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The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source

We sit down with Scott Hanselman at Microsoft Build 2025 to discuss open sourcing all the things, cool stuff Windows can do, where we want (and don’t want) AI to fit into our lives, building arcade cabinets, and so much more.

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Featuring:

• Scott Hanselman – Website, GitHub, X
• Jerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X
• Adam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X

Show Notes:

• Keys Left?
• Scott Hanselman.com
• microsoft/winget-cli
• Cephable
• Pieces for Developers
• Arcade | Scott Hanselman’s Blog

Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

Chapters

1. Let's talk! (00:00:00)

2. Sponsor: Retool (00:00:38)

https://retool.com/changelog

3. Keystrokes & Friends (00:03:23)

https://keysleft.com/

4. On robot jobs (00:08:34)

5. Booking flights? (00:10:56)

6. Executive Agents (00:12:52)

7. The adoption spectrum (00:15:17)

8. Hanselman International (00:18:02)

9. Zhuzh it up! (00:19:58)

10. Microsoft lay-offs (00:21:54)

11. Startup within the machine (00:23:03)

12. Scott's career arc (00:24:01)

13. Open source? Yes, and (00:25:19)

14. WSL & Copilot extension (00:25:46)

15. The VS Code forks (00:27:14)

16. Open source everything (00:28:17)

17. Sponsor: Depot (00:29:02)

https://depot.dev

18. What's left to open source? (00:31:22)

19. Do you like Windows? (00:31:42)

20. Windows killed my pappy! (00:33:41)

21. Touring Windows (00:35:25)

22. CPU, GPU, NPU (00:38:43)

23. Cephable (00:45:54)

https://cephable.com/

24. Pieces.app (00:47:18)

https://pieces.app/

25. Sponsor: Outshift by Cisco (00:48:39)

https://agntcy.org

26. Do it at the network layer (00:49:42)

27. Home Assistant (00:52:43)

28. Dev mode howto plz (00:53:57)

29. Blood sugar to CLI prompt (00:54:48)

30. Maintaining excitement (00:56:34)

31. What's next for Scott (00:58:55)

32. Making arcades (01:02:27)

33. Arcade together?! (01:04:34)

34. Bye, friends (01:06:46)

35. Closing thoughts (01:07:01)