Disspelling the Myths and Correcting the Record About Haitian Migrants: A Conversation with Human Rights Activists Gabrielle Apollon and Pooja Bhatia

Speaking Out of Place

Today I speak with Gabrielle Apollon and Pooja Bhatia about the histories behind the persecution of Haitian migrants in Springfield, Ohio, and beyond. Targeted as exemplary “bad people” by demagogue Donald Trump, the stories of both the town and the people of Springfield are brought forward by Pooja Bhatia, who lived both in Haiti and as a journalist lived with the people in Springfield. Complementing Bhatia’s local stories of migrants, we have Gabrielle Apollon of the Global Justice Clinic, who tells of the complex “push” factors that drive Haitians from their homeland. We end on a hopeful note—showing how instances of transnational solidarity have succeeded where governments and international governmental bodies have failed.

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Gabrielle Apollon is the Director of the Haitian Immigrant Rights project at NYU Law's Global Justice Clinic. She also coordinates the Hemispheric Network for Haitian Migrants' Rights, a coalition of Haitian activists, lawyers, and leaders, collaborating to combat the anti-Black racism, exclusion and cyclical displacement Haitians have faced as they’ve migrated throughout the Western Hemisphere. Gabrielle previously served as Managing Attorney at The Door: A Center for Alternatives, where she represented young people in immigration and family law matters. She holds a Bachelor of Arts and a Master of International Affairs from Columbia University, as well as a law degree from NYU School of Law.

Pooja Bhatia is an U.S. writer, editor and teacher who has reported on Haiti and Haitian immigrants for more than 15 years. She lived in Haiti from 2007 to 2011 and speaks Kreyòl. Her work has been published in a variety of outlets, including The London Review of Books, The Baffler, The New York Review of Books, The New York Times and The Economist, where she was Haiti correspondent from 2010-2013. A former human rights lawyer, Pooja teaches with the University Network for Human Rights, and is working on a novel.