Beyond Outrage and Misperceptions: Building the Muscles for Democracy (with More In Common's Kate Carney)

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Many of us are entering the new year with a similar goal — to build community and connect more with others. To kick off season five, Priya Parker shares ideas on how to be the host with the most. An expert on building connection, Priya is the author of “The Art of Gathering: How We Meet and Why It Matters.” Whether it's a book club, wedding, birthday or niche-and-obscurely themed party, Priya and Chris talk about how to create meaningful and fun experiences for all of your guests — including yourself. For the full text transcript, visit go.ted.com/BHTranscripts . For the full text transcript, visit go.ted.com/BHTranscripts Want to help shape TED’s shows going forward? Fill out our survey here ! Learn more about TED Next at ted.com/futureyou Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.…

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What's Discussed:

Why social connection is critical to healthy democracy.
Surprising data on Americans’ openness to diverse perspectives.
How psychological factors like intergroup anxiety impact connection.
Kate’s transformative journey completing the Great American Loop.
Real-world solutions for bridging divides in your own community.

Episode Highlights:

02:00 – Kate’s 6,000-mile boat journey and what it taught her about America.
10:00 – The Connection Opportunity: How More in Common is reframing social cohesion.
21:00 – Why politics remains the most difficult line of difference to cross.
25:00 – The power of community norms and intergroup anxiety.
32:00 – Revisiting the "Hidden Tribes" report and what’s changed since its release.
41:00 – The seven levers of change for increasing social connection.
48:00 – How cities like Kansas City, Houston and Pittsburgh are fostering community dialogue.
54:00 – Personal agency and why democracy starts with you.

Featured Quotes:
“We are inherently diverse. To build strong communities, we have to be intentional about connecting across our differences.” — Kate Carney
“The more people connect across difference, the more they want to—it’s a cascade.” — Kate Carney
“There’s an overwhelming desire to have these conversations. It’s the fortress of assumptions that gets in our way.” — Corey Nathan

Resources Mentioned:

More in Common: www.moreincommonus.com
The Connection Opportunity Report: moreincommonus.com/publication/the-connection-opportunity

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Beyond Outrage and Misperceptions: Building the Muscles for Democracy (with More In Common's Kate Carney)

Talkin‘ Politics & Religion Without Killin‘ Each Other

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published about a year ago

MP3•Episode home

What's Discussed:

Why social connection is critical to healthy democracy.
Surprising data on Americans’ openness to diverse perspectives.
How psychological factors like intergroup anxiety impact connection.
Kate’s transformative journey completing the Great American Loop.
Real-world solutions for bridging divides in your own community.

Episode Highlights:

02:00 – Kate’s 6,000-mile boat journey and what it taught her about America.
10:00 – The Connection Opportunity: How More in Common is reframing social cohesion.
21:00 – Why politics remains the most difficult line of difference to cross.
25:00 – The power of community norms and intergroup anxiety.
32:00 – Revisiting the "Hidden Tribes" report and what’s changed since its release.
41:00 – The seven levers of change for increasing social connection.
48:00 – How cities like Kansas City, Houston and Pittsburgh are fostering community dialogue.
54:00 – Personal agency and why democracy starts with you.

Resources Mentioned:

More in Common: www.moreincommonus.com
The Connection Opportunity Report: moreincommonus.com/publication/the-connection-opportunity

📣 Call to Action:

🔗 Connect on Social Media

@coreysnathan:

Our Sponsors:

Meza Wealth Management: www.mezawealth.com
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Muster Your Courage & Heal Our Civic Square with Liz Joyner, Founder and President of The Village Square 1:18:00

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In this episode, host Corey Nathan welcomes Liz Joyner, founder and president of The Village Square, a civic organization dedicated to bridging divides and fostering dialogue across political and cultural lines. Liz shares the story behind founding The Village Square, her passion for preserving democratic values, and her experience navigating political polarization with grace, humor, and tenacity. As dear friends and collaborators, Corey and Liz offer listeners a heartfelt and insightful conversation about the importance of disagreement, empathy, and genuine connection. What You Will Learn: How Liz Joyner built The Village Square to combat political divisiveness The power of human connection and shared experiences in fostering civic trust Key strategies for having meaningful conversations across ideological divides Why now is a pivotal moment for preserving democracy and civil discourse How personal stories and experiences shape our political views and actions Episode Highlights: [00:01:00] Introduction to Liz Joyner and her work with The Village Square [00:06:00] Reflecting on her family’s military background and public service [00:13:00] The key question: How can we engage across our differences? [00:22:00] The role of The Village Square’s God Squad in promoting interfaith dialogue [00:31:00] The psychological roots of tribalism and political polarization [00:50:00] The threat to public humanities and the importance of civic institutions [01:00:00] Liz’s favorite spot in D.C. and its symbolic value for democracy Featured Quotes: “We just need to do it. Reach out. Make the call. Share a meal. Be human.” “When we see others up close, we see their good intentions. That’s where empathy begins.” “Disagreement, done well, is the genius behind our democracy.” “The genius of our system is that it relies on heterogeneity—on us learning from each other.” Resources Mentioned: The Village Square: villagesquare.us The Constitution of Knowledge by Jonathan Rauch: www.brookings.edu/books/the-constitution-of-knowledge Roger Herbert's Substack: https://rogerherbert.substack.com The National Portrait Gallery: https://npg.si.edu 📣 Call to Action: If you found this conversation insightful, please: ✅ Subscribe to Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other on your favorite podcast platform. ✅ Leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen: ratethispodcast.com/goodfaithpolitics ✅ Check out our substack: coreysnathan.substack.com ✅ Watch the full conversation and subscribe on YouTube: youtube.com/@politicsandreligion 🔗 Connect on Social Media: It's @coreysnathan on... Bluesky LinkedIn Instagram Threads Facebook Substack Our Sponsors: Meza Wealth Management: www.mezawealth.com Prolux Autogroup: www.proluxautogroup.com or www.granadahillsairporttransportation.com Let’s keep talkin' politics and religion—with gentleness and respect. 🎙️💡…

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Kamy Akhavan on What's Actually Happening in Los Angeles, the Root Causes, and Bridging Our Divides 1:32:36

5 days ago1:32:36

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In this episode, host Corey Nathan welcomes Kamy Akhavan, Executive Director at the USC Dornsife Center for the Political Future and former CEO of ProCon.org. Kamy shares his extraordinary journey from war-torn Iran to becoming a champion of civil discourse and political bridge-building in the United States. What We Discuss: Kamy’s powerful immigration story and personal connection to today’s immigration challenges What's actually happening in Los Angeles vs what many news programs are showing How debate and listening helped shape Kamy’s open-minded leadership The mission of USC’s Center for the Political Future and its bipartisan impact The root causes of polarization and how we can counteract them Why respect, listening, and humility are foundational for meaningful dialogue Episode Highlights: [00:01:00] Kamy’s homage to Parliament Funkadelic and Sly Stone [00:06:00] Living through war in Iran and escaping with his family [00:14:00] Adjusting to poverty in Louisiana and finding strength in education [00:18:00] Discovering a passion for political discourse through debate [00:27:00] Leaving management consulting to lead ProCon.org [00:30:00] Kamy's role at USC’s Center for the Political Future [00:39:00] Building a culture where tough conversations can happen respectfully [00:55:00] A deeper look into today’s immigration debates and polarization Featured Quotes: "Every person you meet knows more than you do about something. If you approach with humility, every conversation becomes a chance to learn." — Kamy Akhavan "If you really want to be a powerful advocate for your cause, the best tool you have isn’t your mouth—it’s your ears." — Kamy Akhavan "We all inherit democracy. And that inheritance is a gift many have died for." — Kamy Akhavan Resources Mentioned: USC Dornsife Center for the Political Future: https://dornsife-center-for-political-future.usc.edu/ ProCon.org: https://www.procon.org/ The Democracy Group: https://www.democracygroup.org/ 📣 Call to Action: If you found this conversation insightful, please: ✅ Subscribe to Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other on your favorite podcast platform. ✅ Leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen: ratethispodcast.com/goodfaithpolitics ✅ Check out our substack: coreysnathan.substack.com ✅ Watch the full conversation and subscribe on YouTube: youtube.com/@politicsandreligion 🔗 Connect on Social Media: It's @coreysnathan on... Bluesky LinkedIn Instagram Threads Facebook Substack Our Sponsors: Meza Wealth Management: www.mezawealth.com Prolux Autogroup: www.proluxautogroup.com or www.granadahillsairporttransportation.com Let’s keep talkin' politics and religion—with gentleness and respect. 🎙️💡…

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Andrew Heaton: Tribalism Is Dumb – Why We're Hardwired for Division & How to Cope 1:33:11

8 days ago1:33:11

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In this insightful and often humorous episode, host Corey Nathan welcomes political satirist, author, and podcast host Andrew Heaton for a wide-ranging conversation about his latest book, Tribalism Is Dumb . Heaton, known for his podcast The Political Orphanage , brings his signature blend of wit, intellect, and candor to explore why politics has become so viciously tribal—and how we can fix it. Drawing from personal stories, deep research, and evolutionary psychology, Heaton discusses the roots of human division, the impact of media and technology, and the path to a more thoughtful public discourse. What We Discuss: Why tribalism is hardwired into human nature—and how it gets misapplied in modern politics How Heaton’s upbringing influenced his commitment to civility and intellectual rigor The role of media, social media, and political leadership in fostering division Practical tools for having productive, respectful political conversations What we can do—personally and societally—to resist toxic partisanship Episode Highlights: [00:01:00] Intro to Andrew Heaton and his new book [00:02:30] The story behind the dedication to Heaton’s father [00:06:45] Heaton’s early political influences [00:10:15] How Heaton preps for his many podcasts [00:21:00] The evolutionary roots of tribalism [00:34:00] Protestant vs. Catholic soccer rivalry in Scotland [00:36:30] What changed in the last few decades [00:55:00] Tools for better political conversations Featured Quotes: "There are lots of people that we share this country with that are good and intelligent people. The fact that we disagree with them is not a negation of their humanity." – Andrew Heaton "The need for an enemy precipitates the existence of the enemy." – Andrew Heaton "Tribalism is not just about community. It’s about the reflexive urge to find a ‘them’ to define the ‘us.’" – Andrew Heaton "I just try to remember: we’re not arguing about whether you're a good person. I already believe you are." – Andrew Heaton Resources Mentioned: The Political Orphanage podcast: https://mightyheaton.com/the-political-orphanage Tribalism Is Dumb by Andrew Heaton: https://mightyheaton.com/books Bowling Alone by Robert Putnam: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Bowling-Alone/Robert-D-Putnam/9780743203043 How to Have Impossible Conversations by Peter Boghossian: https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/peter-boghossian/how-to-have-impossible-conversations/9780738285344/ 📣 Call to Action: If you found this conversation insightful, please: ✅ Subscribe to Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other on your favorite podcast platform. ✅ Leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen: ratethispodcast.com/goodfaithpolitics ✅ Check out our substack: coreysnathan.substack.com ✅ Watch the full conversation and subscribe on YouTube: youtube.com/@politicsandreligion 🔗 Connect on Social Media: It's @coreysnathan on... Bluesky LinkedIn Instagram Threads Facebook Substack Our Sponsors: Meza Wealth Management: www.mezawealth.com Prolux Autogroup: www.proluxautogroup.com or www.granadahillsairporttransportation.com Let’s keep talkin' politics and religion—with gentleness and respect. 🎙️💡…

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Dialogue Killers Revealed: Beat Ad Hominem & Proxies to Reclaim Civil Political Talk 35:36

11 days ago35:36

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In this edition, host Corey Nathan dives into two behaviors that shut down meaningful dialogue before it even starts: ad hominem attacks and treating individuals as proxies for groups. Drawing from real-life interactions and candid personal stories, Corey illustrates why civil discourse matters now more than ever. What Is Discussed: Why personal attacks destroy productive dialogue How assuming people represent an entire group harms mutual understanding Strategies for better conversations: passive, defensive, and proactive Why labels and assumptions often miss the mark The power of treating others as individuals with unique stories Episode Highlights: 1:00 – Defining the two dialogue killers: ad hominem and proxy labeling 2:00 – A local mayor faces national-level hostility in small-town politics 4:00 – A neighborly disagreement about family farms shows how it can be done right 5:00 – Corey’s impassioned reaction to toxic comments and attacks 10:00 – When people are reduced to stand-ins for political ideologies 14:00 – Facebook comments spiral as users resort to vilifying each other 19:00 – Setting realistic expectations when engaging across divides 27:00 – “I will not defend positions I don’t hold”—drawing healthy boundaries 30:00 – Lessons from the fight for marriage equality: changing hearts through human connection 33:00 – Passive, defensive, and proactive strategies to communicate better Featured Quotes: “People are people—not proxies...” “I will not defend positions that I don’t hold.” “You’re not talking to ‘them,’ you’re talking to me.” “Go talk some politics and religion with gentleness and respect.” 📣 Call to Action: If you found this conversation insightful, please: ✅ Subscribe to Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other on your favorite podcast platform. ✅ Leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen: ratethispodcast.com/goodfaithpolitics ✅ Check out our substack: coreysnathan.substack.com ✅ Watch the full conversation and subscribe on YouTube: youtube.com/@politicsandreligion 🔗 Connect on Social Media: It's @coreysnathan on... Bluesky LinkedIn Instagram Threads Facebook Substack Our Sponsors: Meza Wealth Management: www.mezawealth.com Prolux Autogroup: www.proluxautogroup.com or www.granadahillsairporttransportation.com Let’s keep talkin' politics and religion—with gentleness and respect. 🎙️💡…

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Bishop Mary D. Glasspool, Trailblazing Leader in the Episcopal Church, on Challenging Tradition and Navigating Faith 1:11:36

15 days ago1:11:36

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In this inspiring episode, host Corey Nathan welcomes Bishop Mary D. Glasspool, a pioneering leader in the Episcopal Church and the first openly lesbian woman to be consecrated as a bishop in the Anglican Communion. Since 2016, she has served as Assistant Bishop in the Episcopal Diocese of New York. Bishop Mary shares her personal journey of faith, identity, leadership, and inclusion, offering insights into navigating the intersections of religion, politics, and justice. What We Discuss: Bishop Mary’s journey as a trailblazer in the Episcopal Church How her faith and identity evolved in tandem What the Philadelphia 11 meant to her and the church Navigating hard conversations across deep differences What gives her hope for the future of the church and the world Episode Highlights: 01:00 – Corey introduces Bishop Mary and her groundbreaking role 06:00 – Growing up in a multigenerational Episcopal family 17:00 – The impact of the Philadelphia 11 and her call to ministry 27:00 – Coming out and confronting institutional theology 34:00 – Stories of ministry, mentorship, and pioneering women 43:00 – Navigating political division in local churches 50:00 – Her retirement plans and what’s next 1:02:00 – On non-binary thinking, listening deeply, and collaboration Featured Quotes: “We can do this. It is possible to talk politics and religion without killing each other.” “The best way to be ecumenical is to be deeply rooted and grounded in your own faith.” “Diversity is a strength… It can help us grow and become stronger as human beings.” “We need to allow for silence. We need to listen.” Resources Mentioned: The Philadelphia Eleven Documentary: https://www.philadelphiaelevenfilm.com The Episcopal Church: https://www.episcopalchurch.org 📣 Call to Action: If you found this conversation insightful, please: ✅ Subscribe to Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other on your favorite podcast platform. ✅ Leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen: ratethispodcast.com/goodfaithpolitics ✅ Check out our substack: coreysnathan.substack.com ✅ Watch the full conversation and subscribe on YouTube: youtube.com/@politicsandreligion 🔗 Connect on Social Media: It's @coreysnathan on... Bluesky LinkedIn Instagram Threads Facebook Substack Our Sponsors: Meza Wealth Management: www.mezawealth.com Prolux Autogroup: www.proluxautogroup.com or www.granadahillsairporttransportation.com Let’s keep talkin' politics and religion—with gentleness and respect. 🎙️💡…

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Reasoned Humility: Pastor David Hegg on Theology, Differences, and Engaging Culture 1:11:26

20 days ago1:11:26

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In this episode, host Corey Nathan is joined by Pastor David Hegg, Senior Pastor at Grace Baptist Church in Santa Clarita, CA. With decades of experience, a master’s in theology, and a doctorate in preaching, Pastor Hegg shares his unique journey into ministry, his thoughts on biblical teaching, and how Christians can faithfully navigate today’s cultural and political landscape. What We Discuss: How Pastor Hegg's early struggles shaped his path in ministry The importance of preaching Scripture as it was originally written A biblical approach to Christian leadership and cultural engagement Insights into the role of conscience in political decision-making Why “reasoned humility” is essential for healthy public discourse Episode Highlights: 00:04:00 – From mowing the church lawn to pastoring a large congregation 00:10:00 – Disputes over doctrine: seminary conflict and church governance 00:19:00 – Faith vs. science: Genesis, creationism, and biblical authority 00:25:00 – Why many pastors feel exhausted, and how to sustain ministry 00:30:00 – Handling political pressure and cultural division during COVID 00:36:00 – Engaging LGBTQ+ individuals with truth and grace 00:43:00 – What it means to “withdraw” from politics without disengaging 00:54:00 – Preview of Pastor Hegg’s upcoming books and a theological novel Featured Quotes: “What God has for us is always best for us.” – Pastor David Hegg “We must hold our beliefs with reasoned humility.” “You can’t come to any text without a framework, but you must be willing to reform that framework based on Scripture.” “We don’t throw darts—we meet people where they are and walk with them.” Resources Mentioned: Grace Baptist Church: gracebaptist.org The Obedience Option : www.amazon.com/s?k=The+Obedience+Option+David+Hegg The Well : https://www.amazon.com/s?k=The+Well+David+Hegg Mind & Cosmos by Thomas Nagel: www.goodreads.com/book/show/13690432-mind-cosmos 📣 Call to Action: If you found this conversation insightful, please: ✅ Subscribe to Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other on your favorite podcast platform. ✅ Leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen: ratethispodcast.com/goodfaithpolitics ✅ Check out our substack: coreysnathan.substack.com ✅ Watch the full conversation and subscribe on YouTube: youtube.com/@politicsandreligion 🔗 Connect on Social Media It's @coreysnathan on... Bluesky LinkedIn Instagram Threads Facebook Substack Our Sponsors: Meza Wealth Management: www.mezawealth.com Prolux Autogroup: www.proluxautogroup.com or www.granadahillsairporttransportation.com Let’s keep talkin' politics and religion—with gentleness and respect. 🎙️💡…

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(ICYMI) Sussing out Excellent Journalism from All the Crap with Julie Mason, SiriusXM Radio Host and Former White House Reporter 59:36

22 days ago59:36

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“You’ve got to be willing to kick your sources right in the balls if necessary, even if they’re your friends.” Julie Mason came up the ranks at regional newspapers before becoming a White House reporter. On her SiriusXM radio show, you can tell how much she loves and champions good reporters and reveres excellent journalism. And that's one of the many reasons we love Julie Mason! So we're re-booting our most recent conversation with Julie from earlier this year... In this episode, host Corey Nathan reconnects with Julie Mason, renowned journalist and host of The Julie Mason Show on SiriusXM’s POTUS channel. Julie brings decades of experience in journalism, spanning local, state, and national politics, and shares her sharp insights on the evolving media landscape, political discourse, and the state of journalism today. What We Discuss: The evolving role of journalists in a polarized media environment. How to navigate news consumption and discern credible sources. Insights into the challenges of covering politicians and divisive topics. The growing intersection between social media platforms and journalism. Why re-engaging with quality news content is critical to democracy. Mike Pence: The King of Hilarity... Wait. WHAT?!?! No, really Episode Highlights: [00:00:00] – Corey welcomes Julie back to the podcast after four years and reflects on her journey in journalism, from print reporting to hosting her SiriusXM show. [00:09:00] – Julie explains how she transitioned from print to radio and why she took the leap into the unfamiliar world of broadcasting. [00:20:00] – The challenges of modern journalism: Julie addresses disinformation, lies in politics, and why reporters must focus on stories that truly impact people’s lives. [00:27:00] – A discussion on how journalism is evolving to meet the needs of a fatigued audience, from long-form storytelling to true crime podcasts. [00:40:00] – Julie emphasizes the importance of journalists remaining stoic and professional, especially during major historical events like January 6th. [00:47:00] – Corey and Julie explore ways to have constructive conversations with people across ideological divides, drawing inspiration from bipartisan efforts in Congress. [00:55:00] – Julie’s call to action: Why supporting quality journalism through subscriptions and active engagement matters more than ever. Featured Quotes: “You’ve got to be willing to kick your sources right in the balls if necessary, even if they’re your friends.” “Politician lied is not really the story—focus on what impacts people’s lives.” “To have meaningful conversations, you have to put down your weapons and see the humanity in the other person.” Resources Mentioned: The Julie Mason Show on SiriusXM’s POTUS Channel – www.siriusxm.com/channels/potus-politics Substack Recommendations: The Great Transformation with Mike Madrid Tom LoBianco’s 24Sight Oliver Darcy’s Substack The Contrarian by Jennifer Rubin and Laurence Tribe Dirty John Podcast – Listen Here 📣 Call to Action: If you found this conversation insightful, please: ✅ Subscribe to Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other on your favorite podcast platform. ✅ Leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen: ratethispodcast.com/goodfaithpolitics ✅ Check out our substack: coreysnathan.substack.com ✅ Watch the full conversation and subscribe on YouTube: youtube.com/@politicsandreligion 🔗 Connect on Social Media It's @coreysnathan on... Bluesky LinkedIn Instagram Threads Facebook Substack @julesdc Facebook Our Sponsors: Meza Wealth Management: www.mezawealth.com Prolux Autogroup: www.proluxautogroup.com or www.granadahillsairporttransportation.com Let’s keep talkin' politics and religion—with gentleness and respect. 🎙️💡…

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ICYMI - Wajahat Ali: Navigating Chaos and Divisiveness with Hope and Humanity 1:04:36

26 days ago1:04:36

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A lot's happened already this year. So it's worth re-setting this conversation with friend of the pod, Wajahat Ali, from earlier this year... When there's such chaos amd divisiveness all around us, what can we do to cultivate a sense of hope and humanity? In this episode, we welcome back Wajahat Ali, celebrated writer, editor of The Left Hook Substack, co-host of Democracy-ish Podcast , and author. Known for his humor and insight, Waj brings his unique perspective as a father, storyteller, and political commentator to discuss navigating the tumultuous political and social landscape of 2025. Together, Corey and Wajahat dive deep into themes of decency, empathy, and how to cultivate hope amid chaos. Episode Highlights: [00:02:00] Wajahat muses about earning a "Five Timer Club" t-shirt. [00:04:00] Discussion on the California wildfires and the politicization of natural disasters. [00:06:00] Wajahat analyzes the blame game targeting DEI initiatives in crisis situations. [00:09:00] Corey and Wajahat explore the role of empathy and decency in politics. [00:11:00] Wajahat reflects on hope during his daughter’s cancer journey and how that translates to political resilience. [00:16:00] Star Wars analogy: How everyday people (the "Ewoks") can fight against authoritarianism. [00:22:00] A candid discussion on America's historical resistance to progress and how that impacts the current political climate. [00:35:00] The importance of rest and joy in sustaining activism and engagement. [00:54:00] Wajahat’s advice on engaging with people across ideological divides—when to plant seeds of change and when to walk away. Featured Quotes: "Hope is optimism with action. It's believing in a better story but doing your part to get there." – Wajahat Ali "You can't save everyone. The caravan must move forward, but the doors remain open." – Wajahat Ali "We could have been so much better, and we chose this." – Wajahat Ali "One conversation with one person can create a ripple effect. Even a one-degree shift can matter." – Corey Nathan How to find Waj: The Left Hook | https://thelefthook.substack.com/ Democracy-ish | https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/democracy-ish/id1473376303 Bluesky | https://bsky.app/profile/wajali.bsky.social 📣 Call to Action: If you found this conversation insightful, please: ✅ Subscribe to Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other on your favorite podcast platform. ✅ Leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen: ratethispodcast.com/goodfaithpolitics ✅ Check out our substack: coreysnathan.substack.com ✅ Watch the full conversation and subscribe on YouTube: youtube.com/@politicsandreligion 🔗 Connect on Social Media It's @coreysnathan on... Bluesky LinkedIn Instagram Threads Facebook Substack Our Sponsors: Meza Wealth Management: www.mezawealth.com Prolux Autogroup: www.proluxautogroup.com or www.granadahillsairporttransportation.com Let’s keep talkin' politics and religion—with gentleness and respect. 🎙️💡…

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Standing with Ukraine: Alexander Vindman on U.S. Foreign Policy, Putin’s Threat, and the Folly of Trumpism 1:17:26

4 weeks ago1:17:26

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In this episode, we welcome back Dr. Alexander Vindman—retired U.S. Army Lieutenant Colonel and former Director for European Affairs on the White House National Security Council. Known for his key role in the first Trump impeachment and his deep expertise in Eastern European affairs, Vindman returns to discuss his latest book, The Folly of Realism: How the West Deceived Itself About Russia and Betrayed Ukraine . The conversation dives into the geopolitical stakes of the ongoing war in Ukraine, U.S. foreign policy across administrations, and the importance of civic responsibility in the face of authoritarianism. What We Discuss: Why U.S. administrations consistently misunderstood Russia and Ukraine. The concept of “Neo-Idealism” and its value in foreign policy. How family history and personal experience shaped Vindman’s worldview. The political realities facing Ukraine and the U.S. in a post-Trump world. The role of values in sustaining democratic institutions. Episode Highlights: [00:01:00] Introduction to Alexander Vindman and his background. [00:04:30] Alex's twin brother Eugene Vindman’s transition to Congress and bipartisan cooperation. [00:17:00] Reconnecting with family in Ukraine and the impact of history. [00:25:00] The thousand-year struggle for Ukrainian sovereignty. [00:38:00] Why equating Russia with Cold War power is misguided. [00:44:30] Vindman defines “Neo-Idealism” and its global implications. [01:00:00] The danger of Trumpism and dismantling of democratic norms. [01:07:00] How we can engage across political and cultural divides. Featured Quotes: “Russia, absent Ukraine, ceases to be an empire. With Ukraine, it becomes one.” – Alexander Vindman “Neo-Idealism is about tethering our interests to our values and committing to them over the long term.” – Alexander Vindman “We succumbed to misplaced hopes and fears. We thought if we treated Russia as a partner, it would behave like one.” – Alexander Vindman “You can find common ground by talking about family. That’s where our shared concerns lie.” – Alexander Vindman Resources Mentioned: The Folly of Realism – www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/alexander-vindman/the-folly-of-realism/9781541705043 Alexander Vindman’s Substack – www.avindman.com Alexander Vindman on Bluesky - @avindman.bsky.social 📣 Call to Action: If you found this conversation insightful, please: ✅ Subscribe to Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other on your favorite podcast platform. ✅ Leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen: ratethispodcast.com/goodfaithpolitics ✅ Check out our substack: coreysnathan.substack.com ✅ Watch the full conversation and subscribe on YouTube: youtube.com/@politicsandreligion 🔗 Connect on Social Media It's @coreysnathan on... Bluesky LinkedIn Instagram Threads Facebook Substack Our Sponsors: Meza Wealth Management: www.mezawealth.com Prolux Autogroup: www.proluxautogroup.com or www.granadahillsairporttransportation.com Let’s keep talkin' politics and religion—with gentleness and respect. 🎙️💡…

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Stop Toxic Partisanship (Doing Our Part): Finding Humanity in Polarized Politics & Religion 51:54

5 weeks ago51:54

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In this episode, host Corey Nathan reflects on a pivotal shift in direction for the podcast. The solo episodes of “Talkin’ Politics & Religion Without Killin’ Each Other” will be moving toward a more practical focus—answering the question of how we engage in tough conversations about politics and religion in more productive, neighborly, human ways. Drawing from years of interviews, personal experiences, and lively social media debates, Corey opens up about the challenges and tools needed to bridge our deepest divides. What's Discussed: Why Corey is focusing more on how we talk about politics and religion, not just what we talk about The role of "epistemic bubbles" and "informational universes" in shaping our perspectives Tools and strategies for engaging across political and religious differences How grace, curiosity, and relationship-building can change the tone of even the toughest conversations Real-life examples from Corey’s online and offline experiences—including some Facebook showdowns! Episode Highlights: [00:02:00] Corey announces a new focus on practical tools for civil dialogue [00:06:00] The concept of “epistemic ecosystems” and how they isolate us [00:10:00] Why you can’t “convert” someone in one conversation—but you can plant seeds [00:13:00] Mike Madrid: “Effective communication across bubbles requires more than simply correcting facts...” [00:17:00] A quote from the Constitution sparks a wild Facebook debate [00:24:00] From “literate idiots” to neighbors with nuance—Corey breaks down who shows up online [00:32:00] How to actively listen, lead with curiosity, and find the serious point in a noisy thread [00:45:00] Tips on when to pick your spot, take it offline, or simply walk away Featured Quotes: “Sometimes you can’t teach someone a new language—but you can give them a few new words.” “Give yourself grace. You’re going to mess it up. But keep showing up.” “Effective communication across bubbles requires more than simply correcting facts. It demands engaging underlying values and concerns.” Resources Mentioned: Mike Madrid’s Substack - The Great Transformation: greattransformation.substack.com Tangle News: www.readtangle.com Ground News: ground.news Village SquareCast: podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/village-squarecast/id1520059234 📣 Call to Action: If you found this conversation insightful, please: ✅ Subscribe to Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other on your favorite podcast platform. ✅ Leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen: ratethispodcast.com/goodfaithpolitics ✅ Check out our substack: coreysnathan.substack.com ✅ Watch the full conversation and subscribe on YouTube: youtube.com/@politicsandreligion 🔗 Connect on Social Media It's @coreysnathan on... Bluesky LinkedIn Instagram Threads Facebook Substack Our Sponsors: Meza Wealth Management: www.mezawealth.com Prolux Autogroup: www.proluxautogroup.com or www.granadahillsairporttransportation.com Let’s keep talkin' politics and religion—with gentleness and respect. 🎙️💡…

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Serene Jones on Grace, Grit, and God: How Faith Can Heal a Fractured Democracy 1:04:18

5 weeks ago1:04:18

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In this episode, host Corey Nathan speaks with Rev. Dr. Serene Jones, President of Union Theological Seminary. As the first woman to lead the historic 180-year-old institution, Dr. Jones brings deep insight to the intersection of theology, justice, and public life. Together, they explore how Christian faith can guide us through trauma, division, and democracy’s challenges, while sharing stories of growing up in faith and creating space for conversations across political and religious divides. What We Discuss: How Serene Jones’ upbringing shaped her theological lens What theology has to do with democracy and justice Why questions are a sign of faith, not doubt The importance of building bridges, even when no one’s building from the other side How seminaries are evolving to meet the needs of a changing world Episode Highlights: [00:03:00] A unique faith upbringing in the Disciples of Christ tradition [00:07:00] Church as a place of learning about democracy, justice, and real life [00:13:00] The message of Micah 4 and how it resonates with global conflict today [00:27:00] The role of theology in shaping public ethics and spiritual resilience [00:39:00] Navigating campus dialogue during protests and unrest [00:44:00] Three calls for progressive communities in red states [00:51:00] Addressing collective and generational trauma through faith [00:53:00] Asking: What would Jesus do—really? Featured Quotes: “Faith that’s not equipped to deal with the big questions of life is not a faith worth its weight.” “If we are not building bridges, there’s no one there to catch people when they fall.” “Theology is not just an abstraction. It’s an action. It’s a way of living in the world.” “The crisis in our nation is a massive spiritual crisis—for all of us.” Resources Mentioned: Union Theological Seminary – utsnyc.edu Call It Grace by Serene Jones – www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/2146640/serene-jones/ 📣 Call to Action: If you found this conversation insightful, please: ✅ Subscribe to Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other on your favorite podcast platform. ✅ Leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen: ratethispodcast.com/goodfaithpolitics ✅ Support the show on Patreon: patreon.com/politicsandreligion ✅ Watch the full conversation and subscribe on YouTube: youtube.com/@politicsandreligion 🔗 Connect on Social Media @coreysnathan: Bluesky LinkedIn Instagram Threads Facebook Substack Our Sponsors: Meza Wealth Management: www.mezawealth.com Prolux Autogroup: www.proluxautogroup.com or www.granadahillsairporttransportation.com Let’s keep talkin' politics and religion—with gentleness and respect. 🎙️💡…

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From the Boardroom to Town Hall: Leading with Civility with Mayor Lisa Willey Knierim 1:05:18

6 weeks ago1:05:18

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In this episode, host Corey Nathan reconnects with Lisa Willey Knierim—Mayor of Cranbury Township, NJ, President of 1880 Hospitality, and high school pal. Lisa shares powerful insights into the realities of small-town governance, the impact of state housing mandates, and the ripple effects of national political discourse. From boardrooms to township meetings, she brings candor, civility, and a healthy dose of humor to the conversation. What We Discuss: How national political polarization affects small-town governments. What the Mount Laurel Doctrine means for affordable housing in NJ. The value of listening and transparency in political leadership. How Six Sigma strategies works in business—and public service. Real-world consequences of recent U.S. tariff policy from a global trade professional. Episode Highlights: [00:03:00] The structure of Cranbury’s local government and Lisa’s role as mayor [00:07:00] Breaking down the affordable housing mandate and land challenges [00:14:00] How partisan behavior has filtered into local meetings [00:24:00] Six Sigma in practice: business problem-solving that works [00:27:00] Why abrupt tariff policy changes hurt American businesses [00:34:00] Lisa’s close election win and continued work with her predecessor [00:45:00] Remembering the best of our communities post-pandemic [00:53:00] Lisa’s campaign to bring back civility in politics Featured Quotes: “At the local level, I wish I didn’t even have to declare my party. It feels absolutely irrelevant.” – Lisa Willey Knierim “You’ve got to create a vanilla ice cream environment—not too spicy. Be compassionate, be practical, be human.” “National-level problems shouldn’t be light-switch decisions.” “It’s not that I can’t solve the problem. But I can listen. That’s halfway there.” Resources Mentioned: Six Sigma Black Belt Certification: asq.org/cert/six-sigma-black-belt Cranbury Township Info: www.cranburytownship.org/ Lisa Willey Knierim Campaign Page: www.facebook.com/LisaKnierimTC22 📣 Call to Action: If you found this conversation insightful, please: ✅ Subscribe to Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other on your favorite podcast platform. ✅ Leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen: ratethispodcast.com/goodfaithpolitics ✅ Support the show on Patreon: patreon.com/politicsandreligion ✅ Watch the full conversation and subscribe on YouTube: youtube.com/@politicsandreligion 🔗 Connect on Social Media @coreysnathan: Bluesky LinkedIn Instagram Threads Facebook Substack Our Sponsors: Meza Wealth Management: www.mezawealth.com Prolux Autogroup: www.proluxautogroup.com or www.granadahillsairporttransportation.com Let’s keep talkin' politics and religion—with gentleness and respect. 🎙️💡…

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Beyond Outrage and Misperceptions: Building the Muscles for Democracy (with More In Common's Kate Carney) 1:04:54

6 weeks ago1:04:54

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In this episode, Corey Nathan sits down with Kate Carney, Deputy Director at More in Common. Kate shares her fascinating journey—from working in Congress to boating 6,000 miles around the U.S.—and how those experiences shape her work today. The conversation centers on More in Common’s new report, The Connection Opportunity , and explores how we can foster meaningful relationships across political, racial, religious, and socioeconomic divides. What's Discussed: Why social connection is critical to healthy democracy. Surprising data on Americans’ openness to diverse perspectives. How psychological factors like intergroup anxiety impact connection. Kate’s transformative journey completing the Great American Loop. Real-world solutions for bridging divides in your own community. Episode Highlights: 02:00 – Kate’s 6,000-mile boat journey and what it taught her about America. 10:00 – The Connection Opportunity: How More in Common is reframing social cohesion. 21:00 – Why politics remains the most difficult line of difference to cross. 25:00 – The power of community norms and intergroup anxiety. 32:00 – Revisiting the "Hidden Tribes" report and what’s changed since its release. 41:00 – The seven levers of change for increasing social connection. 48:00 – How cities like Kansas City, Houston and Pittsburgh are fostering community dialogue. 54:00 – Personal agency and why democracy starts with you. Featured Quotes: “We are inherently diverse. To build strong communities, we have to be intentional about connecting across our differences.” — Kate Carney “The more people connect across difference, the more they want to—it’s a cascade.” — Kate Carney “There’s an overwhelming desire to have these conversations. It’s the fortress of assumptions that gets in our way.” — Corey Nathan Resources Mentioned: More in Common: www.moreincommonus.com The Connection Opportunity Report: moreincommonus.com/publication/the-connection-opportunity 📣 Call to Action: If you found this conversation insightful, please: ✅ Subscribe to Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other on your favorite podcast platform. ✅ Leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen: ratethispodcast.com/goodfaithpolitics ✅ Support the show on Patreon: patreon.com/politicsandreligion ✅ Watch the full conversation and subscribe on YouTube: youtube.com/@politicsandreligion 🔗 Connect on Social Media @coreysnathan: Bluesky LinkedIn Instagram Threads Facebook Substack Our Sponsors: Meza Wealth Management: www.mezawealth.com Prolux Autogroup: www.proluxautogroup.com or www.granadahillsairporttransportation.com Let’s keep talkin' politics and religion—with gentleness and respect. 🎙️💡…

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Trump's Attack on Decency and Your Constitutional Rights: Why It's NOT Normal 40:54

7 weeks ago40:54

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In this episode, host Corey Nathan reflects on where we stand as a country several months into the current administration. With candor and conviction, Corey explores the themes of democracy, decency, and due process. Drawing from scripture, the Constitution, and commentary by thought leaders like David Brooks and Mike Madrid, this episode delivers a compelling, timely snapshot of America’s civic health—and what’s at stake moving forward. What's Discussed: Why the First, Fifth, and Fourteenth Amendments are more important than ever The consequences of immigration policies that bypass due process How the economy (including tariffs and inflation) is impacting voters What swayed key constituencies in the 2024 election What to watch for heading into 2026 and 2028 Episode Highlights: [00:02:00] Framing the episode: A “temperature check” on America [00:05:00] The First Amendment under threat [00:07:00] Due process and the constitutional rights of all persons [00:14:00] What really moved voters in 2024 (spoiler: price of eggs + immigration) [00:17:00] A powerful quote from David Brooks on civilizational foundations [00:22:00] Legal attacks and a defense of constitutional law [00:29:00] Polling data showing shifts in public opinion [00:34:00] Real-world impact on families, students, and small businesses Featured Quotes: “Nor shall any person be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law.” “Don’t talk to me about Donald Trump being a brilliant businessman—he’s a brilliant thief.” “For me, it’s about democracy and decency. Always has been.” Resources Mentioned: David Brooks: "What’s Happening Is Not Normal" (NYT) – www.nytimes.com/2025/04/17/opinion/trump-harvard-law-firms.html Adam Unikowsky on Substack – adamunikowsky.substack.com/p/the-case-for-suing Mike Madrid's Substack, The Great Transformation – substack.com/@madridmike 📣 Call to Action: If you found this conversation insightful, please: ✅ Subscribe to Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other on your favorite podcast platform. ✅ Leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen: ratethispodcast.com/goodfaithpolitics ✅ Support the show on Patreon: patreon.com/politicsandreligion ✅ Watch the full conversation and subscribe on YouTube: youtube.com/@politicsandreligion 🔗 Connect on Social Media @coreysnathan: Bluesky LinkedIn Instagram Threads Facebook Substack Our Sponsors: Meza Wealth Management: www.mezawealth.com Prolux Autogroup: www.proluxautogroup.com or www.granadahillsairporttransportation.com Let’s keep talkin' politics and religion—with gentleness and respect. 🎙️💡…

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E.J. Dionne: "Come, Let Us Reason Together" | Resisting Extremism and the Path to National Healing 1:19:18

7 weeks ago1:19:18