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Why Principals Are Burning Out and What Jackie Campbell Is Doing About It
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Leadership in education is at a breaking point. Principals across the country are overwhelmed, isolated, and under immense pressure to deliver results without the tools or support systems to do so. In this compelling episode, Josh Cary sits down with veteran educator and transformational leader Jackie Campbell, a Southern California principal and CEO of Collaboration and Communication Consultant, LLC.
With over 30 years of experience, from the classroom to district-level leadership, Jackie reveals why so many educational leaders are struggling and lays out a powerful new approach to sustainable, collaborative leadership that is already producing record-setting results in her own school. If you care about leadership, culture, and the future of education, this conversation will shift your perspective.
What You’ll Learn in This Episode
The Real Foundation of Leadership
Why leadership isn't about title or authority, but about intentionally listening, aligning with your team's goals, and creating a shared vision of success.
The Time Crisis in Leadership
How most leaders fail, not because of incompetence, but because they don’t know how to manage timing, stakeholder involvement, and the pressure to perform quickly.
Why Most Leadership Training Falls Short
Jackie breaks down how traditional training programs fail to prepare principals for the realities of school leadership, and what must be embedded in future training models.
The Power of “Outside the Boss” Collaboration
Why real solutions happen when school leaders collaborate without the pressure of district directives, and how Jackie is building a national community to make this happen.
The DREAM Model Explained
Jackie’s step-by-step recursive model that helps leaders define, refine, activate, and evaluate progress in a way that fosters sustained transformation across entire school communities.
How Jackie Took Her School to #1
A behind-the-scenes look at how Jackie turned around one of the most underserved schools in her district, 95% low socioeconomic status, 97% Hispanic, 80% English language learners, into a top performer in both academic achievement and school climate.
How to Build a Legacy of Leadership
Why Jackie believes the future of education requires embedding collaborative leadership structures into university programs and cultivating the next generation of assistant principals through mentorship and shared leadership.
Memorable Quotes
“Leadership is not about the title. It’s about co-creating a vision for success, and then getting out of the way.”
“We have to think outside the boss. True collaboration happens when there’s no pressure—just people solving problems together.”
“You have to slow down to go fast. When you rush the process, you miss the opportunity to build real buy-in and sustainable progress.”
“Reaction mode doesn’t work. Responding, evaluating, and acting intentionally is the way forward.”
Resources & Links
- Jackie’s Leadership Community: PrincipalCollaborative.com
- Jackie’s Book: Time to Lead, Lead the Way
This episode is a masterclass for any leader, inside or outside of education, who wants to build trust, foster meaningful collaboration, and lead lasting change.
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