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He Proved Inclusion Is Not About Diversity but Performance and Profit with Paolo Gaudiano
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In this episode of Built for This Podcast: Stories of a Maverick, host Jenna Bayuk speaks with Paolo Gaudiano, the Founder and Chief Scientist at Aleria and author of Measuring Inclusion. Paolo, an aerospace engineer turned DEI (Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion) expert, shares his journey from academia to entrepreneurship. He discusses how his background in aerospace engineering and neuroscience helped shape his approach to diversity and inclusion, using a data-driven model to tackle DEI issues in the workplace. Through his work, Paolo is helping companies shift from traditional DEI practices to more quantitative and actionable methods. In this episode, we explore his unique perspective on measuring inclusion, improving organizational behavior, and fostering a more inclusive, performance-driven workplace.
Key Takeaways:
Diversity vs. Inclusion: Focus on how individuals are treated based on identity traits, not just diversity metrics.
Quantitative DEI: Use data-driven tools to gain insights into employee experiences and improve inclusion.
Meritocracy & Inclusion: Recognize flaws in meritocracy and focus on fair employee evaluations beyond surface-level metrics.
Impact on Business: Diversity and inclusion enhance business performance, satisfaction, and retention.
AI & Simulation: Leverage AI to predict and measure the impact of diversity initiatives on organizational performance.
Noteworthy Quotes:
“The problem is not diversity alone; it’s understanding the day-to-day experiences of employees and how they are impacted by their identity traits.” – Paolo Gaudiano
“Meritocracy without measurement is just an ideology.” – Paolo Gaudiano
“Inclusion is invisible. We often don’t notice when things are going well, but exclusion is very visible and damaging.” – Paolo Gaudiano
“Organizations often fail to realize that their most valuable asset—human capital is being undermined by exclusion.” – Paolo Gaudiano
Key Timestamps:
[00:00:00] Trailer & Introduction to Paolo Gaudiano
[00:01:11] Paolo’s Background: From Aerospace Engineering to DEI
[00:05:17] The Role of Analytics in Measuring Inclusion
[00:10:03] The Problems with Traditional DEI Metrics
[00:13:50] How Inclusion Affects Company Performance and Retention
[00:19:20] Understanding the Impact of Diversity on Employee Satisfaction
[00:24:00] AI and Simulations in DEI Work
[00:28:45] Why Traditional Meritocracy is Not the Solution
[00:33:12] Creating a More Inclusive and Performance-Oriented Workplace
[00:40:20] What Leaders Need to Understand About DEI
[01:13:30] Paolo’s Vision for the Future of DEI and Workplace Inclusion
FOLLOW OUR GUEST PAOLO GAUDIANO ON:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pgaudiano/
Website: https://www.aleria.tech/paolo-gaudiano
Book: measuringinclusion.com/book
TED talks: go.ted.com/paologaudiano
Annual D&I Research Conference: https://dirc.info/
FOLLOW OUR HOST JENNA BAYUK ON:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jennabayuk/
Website: https://kinshipkollective.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jenna_bayuk/
Email: [email protected]
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