Securing ecommerce: "It's complicated" (Interview)

The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source

Ilya Grigorik and his team at Shopify has been hard at work securing ecommerce checkouts from sophisticated news attacks (such as digital skimming) and he’s here to share all the technical intricacies and far-reaching implications of this work.

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Show Notes:

• Powering Shopify’s High-Performance, PCI DSS v4 Compliant Checkout with Sandboxing
• PCI Compliance: What Is It and Everything Retailers Need to Know
• PCIv4: SRI gaps and opportunities - Google Docs
• Shopify/remote-dom

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Chapters

1. Welcome to The Changelog (00:00:00)

2. Sponsor: Retool (00:01:03)

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3. Welcoming Ilya back (00:04:04)

4. Ilya's career path (00:05:43)

5. Core Web Vitals (00:10:19)

6. Unpacking PCI (00:13:36)

7. PCI shortcomings (00:17:15)

8. PCI v4 (00:18:35)

9. 1st-party scripts (00:20:28)

10. 3rd-party scripts (00:21:18)

11. Sounds not possible (00:23:32)

12. Sponsor: Augment Code (00:24:30)

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13. Shopify's approach (00:27:39)

14. Compromises (00:32:22)

15. A long journey (00:36:32)

16. Is compliance enough? (00:38:10)

17. Improving the web platform (00:42:08)

18. CSP / SRI reporting details (00:46:37)

19. Shopify's SRI setup (00:51:28)

20. Key takeaways (00:54:01)

21. AI shopping agents (00:57:04)

22. Human out of the loop? (00:58:53)

23. Wrapping up (01:01:00)

24. Closing thoughts (01:03:05)