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Americans’ views on the economy have soured in recent years, often seemingly disconnected with the realities of work and growth in incomes. One particularly pernicious meme, found on both the left and the right, is that economic growth has not translated into higher wages for American workers. This week on Hardly Working, Brent sits down with Scott Winship, who dispels this myth in his recent report, “Understanding Trends in Worker Pay over the Past 50 Years.” Brent and Scott discuss the changing dynamics of the economy, the shifting demand for skills, and how we can expand opportunity within the world’s largest and most dynamic economy.

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Robert Lerman on the Role of Apprenticeships in the American Economy 45:57

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Kerry McKittrick on Education, Career Navigation, and Workforce Development 47:15

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David Hernandez on Creating a Domestic Microprocessor Manufacturing Labor Force 45:49

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Description : This week on Hardly Working, Brent Orrell talks with David Hernandez, Vice President of Education at IPC, the Global Association for Electronics Manufacturing. Brent and David discuss domestic electronics manufacturing, workforce education and training, and the global supply chain. Mentioned During the Show : IPC International, Inc. The CHIPS and Science Act…

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Addressing Rural Economic Development With Kevin R. Kosar 1:27:17

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Sally Satel and Keith Humphreys on the Opioid Epidemic 56:22

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Brad Wilcox on Marriage and Family Stability 52:05

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Daniel Susskind on the Growth Dilemma 44:59

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Scott Winship on the Wage-Productivity Paradox 46:36

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Americans’ views on the economy have soured in recent years, often seemingly disconnected with the realities of work and growth in incomes. One particularly pernicious meme, found on both the left and the right, is that economic growth has not translated into higher wages for American workers. This week on Hardly Working , Brent sits down with Scott Winship, who dispels this myth in his recent report , “Understanding Trends in Worker Pay over the Past 50 Years.” Brent and Scott discuss the changing dynamics of the economy, the shifting demand for skills, and how we can expand opportunity within the world’s largest and most dynamic economy. Mentioned in this Episode Nixon Shock Wagner Act Of Boys and Men Kevin Corinth…

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John Tamny on the End of Work 46:28

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Carol Graham on the Power of Hope 1:33:27

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Jim Pethokoukis on Conservative Futurism 56:50

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What Rural Voters Think: A Conversation with Nick Jacobs 1:30:51

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Divides between rural and urban America have their roots in longstanding demographic, economic, technological, and social factors. In a new event series, AEI’s Brent Orrell and the Brookings Institution’s Tony Pipa are hosting a series of conversations “On the Front Porch” with authors of recent research on issues facing rural America. These discussions explore the unique challenges and opportunities facing rural America and consider policy options to promote development and opportunity. Today on Hardly Working, we bring you the first of these events, a conversation with Nicholas F. Jacobs, the author of the recent book The Rural Voter: The Politics of Place and the Disuniting of America , which examines the state of politics in rural America. Orrell, Pipa, and Jacobs consider the book’s central claim that rural Americans have in recent years combined a deep sense of connection to place with increasingly nationalized policy and political concerns to form a distinct voting bloc. They also discuss the history of rural America; the social, cultural, and economic forces that have affected it in recent years; and the popular notion of a stark rural-urban divide. Overall, they emphasize the importance of dispelling myths about rural America to overcome distrust and disunity. Mentioned in this Episode Reimagining Rural Policy Initiative General Social Survey Omaha Platform of 1892 North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA ) Hillbilly Elegy by J.D. Vance Federalism American Exchange Project…

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Robert Schwartz and Rachel Lipson on Community Colleges and Economic Mobility 57:10

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In recent years, confidence in higher education has plummeted. This decline has prompted a vigorous debate on the role of all types of post-secondary education. In their recent book America’s Hidden Economic Engines: How Community Colleges Can Drive Shared Prosperity , Robert B. Schwartz and Rachel Lipson make the case for the value of community colleges. Surveying five case studies across the US–in Ohio, Virginia, Arizona, Texas, and Mississippi–they argue that community colleges serve as “engines” of social mobility for individuals and communities. Their research shows that community colleges have proven remarkably effective at mitigating economic inequality and promoting social engagement and economic development. Today, Brent sits down with Lipson and Schwartz to discuss what their research means for students and policymakers. Mentioned in this episode Year Up Workforce Innovation and Opportunity Act Pathways to Prosperity Network Lorain County Community College Pima Community College Lightcast The Coleman Report Raj Chetty Opportunity Insights…

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Keith Sonderling on AI and the Workforce 49:14

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Elizabeth Currid-Halkett on Rural America 53:14

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Ben Wildavsky on the Career Arts 58:42

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Michael Chui on Generative AI 42:54

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Artificial intelligence (AI) is advancing at breakneck speed. Michael Chui , a partner at the McKinsey Global Institute (MGI), leads research on how this technology is reshaping business, the economy, and society more broadly. According to MGI, the next wave of AI-generated productivity improvements will send shockwaves through the labor market as it reaches–and surpasses–human-level ability across a wide range of skills but ultimately make the entire world wealthier and healthier. We hope you enjoy this conversation. Mentioned in this Episode McKinsey Global Institute (MGI) MGI report: The Economic Potential of Generative AI Accenture report: Strategy at the Pace of Technology Study on AI's capacity for theory of mind John Maynard Keynes…

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Chris Stirewalt on Appalachia 1:07:09

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Today, we continue to explore Appalachia with Chris Stirewalt , a senior fellow at AEI. Stirewalt, who grew up in Wheeling, West Virginia, speaks to Brent about the unique culture and values of Appalachia, the role that strong families and institutions play in the region’s success, and potential solutions to the region’s challenges, from its opioid epidemic to educational “brain drain.” He also takes us through much of the history of the region, offering deep insight into the region’s identity. As you’ll hear, Stirewalt is optimistic about Appalachia and confident that the region can overcome its most difficult challenges. Mentioned in this Episode More than a Paycheck Deaths of despair Anne Case and Angus Deaton Jay Rockefeller Robert Byrd Big White Ghetto by Kevin Williams Randy Moss West Virginia Hills by Reverend David King…

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Aaron Renn on Appalachia 53:25

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Harriet McDonald and Jennifer Mitchell on the Doe Fund 51:45

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Tom Davenport and Steven Miller on Human-Machine Collaboration 1:00:19

2 years ago1:00:19

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From tech companies to healthcare providers and fast food services, organizations are deploying AI technologies to boost productivity and improve service. As these technologies filter into the economy and workplace, a host of questions are arising: will AI replace human labor? How will new technology affect the nature of work? How can we equip workers for the future and help them adapt to change? In their recent book Working with AI: Real Stories of Human-Machine Collaboration , management and technology experts Tom Davenport and Steven Miller explore these questions through real-world case studies. Pushing back against the growing anxiety over AI’s impact on work, Davenport and Miller contend that AI will not be a job destroyer, but a job-enhancer, a tool that will largely make work better–not only more productive but also more fulfilling and even more accessible–for most workers. In this episode, Davenport and Miller join Brent to discuss their book, offering a vision of the future of work in which AI and other “smart” technologies complement human labor–and make us richer and more productive in the process. Mentioned in this Episode AI life insurance underwriting Salesforce European AI Regulation Lump of labor fallacy DBS Bank's use of generative AI Eric Brynjolfsson…

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Samuel Gregg on the Next American Economy 44:49

2 years ago44:49

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From Elizabeth Warren to former president Trump, actors on both the political left and right show increasing willingness to expand the role of government in the country’s economic affairs. Skepticism of free markets, long confined to the left, is now in vogue across the political spectrum, fueling a renewed interest in industrial policy and trade protectionism. Samuel Gregg , a distinguished fellow in political economy at the American Institute for Economic Research and an Affiliate Scholar at the Acton Institute , pushes back against these trends and what he calls “state capitalism.” In this episode, Gregg joins Brent to discuss his recent book The Next American Economy , which is a forceful defense of free markets and the moral and historical foundations of economic policy in the broader context of American values and history. Mentioned in this Episode Adam Smith’s moral and political philosophy The Theory of Moral Sentiments The Wealth of Nations Michael Novak Patrick Deneen Sohrab Ahmari…

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Uncertainty & Technology: The Adaptability Imperative of Automation 1:07:27

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Does Big Tech Need a Reboot? 1:34:36

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Workforce Futures Initiative Event Rebroadcast 1:33:29

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100th Episode Special: Hardly Working Highlights 30:11

2 years ago30:11

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Joseph Fuller on Delivering on Degrees 44:43

2 years ago44:43

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Joe Fuller, a Nonresident Senior Fellow at AEI and Professor at Harvard Business School, discusses two new reports, Delivering on Degrees and The Partnership Imperative. The first examines the effectiveness of programs that facilitate the transition from postsecondary education to employment and finds programs such as career coaching and experiential coursework can improve persistence in training and employment outcomes. The second report explores how partnerships between community colleges and employers can help address the skills gap. Mentioned in the Episode Joseph B. Fuller AEI Profile Joseph B. Fuller HBS Profile Managing the Future of Work Project at Harvard Business School Delivering on Degrees Report Workforce Futures Initiative Prof. Raj Chetty’s Work on Economic Mobility Of Boys and Men: Why the Modern Male is Struggling, Why It Matters, and What to Do About It by Richard V. Reeves The Partnership Imperative: Community Colleges, Employers, and America’s Chronic Skills Gap Wake Tech Community College San Jacinto College Monroe Community College Valencia College Partnership with Walt Disney World Resort Disney Aspire - Disney’s Education Benefit Program…

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Matt Continetti on American Conservatism through the 20th Century 57:14

2 years ago57:14

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The Republican Party has been the main political vehicle for American conservatism over the past 100 years. Periods of tension between the intellectual/elite faction and the grassroots faction have defined the party’s history. Matt Continetti, senior fellow at AEI, has spent his career studying the Republican Party and the American conservative movement in the 20th century, in particular the tug-of-war between the party’s factions and how this has shaped national politics. Mentioned in the Episode The Right: The Hundred-Year War for American Conservatism Plato’s Republic The Politics of Rage: Why do They Hate Us? The Washington Free Beacon George Wallace 1968 Presidential Campaign Trump: “I love the poorly educated.” House Passes Debt Limit Bill CHIPS Subsidies Come with Lots of Strings Roe v. Wade What is Compassionate Conservatism?…

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Evan Selinger on Tech, Surveillance, and Obscurity in Work and Society 45:17

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Responses to the sudden emergence of widely available artificial intelligence tend to swing between those who believe these technologies will deliver a utopia of unlimited growth and opportunity or inflict a robot-dominated dystopia of human obsolescence. In the space between those two polls, some are engaged in serious ethical reflection that attempts to weigh out the possible impacts of AI in light of the preexisting social trends. One of the more thoughtful, and fair-minded critics of emerging technologies is Evan Selinger, a professor of philosophy at Rochester Institute of Technology. In his research, Dr. Selinger asks how technology has affected our personal obscurity in society (the right not to be known), and how mass surveillance and optimization affects human work. Mentioned in the Episode Don Ihde Patrick Grim Woodrow Hertzog Social obscurity paper Digital doubles – in production and manufacturing Reengineering Humanity Taylorism Frederick Winslow Taylor Brett Frischmann…

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Scott Lincicome on Empowering the New American Worker 29:47

2 years ago29:47

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Scott Lincicome is the Vice President of General Economics and Trade at the CATO Institute, where he works to keep the economy open to innovation and change while preserving safety and opportunity for families, communities and the economy. In this episode, we discuss the intra-conservative debate over how to balance the need for stability in the market with openness to the innovation and change that have been the hallmarks of American development and prosperity throughout the nation’s history. Lincicome discusses these and other themes as they are laid out in his recent edited volume, “Empowering the New American Worker”. Mentioned in the Episode Empowering the New American Worker CATO Institute – Scott Lincicome University of Virginia Law School Libertarianism Liya Palagashvili interview CATO Trade Policy Bracket Challenge Scott Lincicome Atlantic column on the Jones Act Scott Lincicome Dispatch column – egg prices Scott Lincicome Twitter…

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Liya Palagashvili on benefits for non-traditional workers 46:13

2 years ago46:13

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In this episode of Hardly Working , I speak with Liya Palagashvili, Senior Research Fellow at the Mercatus Center at George Mason University as she walks us through her professional journey and research into nontraditional workers. Also known as independent workers, nontraditional workers can be defined as workers who make income outside of traditional employment and who are legally classified as independent contractors or self-employed. She describes different aspects of this rapidly expanding sector of the economy and what its future could be. Our conversation also explores what Palagashvili calls the two policy buckets often used to address challenges for independent workers and their possible repercussions. Mentioned in the Episode The Rise of the Creative Class The Gig Economy Form 1099-MISC Etsy AB-5 Worker status: employees and independent contractors California Proposition 22 Department of Labor regulatory guidance on worker classification rules Employee Classification Tests . Utah Portable Benefit Plan…

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John Roy Price, Scott Winship and Robert Doar on Nixon’s Surprising Domestic Policy 56:46

2 years ago56:46

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The Nixon administration is renowned for their surprising consideration of differing social and welfare policies and the internal conflict and debate that this created within the Republican party it led. In this episode of Hardly Working , I am joined by John Roy Price, special assistant to President Nixon during the contentious time period of 1969-71 and author of “The Last Liberal Republican: An Insider’s Perspective on Nixon’s Surprising Social Policy.” We discuss, joined by Robert Doar (President of AEI) and Scott Winship (Director of the AEI Center for Opportunity and Mobility) perspectives on the Nixon Administration, social and welfare policy, the history of the Republican party, and learn a little more about John Doar, Robert’s esteemed father. Mentioned in the Episode The Last Liberal Republican: An Insider’s Perspective on Nixon’s Surprising Social Policy John Roy Price Robert Doar Scott Winship John Doar Donald Rumsfeld Richard Nixon Pat Buchanan Arthur Burns Nixon’s Family Assistance Plan Negative Income Tax…

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David Adams on Improving Education through Social Emotional Learning 56:30

2 years ago56:30

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Workforce preparation is a crucial task that all community institutions – from families, to schools, to civic organizations – contribute to. It takes a village to make a good employee. However, few organizations, educational institutions, and nonprofits have adopted as well-rounded of an approach as the Urban Assembly, a nonprofit that equips schools to deliver social-emotional learning to students. In this episode of Hardly Working , I speak with David Adams, CEO of Urban Assembly as he explains his journey of moral and vocational formation, including how it sparked his passion for the social-emotional and educational success of students. In doing so, he describes some of the unique initiatives that have made Urban Assembly successful, despite the numerous challenges public education experiences today. Our conversation also illuminates policy options for improving opportunity and equity across racial and socioeconomic divides. Mentioned in the Episode David Adams Social and Emotional Learning – The Urban Assembly Theory of Moral Sentiments by Adam Smith Urban Assembly White House Recognizes International Social Emotional Learning Day SELday – Social Emotional Learning Day Urban Assembly School for Collaborative Healthcare Enlightenment Now by Steven Pinker Hillbilly Elegy William Julius Wilson solving Black inner-city poverty Brown v. Board of Education Neil Postman…

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Alissa Quart on Economic Hardship and Automation in Journalism 54:11

2 years ago54:11

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Economic mobility has been a trademark of the American Dream since its inception, but over time generations have found that social and economic mobility in the pursuit of such a Dream has gradually become more difficult. For writer and non-profit leader Alissa Quart, the problem of mobility is worthy of attention, as are the individual’s stories who are in pursuit of that American Dream. She has written numerous books and articles on the subject through the Economic Hardship Reporting Project, or EHRP. In this episode of Hardly Working , I talk to Alissa about her views on current state of the workforce, the struggles of economic mobility in America, the future of automation in journalism, and her upcoming book Bootstrapped. Mentioned in the episode: Alissa Quart EHRP CUNY System Raj Chetty Squeezed Uberfication Bootstrapped The Social Workplace Report Barbra Ehrenreich SNAP Syracuse Veterans Center Bobbi Dempsey Sector Based Training The Middle Precariat The Great Resignation…

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Joseph Politano (of Apricitas) on the Modern Economy and his Journalistic Career 56:08

2 years ago56:08

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Every day, thousands of decisions alter the course of our economy and the world. Economists are responsible for tracking these decisions analyzing them. Many endure long educational pathways to gain expertise to comment on economic affairs, but this expertise isn’t always necessary to gain a following or disseminate valuable information. For Joseph Politano, recent graduate of George Washington University and author behind the Apricitas.io Substack, has made the most of his undergraduate education to build a following of loyal subscribers. In this episode of Hardly Working , I talk with Joseph about his nascent career in Economics, building a following as an independent journalist, and his views on the most pressing issues facing our labor market. Mentioned in the Episode The George Washington University - Economics Apricitas Peace Corps Agribusiness Bureau of Labor Statistics Employment and Training Administration Department of Labor Dopamine Nick Bunker BuzzFeed Article on Laid-Off Tech Workers…

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Matt Sigelman on Predicting and Analyzing Work in America 58:21

3 years ago58:21

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As President of Burning Glass Institute and former CEO of Emsi Burning Glass (now Lightcast), Matt Sigelman is a leading expert in real-time labor market information. This makes him particularly able to speak to workers preparing for an uncertain future with the skills required to rise in the modern economy. In this episode, Sigelman provides insight from his career in data and business, as well as findings from Burning Glass’ new American Opportunity Index to give workers a realistic picture of what they can do to advance in their careers. Mentioned in the episode Matt Sigelman Princeton Microsoft Access Water cooler effect The Social Workplace study American Opportunity Index Lightcast Emsi/Burning Glass merger Burning Glass Institute Technical vs. Non-cognitive skills German educational model Joe Fuller Harvard Business School…

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Eric Reinhart on Accompaniment and the Limits of Empathy in Modern Community 1:00:36

3 years ago1:00:36

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Turn on the news, and you’ll be accosted with narratives of societal decline and tempted to despair. Dr. Eric Reinhart is one voice fighting for hope in the disadvantaged communities of Chicago, Illinois. With a kaleidoscope of degrees and credentials, Dr. Reinhart works to address both the symptoms of poverty and disadvantage by addressing their root causes. In this episode, he explains the factors that influenced his multifaceted career, how he views the empathy and the nihilistic impulses of society, and how restoring public trust through accompaniment could help us reconnect with one another. Mentioned in the Episode Eric Reinhart Harvard History of Science – Charles Rosenburg , Allan Brandt , Jeremy Greene Paul Farmer Arthur Kleinman Community health worker systems Jim Kim , Ophelia Dahl Brigham Women’s Hospital Carl Bell Accompaniment Immanuel Kant Empathy vs. Sympathy 68,000 people die per year due to lack of health coverage Eric Reinhart on nihilism Long term decline of male labor force participation Deaths of despair Bullshit jobs book Slate piece on gun control…

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Stephen Moret on Building Educational and Workforce Opportunities in States and Localities 54:41

3 years ago54:41

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Stephen Moret is a leading expert in the connection between education and work. In this episode, Dr. Moret shares lessons and successes from his many years leading state and local economic development efforts, educational fundraising efforts, and his new role as CEO of Strada Education Network , a social impact organization helping all students access and make the most of their educational opportunities. Mentioned in the episode Strada Education Network Stephen Moret Student Body President LSU Foundation Virginia Economic Development Partnership Stephen Moret Dissertation Huey Long St. John’s College Virginia Talent Accelerator Program Georgia Quick Start Program Louisiana Fast Start Program – Economist Article Tim Bartik Virginia Office of Education – VOEE Strada Institute for the Future of Work – New Learning Ecosystem KYStats Non-technical skills in career development Increase in Master’s degrees 1 counselor for every 1000 students Joe May…

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Clinton Smith on the Automated Future of Work 43:42

3 years ago43:42

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In their short, shared history, electrical and computing technology have fundamentally altered the way we live and work. Documents are sent in a flash, and goods are produced more efficiently than ever. While that efficiency tends to increase productivity, raise wages, and create new jobs, it also imposes costs in transitions for workers in affected industries. In this episode of Hardly Working , I am joined by Clinton Smith, co-founder of RIOS, a company that delivers robots-as-a-service to manufacturing companies. RIOS seeks to alleviate labor shortage and reduce human wear and tear, especially in fields like manufacturing. We discuss Clinton’s path to industry as well as the benefits and challenges created by his company’s product in on our increasingly-automated economy. Mentioned in the Episode Georgia Tech Computer Science Princeton Electrical Engineering Clinton Smith Clinton Smith Dissertation PARC SPIR Grant ARPA , DARPA , IARPA Grants IOT Distributed Sensing McKinsey Report: A Future that Works Bernard Casse – RIOS Co-founder Haptics Mechanoreceptors , in fingers Deep Learning RIOS Website RIOS Case Study: Hit Promotional Products RIOS VULCAN Robot Workcell shows the possibilities of Pack Out to Box Robots as a service (RaaS) Who Made the Pencil?…

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Erik Brynjolfsson and Michael Strain on The Costs of Labor-Replacing Technology 51:40

3 years ago51:40

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Erik Brynjolfsson’s paper “The Turing Trap: The Promise and Peril of Human-Like Artificial Intelligence” argues that the “imitation game” of creating tech that mimics humans has increased productivity and living standards, but does not exist without costs. Those costs make up “The Turing Trap” which happens when humans not involved in creating AI cannot compete with the productivity and efficiency of the robots designed to do their jobs, and lose control of their economic and political futures. The Turing Trap sits at the center of contemporary labor force struggles, including the Great Resignation, the fight for “good jobs” and cratering male labor force participation. Michael Strain, who directs AEI’s Economic Policy Studies, joins Dr. Brynjolfsson and I to discuss what economic policy can do to encourage more innovators aim higher and create machines that augment rather than replace human labor, and how that effort is crucial to the American Dream. Mentioned in the episode Erik Brynjolfsson Utopia Paperback by Thomas More Foundation Mass Market Paperback by Isaac Asimov Heilbronner’s Worldly Philosophers Doug Hofstadter The Turing Trap by Erik Brynjolfsson Michael R. Strain The American Dream is Not Dead The High School Movement Pigouvian Tax Consumption Tax Tax Reform Act of 1986 Greg Mankiw Pigou Club…

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Glenn Hubbard on Protectionism and Economic Opportunity 53:37

3 years ago53:37