12:40] Applying behaviour science to math instruction [00:18:01] Do different students learn differently? [00:22:43] How to measure learning [00:28:47] Math anxiety, math trauma and the problem with labels [00:34:56] Combining DI, precision teaching and curriculum-based measurement [00:38:40] The problem with hand raising [00:42:00] Flexible ability grouping [00:47:20] Breaking ineffective traditions [00:51:49] Measuring conceptual understanding [00:57:41] Project Follow Through [01:00:20] The Great Falls Precision Teaching Project [01:03:28] Fit Learning's practices and outcomes [01:06:37] Final thoughts and call to action RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES Ep 32. Identifying and educating advanced students with Jonathan Plucker https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-y6cxs-16ad6f1 Ep 30. Math fluency matters with Brian Poncy https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-pj6z6-166741e Ep 17. Do timed tests cause math anxiety? with Robin Codding https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-9qahp-14aed8a EPISODE TRANSCRIPT https://www.annastokke.com/ep-34-transcript EPISODE RESOURCES https://www.annastokke.com/ep-34-resources MUSIC Intro and Outro: Coma Media – Catch it Blue Dot Sessions – Little Poder, Tall Harvey Podington Bear – Camp, Kitten Website: www.annastokke.com X: @rastokke LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/anna-stokke-3a1b4c…

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Educational leadership: Improving math and literacy with Scott Hill (Ep 33) 1:10:02

33 weeks ago1:10:02

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Host Anna Stokke speaks with Scott Hill, Superintendent of Evergreen School Division. They discuss Evergreen's proactive approach to improving education, particularly focusing on mathematics and literacy. Scott shares how his division tackled low math scores by interviewing students, addressing behaviour issues, employing structured instructional methods, and providing consistent common assessments. They also touch on broader pedagogical narratives, the role of schools in society, and the importance of setting higher expectations for students. Additionally, Scott highlights the critical strides made in early literacy instruction, with Evergreen School Division being recognized with a national award from Dyslexia Canada. A key takeaway from this episode is that strong leadership, data-informed decision making, and a commitment to addressing weaknesses can significantly impact student learning. TIMESTAMPS [00:00:00] Introduction [00:03:39] Evergreen School Division's math challenges and student feedback [00:08:43] Grade inflation and reporting to parents [00:11:24] Divisional changes to improve math scores [00:14:42] Higher expectations for students [00:20:05] The role of schools in society [00:26:02] Is inquiry-based pedagogy accomplishing the stated goals? [00:30:45] Instructional caricatures and foundational skills [00:37:09] Setting behavioural standards [00:40:02] Cell phones in schools [00:46:01] Common assessments and provincial exams [00:56:30] Award-winning literacy initiatives [01:01:08] Final thoughts RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES Ep 1 Math and the myth of ability with John Mighton https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-22c7a-139dc72 Ep 18 Education myth-busting with Daisy Christodoulou https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-z2q9q-14ce080 Ep 20 Reading and math: parallels and pitfalls with Matthew Burns https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-8aj3f-1508af6 Ep 27 Using evidence in education with Pamela Snow https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-jc9mq-161ecac Ep 30 Math fluency matters with Brian Poncy https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-pj6z6-166741e EPISODE TRANSCRIPT https://www.annastokke.com/ep-33-transcript EPISODE RESOURCES https://www.annastokke.com/ep-33-resources MUSIC Intro and Outro: Coma Media – Catch it Blue Dot Sessions – Cornicob Podington Bear – Camp Website: www.annastokke.com X: @rastokke LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/anna-stokke-3a1b4c…

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Identifying and educating advanced students with Jonathan Plucker (Ep 32) 1:03:56

36 weeks ago1:03:56