We're all Builders now (Changelog Interviews #644)

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We’re on location at Microsoft Build 2025 with Amanda Silver, Corporate Vice President of Microsoft’s Developer Division. Amanda leads product, design, user research, and engineering systems for some of the tools you use every day. We discuss the latest AI announcements from Microsoft at Build 2025, how AI is reshaping development tools, what’s next for VS Code, TypeScript, GitHub’s evolution, and even emerging editors like Windsurf that are forking the VS Code ecosystem.

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• Retool – Assemble your elite AI team, arm them with powerful custom tools, and watch them make your to-do list disappear. Start for free or book a demo at retool.com/agents
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• Outshift by Cisco – AGNTCY is an open source collective building the Internet of Agents. It’s a collaboration layer where AI agents can communicate, discover each other, and work across frameworks. For developers, this means standardized agent discovery tools, seamless protocols for inter-agent communication, and modular components to compose and scale multi-agent workflows.

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• Adam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X
• Jerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X

Show Notes:

• Build 2025

Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

Chapters

1. This week on The Changelog (00:00:00)

2. Sponsor: Retool (00:01:03)

https://retool.com/agents

3. Start the show! (00:03:07)

4. Microsoft has changed (00:06:31)

5. Hostility toward Microsoft (00:12:46)

6. Sponsor: Heroku (00:18:40)

https://www.heroku.com/changelogpodcast

7. VS Code as a distrobution platform (00:21:46)

8. Is developer tooling a lousy business? (00:26:55)

9. Guard rails for AI (00:30:46)

10. AI vs AI (00:35:11)

11. Code modernization with AI (00:36:58)

12. Autonomous agents (00:44:22)

13. Sponsor: Outshift by Cisco (00:46:40)

https://agntcy.org

14. "Secret Agent" should be a thing (00:47:44)

15. Orchestrating AI (00:54:17)

16. Predictions for this time next year (00:57:32)

17. VS Code vs Windsurf (VS Code forks) (01:02:57)

18. Is Windsurf competition? (01:06:09)

19. Software is not built in a chat (01:09:44)

20. Wrapping up (01:12:29)

21. Changelog.com/live !!!! (01:12:38)

https://changelog.com/live