Why You Should Listen To The Reversing Climate Change Podcast: A Reintroduction! Reversing Climate Change podcast

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In carbon removal, landing a major offtake agreement—like Microsoft’s purchase of 44,000 credits from Carba—is often seen as the holy grail. But what happens next? How does the money flow, and can debt financing bridge the gap between signature and scale? In this episode of Reversing Climate Change , host Ross Kenyon unpacks the deal between Microsoft and Carba, a waste-to-value biochar company turning landfill-bound biomass in Minnesota into durable carbon removal. With credits to be delivered over five years, Carba needed capital to ramp up production. Enter Structure Climate, which is financing the deal to help Carba meet its commitments—showcasing a compelling model for how debt finance can unlock climate impact. Guests Andrew Jones, CEO and Cofounder of Carba, and Matt Schmitt, Founder and CEO of Structure Climate (where Ross serves as an advisor), walk us through the mechanics of the deal, the role of debt vs. equity, and what this means for the future of carbon removal finance. Resources ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠Become a paid subscriber of Reversing Climate Change ⁠⁠⁠ "Carba Announces 5-Year Carbon Removal Credit Purchase Agreement with Microsoft" announcement Structure Climate Carba Microsoft's carbon removal program…

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345: Why Too Many TV Antiheroes May Be Bad for the Climate 48:02

9 days ago48:02

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Fair warning: this episode spoils a lot of (older) media. Antiheroes make for great television. But why are we obsessed with them? Why are they in nearly all prestige dramas? Is this a result of our cultural beliefs, or is it (re)producing a culture of cynical realism? What impacts might it have for politics and climate change? This ascendancy of the antihero is a trend I've been watching (and often enjoying) since my teen years. Shows like The Sopranos helped bring television to its lofty artistic status, but it did so by confusing the natural empathy that good storytelling generates. The longer one watches shows like The Sopranos , the more one ends up rooting for bad guys to be successful. In a world that is ever more mediated by media, could a similar trend be happening in politics? Today's show is an attempt to make sense of the antihero through a number of prestige dramas, and look for some ways of telling stories that don't lead us into the abyss of constant moral ambiguity. Today we're going to talk about hope, reclaiming moral authority, and why it's cool to believe in things. I hope you'll join me in that ambition. This Episode's Sponsors ⁠⁠Offstream⁠⁠ ⁠⁠Arbonics⁠⁠ ⁠⁠Listen to the RCC episode with Lisett Luik from Arbonics⁠⁠ Email me to sponsor at carbon.removal.strategies [at] gmail.com. Resources ⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠Become a paid subscriber of Reversing Climate Change ⁠⁠⁠ "The judge speaks in the name of justice; the priest speaks in the name of pity, which is nothing but a more lofty justice." - Victor Hugo, Les Misérables "Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven." - Matthew 18:21-22, KJV 'Breaking Bad's Vince Gilligan Says We Need More Good Guys on Screen as Bad Guys Have “Taken Over the World” article on MSN The Sopranos ( here's a clip where Anthony Jr. steals sacramental wine from the church and the shot lingers for a few extra seconds on St. Jude, the patron saint of lost causes—perfection ) Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band on Wikipedia "Antihero" article on TVTropes (my favorite repository of writings on archetypes and common storytelling devices) Littlefinger Tells Varys That Chaos Is A Ladder | Game of Thrones | HBO Breaking Bad Ted Lasso The Last of Us The scene between Michael and Kay in The Godfather "Default to Good" article on TVTropes (the unnamed archetype of "the redeemed rogue." I'm glad it already had a name! It deserved one!) The Act of Killing The All We Can Save Project What If We Get It Right? by Dr. Ayana Johnson…

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344: The Optimal Number of Travel Deaths Is Non-Zero: Carbon Removal Trade-Offs in Scale & Quality 25:46

17 days ago25:46

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It's a jarring phrase. There's an even more jarring version of it in this episode. You've been warned. Economists are well-known for gnomic sentences that can sound cruel. For some, that's one of the job's many perks. But that doesn't mean that there isn't some truth in representing decisions as trade-offs. Today is a bonus monologue episode where I am going to unpack this phrase (and its nastier cousin) and explain what it has to teach the carbon removal industry as it grapples with the tension between scale and quality. This Episode's Sponsors ⁠Offstream⁠ ⁠Arbonics⁠ ⁠Listen to the RCC episode with Lisett Luik from Arbonics⁠ Resources ⁠⁠ ⁠Become a paid subscriber of Reversing Climate Change ⁠⁠ "There ain't no such thing as a free lunch" Wikipedia page ⁠Follow the Reversing Climate Change podcast on LinkedIn…

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343: Two Climate People Talk about Their Feelings: Heidi Lim’s New YouTube Channel 1:10:17

23 days ago1:10:17

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You should know about my friend Heidi Lim. She's a leading voice of carbon removal on TikTok. She's been making short-form content for ages but today's show is her first foray into long-form. I have the honor of being her first guest and co-releasing the episode. It is my sincere honor to help Heidi launch her new content on YouTube! We get real in this show, talking about the difficult and sometimes unsung work of climate communications, why our world feels so screwed up, and the black hole of tech jobs that suck so much talent into its brain drain. Best wishes, Heidi! So glad you're now doing this. Count me as a big fan! This Episode's Sponsors ⁠Offstream⁠ ⁠Arbonics⁠ ⁠Listen to the RCC episode with Lisett Luik from Arbonics⁠ Resources ⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠Become a paid subscriber of Reversing Climate Change ⁠⁠⁠⁠ Heidi's TikTok The full video on Heidi's YouTube channel 329: The "Faustian Bargain" in Climate Rhetoric: Goethe's Faust and Modern Occultism—w/ Daniel Backer, author 326: Confronting Our Shadow: Jung, The Vietnam War, & Climate Change—w/ Karl Marlantes, author Follow the Reversing Climate Change podcast on LinkedIn Follow Carbon Removal Memes on LinkedIn "And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell." - Matthew 5:30, KJV…

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How I Got Into Climate Work and Carbon Removal 2:44

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If only there were a podcast that broke down all of the ways climate professionals broke into their industry... Michael Gold is a communications expert and consultant at Word Clouds Consulting and the host of the new podcast, Climate Swings . This show traces guests' stories and explains how they landed a job working on one of humanity's most significant problem sets. Check out the episode of Climate Swings I did with Michael retelling my odyssey into climate work here ! Be sure to subscribe to his show, give it a great rating and review, and send it to a friend trying to come join us. Also, a special thank you to 9Zero for serendipitously facilitating our connection and to Terra.do for helping Michael do what he does! Resources ⁠⁠⁠ ⁠Become a paid subscriber of Reversing Climate Change ⁠⁠⁠ "From PhD Dropout to Carbon Removal Comedian", the episode of Climate Swings I did with Michael ⁠⁠⁠Follow the Reversing Climate Change podcast on LinkedIn⁠…

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342: Carbon Removal & Appropriations: The US Budget During Trump 2—w/ Erin Burns, Executive Director of Carbon180 1:01:19

4 weeks ago1:01:19

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Sometimes, we skip right over the life stories of guests. Othertimes, it's everything. Today, it's everything. Returning to the show after several years is Carbon180's Executive Director, Erin Burns. Erin grew up in a coal mining family in West Virginia, got her start in Joe Manchin's Senate office, and has had a long and impactful career in carbon removal. Today, Erin (re)explains how the budgeting process works in the United States federal government and how the appropriations process intersects with it. What is the difference, and where can voters get involved? This is truly an improvised masterclass in civics education. Listen up for what you missed in high school, and how it will impact the future of carbon removal. This Episode's Sponsors Offstream Arbonics Listen to the RCC episode with Lisett Luik from Arbonics Resources ⁠⁠⁠ ⁠Become a paid subscriber of Reversing Climate Change ⁠⁠⁠ Carbon180 Scrip Company town "The Appropriations Process: A Brief Overview", a CRS Product Carbon180's Carbon Removal Funding Tracker "The Ghost of Tom Joad" by Bruce Springsteen "Which Side Are You On?" by Pete Seeger "There is Power in a Union" by Utah Phillips (originally by Joe Hill) Harlan County, U.S.A.…

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341: The War Below: Critical Minerals, YIMBY for Mining, & the Trade War—w/ Ernest Scheyder, author & journalist 26:38

5 weeks ago26:38

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The clean energy transition sure needs a heck of a lot of mining. What do we do when there are environmental or spiritual costs to getting the materials we need for EVs and batteries? Ernest Scheyder is a Reuters reporter covering critical minerals, and the author of The War Below: Lithium, Copper, and the Global Battle to Power Our Lives . His reporting strives to let audiences draw their own conclusions about where the line should be on environmental extraction, which is a rarer approach than maybe meets the eye. Tune in to also learn where the political battles of the second Trump Administration over critical minerals in Ukraine and clean energy politics at home may lead, and what we should keep our eyes on in the future. Resources ⁠⁠ ⁠Become a paid subscriber of Reversing Climate Change ⁠⁠ Ernest Scheyder's website Ernest's reporting at Reuters The War Below: Lithium, Copper, and the Global Battle to Power Our Lives The Irresponsible Pursuit of Paradise by Jim L. Bowyer ⁠Follow the Reversing Climate Change podcast on LinkedIn…

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The Keynesian Beauty Contest: Product-Market Fit in Climatetech & CDR 13:33

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Nearly a decade ago, I was introduced to the concept of the Keynesian Beauty Contest. It is one of those concepts that I keep coming back to time and time again. I recently participated in a two-month Product-Market Fit workshop led by Peter Nocchiero of Alternate Future and Koray Parmaks of Carbon Zero Capital. So I've been living and breathing PMF. Here is a short monologue bonus video episode where I talk about the Product-Market Fit issues of climatetech and carbon removal, a now-outdated reference to how TSLA bears kept getting crushed, and relate them to my experiences as a founder of the Nori carbon removal marketplace. Resources ⁠⁠ ⁠Become a paid subscriber of Reversing Climate Change ⁠⁠ The Keynesian Beauty Contest on Wikipedia Peter Nocchiero's Alternate Future Carbon Zero Capital⁠ ⁠⁠Follow the Reversing Climate Change podcast on LinkedIn⁠…

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340: The Outlaw Ocean: Ocean Iron Fertilization, Seasteading, & the Chilling of American Journalism—w/ Ian Urbina, The Outlaw Ocean Project 46:12

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I first heard the idiom "worse things happen at sea" in Monty Python's Life of Brian , and it's true. Ian Urbina has made a career of telling stories of the ocean. From piracy, illegal fishing, and sea slavery to seasteading and rogue carbon removal experiments, he's covered the gamut. How does one continuously report on topics of concern to relatively intimidating people? As the old line goes, "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed; everything else is public relations." In today's episode, Ian and host Ross Kenyon discuss these topics, but also broader questions of what is happening to journalism in a political environment where retaliation feels very possible. Resources ⁠ ⁠Become a paid subscriber of Reversing Climate Change ⁠ The Outlaw Ocean: Journeys Across the World's Last Untamed Frontier by Ian Urbina The Outlaw Ocean Project Follow the Reversing Climate Change podcast on LinkedIn…

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339: A Good Drink: In Search of Sustainable Spirits—w/ Shanna Farrell, author 55:24

7 weeks ago55:24

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For fans ages 21 and up! It's often hard to know how sustainable or ethical an alcoholic drink is. Very little disclosure is required on most labels, and many of the recipes are proprietary. What is a conscientious drinker to do? Shanna Farrell wrote A Good Drink: In Search of Sustainable Spirits in order to answer this exact question. She and host Ross Kenyon discuss the strange world of amaros (or "amari" if you're really going for it!), whiskey, agave, and gin, and try to figure out how to even begin approaching this difficult consumptive choice. N.B. If you really want to nerd out on amaro taxonomy, Brad Thomas Parsons's books on amaro and bitters are both quite useful; linked below. Resources ⁠Become a paid subscriber of Reversing Climate Change A Good Drink: In Search of Sustainable Spirits by Shanna Farrell Shanna Farrell's website Amaro: The Spirited World of Bittersweet, Herbal Liqueurs by Brad Thomas Parsons Crushed: How A Changing Climate Is Altering the Way We Drink by Brian Freedman Follow the Reversing Climate Change podcast on LinkedIn…

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338: Carbon Security & the Geopolitics of Carbon Removal—w/ Sarah Godek 50:34

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What is geopolitics, and has it returned? Did it ever really leave? And how will this affect the future prospects of carbon removal? Today's guest is Sarah Godek, a Washington DC-based international relations researcher. She and Grant Faber co-wrote an article on Carbon-Based Commentary called, "Carbon security and the geopolitics of carbon removal". We discuss the tension between strategic liberalism and realism, how the world is changing under the second Trump Administration, as well as if and how the Great Game is currently being played and what implications that has for climate change and CDR. N.B. Regarding the point about Eastern Europe in the introduction, much of my reading on the region has highlighted its former status as a bustling and fervent cultural mixing place. I think I was a bit too subtle in pointing to this understanding. See: A History of Eastern Europe from The Great Courses , or Shtetl by Eva Hoffman. Resources ⁠⁠Become a paid subscriber of Reversing Climate Change "Carbon security and the geopolitics of carbon removal" Graham Allison's Destined for War: Can America and China Escape Thucydides's Trap? Robert Axelrod's The Evolution of Cooperation Kevin Rudd's The Avoidable War: The Dangers of a Catastrophic Conflict between the US and Xi Jinping's China John Pomfret's The Beautiful Country and the Middle Kingdom: America and China, 1776 to the Present Tencent's CarbonX program Raj M. Shah & Christopher Kirchhoff's Unit X: How the Pentagon and Silicon Valley Are Transforming the Future of War Go watch In the Loop , Veep , and The Death of Stalin .…

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I Made AI-Generated Art and Now I’m Wondering What Is Art Even for? 15:04

9 weeks ago15:04

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My podcasting editing platform Descript informed me of a new integration with ChatGPT where it would make me a custom video. I complied in perhaps the most annoying and meta way possible. That video exists at the end of this podcast, but first, I have thoughts I'd like to share on what this process made me feel and think about. I've heard so many takes on artificial intelligence and art, and I have several of my own that I don't often hear reflected. Mine pertain to the sociological purpose of art, and of developing aesthetic talent on the road to greatness. Resources ⁠Become a paid subscriber of Reversing Climate Change Use my referral link to become a user of Descript ⁠⁠ for podcast editing, transcription, and now AI-generated video content.…

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337: Fired from the Department of Energy: Carbon Removal's DOGE Night of the Soul—w/ Grant Faber, Carbon-Based Consulting 54:53

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When you take a major pay cut to work in government, you don't expect unceremoniously fired by the Department of Government Efficiency with a change in administration. But it happened to friend of the show, Grant Faber. Grant Faber was the United States Department of Energy's Direct Air Capture Hubs Program Manager until he was let go as part of the recent firing of probationary federal employees. In today's episode, Grant explains what he was working on, what it was like being at the DoE during this turbulent time of Trump 2 & DOGE, and what it means for carbon removal, the climate, and the United States moving forward. Resources Become a paid subscriber of Reversing Climate Change Listen to The CDR Policy Scoop episode with Noah Deich Grant's Substack Grant's recent RCC episode on coproduction and additionality Don't make me link to the ASMR deportation video There are a bunch of episodes I've made with thoughtful conservatives. Poke around the catalog if you'd like. I'll add some more links later if I have the heart to do it. Russell Vought, Director of the Office of Management and Budget (I mistakenly say OEM in the show): "We want the bureaucrats to be traumatically affected... When they wake up in the morning, we want them to not want to go to work because they are increasingly viewed as the villains. We want their funding to be shut down so that the EPA can't do all of the rules against our energy industry because they have no bandwidth financially to do so...We want to put them in trauma."…

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Will You Join the AirMiners Buyers Club?—w/ Adina Mangubat & Tito Jankowski, AirMiners 28:01

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There are a lot of companies that want to buy carbon removal and don't have the budget to participate in Frontier or Symbiosis. What are they to do? Until now, they either had to pay expensive consultants or vet projects and contracts themselves and stand by their choices alone. No longer! The new AirMiners Buyers Club could not be arriving at a better time. Federal policy for carbon removal is in an extremely turbulent moment. Buying momentum is not growing to the degree that we need to see. The AirMiners Buyers Club aims to solve for the missing middle of carbon removal buyers. Do you work at (or know someone who works at) a company that could be passionate about supporting cutting-edge carbon removal companies? Are you a high-net-worth individual? Involved in philanthropy? If so, please reach out to Tito Jankowski directly (tito[at]airminers.com) and see how you can work together to grow CDR during its Dark Night of the Soul. Additionally, if you personally want to support CDR in non-monetary ways, come join the so-called Rebel Alliance in AirMiners . We'd love to have you. Thank you so much for your love and support of carbon removal! Resources ⁠Become a paid subscriber of Reversing Climate Change Join the AirMiners Buyers Club by emailing Tito Jankowski directly: tito[at]airminers.com. Form to join the Rebel Alliance AirMiners's website Frontier Symbiosis…

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336: Will Trees Play a Role in the Future of Carbon Removal?—w/ Lisett Luik, Co-Founder of Arbonics 43:07

10 weeks ago43:07