The CEO of htmx likes codin' dirty (Changelog Interviews #646)

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Jerod is joined by Carson Gross, the creator of htmx –a small, zero-dependency JavaScript library that he says, “completes HTML as a hypertext”. Carson built it because he’s big on hypermedia, he even wrote a book called Hypermedia Systems. Carson has a lot of strong opinions weakly held that we dive into in this conversation.

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Show Notes:

• htmx - high power tools for html
• Why Gumroad Didn’t Choose htmx
• Codin’ Dirty
• Vendoring
• Hypermedia Systems

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Chapters

1. This week on The Changelog (00:00:00)

2. Sponsor: Retool (00:01:17)

https://retool.com/agents

3. Start the show! (00:03:16)

4. Getting htmx attention (00:04:15)

5. Viewpoint origins (00:09:08)

6. Hypermedia distilled (00:12:39)

7. Why html lacks (00:14:57)

8. What htmx adds (00:18:49)

9. Echoes of jQuery (00:23:27)

10. Sponsor: Depot (00:29:29)

https://depot.dev

11. Gumroad didn't choose htmx (00:31:38)

12. Making money (00:38:40)

13. Codin' dirty (00:43:31)

https://htmx.org/essays/codin-dirty/

14. Big functions (00:48:37)

15. If/else over polymorphism (01:02:38)

16. Pattern matching (01:04:48)

17. Sponsor: Outshift by Cisco (01:07:53)

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18. Vendoring (01:08:58)

https://htmx.org/essays/vendoring/

19. Big opportunity (01:12:13)

20. htmx 2.0 (01:18:04)

21. Connecting with Carson (01:20:31)

22. Closing thoughts (01:21:37)