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In this episode of The Professional CISO Show, David Malicoat tackles a bold question: Is it time to break apart Governance, Risk, and Compliance (GRC) into separate, specialized functions? Join us as we explore how unbundling GRC could transform your cybersecurity program from a checkbox exercise into a powerful tool for business alignment and risk management. With thought-provoking insights and historical examples, David makes the case for why GRC needs a fresh approach in today’s fast-paced digital landscape.
If you’re a CISO, security professional, or business leader, this episode is packed with actionable advice to help you elevate your organization’s cybersecurity maturity.
Key Takeaways:
• Why governance, risk, and compliance deserve individual attention
• How CISOs can take ownership of governance for strategic impact
• Using compliance to secure resources and improve risk management
• Practical strategies to rethink and realign your GRC structure
Timestamps:
• 00:00 – Welcome and Introduction
• 02:00 – Why GRC Needs a Fresh Approach
• 06:00 – Historical Example: British Defense of Singapore
• 09:00 – The Evolution of GRC: From 2000s to Present
• 15:00 – Governance: A CISO’s Primary Responsibility
• 21:00 – Risk Management: Aligning Cyber and Business Risk
• 25:00 – Compliance: Turning It into a Strategic Advantage
• 29:00 – Final Thoughts: Breaking Apart GRC for Cyber Superpowers
• 31:00 – Call to Action: Professionalizing the CISO Role
Quotes:
• “Governance isn’t just a checkbox; it’s the CISO’s responsibility to lead and set the strategic direction of the cybersecurity program.”
• “Risk is the lens through which all programs need to make decisions. Without it, you’re misaligned with the business.”
• “Just because you have GRC doesn’t mean you’re using it to its full potential. It could be your superpower if harnessed properly.”
Connect with David Malicoat:
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In this episode of The Professional CISO Show, David Malicoat tackles a bold question: Is it time to break apart Governance, Risk, and Compliance (GRC) into separate, specialized functions? Join us as we explore how unbundling GRC could transform your cybersecurity program from a checkbox exercise into a powerful tool for business alignment and risk management. With thought-provoking insights and historical examples, David makes the case for why GRC needs a fresh approach in today’s fast-paced digital landscape.
If you’re a CISO, security professional, or business leader, this episode is packed with actionable advice to help you elevate your organization’s cybersecurity maturity.
Key Takeaways:
• Why governance, risk, and compliance deserve individual attention
• How CISOs can take ownership of governance for strategic impact
• Using compliance to secure resources and improve risk management
• Practical strategies to rethink and realign your GRC structure
Timestamps:
• 00:00 – Welcome and Introduction
• 02:00 – Why GRC Needs a Fresh Approach
• 06:00 – Historical Example: British Defense of Singapore
• 09:00 – The Evolution of GRC: From 2000s to Present
• 15:00 – Governance: A CISO’s Primary Responsibility
• 21:00 – Risk Management: Aligning Cyber and Business Risk
• 25:00 – Compliance: Turning It into a Strategic Advantage
• 29:00 – Final Thoughts: Breaking Apart GRC for Cyber Superpowers
• 31:00 – Call to Action: Professionalizing the CISO Role
Quotes:
• “Governance isn’t just a checkbox; it’s the CISO’s responsibility to lead and set the strategic direction of the cybersecurity program.”
• “Risk is the lens through which all programs need to make decisions. Without it, you’re misaligned with the business.”
• “Just because you have GRC doesn’t mean you’re using it to its full potential. It could be your superpower if harnessed properly.”
Connect with David Malicoat:
Website: www.thpc.co
YouTube: The Professional CISO Show
LinkedIn: David Malicoat on LinkedIn
Twitter: @ProfessionalCISO
Listen & Subscribe:
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#CISO #GRC #GovernanceRiskCompliance #Cybersecurity #RiskManagement #ProfessionalCISO #Leadership
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1 The CISO Role Is Changing—Are You Ready to Lead? (at CISO XC ATX) 21:40
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedSponsor: Infoblox ( www.infoblox.com ) 🎙 EP66: Building CISO Community – Live from CISO XC Austin (Presented by Infoblox) The Professional CISO Show with David Malicoat From DFW to Austin and beyond, the CISO XC community is expanding—fueled by genuine connection, trust, and shared purpose. In this live episode from CISO XC ATX, David Malicoat sits down with security leaders Mickey Disabato and John Sapp to explore the future of cybersecurity leadership, AI adoption, and how community-driven initiatives are reshaping how CISOs grow together. Mickey shares why organic, local-led growth is key to protecting the integrity of CISO XC’s mission, while John offers a powerful vision for the secure, responsible use of AI—and how today’s CISOs must evolve into strategic risk managers. 🔥 In this episode: Why mid-market firms need better visibility from MSPs Expanding CISO XC into 13+ cities without losing its authenticity The power of community-led chapters and cross-pollination Creating vendor-neutral, value-rich events Responsible AI adoption and risk-based CISO leadership What it really means to “professionalize the CISO role” 🧠 Guests: Mickey Disabato – Advisory Board, CISO XC | CIO, FIDUS Cyber Security Solutions John Sapp – CISO, Texas Mutual | CISO XC Austin Chapter Lead 🔗 Presented in partnership with Infoblox Visit infoblox.com to learn how Protective DNS helps secure your organization before threats strike. 🎧 Listen, Follow & Share: 🔗 Website: www.thpc.co 📺 YouTube: @TheProfessionalCISO 🔊 Spotify: The Professional CISO Show 📱 Apple Podcasts: The Professional CISO Show 💼 LinkedIn: The Professional CISO Show #CybersecurityLeadership #CISOXC #ProfessionalCISO #Infoblox #ProtectiveDNS #AIinSecurity #CISOCommunity #CyberResilience #RiskManagement #CISORoleEvolution #TheProfessionalCISOShow…
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedSponsor: Magic Mirror Security ( www.magicmirrorsecurity.com/thpc ) 🎙 When the Lawyers Come for CISOs — Aravind Swaminathan on Risk, Responsibility & the Law Guest: Aravind Swaminathan, Global Co-Chair, Cybersecurity & Data Privacy, Orrick Episode Summary CISOs have always managed risk — but are they ready to manage legal exposure? In this gripping episode, David Malicoat sits down with Aravind Swaminathan, a leading cyber attorney and former federal prosecutor, to unpack the legal landscape threatening CISOs today. Aravind shares behind-the-scenes insights from the Joe Sullivan case, explains the chilling implications of the Ninth Circuit’s decision for bug bounty programs, and delivers straight talk on CISO liability, reputation, and professional protection. Whether you’re a seasoned CISO or an aspiring security leader, this episode will sharpen your understanding of how legal, privacy, and reputational issues intersect with cyber leadership in 2025. What You’ll Learn The human and legal realities behind the Joe Sullivan case Why mission, vision, and values must guide breach response The evolving role of legal counsel in cybersecurity crises What every CISO must know about indemnification and D&O coverage Where cyber and privacy overlap — and why it matters The importance of storytelling in incident response and litigation Why CISOs need to ask the right legal questions during job offers Guest Bio Aravind Swaminathan is a Partner and Global Co-Chair of the Cybersecurity & Data Privacy practice at Orrick. A former Assistant U.S. Attorney and CHIP prosecutor, he has led responses to hundreds of cybersecurity incidents and represents organizations and executives facing some of the most complex legal issues in cyber today — including serving as the attorney for Joe Sullivan. 🎧 Listen & Subscribe Website: www.thpc.co Spotify: The Professional CISO Show Apple Podcasts: The Professional CISO Show YouTube: @TheProfessionalCISO LinkedIn: The Professional CISO Show Related Episodes Joe Sullivan – The Human Cost of Prosecution David Chamberlain – Crisis Communications for CISOs #Hashtags #CISO #CybersecurityLaw #BugBounty #JoeSullivan #LegalRisk #ProfessionalCISO #DataPrivacy #IncidentResponse #CyberLaw #SEC #CyberLeadership…
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1 THPC EP64 – CISO XC Austin: Veterans, Mid-Market Cyber & Responsible AI 27:11
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedSponsor: Netskope ( www.netskope.com ) On Location at CISO XC ATX: www.cisoxc.com THPC EP64 – CISO XC Austin: Veterans, Mid-Market Cyber & Responsible AI In this special episode recorded live at CISO XC’s inaugural Austin event, host David Malicoat brings you ground-level conversations with leaders shaping modern cybersecurity—from national defense to mid-market innovation. Lance Taylor (CLEAR) reflects on translating military intelligence into cyber threat strategy and offers advice for transitioning veterans. Royce Marques (RAA) discusses the realities facing growing organizations and how CISO XC is building a thriving security community in Austin. Russell Okoth rounds out the episode with key insights on responsible AI, global data governance, and mentoring the next wave of professionals. In this episode: Cybersecurity lessons from military service Threat intelligence as a bridge between intel and ops The role of frameworks like NIST CSF for growing orgs Building grassroots cyber communities Responsible AI adoption in real-world orgs Data governance & privacy-by-design at scale Why mentorship matters more than ever Guests: Lance Taylor, Sr. Manager, Cyber Defense – CLEAR Royce Markose, CISO – Vistrada Russell Okoth, former CISO – Apex FinTech / SoCal Regional Bank 🎧 Listen now on Spotify or Apple Podcasts 🔗 Learn more at www.thpc.co…
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1 "Data Is the Hot Potato”: CISO XC Austin Gets Real on AI & Governance 26:10
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedSponsor: Infoblox ( www.infoblox.com ) 🎙 The Professional CISO Show – Episode 63 Live from CISO XC Austin: Real Talk on AI, Data Governance & CISO Careers Sponsored by Infoblox 🎧 Episode Summary In this dynamic episode recorded live at CISO XC Austin, host David Malicoat sits down with cybersecurity thought leader and attorney Shawn Tuma , and former Neiman Marcus cybersecurity leader Louis Morton , for two compelling conversations that hit at the heart of today’s biggest security and career challenges. With Shawn, we dive into the interplay between AI, data governance, and legal collaboration—featuring his viral phrase “ data is the hot potato .” With Louis, we get a transparent, real-world look at navigating a sudden job transition, professional reinvention, and the evolving demands of security leadership. 🔥 Key Highlights Why AI is an exponential multiplier of existing security gaps The critical connection between legal and cyber leadership “Data is the hot potato”: a sticky metaphor for cyber focus The power of unscripted , candid panels over rehearsed drama Louis Morton’s real-time response to being impacted by acquisition layoffs How to relaunch your career using an omnichannel, proactive job search Why MBA programs with cybersecurity focus may shape future CISOs Reinvention and resilience: why character matters more than titles 👤 Guests Shawn Tuma – Cybersecurity & Data Privacy Attorney, Author of “Cybersecurity Law, Policy, and Practice” Louis Morton – Former Cybersecurity Leader at Neiman Marcus, now seeking his next challenge 🎯 Perfect For: CISOs, aspiring security leaders, legal partners in cyber, and anyone facing or supporting job transitions in tech. 🎧 Listen & Subscribe YouTube Spotify Apple Podcasts 🌐 Learn more: www.thpc.co 💼 Connect on LinkedIn: The Professional CISO Show 📣 Hashtags #CybersecurityLeadership #TheProfessionalCISO #CISOXC #DataGovernance #AIinCyber #JobSearch #SecurityCareers #Infoblox #Cyberlaw #HotPotatoData #CISORole #SecurityCommunity #ResilientLeadership…
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1 AI, Risk, and Reality: The CISO’s Guide to What’s Coming Next 23:11
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedSponsor: Netskope ( www.netskope.com ) EP62 | Building Real Cybersecurity Communities + AI Clarity with Dr. Anand Singh (Live from CISO XC ATX) Sponsored by Netskope What happens when a CISO-led community takes root in a new city — and how do you cut through the noise around AI in cybersecurity? In this special episode recorded live from the inaugural CISO XC ATX event in Austin, host David Malicoat sits down with Randy Potts , co-founder of CISO XC, and Dr. Anand Singh , veteran CISO and AI thought leader, for two candid conversations on the future of cybersecurity leadership. 🎤 Randy shares how CISO XC is scaling its “community-first” model across cities while staying true to local ownership and peer connection. 🤖 Anand breaks down the intersection of AI and cybersecurity into actionable concepts — from AI for security tools to risks around data poisoning and agent-based automation. Whether you’re a seasoned CISO or a rising security leader, this episode offers a front-row seat to where the cybersecurity profession is going — and who’s driving the change. 🔑 Topics Covered: Why local cybersecurity communities matter more than ever Lessons from 3 years of CISO XC and what’s next AI for cybersecurity vs. security for AI — what CISOs need to know Data governance, regulation, and the risks of “AI hype” The importance of peer-driven content and practitioner-led learning Preview of Dr. Singh’s upcoming book on AI and security 🎧 The Professional CISO Show is your front-row seat to the conversations shaping modern cybersecurity leadership — hosted by veteran CISO David Malicoat. 🔗 Resources & Links Show Website: www.thpc.co YouTube Channel: @TheProfessionalCISO Follow on LinkedIn: The Professional CISO Show Guest: Dr. Anand Singh | Randy Potts Sponsor: Netskope #CISO #CybersecurityLeadership #AIandSecurity #Netskope #CISOXC #AustinCyber #CybersecurityCommunity #InfosecPodcast #TheProfessionalCISOShow…
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1 Don’t Chase Titles — Build These 3 Things Instead (CISO Advice) with Nathan Wright 40:37
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like Liked🎙️ The Professional CISO Show – Episode 61 Guest: Nathan Wright, CISO at Textron Host: David Malicoat Sponsor: Armis Check out the Armis 2025 Cyberwarfare Report: www.armis.com/cyberwarfare Visit Armis at RSAC, North Hall, Booth N-5457: www. armis.com/rsac2025 🎧 Episode Summary: In this episode of The Professional CISO Show , host David Malicoat sits down with Nathan Wright, CISO at Textron, to explore one of the most unconventional — and inspiring — journeys to cybersecurity leadership. From Russian linguist at the FBI to overseeing IT security across a global enterprise, Nathan shares why being open to pivots across functions (including supply chain, engineering, and product security) can supercharge a CISO’s ability to lead. Nathan unpacks the value of translating technical risk into business strategy, why “protecting the revenue” should be at the heart of every cybersecurity program, and how to bridge the ever-present tension between infrastructure and security. 🧠 Key Highlights: From linguistics to leadership: Nathan’s unexpected route to CISO. The role of curiosity and discomfort in professional growth. What it really means to professionalize cybersecurity. Why “protect the revenue” should be every CISO’s north star. Advice for early- and mid-career professionals hesitant to pivot. Risk, regulation, and when frameworks help vs. hinder. How translating “cyberese” into business terms creates influence. 🛠️ Call to Action: If you enjoyed this episode, be sure to follow us on your favorite podcast platform , leave a 5-star review , and share it with a colleague who’s ready to take their cybersecurity journey to the next level. 🔗 Follow The Professional CISO Show: 🌐 Website: www.thpc.co 📺 YouTube: Watch More Episodes 🎧 Spotify: Follow on Spotify 🍎 Apple Podcasts: Listen on Apple 💼 LinkedIn: The Professional CISO Show 🧵 Hashtags: #CybersecurityLeadership #CISOCareer #ProfessionalCISO #CyberResilience #RiskManagement #TranslateCyber #InfosecJourney #Cyberstrategy #SecurityLeadership…
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1 🔐 From DNS to AI: Insights from CISO XC Austin | The Professional CISO Show EP60 sponsored by Infoblox 35:07
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedGuests: Ryan Rene Rosado & Chris Boykin | Sponsor: Infoblox ( www.infoblox.com ) Recorded live at CISO XC Austin In this special on-location episode of The Professional CISO Show , host David Malicoat brings you powerful conversations recorded at CISO XC in Austin , where cybersecurity leaders gathered to tackle today’s most pressing challenges—from career transitions to DNS-layer security. 👩💼 First, we hear from Ryan Rene Rosado , a dynamic cybersecurity leader, Air Force veteran, and Harvard Extension School TA. Ryan shares candid reflections on consulting vs. in-house security work, why AI isn’t the true endgame, and how job seekers—and employers—need to shift their mindset. Her voice is an authentic, timely perspective for CISOs and aspiring leaders alike. 🛡️ Then, we go deep with Chris Boykin , Product Security Specialist at Infoblox , on the power of DNS in security architecture. He breaks down real-world attacker tactics, exfiltration methods, and how Infoblox’s Protective DNS and Universal DDI solutions are helping organizations stop threats before they launch. The episode closes with insights on their AI-powered threat intel, interoperability with other platforms, and where DNS security is heading next. 🔑 Key Highlights Why Ryan compares consulting to cosmetic surgery—and working in-house to being a primary care physician Lessons from transitioning out of the military into cybersecurity leadership The real reason organizations chase AI (hint: it’s not AI) How attackers weaponize DNS queries and domain lookalikes What Infoblox is doing to push DNS-based threat detection into the future Why collaboration in the cybersecurity ecosystem matters more than ever 🎧 Listen Now on Your Favorite Platform 🔗 Spotify 🔗 Apple Podcasts 🌐 Learn more at: www.thpc.co 📣 Follow The Professional CISO Show 🔗 YouTube 🔗 LinkedIn #TheProfessionalCISOShow #CISOXC #CybersecurityLeadership #WomenInCybersecurity #Infoblox #ProtectiveDNS #CyberThreatIntel #CISOcareer #AIsecurity #DNSsecurity #GRC #CyberNetworking…
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1 Voices of CISO XC: Austin’s Cybersecurity Leaders Take the Mic sponsored by Netskope 19:02
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like Liked🎙️ Live from Austin: Conversations from the Inaugural CISO XC ATX | Sponsored by Netskope In this special event episode, The Professional CISO Show hits the road to Austin, Texas for the inaugural CISO XC ATX Conference , where community, innovation, and leadership take center stage. Host David Malicoat sits down with Rich McCrohan of Andromeda Security and David Elcock , advisor to Netskope, for a candid discussion on the evolving security landscape—from AI-driven identity management to the business-first philosophy behind modern Zero Trust architecture. 💡 What You’ll Learn in This Episode : The future of cloud identity and non-human access provisioning Why Austin’s cyber leadership scene is distinct from DFW How Netskope combines speed and security without compromise The critical role of human behavior, internal threat visibility, and behavioral context Diversity, veterans, and the “shaved sidewalk” analogy for building inclusive security communities 🧠 Whether you’re a CISO, aspiring leader, or part of the cyber vendor ecosystem, this episode delivers powerful insights on technology, culture, and connection—all from the heart of Texas. 🎧 Subscribe now and join us as we continue to professionalize the CISO role, one conversation at a time. 🔗 Links & Resources Website: www.thpc.co LinkedIn: The Professional CISO Show YouTube: Watch More Episodes Hashtags: #Cybersecurity #CISOXC #ZeroTrust #Netskope #CloudSecurity #AustinTech #CyberLeadership #DiversityInTech #VeteransInCyber #AIinSecurity #SASE #TheProfessionalCISO…
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1 Inside the DSPM Revolution: Data, Identity & the Future of Security w/ Mohit Tiwari and Anand Singh 45:39
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this special Industry Series kickoff episode of The Professional CISO Show , host David Malicoat is joined by Mohit Tiwari (CEO & Co-Founder) and Anand Singh (Chief Security and Strategy Officer) of Symmetry Systems for a compelling conversation on the future of data security , the rise of DSPM (Data Security Posture Management) , and the emerging intersection of AI, identity, and access . Learn how Symmetry Systems evolved from academic research into a cutting-edge security platform, why Anand made the leap from enterprise CISO to startup executive, and what every security leader needs to understand about managing data in today’s AI-driven world. 🔑 Key Topics Covered: Why past data security initiatives failed—and how DSPM changes the game The “three-axis” model of modern cybersecurity: Data, Identity, Access How AI copilots and agent models reshape the threat landscape Practical use cases: risk reduction, visibility, and compliance Why CISOs can finally become enablers of business value How 2025 is shaping up to be the year of data-centric security 👥 Guests: Mohit Tiwari – CEO & Co-Founder, Symmetry Systems Anand Singh – Chief Security & Strategy Officer, Symmetry Systems | Former CISO at Alkami Technology 🔗 Resources & Links: 🎥 Watch this episode on YouTube: youtube.com/@TheProfessionalCISO 🌐 Visit our website: www.thpc.co 🔗 Connect on LinkedIn: The Professional CISO Show 📖 Confused Pilot Website: http://confusedpilot.info/ 📽️ Confused Pilot Presentation: https://confusedpilot.info/ConfusedPilot_Site.pdf 👍 Like what you hear? Follow the show, rate the episode, and share it with your network. Let’s professionalize the CISO role—together. #TheProfessionalCISO #DSPM #DataSecurity #CybersecurityLeadership #CISO #AIsecurity #SymmetrySystems #CloudSecurity #IdentitySecurity #AnandSingh #MohitTiwari #IndustrySeries #CybersecurityPodcast…
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like Liked🙄 Stop Rolling Your Eyes: AI Is Your CISO Leadership Opportunity The Professional CISO Show – Episode 57 Hosted by David Malicoat This episode is brought to you by Symmetry Systems, The Data+AI Security Company. ( www.symmetry-systems.com ) 🎧 Episode Summary: In this solo commentary episode, David Malicoat issues a direct challenge to security leaders everywhere: stop rolling your eyes at AI—it’s your leadership opportunity. Too many CISOs are brushing off artificial intelligence as just another tech trend. But as AI continues to reshape cybersecurity and business strategy in real time, this is the moment for CISOs to lead the charge—not get left behind. David breaks down why AI governance is the new boardroom battleground, how CISOs can build strategic influence, and why now is the time to speak up, show up, and step into a broader leadership role. Whether you’re leading a security program today or preparing for tomorrow, this episode will help you rethink your approach to AI and your value as a cybersecurity executive. 🔑 Key Takeaways: • Why AI isn’t “just another hype cycle” for cybersecurity • How to take the lead on AI governance in your organization • Translating AI’s risk and value into business terms • How CISOs can communicate more effectively with non-technical stakeholders • Why sharing your voice publicly is now a leadership expectation 📌 Connect & Follow: 🌐 Website: www.thpc.co 🔗 LinkedIn: The Professional CISO Show 🎥 YouTube: @TheProfessionalCISO 🎧 Spotify: The Professional CISO on Spotify 🍏 Apple: The Professional CISO on Apple Podcasts 💬 Let’s Connect: Have feedback or want to be a guest on the show? Reach out via LinkedIn or the website. And don’t forget to rate, review, and follow the podcast to help professionalize the CISO role across the industry. 🔖 Tags & Topics: CISO, Cybersecurity Leadership, AI Governance, Boardroom Communication, Risk Management, Strategic Security, Artificial Intelligence, Executive Presence, Infosec Strategy, The Professional CISO…
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1 The CISO’s Dilemma: Influence, Impact, and Leaving the Seat with Russell Okoth 45:37
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedThis episode is brought to you by Symmetry Systems (www.symmetry-systems.com) Innovate with Confidence. The Data+AI Security Company Discover, classify, and safeguard data at scale with our leading Data Security Posture Management Platform. Detect and respond to data focused concerns before they impact your business. 🎙️ Description: In this powerful episode, host David Malicoat sits down with cybersecurity advisor and former CISO Russell Okoth to explore his remarkable journey—from growing up in Kenya to building award-winning security programs in the U.S. corporate world. Russell shares valuable lessons on leadership, mentorship, the responsible use of AI, and why CISOs must evolve from technical experts into business risk translators. He also opens up about transitioning from a high-level CISO role to running his own cybersecurity advisory firm, Cyber Diligent. Whether you’re an aspiring cybersecurity professional or a seasoned CISO, this episode delivers insights you won’t want to miss. 🔑 Key Topics Covered: • Russell’s early tech roots in Kenya and his global cybersecurity journey • Lessons from building security programs at Mr. Cooper and Pacific Premier Bank • The pivot from CISO to cybersecurity consultant • Responsible AI usage and the critical role of data governance • What most leaders get wrong about developing cybersecurity talent • Communicating cybersecurity as business risk, not just technical debt • Leadership, legacy, and staying rooted in purpose 👤 Guest: Russell Okoth Cybersecurity Advisor | Former CISO at Pacific Premier Bank Founder, Cyber Diligent Connect: linkedin.com/in/russellokoth 🎧 Listen & Subscribe: • Website: www.thpc.co • Spotify: The Professional CISO • Apple Podcasts: The Professional CISO 📲 Follow Us: • YouTube: @TheProfessionalCISO • LinkedIn: The Professional CISO Show #Cybersecurity #CISO #ProfessionalCISO #RussellOkoth #CyberLeadership #AIinSecurity #TalentDevelopment #CyberRisk #TheProfessionalCISO #LeadershipInTech…
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1 CISOs & The Board: Lessons from Corporate Governance Expert Debra von Storch 44:20
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like Liked🎙️ Episode Summary How can CISOs break into the boardroom and become key players in corporate strategy? In this episode, Debra von Storch , former Ernst & Young (EY) senior partner turned accomplished board director , joins host David Malicoat to reveal what it takes for cybersecurity leaders to elevate their influence at the executive level. With decades of experience advising CEOs, CFOs, and corporate boards , Debra shares a blueprint for CISOs who want to shift from a technical role to a business leadership role. Learn how to build boardroom credibility, understand capital markets, and develop the strategic mindset that corporate boards expect. 🎯 Key Takeaways: ✅ Why CISOs must go beyond risk management and focus on value creation ✅ How to develop business acumen to gain influence with CEOs & CFOs ✅ The importance of governance, risk management, and board engagement ✅ Why CISOs should get board-certified (NACD, PDA) & join nonprofit boards ✅ How the capital markets & economic climate impact cybersecurity strategy ✅ Steps to transition from cybersecurity leadership to corporate board member ⏳ Time Stamps 00:00 – Introduction & Episode Overview 02:00 – Debra von Storch’s Journey: From CPA to Board Director 05:30 – How CISOs Can Gain Boardroom Visibility 10:00 – The Future of CISOs in Corporate Strategy 15:00 – Building Key Relationships with CFOs & CEOs 20:00 – Board Governance 101: What Every CISO Should Know 30:00 – How to Develop Business Acumen for Board Influence 40:00 – Leveraging Cyber Insights to Drive Business Value 43:00 – 10 Rapid-Fire Questions with Debra von Storch 44:00 – Closing Thoughts & Key Takeaways 📝 📌 Show References: NASDAQ Newsroom : https://www.nasdaq.com/newsroom New York Stock Exchange : https://www.nyse.com EY Insights : https://www.ey.com/en_us/insights Pitchbook : https://pitchbook.com NACD : https://www.nacdonline.org Private Directors Association : https://www.privatedirectors.org Varispace : https://www.varispace.com and Varidesk : https://www.vari.com Pearson Partners : https://pearsonpartnersintl.com Korn Ferry : https://www.kornferry.com Spencer Stuart : https://www.spencerstuart.com The Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States (CFIUS): https://home.treasury.gov/policy-issues/international/the-committee-on-foreign-investment-in-the-united-states-cfius 📢 Follow & Subscribe 📡 Never miss an episode! Subscribe & Follow: 🎧 Spotify: The Professional CISO Show on Spotify 🍏 Apple Podcasts: The Professional CISO Show on Apple Podcasts 🌐 Website: www.thpc.co 📺 YouTube: Watch More Episodes of The Professional CISO Show 🔗 LinkedIn: The Professional CISO Show on LinkedIn 📢 If you enjoyed this episode, share it with your network! 🔍 Related Episodes 🎙️ Gary Hayslip on The Future of CISO Leadership 🎙️ Live from NTX ISSA CSC12: Conversations with Cybersecurity Experts 🎙️ CISO Panel with Sailaja Kotra-Turner, Sonya Hammond & Jessica Nemmers 🎯 Connect with Our Guest: 👤 Debra von Storch LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/debravonstorch • Former Senior Partner at Ernst & Young (EY) • Board Director specializing in corporate governance, risk management, and business strategy 🔗 Hashtags & Keywords #CyberSecurity #CISO #BoardGovernance #BusinessStrategy #TheProfessionalCISOShow #DavidMalicoat #DebraVonStorch #Leadership #Technology #CISOCareerDevelopment #BoardroomInsights…
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1 The CISO's New Secret Weapon: Business Acumen w/ Alain Espinosa 44:35
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like Liked🔐 How do CISOs transition from cybersecurity leaders to business executives and board members? In this episode of The Professional CISO Show , I sit down with Alain Espinosa to explore his journey from IT operations to board readiness and leadership. We cover building business acumen, navigating the boardroom, professional development strategies, and the evolving role of CISOs in enterprise risk management. This episode is packed with valuable insights for security leaders looking to elevate their careers beyond technology and into business leadership and governance. 🎙 Watch now and learn: ✅ How CISOs can become business executives and influence corporate strategy ✅ The importance of financial literacy and board governance in cybersecurity leadership ✅ Why mentorship and professional development are critical for career growth ✅ The biggest misconceptions about cybersecurity leaders joining corporate boards ✅ Strategies for building executive presence and credibility at the board level 📌 Timestamps: 00:00 – Introduction & What’s New on The Professional CISO Show 02:00 – Alain Espinosa’s Journey: From IT Operations to Cybersecurity 07:00 – Cybersecurity’s Evolution: From Tech to Business Risk Management 12:00 – Why CISOs Need to Develop Business Acumen 18:00 – How Security Leaders Can Secure a Seat at the Business Table 25:00 – The Espinosa 3E’s: Equip, Empower, Encourage 30:00 – Board Readiness: What CISOs Need to Know 36:00 – Financial Acumen & Business Strategy for Cybersecurity Executives 42:00 – 10 Rapid-Fire Questions with Alain Espinosa 44:00 – Final Thoughts & Call to Action 📣 Enjoyed this episode? Don’t forget to: 👍 Like, Subscribe , and Hit the Bell Icon to stay updated on the latest cybersecurity leadership insights! 💬 Comment below: What skills do you think CISOs need to succeed in the boardroom? Make sure you check out CISO XC! Register now for the DFW Spring Event: https://www.cisoxc.com/event-details/ciso-xc-dfw-spring-request-for-rsvp The Professional CISO Show looks forward to seeing you there. 🔗 Share this episode with your network! 🎧 Listen on the go: 🔹 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2C7JojNZPdg1g6AXvpKDfn?si=a7ac3172bb414673 🔹 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-professional-ciso/id1731138021 🌐 Follow The Professional CISO Show: 🔗 Website: www.thpc.co 🔗 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-professional-ciso-show 🔗 YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/@TheProfessionalCISO 🎥 Related Episodes: ▶ EP 53: Gary Hayslip on Cybersecurity Leadership & AI Threats ▶ EP 52: Live from ISSA CSC 12: Expert Panel on MDR, XDR, & AI 🔎 Hashtags: #CyberSecurity #CISO #BoardroomLeadership #CyberRisk #CISOCareer #BusinessAcumen #Leadership #CyberGovernance #RiskManagement #ProfessionalDevelopment #CISOToBoard…
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1 Cyber Risk at the Board Level: A CISO’s Guide with NACD’s Chris Hetner 43:00
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like Liked🚀 In this episode of The Professional CISO Show, we sit down with Chris Hetner, seasoned cybersecurity leader and board advisor, to discuss the evolving role of CISOs, cybersecurity risk management at the board level, and the professionalization of the CISO function. Chris brings decades of experience from Wall Street, the U.S. Securities Exchange Commission, and his current advisory role at the National Association of Corporate Directors (NACD). We dive deep into how CISOs must evolve into business executives with a strong foundation in cybersecurity and risk management. 🎙️ Episode Highlights: ✔️ Chris Hetner’s journey from cybersecurity to boardroom advisory ✔️ The NACD’s role in shaping board-level cybersecurity governance ✔️ How CISOs can bridge the gap between technical risk and business objectives ✔️ The shifting regulatory landscape for security leaders ✔️ Trends in AI and cybersecurity risk reporting ✔️ Why boards struggle with cyber risk management – and how CISOs can help ✔️ The future of cybersecurity leadership and board involvement ✔️ Practical steps for CISOs looking to transition into board roles 📌 Plus, Chris answers our signature “10 Questions” rapid-fire segment! ⏱️ YouTube Timestamps: 00:00 – Intro & The Evolution of The Professional CISO Show 02:00 – Meet Chris Hetner: Cybersecurity, Wall Street, and Board Advisory 10:00 – The CISO’s Role in Board-Level Risk Management 15:00 – Tactical vs. Strategic Cybersecurity: Why CISOs Must Speak Business 22:00 – How CISOs Can Develop Themselves for Board Roles 28:00 – AI, Cybersecurity, and the Future of Risk Management 34:00 – What the Next Administration Means for CISOs 38:00 – 10 Questions with Chris Hetner 42:00 – Final Thoughts & Closing Remarks 📢 Call to Action: 🔹 Subscribe to The Professional CISO Show for more insights on cybersecurity leadership! 🎧 Listen on: • Spotify : https://open.spotify.com/show/2C7JojNZPdg1g6AXvpKDfn?si=a7ac3172bb414673 • Apple Podcasts : https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-professional-ciso/id1731138021 • Watch more episodes : http://www.youtube.com/@TheProfessionalCISO 🔹 Follow us on LinkedIn : https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-professional-ciso-show 🌐 Visit our website : www.thpc.co 📺 Related Episodes You Might Like: 🎙️ Professionalizing the CISO Role with Matt Walker 🎙️ Building Cybersecurity Communities with Joey Rachid 🎙️ Strategic Cyber Leadership with Gary Hayslip 🔖 Hashtags: #Cybersecurity #CISO #CyberRisk #Leadership #BoardGovernance #AI #RiskManagement #TheProfessionalCISOShow…
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1 Cybersecurity Leadership & Professional Organizations: Evolution or Revolution? 56:54
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedThe Professional CISO Show - Episode 52: The Future of Professional Organizations for CISOs 🎙️ Hook: Are the current professional organizations truly serving the needs of CISOs, or is it time for a new approach? In this episode of The Professional CISO Show , host David Malicoat takes a deep dive into the evolution of cybersecurity professional associations, weighing the opportunities and challenges of forming a collective that genuinely represents the interests of security leaders. Episode Summary: For years, organizations like ISC², ISACA, and ISSA have been the backbone of cybersecurity certifications and networking. But with the evolving role of the CISO, should our professional organizations change as well? In this thought-provoking commentary, David explores the potential benefits and pitfalls of both revamping existing associations and creating new ones. From advocacy and standardization to ethics and vendor influence, he examines the critical aspects that shape the effectiveness of professional organizations. How do we ensure transparency? How do we prevent bureaucracy and power consolidation? Most importantly, how do we build a professional body that truly advances the role of the CISO? Key Highlights: 🔹 The need for CISO advocacy in regulations and policy 🔹 Challenges of creating a new professional organization vs. reforming existing ones 🔹 Balancing certifications, training, and real-world experience 🔹 The role of transparency and ethics in cybersecurity leadership 🔹 How professional organizations can influence vendors and drive meaningful change 🔹 Addressing bureaucracy, cost barriers, and conflicts of interest 💡 This is more than just a discussion—it’s a call for CISOs to critically assess their affiliations and shape the future of our profession. Timestamps: ⏳ 00:00 - Introduction: Why This Discussion Matters ⏳ 02:00 - The Changing Role of CISOs & Professional Organizations ⏳ 06:00 - The Pros and Cons of CISO Advocacy ⏳ 10:00 - Standardization & Best Practices: Are We Reinventing the Wheel? ⏳ 14:00 - Certifications, Training & Professional Development ⏳ 18:00 - Collaborative Threat Intelligence: Can It Work? ⏳ 22:00 - Ethics & Transparency: The Foundation of a Trusted Organization ⏳ 28:00 - Vendor Influence: The Good, The Bad, The Necessary ⏳ 34:00 - Public Awareness & The CISO Role in Business ⏳ 40:00 - Overcoming Bureaucracy, Leadership Conflicts & Financial Barriers ⏳ 50:00 - Final Thoughts: Building a Future-Proof Organization Call to Action: 📢 Join the discussion! Drop a comment below or engage with us on LinkedIn. Do you think CISOs need a new professional organization? What standards should we demand? Let’s shape the future of our industry together. ✅ Subscribe to The Professional CISO Show: 🔗 YouTube: www.youtube.com/@TheProfessionalCISO 🔗 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2C7JojNZPdg1g6AXvpKDfn?si=a7ac3172bb414673 🔗 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-professional-ciso/id1731138021 🔗 Follow The Professional CISO Show on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-professional-ciso-show 🔗 Visit Our Website: www.thpc.co ▶️ Live from North Texas ISSA Conference – Conversations with Top CISOs ▶️ Matt Walker on Professionalizing the CISO Role & Business Risk ▶️ Gary Hayslip on CISO Leadership & SoftBank’s Security Strategy Hashtags: #CISO #CyberSecurity #CyberLeadership #ProfessionalCISO #CISOCommunity #InfoSec #SecurityLeadership #RiskManagement #CyberRisk #Leadership #CISOAssociation #CyberSecurityPodcast…
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