The era of durable execution (Changelog Interviews #636)

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Stephan Ewen, Founder and CEO of Restate.dev joins the show to talk about the coming era of resilient apps, the meaning of and what it takes to achieve idempotency, this world of stateful durable execution functions, and when it makes sense to reach for this tech.

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Featuring:

• Stephan Ewen – GitHub, LinkedIn, X
• Adam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X
• Jerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X

Show Notes:

• restate.dev
• temporal.io
• resonatehq/resonate

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Chapters

1. This week on The Changelog (00:00:00)

2. Sponsor: Retool (00:00:56)

https://retool.com/changelog

3. Start the show! (00:03:46)

4. Demystify Idempotency (00:06:56)

5. Achieving Idempotency (00:09:09)

6. Where does the word Idempotency come from? (00:11:38)

7. Why solve this problem? Why you? (00:13:53)

8. Leaving Flink (00:22:51)

9. Sponsor: Heroku (00:29:15)

https://www.heroku.com/changelogpodcast

10. What is durability? (00:31:56)

11. When should I reach for this? (00:39:22)

12. The era of Resilent Apps as a service (RAaaS)? (00:46:03)

13. Marketing challenge of resilience (00:49:32)

14. Tangent: Why are AI agent demos booking flights? (00:53:50)

15. Sponsor: Augment Code (00:55:27)

https://www.augmentcode.com

16. Adam predicts that "this is the year" of durable and resilience (00:58:57)

17. Infra required for Restate (01:10:46)

18. It's Schrödinger's cat (01:15:16)

19. Publishing Changelog with Restate? (01:19:22)

20. This new world of durable execution functions (01:30:41)

21. Changelog.com/community (01:36:13)

https://changelog.com/community

22. Closing thoughts? (01:36:34)

23. More thoughts and closing (01:38:24)