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20250815 - AI ‘chain of thought’ still just a ‘brittle mirage’

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a marketing lie from marketing liars Text version: https://pivot-to-ai.com/2025/08/15/ai-chain-of-thought-is-still-just-a-brittle-mirage/

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Is Chain-of-Thought Reasoning of LLMs a Mirage? A Data Distribution Lens (PDF) https://arxiv.org/pdf/2508.01191 Learning to reason with LLMs: Hiding the Chains of Thought https://openai.com/index/learning-to-reason-with-llms/#hiding-the-chains-of-thought

Previously on Pivot to AI:

OpenAI does not want you delving into o1 Strawberry’s alleged ‘chain of thought’ https://pivot-to-ai.com/2024/09/17/openai-does-not-want-you-delving-into-o1-strawberrys-alleged-chain-of-thought/ LLMs can’t reason — they just crib reasoning-like steps from their training data https://pivot-to-ai.com/2024/10/13/llms-cant-reason-they-just-crib-reasoning-like-steps-from-their-training-data/ Apple: ‘Reasoning’ AIs fail hard if they actually have to think https://pivot-to-ai.com/2025/06/08/apple-reasoning-ais-fail-hard-if-they-actually-have-to-think/ video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSx9pI5so30&list=UU9rJrMVgcXTfa8xuMnbhAEA

Full Pivot to AI playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=UU9rJrMVgcXTfa8xuMnbhAEA

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Manage episode 500500663 series 3662020
Content provided by David Gerard. All podcast content including episodes, graphics, and podcast descriptions are uploaded and provided directly by David Gerard or their podcast platform partner. If you believe someone is using your copyrighted work without your permission, you can follow the process outlined here https://ppacc.player.fm/legal.

a marketing lie from marketing liars Text version: https://pivot-to-ai.com/2025/08/15/ai-chain-of-thought-is-still-just-a-brittle-mirage/

Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/davidgerard Ko-Fi: https://ko-fi.com/A1529D5 Buy me nice things: https://www.amazon.co.uk/hz/wishlist/ls/3Q8VZW46J6DM6 REDBUBBLE SALE, 25% OFF TODAY: https://pivot-to-ai.redbubble.com

Sources:

Is Chain-of-Thought Reasoning of LLMs a Mirage? A Data Distribution Lens (PDF) https://arxiv.org/pdf/2508.01191 Learning to reason with LLMs: Hiding the Chains of Thought https://openai.com/index/learning-to-reason-with-llms/#hiding-the-chains-of-thought

Previously on Pivot to AI:

OpenAI does not want you delving into o1 Strawberry’s alleged ‘chain of thought’ https://pivot-to-ai.com/2024/09/17/openai-does-not-want-you-delving-into-o1-strawberrys-alleged-chain-of-thought/ LLMs can’t reason — they just crib reasoning-like steps from their training data https://pivot-to-ai.com/2024/10/13/llms-cant-reason-they-just-crib-reasoning-like-steps-from-their-training-data/ Apple: ‘Reasoning’ AIs fail hard if they actually have to think https://pivot-to-ai.com/2025/06/08/apple-reasoning-ais-fail-hard-if-they-actually-have-to-think/ video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSx9pI5so30&list=UU9rJrMVgcXTfa8xuMnbhAEA

Full Pivot to AI playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=UU9rJrMVgcXTfa8xuMnbhAEA

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