Artwork

Content provided by The Libertarian Institute - All Podcasts. All podcast content including episodes, graphics, and podcast descriptions are uploaded and provided directly by The Libertarian Institute - All Podcasts or their podcast platform partner. If you believe someone is using your copyrighted work without your permission, you can follow the process outlined here https://ppacc.player.fm/legal.
Player FM - Podcast App
Go offline with the Player FM app!

Ep 064 “War and Remembrance: Drawing the Wrong Lessons”

55:23
 
Share
 

Manage episode 484945358 series 2300257
Content provided by The Libertarian Institute - All Podcasts. All podcast content including episodes, graphics, and podcast descriptions are uploaded and provided directly by The Libertarian Institute - All Podcasts or their podcast platform partner. If you believe someone is using your copyrighted work without your permission, you can follow the process outlined here https://ppacc.player.fm/legal.

afgstinger

Memorial Day is a day to reflect on the existential moral outrage and trail of tears American military might has draped over the planet since the end of the nineteenth century.

Wars of choice are by their very nature a path to corruption, excess and unintended consequences.

The concept of moral injuries for soldiers and non-soldiers alike, the gift of fear and being a dead man walking and how to handle regret and shame.

“As beasts are beneath human restraints, gods are above them… It would be foolish and untruthful to deny the appeal of exalted, godlike intoxication….We have seen the paradox that these godlike exalted moments often correspond to times when the men who have survived them say that they have acted like beasts….Above all, a sense of merely human virtue, a sense of being valued and of valuing anything seems to have fled their lives….However, all of our virtues come from not being gods. Generosity is meaningless to a god, who never suffers shortage or want. Courage is meaningless to a god, who is immortal and can never suffer permanent injury. The godlike berserk state can destroy the capacity for virtue. Whether the berserker is beneath humanity as an animal, above it as a god, or both, he is cut off from all human community when he is in this state.”

― Jonathan Shay, Achilles in Vietnam: Combat Trauma and the Undoing of Character

Those millions of men who have been in combat over the millennia have always brought home invisible scar tissue and regret that manifests in many ways but most of us take it to our graves.

“…or the pilots doing nine-to-five jobs at computer consoles in Nevada killing people in Iraq and Afghanistan with drones and commuting to and from their homes like any other commuters. Imagine the psychic split that must ensue from bringing in death and destruction from the sky on a group of terrorists—young men who have mothers and a misplaced idealism that has led them into horrible criminal acts, but nevertheless young and brave men—and then driving home from the base to dinner with the spouse and kids. “Have a nice day at the office, hon?”

― Karl Marlantes, What It is Like to Go to War

References:

The Roots Tribunal in Congress

Nick Turse Kill Anything That Moves: The Real American War in Vietnam

Bill Russel Edmonds God is Not Here: A Soldier’s Struggle with Torture, Trauma, and the Moral Injuries of War

Clark Savage King of All Things: A Guide to Man’s Martial Purpose

Dick Couch A Tactical Ethic: Moral Conduct in the Insurgent Battlespace

Andrew Bacevich Paths of Dissent: Soldiers Speak Out Against America’s Misguided Wars

Shauna Springer WARRIOR: How to Support Those Who Protect Us

Jonathan Shay Achilles in Vietnam: Combat Trauma and the Undoing of Character

Jonathan Shay Odysseus in America: Combat Trauma and the Trials of Homecoming

My Substack

Email at [email protected].

  continue reading

912 episodes

Artwork
iconShare
 
Manage episode 484945358 series 2300257
Content provided by The Libertarian Institute - All Podcasts. All podcast content including episodes, graphics, and podcast descriptions are uploaded and provided directly by The Libertarian Institute - All Podcasts or their podcast platform partner. If you believe someone is using your copyrighted work without your permission, you can follow the process outlined here https://ppacc.player.fm/legal.

afgstinger

Memorial Day is a day to reflect on the existential moral outrage and trail of tears American military might has draped over the planet since the end of the nineteenth century.

Wars of choice are by their very nature a path to corruption, excess and unintended consequences.

The concept of moral injuries for soldiers and non-soldiers alike, the gift of fear and being a dead man walking and how to handle regret and shame.

“As beasts are beneath human restraints, gods are above them… It would be foolish and untruthful to deny the appeal of exalted, godlike intoxication….We have seen the paradox that these godlike exalted moments often correspond to times when the men who have survived them say that they have acted like beasts….Above all, a sense of merely human virtue, a sense of being valued and of valuing anything seems to have fled their lives….However, all of our virtues come from not being gods. Generosity is meaningless to a god, who never suffers shortage or want. Courage is meaningless to a god, who is immortal and can never suffer permanent injury. The godlike berserk state can destroy the capacity for virtue. Whether the berserker is beneath humanity as an animal, above it as a god, or both, he is cut off from all human community when he is in this state.”

― Jonathan Shay, Achilles in Vietnam: Combat Trauma and the Undoing of Character

Those millions of men who have been in combat over the millennia have always brought home invisible scar tissue and regret that manifests in many ways but most of us take it to our graves.

“…or the pilots doing nine-to-five jobs at computer consoles in Nevada killing people in Iraq and Afghanistan with drones and commuting to and from their homes like any other commuters. Imagine the psychic split that must ensue from bringing in death and destruction from the sky on a group of terrorists—young men who have mothers and a misplaced idealism that has led them into horrible criminal acts, but nevertheless young and brave men—and then driving home from the base to dinner with the spouse and kids. “Have a nice day at the office, hon?”

― Karl Marlantes, What It is Like to Go to War

References:

The Roots Tribunal in Congress

Nick Turse Kill Anything That Moves: The Real American War in Vietnam

Bill Russel Edmonds God is Not Here: A Soldier’s Struggle with Torture, Trauma, and the Moral Injuries of War

Clark Savage King of All Things: A Guide to Man’s Martial Purpose

Dick Couch A Tactical Ethic: Moral Conduct in the Insurgent Battlespace

Andrew Bacevich Paths of Dissent: Soldiers Speak Out Against America’s Misguided Wars

Shauna Springer WARRIOR: How to Support Those Who Protect Us

Jonathan Shay Achilles in Vietnam: Combat Trauma and the Undoing of Character

Jonathan Shay Odysseus in America: Combat Trauma and the Trials of Homecoming

My Substack

Email at [email protected].

  continue reading

912 episodes

All episodes

×
 
Loading …

Welcome to Player FM!

Player FM is scanning the web for high-quality podcasts for you to enjoy right now. It's the best podcast app and works on Android, iPhone, and the web. Signup to sync subscriptions across devices.

 

Quick Reference Guide

Listen to this show while you explore
Play