Market Volatility Decoded with Jay Hatfield

Lead-Lag Live

When market volatility erupts, understanding the mechanics behind price movements becomes crucial. In this illuminating conversation with Jay Hatfield of Infrastructure Capital, we dive deep into the surprising dynamics of the recent market sell-off and subsequent recovery following Trump's tariff announcements.
The discussion begins with what Hatfield calls "the small cap tariff problem" – the counterintuitive underperformance of small cap stocks despite their lower exposure to international tariffs. Rather than fundamental concerns, this divergence stems from technical factors: small caps are high beta assets that naturally experience greater volatility during market disruptions. It's a powerful reminder that market commentary often follows price action rather than leads it, creating what Hatfield describes as "momentum market commentary."
Most provocatively, Hatfield challenges the conventional wisdom around tariffs and inflation. Unlike the stagflationary environment of the 1970s when oil prices rose 1200%, today's economic landscape features falling oil prices (down 20% year-to-date) combined with one-time tariff impacts. "Tariffs are one-time price increases, not inflation," Hatfield emphasizes, arguing that the Federal Reserve fundamentally misunderstands this distinction, keeping rates unnecessarily high based on a flawed framework that ignores money supply dynamics.
Looking forward, Hatfield remains constructive on markets with an S&P target range of 5,000 to 6,000 in the near term and 6,600 by year-end. He sees earnings season as a stabilizing force that will replace fear with factual corporate data. For investors navigating this landscape, his Infrastructure Capital ETFs offer different strategies for varying risk appetites – from value-focused small caps (SCAP) to high-yield fixed income (PFFA and BNDS) and covered call strategies (ICAP).
Ready to look beyond the headlines and understand what's really driving markets? This conversation provides the framework you need to separate market noise from investment opportunity during periods of policy uncertainty.

Sign up to The Lead-Lag Report on Substack and get 30% off the annual subscription today by visiting http://theleadlag.report/leadlaglive.

Foodies unite…with HowUdish!
It’s social media with a secret sauce: FOOD! The world’s first network for food enthusiasts. HowUdish connects foodies across the world!
Share kitchen tips and recipe hacks. Discover hidden gem food joints and street food. Find foodies like you, connect, chat and organize meet-ups!
HowUdish makes it simple to connect through food anywhere in the world.
So, how do YOU dish? Download HowUdish on the Apple App Store today: Support the show

Chapters

1. Tariffs and Bond Market Reactions (00:00:00)

2. Small Caps vs Large Caps Performance (00:08:51)

3. Oil Prices and Inflation Dynamics (00:17:09)

4. Fed Policy Mistakes and Monetary Framework (00:26:09)

5. Earnings Season and Market Outlook (00:34:44)

6. Infrastructure Capital ETF Overview (00:43:06)