🎙️Good Bad Things With Danny Kurtzman & Steve Way Scratch That: Parenting & ReParenting Off Script podcast

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As we kick off Pride month, we turn over what it means to bring a new person into a scary world, especially as a queer parent, and the ways pregnancy has helped Caitlin understand and live out their gender. Tune in to hear us talk about: 🫢 A super big announcement! ❓ Asking questions to understand the ways we experience pregnancy and parenthood differently. ⚖️ Caitlin processing the need they felt to choose between being visibly queer and keeping their kids safe in public. 🏳️‍🌈 Why being pregnant with Charlie propelled Caitlin to come out as nonbinary. 🔔 The moment Caitlin rung the bell that could not be unrung and showed up as their nonbinary self to people that mattered. 👥 Modeling for our kids an alignment in how we show to the world and how we show up inside our homes. Mentioned In Today's Episode: If you'd like to swaddle Caitlin in a little care for this new being that's coming to be, check out their registry here 💛 As Always: Check out Caitlin and Rebekah's Book Shop ! Here you can find every book mentioned in our episodes, as well as a few additional faves. Use this link to get a 25% discount on a PokPok subcription! And if you haven't listened yet, check out our interview with PokPok creators , Esther and Melissa. We would love to hear from you! Drop your thoughts on this conversation below💛 🍎 Apple 🟢 Spotify Find Rebekah on Substack & Caitlin on Instagram ✨…

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🎙️ The Hilarious & Heartbreaking with Shane & Hannah Burcaw 1:03:08

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Today on Scratch That we chat with one of the most beloved couples on the internet – Squirmy and Grubs ! (Also known as Shane and Hannah Burcaw 🤗) They talk with us about what it's like to share their personal lives with an enormous following, how they cope with internet hate and real life ignorance about disability/relationships, why they wrote their new book Interabled: True Stories of Love and Disability , the perspective they've gained through their experience with IVF, and loads more! There was much giggling. There were sobering truths. There was a story about the time Hannah ate edibles and then thought a real life witch approached them on the street. We're so excited to share this one with you💛 Tune in to hear us talk about: 🤡 Little Shane and Little Hannah as two rule-following class clowns. 🧑‍🦼The shame Shane had about his disability when he was younger and the coping mechanisms he developed to be seen as fully human. 💞 Why we think so many people struggle to understand how disability, care giving, and romantic relationships can co-exist. 📣 Why Shane and Hannah continue to share their stories publicly, even when their comment sections fill up with ignorance and hate. 🛠 The tools Hannah & Shane have found to protect themselves from ignorance. ⚡ Disability as a disruption to narrow expectations around traditional gender norms and inter-generational living. 🗺The perspective they've gained from their IVF experience. Mentioned In Today's Episode: Shane and Hannah's book, Interabled: True Stories of Love and Disability And their YouTube channel, Squirmy and Grubs Sara Hendren's book What Can a Body Do? And here is an interview Sara Hendren did with Krista Tippett on the On Being podcast about an obligation to others as valuable within human society. The 3 songs Hannah and Shane added to our collective Scratch That Spotify playlist – Fortune Teller by Sea Lemon , Get Better by alt-J , and look up by Joy Oladokum . As Always: Check out Caitlin and Rebekah's Book Shop ! Here you can find every book mentioned in our episodes, as well as a few additional faves. Use this link to get a 25% discount on a PokPok subcription! And if you haven't listened yet, check out our interview with PokPok creators , Esther and Melissa. We would love to hear from you! 🍎 Apple 🟢 Spotify Find Rebekah on Substack & Caitlin on Instagram ✨…

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⚡️Letters from Love a la Elizabeth Gilbert 32:08

18 days ago32:08

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If love incarnate was sitting beside you today, what would they say to you? Today we offer you a little practice that we learned from the one-and-only Elizabeth Gilbert – Letters from Love . We share a tiny how-to and then dive into reading some of our own letters, Caitlin as a seasoned veteran and Rebekah as a fresh newbie. You're invited to write your own letter, too, but even if you don't, we hope this especially tender episode brings you some kind of love today. Mentioned In Today's Episode: Here is Elizabeth Gilbert's how-to guide on Letters from Love on her Substack by the same name. Caitlin made a print of the phrase that came to Rebekah in her Letter from Love! You can purchase it for $5 here 💌 As Always: Check out Caitlin and Rebekah's Book Shop ! Here you can find every book mentioned in our episodes, as well as a few additional faves. Use this link to get a 25% discount on a PokPok subcription! And if you haven't listened yet, check out our interview with PokPok creators , Esther and Melissa. We would love to hear from you! What would Love have you know today? 🍎 Apple 🟢 Spotify Find Rebekah on Substack & Caitlin on Instagram ✨…

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🎙️Good Bad Things with Danny Kurtzman & Steve Way 1:01:17

25 days ago1:01:17

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Today on Scratch That we bring you the disabled bromance of your dreams – Danny Kurtzman and Steve Way . You might know Steve from his role on the Hulu series Ramy , and maybe you recognize Danny from his modeling days, but most recently, these two have been in creative collaboration as the leading man (Danny) and executive producer (Steve) of the recent (gorgeous) film Good Bad Things . These two live out the themes of this podcast, literally rewriting the scripts of disability storytelling as actors, screenwriters, producers, and directors. And as they share about their own creative journeys, it's very clear they have a powerful friendship. Starting May 13th, you can stream Good Bad Things on Hulu! Here's a link with all the places you can listen, watch, purchase, and support💛 Let's show the powers that be with our plays, hearts, and downloads that this is the kind of storytelling we crave! Tune in to hear: 🖤 Steve tell us what it was like to grow up thinking he wouldn't live to be an adult. 🫧 Danny describe the gifts and curses of the bubble he grew up in. 👤 The gnarly ways internalized ableism has shown up in both their stories, and the revising/rewiring/rewriting they continue to do. 👊 The potent power of friendship in rewriting our own scripts. ❓ Steve tell us the simplest, most effective question his friends asked him when he was in a dark place. ⚡️ Danny's hot take on "inspiration porn." 📺 All the deets on their new film, Good Bad Things , and how this movie wouldn't exist without Danny seeing Steve on TV first. Mentioned In Today's Episode: Steve's hilarious standup . The coach we all love and adore, Carson Tueller . The 5-minute film, We'll Meet Again , Danny and Steve made for the 2025 Easterseals Disability Film Challenge. (Content warning – true to its prompt, this film is a genuine horror. As it looks at some of the darkest layers of ableism, it includes suggestions of suicide.) NOT Mentioned In Today's Episode: After we stopped recording, Danny reminded me that we try to ask all our guests to contribute a song to our collaborative Scratch That playlist, Songs That Have Held Us . Danny and Steve are both big fans of Mac Miller and our playlist now includes the song they chose – " Good News. " As Always: Check out Caitlin and Rebekah's Book Shop ! Here you can find every book mentioned in our episodes, as well as a few additional faves. Use this link to get a 25% discount on a PokPok subcription! And if you haven't listened yet, check out our interview with PokPok creators , Esther and Melissa. We would love to hear from you! Did you see yourself reflected in the stories you saw growing up? Have you seen disability representation changing meaningfully in recent years? What is your favorite (or least favorite!) example of disability representation in recent storytelling? 🍎 Apple 🟢 Spotify Find Rebekah on Substack & Caitlin on Instagram ✨…

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⚡️Start Where You Are (Caitlin Tells Us About Their Online Class) 32:14

5 weeks ago32:14

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Do you ever feel frozen by the chaos, the mess, the to-do list? There's a big project you really want to dive into, but every time you try to start, you end up scrolling on your phone instead? Or you look out at the suffering in the great wide world and don't know what steps you could possibly take to help? This week, Caitlin introduces us to a sturdy framework their brilliant little brain created to help them in just such moments. And if you dig it, you're in luck, because they're offering a whole juicy online class based on these ideas this spring! Mentioned In Today's Episode: Check out all these details on Caitlin's online class – Start Where You Are ⭐️ As Always: Check out Caitlin and Rebekah's Book Shop ! Here you can find every book mentioned in our episodes, as well as a few additional faves. Use this link to get a 25% discount on a PokPok subcription! And if you haven't listened yet, check out our interview with PokPok creators , Esther and Melissa. We would love to hear from you! What do you have? What do you need? And how would it feel to start that thread in the group chat? 🍎 Apple 🟢 Spotify Find Rebekah on Substack & Caitlin on Instagram ✨…

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🌪️ Born Bad? Good Inside? Some Mysterious 3rd Option? 37:09

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On today's episode, it's Dr Becky versus Original Sin! What happens when Good Inside takes on the fall of man? Are our jobs as parents to get out of the way and nurture our kids' inherent goodness? Or are we here to guide them away from their bad instincts? In Scratch That fashion, today's tornado conversation swirls through the gray as we try to piece together a both/and philosophy that can support us through the unwieldy work of learning/teaching how to be a human. Tune in to hear us talk about: 🐣 The Easter-weekend moment Caitlin had with Charlie that sparked this whole episode. 🔎 Shifting the focus from good versus bad to belonging versus abandonment. 🤼‍♀️ Shame versus responsibility, unmet needs versus bad behavior. ⚡️ How the capital S-self might help us get out of binary thinking. Mentioned In Today's Episode: For anyone feeling lost every time we reference Dr Becky, here's a link to her corner of the internet. As Always: Check out Caitlin and Rebekah's Book Shop ! Here you can find every book mentioned in our episodes, as well as a few additional faves. Use this link to get a 25% discount on a PokPok subcription! And if you haven't listened yet, check out our interview with PokPok creators , Esther and Melissa. We would love to hear from you! Are we the only ones thinking about these questions? What did this episode bring up for you? And do you have any good book recommendations?? 🍎 Apple 🟢 Spotify Find Rebekah on Substack & Caitlin on Instagram ✨…

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🎙️ Creativity as a Way of Life with Elsie Larson 1:10:02

7 weeks ago1:10:02

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Do you ever long to explore a totally new creative outlet or try something brand new? Like, I don't know, write a novel? Open a cute little boutique? Or try your hand at jumpstarting an art career? Our guest today has the trickster energy to try it all, throwing off scripts about being too inexperienced or too old to explore, try, and play. Elsie Larson is a mother of two and co-founder of A Beautiful Mess empire she's built with her sister Emma. The two are creative makers to their core, from their vintage clothing boutique Red Velvet (RIP) where they sold their originally designed dresses to their outrageously successful blog where they share original recipes, DIY projects, and home renovation ideas. They've written books , co-host a podcast , and showcase their ideas on their Instagram account . Today we truly talk about it all with Elsie, from her journey as a creative to her role as an adoptive parent, from her earliest years to her plans for her 50s. Tune in to hear us talk about: 🤸 The way Elsie's childhood fostered her creative trickster energy. ⚠️ Where she gets her boldness, willingness to take risks, and try something new. 🏆 Jealousy as a manifesting tool. 🧭 How Elsie pivoted when she lost her sense of self in early parenthood. 📅 Making choices for yourself 10 years from now & feeling excited to get old. 📝 The common scripts about adoption that strangers repeat to Elsie & how she's narrating a different story in front of her daughters. 💞Ridding ourselves of the assumption that we understand our kids' experiences of the world & generating more curiosity within a family ecosystem. 🐣 Rebekah and Elsie's shared stories of getting married and divorced really young. 🙏 How our particular evangelical upbringings influence how we show up as adults/parents & what Caitlin misses most about church. Mentioned In Today's Episode: We talk about "trickster energy" a lot on Scratch That! The idea comes from Elizabeth Gilbert's book Big Magic 💫 Martha Beck's book The Way of Integrity Elsie's podcast is called A Beautiful Mess , and the episode Rebekah mentioned on goal setting is #246 "Setting Goals for 2025" As Always: Check out Caitlin and Rebekah's Book Shop ! Here you can find every book mentioned in our episodes, as well as a few additional faves. Use this link to get a 25% discount on a PokPok subcription! And if you haven't listened yet, check out our interview with PokPok creators , Esther and Melissa. We would love to hear from you! How are you coping (or not!) with all the demands the domestic world? Are there ways you are forced out of the traditional scripts around care work? Or do you long to break out of them, but find it difficult to actually do? 🍎 Apple 🟢 Spotify Find Rebekah on Substack & Caitlin on Instagram ✨…

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⚡Little Antidotes to Anxiety & Big Solidarity 44:54

8 weeks ago44:54

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Anyone else feeling a little extra anxious these days? SAME. On today's episode, we share some of the strategies and tools we're using to stay grounded and keep belly-crawling forward. Tune in to hear us talk about: 🌥Why taking pictures of the sky calms Caitlin's nervous system. 🏘 Caitlin's most annoying anxiety hack. 📰 The new way Rebekah is consuming news. 🧥 What Rebekah is doing instead of impulsively buying that cardigan from Target. ✨ Caitlin rushing toward JOY with the same kind of energy as they rush toward a crisis. 🎤 Rebekah saying the absolutely-for-certain true things out loud. Mentioned In Today's Episode: Recording of Ross Gay with Bon Iver, "Catalog of Unabashed Gratitude" Mary Oliver Andrew Gibson Joy Sullivan Found on the We Can Do Hard Things podcast feed, "Calm News with Jessica Yellin" And here's a link to Jessica Yellin's Substack, News Not Noise Here's how you too can mend the armpit holes in your shirts! Rebekah's new picture book, We Are the Scrappy Ones (This link takes you to Rebekah's favorite local bookshop where she is signing copies. It is also available wherever books are sold.) As Always: Check out Caitlin and Rebekah's Book Shop ! Here you can find every book mentioned in our episodes, as well as a few additional faves. Use this link to get a 25% discount on a PokPok subcription! And if you haven't listened yet, check out our interview with PokPok creators , Esther and Melissa. We would love to hear from you! Who are the creators lighting up your world these days? Let fill up the comments with a big ol' show and tell! 🍎 Apple 🟢 Spotify Find Rebekah on Substack & Caitlin on Instagram ✨…

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🎙️ Reimagining Domesticity, Keeping House, & Care Work with Laura Danger 53:17

9 weeks ago53:17

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In today's episode, Laura Danger (aka @thatdarnchat ) dives into a candid conversation with us about care work, domestic labor, and the powerful/often invisible scripts that shape our life choices, relationship dynamics, and home lives. Offering a unique perspective as a parent with ADHD and bipolar 2, Laura invites us to go off script, tune out default societal expectations, and set the terms for our homes, relationships, and stories. Tune in to hear us talk about: 🧑‍🎨 Being an artsy emo punk feminist who also has a crush on Freddie Prinze Jr. 🔎 Learning to decipher our own desires from society's expectations. 🧑‍🧑‍🧒 Co-parenting as a useful framework for all the parenting. 😳 The embarrassing realization that you're living inside a cliché sitcom, and you're playing the part of the naggy sitcom mom. ✨ Looking to queer, multigenerational, and divorced families for tools to build a framework of care without any assumptions. ♿️ The complicated ways disability disrupts traditional scripts around gender and care work. 📝 How difficult it can be to actually embody an alternate script. ꩜ The shame that can spiral when a neurodivergent person sees their sink full of dirty dishes. 💎 Laura Danger's interesting bit of hope built on a tiny bit of data. Mentioned In Today's Episode: Laura Danger's upcoming book with Dutton publishing is called No More Mediocre: A Call to Reimagine Our Relationships and Demand More — make sure you're following @thatdarnchat for the cover reveal and pre-order link on April 21! And check out Laura Danger's podcast, Time to Lean ! Laura also mentioned Eve Rodsky's book, Fair Play: A Game-Changing Solution for When You Have Too Much to Do (and More Life to Live). As Always: Check out Caitlin and Rebekah's Book Shop ! Here you can find every book mentioned in our episodes, as well as a few additional faves. Use this link to get a 25% discount on a PokPok subcription! And if you haven't listened yet, check out our interview with PokPok creators , Esther and Melissa. We would love to hear from you! How are you coping (or not!) with all the demands the domestic world? Are there ways you are forced out of the traditional scripts around care work? Or do you long to break out of them, but find it difficult to actually do? 🍎 Apple 🟢 Spotify Find Rebekah on Substack & Caitlin on Instagram ✨…

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🌪️Honest Parenting Moments: The Pivots, Revisions, and Endless Evolutions 41:28

10 weeks ago41:28

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What do we do when our parenting strategies aren't working out the way we expected? Or we stumble into a hard parenting fail? On today's episode, we share parenting stories we recorded several months ago on the CosmoParenting podcast . Then we reflect on those stories, honestly naming the ways our strategies are evolving (or not) with time. This is an episode all about the messy, unresolved, ever-shifting work of parenting and peopling. Tune in to hear us talk about: 📜 Disrupting old narratives through adaptation. ⚖️ The tricky balance of acknowledging pain and also pushing past discomfort. 👥 Modeling behavior versus exercising power. ⛓️‍💥 Understanding our past to break patterns. ☀️ Bring our parenting fails into the sunlight to move forward and evolve. Mentioned In Today's Episode: If you're looking for a parenting podcast full of bite size practical tools, the CosmoParenting podcast is for you! And if you missed our earlier episode interviewing the host of CosmoParenting, Abbie VanMeter, you can listen to it here - "What paradigms are we building? (Part 2) with Abbie VanMeter" As Always: Check out Caitlin and Rebekah's Book Shop ! Here you can find every book mentioned in our episodes, as well as a few additional faves. Use this link to get a 25% discount on a PokPok subcription! And if you haven't listened yet, check out our interview with PokPok creators , Esther and Melissa. We would love to hear from you! What parenting scripts are you revising in real time? What moments are you coming back to again and again as parents and people? Find Rebekah on Substack & Caitlin on Instagram ✨…

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🎙️ Flipping the Script on Disability with Lucy & James Catchpole 1:06:48

11 weeks ago1:06:48

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Will these charming Brits be able to withstand Rebekah's gushing?? If you don't yet know who Lucy and James Catchpole are, tune into our episode from last week, "Catchpoles + Andy J Pizza Love Fest." Two disabled parents who run a children's literary agency and write picture books, Lucy and James talk to us about their early experiences with disability, the ways disability shapes their parenting, and how their creative work reframes disability as ordinary, in sharp contrast to the cultural narratives of awe and pity. Tune in to hear us talk about: ❤️ Restriction as a liberating starting point. 🪶 James's early memory of swapping the goal of normalcy for the joy of moving his body freely. 👑 Lucy's rare experience as a non-disabled child seeing disability represented as dignified and regal. 🌀 Lucy's origin story of learning to parent without guilt. ❓Common non-disabled narratives of disability that laud asking and kindness. 🤝 Belonging to a disability legacy and culture that we can pass on to younger generations. Mentioned In Today's Episode: Pre-Order the forthcoming YA collection of first-person essays, Owning It: Tales From Our Disabled Childhoods , edited by Jen Campbell, Lucy and James Catchpole, and illustrated by Sophie Kamlish. (You can read an essay by Rebekah in this collection, too!) (All orders from Blackwell include free shipping to the US!) Check out all three of James and Lucy's picture books – What Happened to You? You're So Amazing! Mama Car! Watch Lucy and James sing their own pandemic lockdown version of "Oh my darling, Clementine" with their daughter. (Highly recommend. Easily the sweetest thing you'll watch/listen to this week.) As Always: Check out Caitlin and Rebekah's Book Shop ! Here you can find every book mentioned in our episodes, as well as a few additional faves. Use this link to get a 25% discount on a PokPok subcription! And if you haven't listened yet, check out our interview with PokPok creators , Esther and Melissa. We would love to hear from you! Who are the creators lighting up your world these days? Let fill up the comments with a big ol' show and tell!…

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🎙️ Catchpoles + Andy J Pizza Love Fest 32:17

12 weeks ago32:17

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On today's Show-and-Tell episode, we gush about some of our favorite creators: Lucy and James Catchpole (disabled parents and children's book authors, with "more children than working legs") and Andy J Pizza (New York Times bestselling author / illustrator / podcaster). And we want to hear from you, too! Who are the creators lighting up your world these days? Tune in to hear us talk about: 🛝 Being a disabled kid on the playground. 📝 Subversive representation that flips the script of disability storytelling. 🧰 Children's books that give our kids agency 🎨 ADHD + art + parenting Mentioned In Today's Episode: Pre-Order the forthcoming collection Owning It: Tales From Our Disabled Childhoods , edited by Jen Campbell, Lucy and James Catchpole, and illustrated by Sophie Kamlish. (You can read an essay by Rebekah in this collection, too!) (All orders from Blackwell include free shipping to the US!) As Always: Check out Caitlin and Rebekah's Book Shop ! Here you can find every book mentioned in our episodes, as well as a few additional faves. Use this link to get a 25% discount on a PokPok subcription! And if you haven't listened yet, check out our interview with PokPok creators , Esther and Melissa. We would love to hear from you! Who are the creators lighting up your world these days? Let fill up the comments with a big ol' show and tell! Find Rebekah on Substack & Caitlin on Instagram ✨…

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🎙️ Do We Really Need Social Media? With Amelia Hruby 1:09:28

13 weeks ago1:09:28

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On today's episode, we talk with the one-and-only, our beloved editor, Amelia Hruby ! You've heard her name at the end of every episode and today we bring you her voice. Founder of the feminist podcast studio, Softer Sounds , and host of her own podcast, Off the Grid , Amelia is a prominent and grounding voice in the increasingly anxious world of social media (especially for those of us with our careers tied to that space). In today's episode, we also share about the hard decision to pause our work with Amelia as we try to figure out sustainability and finances for keeping Scratch That afloat. (Thanks upon thank you for every person who has and continues to support us on Patreon! We are so grateful for you!!) Tune in to hear us talk about: 📲 The sneaky ways social media creates the problems it claims to solve. 🧮 Naming the problems we are really trying to solve and how an app can (and can't) meet that need. 👯‍♂️ Ways to make friends without social media. 📈 The difference between casually using social media and building a business on social media. 🛼 Fashion as another (older) way to signal to others what you value. 🏘️ Getting back to the small and local. 🎨 The differences between being an artist versus being a content creator. We would love to hear from you! How are you navigating social media these days? How does it feel to be there? Or have you already left? Have you found ways to use the tool in a way that feels good and helpful? Have you found alternate paths to solving problems where you used to only use an app? Find Rebekah on Substack & Caitlin on Instagram ✨ Check out Caitlin and Rebekah's Book Shop ! Here you can find every book mentioned in our episodes, as well as a few additional faves. Use this link to get a 25% discount on a PokPok subcription! And if you haven't listened yet, check out our interview with PokPok creators , Esther and Melissa.…

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🎙️Redefining Screen Time with Esther Huybreghts & Melissa Cash 54:02

14 weeks ago54:02

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On today's episode, we get to chat with the creative powerhouses, Esther Huybreghts and Melissa Cash. Driven by the need for good alternatives to overwhelming, addictive children's apps saturating the market, they set out to create an experience that parents could feel good about handing to their kids. They made the thing they needed, and Pok Pok was born — the Apple Design Award-winning preschool app. We are obsessed. If you are also obsessed after listening to Esther and Melissa talk about Pok Pok, use this link to get a 25% discount for a subscription: https://my.playpokpok.com/checkout?promocode=25SCRATCHTHAT Tune in to hear us talk about: 🌀 Esther's and Melissa's early experiences with play and creativity. 🛝 The origins of Pok Pok - making the thing you want to see in the world. ❤️ Creativity as a tool for surviving post-partum depression. 🔎 Naming the concerns and stigmas around screen time. 🐣👵 The importance of play from infancy to adulthood. 🥱 The value of boredom. 🪄 Striving for access and inclusion in design. 🪀 The difference between a toy and a game. 📱 Escaping the dopamine cycle we get from screens. We would love to hear from you! What are your screen time woes and triumphs? How has play evolved for you over the course of your life? Find Rebekah on Substack & Caitlin on Instagram ✨ Check out Caitlin and Rebekah's Book Shop ! Here you can find every book mentioned in our episodes, as well as a few additional faves.…

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🌪️How Do We Raise Scrappy/Resilient Kids Sans Trauma? 21:57

15 weeks ago21:57