Changing Our Relationship With Pain | Dr Emily Musgrove

The Proof with Simon Hill

What if trying to feel good all the time is actually keeping you stuck?

In this episode of The Proof, I’m joined by Dr. Emily Musgrove, clinical psychologist and author of Unstuck, to explore why emotional discomfort isn’t something to avoid, but something to understand. We unpack what it really means to be “stuck,” how avoidance sneaks into everyday life (even among high performers), and the role of values, awareness, and psychological flexibility in creating meaningful change.

In this episode, we cover:

• Why feeling stuck doesn’t mean you’re broken
• How emotional avoidance drives disconnection
• The difference between psychological flexibility and cognitive fusion
• The cost of always performing and staying polished
• Hedonic vs. eudaimonic wellbeing
• How to clarify values and live with intention
• One practical step to start moving forward

If you’re feeling overwhelmed, burned out, or just unsure of what’s next, this conversation offers clarity, compassion, and tools to help you reconnect with what matters.

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