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Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Tarun Chitra, and Robert Leshner chop it up about the latest in crypto. In this episode, the crew is joined by special guest Joe Weisenthal, co-host of Bloomberg’s Odd Lots podcast, for a wide-ranging, unfiltered conversation. They dive into whether Bitcoin is becoming digital gold, why Ethereum’s value might be leaking away, and how stablecoins are quietly reshaping global finance. Joe challenges the panel on NFTs, DePIN, and whether any of crypto’s big promises have actually delivered. Plus, they debate the rise of MicroStrategy copycats, the failure of crypto social apps, and why Worldcoin’s orb-pilled vision might actually make sense.
Show highlights
🔹 Bitcoin = Safe Haven? – Why BTC is acting like gold in a crisis while ETH and altcoins are tanking
🔹 Ethereum’s Value Leak – Joe questions why ETH hasn’t captured any upside from stablecoins or NFTs
🔹 The MicroStrategy Clone Wars – Solana copycats are trying the Saylor playbook… but will it work?
🔹 Worldcoin’s Creepy Appeal – Joe is orb-pilled: privacy is dead, but proof-of-personhood might just work
🔹 The Freeport Theory of Bitcoin – Could BTC be the decentralized answer to offshore gold storage?
🔹 Are Stablecoins the Eurodollars of Crypto? – Haseeb lays out how stables quietly rewrote the financial system
🔹 Ethereum’s L2 Gamble – The panel debates if Ethereum’s scaling strategy caused value to bleed out
🔹 The DePIN Dilemma – Is decentralized infrastructure a dead-end or just early? Joe wants receipts
🔹 Crypto Social Media? – Joe’s skeptical: why decentralized comms hasn’t clicked yet
🔹 Utopia or Bust? – If crypto’s gonna be this expensive, Joe says it better deliver a better world
Hosts
⭐️Haseeb Qureshi, Managing Partner at Dragonfly
⭐️Robert Leshner, CEO & Co-founder of Superstate
⭐️Tarun Chitra, Managing Partner at Robot Ventures
⭐️Tom Schmidt, General Partner at Dragonfly
Guest
⭐️ Joe Weisenthal, Editor at Bloomberg
Disclosures
Timestamps
00:00 Intro
01:57 Bitcoin's Market Behavior
06:53 Bitcoin as a Safe Haven
15:56 Economic Value in Crypto
19:51 Stablecoins, NFTs, and Worldcoin
36:00 Blockchain's Value in Social Networks
41:20 Reality of Crypto Utopias
49:19 The Future of Stablecoins and Regulation
54:54 MicroStrategy and Bitcoin Investments
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Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Tarun Chitra, and Robert Leshner chop it up about the latest in crypto. In this episode, the crew is joined by special guest Joe Weisenthal, co-host of Bloomberg’s Odd Lots podcast, for a wide-ranging, unfiltered conversation. They dive into whether Bitcoin is becoming digital gold, why Ethereum’s value might be leaking away, and how stablecoins are quietly reshaping global finance. Joe challenges the panel on NFTs, DePIN, and whether any of crypto’s big promises have actually delivered. Plus, they debate the rise of MicroStrategy copycats, the failure of crypto social apps, and why Worldcoin’s orb-pilled vision might actually make sense.
Show highlights
🔹 Bitcoin = Safe Haven? – Why BTC is acting like gold in a crisis while ETH and altcoins are tanking
🔹 Ethereum’s Value Leak – Joe questions why ETH hasn’t captured any upside from stablecoins or NFTs
🔹 The MicroStrategy Clone Wars – Solana copycats are trying the Saylor playbook… but will it work?
🔹 Worldcoin’s Creepy Appeal – Joe is orb-pilled: privacy is dead, but proof-of-personhood might just work
🔹 The Freeport Theory of Bitcoin – Could BTC be the decentralized answer to offshore gold storage?
🔹 Are Stablecoins the Eurodollars of Crypto? – Haseeb lays out how stables quietly rewrote the financial system
🔹 Ethereum’s L2 Gamble – The panel debates if Ethereum’s scaling strategy caused value to bleed out
🔹 The DePIN Dilemma – Is decentralized infrastructure a dead-end or just early? Joe wants receipts
🔹 Crypto Social Media? – Joe’s skeptical: why decentralized comms hasn’t clicked yet
🔹 Utopia or Bust? – If crypto’s gonna be this expensive, Joe says it better deliver a better world
Hosts
⭐️Haseeb Qureshi, Managing Partner at Dragonfly
⭐️Robert Leshner, CEO & Co-founder of Superstate
⭐️Tarun Chitra, Managing Partner at Robot Ventures
⭐️Tom Schmidt, General Partner at Dragonfly
Guest
⭐️ Joe Weisenthal, Editor at Bloomberg
Disclosures
Timestamps
00:00 Intro
01:57 Bitcoin's Market Behavior
06:53 Bitcoin as a Safe Haven
15:56 Economic Value in Crypto
19:51 Stablecoins, NFTs, and Worldcoin
36:00 Blockchain's Value in Social Networks
41:20 Reality of Crypto Utopias
49:19 The Future of Stablecoins and Regulation
54:54 MicroStrategy and Bitcoin Investments
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1 Bits + Bips: Why It’s Time to Be More Bullish on Bitcoin - Ep. 827 1:26:45
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedWhile it’s been a calmer week in the markets (thank God!), there’s a lot to talk about! This week on Bits + Bips, hosts James Seyffart, Ram Ahluwalia, and Steven Ehrlich, along with guest Charles Edwards of Capriole Investments, dive into: Whether it’s time to be bullish on all crypto assets Whether a Trump put actually exists The risks behind bitcoin treasury companies like the new Twenty One Capital Why Solana ETFs might not be the smash success people expect The controversial invite to the White House for $TRUMP holders Why there’s a big disconnect in the markets Bitwise James Seyffart , Research Analyst at Bloomberg Intelligence Ram Ahluwalia , CFA, CEO and Founder of Lumida Steven Ehrlich , Executive Editor at Unchained Guest: Charles Edwards , Founder of Capriole Investments Twenty One: Recent coverage of Unchained on Twenty One: Why Twenty One Capital Is More About Volatility Than Bitcoin Twenty One Aims to Buy as Much Bitcoin as Possible. Can It Succeed? Press Release: Tether, SoftBank Group, and Jack Mallers Launch Twenty One, a Bitcoin-native Company, Through a Business Combination With Cantor Equity Partners Does The Market Still Control Trump? Donald Trump’s chaos has left investors with frayed nerves 4 of the Mag7 Reporting This Week Big Tech’s Earnings Problem Is Estimates May Be Way Too High $TRUMP Trump's Meme Coin Dinner Contest Earns Insiders $900,000 in Two Days Other: Apollo slides Timestamps: 👋 0:00 Introductions 🧠 3:22 Is the market controlling Trump or is Trump controlling the market? 📈 8:51 Can investors trust it if there’s a positive earnings season? 🚚 14:13 How tariffs are hitting supply chains and consumer goods 🏛️ 19:25 Is Twenty One Capital a threat to MicroStrategy? ⛏️ 31:19 What is the future of bitcoin miners? ⚡ 34:42 Will the Bitcoin corporate flywheel eventually break? 🔥 43:31 Can Solana holding companies follow MSTR? 🇨🇦 48:19 Wen Solana ETFs? \Poor early trading trends in Canada 🤔 53:50 Is there a silver lining to $TRUMP? 📊 1:06:30 Bitcoin strength: time to be bullish? 🌍 1:14:24 Macro wrap-up with tariffs, rate cuts, and global market risks Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices…
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1 Why Twenty One Capital Is More About Volatility Than Bitcoin - Ep. 826 1:15:14
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedThe race for Bitcoin supremacy just got more complicated. Twenty One Capital, backed by Tether, SoftBank, and Cantor Fitzgerald, plans to stack as much BTC as it possibly can. But is this new venture really about Bitcoin … or about creating a hyper-volatile stock to play market cycles? This week on Unchained, Jeff Park of Bitwise and Mark Palmer of Benchmark join to discuss: Why SoftBank and Tether are a “perfect match”—and why they turned to Bitcoin How volatility, not bitcoin itself, might be the real asset investors are buying What Cantor’s involvement says about Wall Street’s readiness for crypto Why the launch timing matters Whether Twenty One could repeat MicroStrategy’s mistakes Whether these new Bitcoin vehicles are better bets than spot bitcoin or ETFs Plus, is SoftBank getting into crypto a top signal? 👀 Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com Bitwise Jeff Park , Head of Alpha Strategies at Bitwise Mark Palmer , Senior Analyst at Benchmark Recent coverage of Unchained on Twenty One: Twenty One Aims to Buy as Much Bitcoin as Possible. Can It Succeed? Press Release: Tether, SoftBank Group, and Jack Mallers Launch Twenty One, a Bitcoin-native Company, Through a Business Combination With Cantor Equity Partners Jeff Park’s post on X Timestamps: 📰 0:00 Introduction 🚀 2:07 Why Jeff sees the Twenty One Capital launch as a huge development 🧠 6:09 How Twenty One might learn from MicroStrategy’s playbook 🏦 11:59 Risks of turning into the next Celsius, Voyager or Genesis 💸 18:52 Why Bitcoin needs income-generating activities to evolve 📊 21:17 How metrics like bitcoin per share bridge crypto and TradFi 🤝 30:16 Whether Tether’s participation makes sense 💍 34:18 Why Jeff thinks SoftBank and Tether are “a perfect match” 🚩 42:29 Is SoftBank entering crypto a top signal? 🏛️ 46:32 Why Cantor’s involvement shows Wall Street is serious 📈 50:24 Why bitcoin vehicle stocks trade at a premium 🗓️ 55:48 Why timing matters compared to MicroStrategy’s 2020 debut 🧮 1:00:06 How to decide between investing in vehicles, spot bitcoin, or ETFs 🌊 1:08:52 Whether SOL investment vehicles will have the same success as bitcoin ones Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices…
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1 The Chopping Block [LIVE]: Bitcoin Arms Race, Content Coin Chaos, and Ethereum’s Crossroads - Ep. 825 48:46
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedWelcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Tarun Chitra, and special guest David Hoffman break down the biggest stories in crypto. This week: MicroStrategy clones are popping up, with Bitcoin-backed SPACs trying to replay Saylor’s playbook. Meanwhile, Trump launches a memecoin for dinner invites, Zora kicks off a new era of “content coins,” and Ethereum faces an existential pivot. David Hoffman joins the crew to debate whether crypto’s future is real innovation—or just financial theater. Show highlights 🔹 Bitcoin vs Ethereum: Who Wins the Future? – Breaking down why Bitcoin could outgrow Ethereum… or why Ethereum might still be crypto’s last hope. 🔹 Can Content Coins Save Crypto? – Zora’s pivot and the rise of “content coins” spark a full-blown identity crisis for the industry. 🔹 Are We Just Rebranding Memecoins? – The crew debates whether “content coins” are innovation… or just the same casino with better UX. 🔹 The Culture Clash – Why crypto’s new apps feel like they’re built for millennials — and why Gen Z might just not care. 🔹 SoftBank, SPACs, and the Top Signal – 21Capital’s Bitcoin MicroStrategy clone is here. Are we seeing the beginning of the end… again? 🔹 Vitalik’s Existential Pivot – Ethereum is trying to save itself. But can it change fast enough to stay relevant? 🔹 Bitcoin’s Macro Moment – In a world of tariffs, inflation, and chaos, Bitcoin might accidentally become the next Federal Reserve. 🔹 Crypto’s Morality Crisis – Vitalik’s attack on “bad apps” raises a deeper question: what should crypto even be building anymore? ⭐️ Haseeb Qureshi , Managing Partner at Dragonfly ⭐️ Tarun Chitra , Managing Partner at Robot Ventures⭐️ Tom Schmidt , General Partner at Dragonfly Guest ⭐️ David Hoffman , Co-owner at Bankless Hosts Disclosures Timestamps 00:00 Intro 01:55 MicroStrategy Clones and Market Impact 13:40 Trump Coin and Its Controversies 20:35 Zora’s Content Coin vs. Jesse's Coining Controversy 26:56 Zora’s Market Position 32:29 Generational Divide in Crypto 39:32 Ethereum's Strategic Pivot Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices…
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1 Twenty One Aims to Buy as Much Bitcoin as Possible. Can It Succeed? - Ep. 824 49:08
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedA new company called Twenty One is making waves—with a launch strategy that echoes Strategy (formerly MicroStrategy), a cap table that includes Tether, SoftBank, and Cantor Fitzgerald, and a plan to acquire more Bitcoin than anyone else. They’re starting with 42,000 BTC, worth nearly $4 billion, and they’ve hinted they’ll use convertible debt, equity raises, and other market mechanics to buy more. But is this just a smarter MicroStrategy? Or a recipe for financial reflexivity gone wrong? In this episode, Matthew Sigel, head of digital assets research at VanEck, digs into: How the strategy works and why it could break What happens if the stock trades below NAV Why timing the market may be a feature, not a bug And whether this signals a new phase in corporate Bitcoin exposure Sigel also shares a bold idea for “BIT Bonds” that could let the U.S. Treasury issue Bitcoin-linked government debt. Could it work? Plus, Unchained regulatory reporter Veronica Irwin talks about her scoop that we might see a crypto market structure bill as early as this week. Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com Thank you to our sponsors! Bitkey : Use code UNCHAINED for 20% off FalconX Mantle Guest Matthew Sigel , Head of Digital Assets Research at VanEck Links Unchained: Press Release: Tether, SoftBank Group, and Jack Mallers Launch Twenty One, a Bitcoin-native Company, Through a Business Combination With Cantor Equity Partners The Block: Strike founder Jack Mallers to lead Tether-backed multi-billion bitcoin buying venture, Twenty One Capital Ryan Watkins’ post on X Jeff Park’s post on X Timestamps: 👋 0:00 Introduction 🚀 4:59 How Twenty One plans to buy more bitcoin than anyone else ⚠️ 7:23 The key risks behind the reflexive BTC acquisition strategy 📈 12:38 Why more companies are copying the MicroStrategy playbook 👔 16:17 Jack Mallers’ role and why the CFO matters even more here 💥 17:55 Could one bad move blow these companies up? 💰 22:28 The types of investors this model attracts ⏳ 25:40 Did Twenty One launch at the worst possible time? 🤔 26:58 How to think about investing in BTC vs. these BTC-heavy stocks 🇺🇸 28:23 Unchained regulatory reporter Veronica Irwin on why a market structure bill might be on its way relatively soon 📰 35:31 Crypto News Recap Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices…
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1 Is Bitcoin a Safe Haven? Market Correlation, Gold, and Macro Chaos – The Chopping Block - Ep. 823 1:07:45
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedWelcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Tarun Chitra, and Robert Leshner chop it up about the latest in crypto. In this episode, the crew is joined by special guest Joe Weisenthal, co-host of Bloomberg’s Odd Lots podcast, for a wide-ranging, unfiltered conversation. They dive into whether Bitcoin is becoming digital gold, why Ethereum’s value might be leaking away, and how stablecoins are quietly reshaping global finance. Joe challenges the panel on NFTs, DePIN, and whether any of crypto’s big promises have actually delivered. Plus, they debate the rise of MicroStrategy copycats, the failure of crypto social apps, and why Worldcoin’s orb-pilled vision might actually make sense. Show highlights 🔹 Bitcoin = Safe Haven? – Why BTC is acting like gold in a crisis while ETH and altcoins are tanking 🔹 Ethereum’s Value Leak – Joe questions why ETH hasn’t captured any upside from stablecoins or NFTs 🔹 The MicroStrategy Clone Wars – Solana copycats are trying the Saylor playbook… but will it work? 🔹 Worldcoin’s Creepy Appeal – Joe is orb-pilled: privacy is dead, but proof-of-personhood might just work 🔹 The Freeport Theory of Bitcoin – Could BTC be the decentralized answer to offshore gold storage? 🔹 Are Stablecoins the Eurodollars of Crypto? – Haseeb lays out how stables quietly rewrote the financial system 🔹 Ethereum’s L2 Gamble – The panel debates if Ethereum’s scaling strategy caused value to bleed out 🔹 The DePIN Dilemma – Is decentralized infrastructure a dead-end or just early? Joe wants receipts 🔹 Crypto Social Media? – Joe’s skeptical: why decentralized comms hasn’t clicked yet 🔹 Utopia or Bust? – If crypto’s gonna be this expensive, Joe says it better deliver a better world Hosts ⭐️ Haseeb Qureshi , Managing Partner at Dragonfly ⭐️ Robert Leshner , CEO & Co-founder of Superstate ⭐️ Tarun Chitra , Managing Partner at Robot Ventures ⭐️ Tom Schmidt , General Partner at Dragonfly Guest ⭐️ Joe Weisenthal , Editor at Bloomberg Disclosures Timestamps 00:00 Intro 01:57 Bitcoin's Market Behavior 06:53 Bitcoin as a Safe Haven 15:56 Economic Value in Crypto 19:51 Stablecoins, NFTs, and Worldcoin 36:00 Blockchain's Value in Social Networks 41:20 Reality of Crypto Utopias 49:19 The Future of Stablecoins and Regulation 54:54 MicroStrategy and Bitcoin Investments Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices…
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1 Bits + Bips: Why a Trump vs. Fed Showdown Would Crush the U.S. Dollar - Ep. 822 1:10:17
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedAn independent Federal Reserve has long been the cornerstone of U.S. economic stability, but what happens when that foundation is shaken? In this week’s episode of Bits + Bips, the panel digs into one of the most dramatic threats yet to financial markets: Donald Trump’s suggestion that he could fire Fed Chair Jerome Powell. It’s not just political theater, it’s a potential major blow to the credibility of the U.S. dollar and the independence of the world’s most important central bank. Joining the panel is Zach Pandl, Head of Research at Grayscale, who explores why a rotation away from U.S. dollar assets might already be happening and what that means for bitcoin. Plus: Why the Fed’s independence is so crucial The telltale signs of a structural capital rotation out of the U.S. Whether bitcoin has officially decoupled from equities How young crypto HODLers will react to their first bear market And why this moment may look more like Argentina than America Show highlights: Sponsors: Bitwise Hosts: Alex Kruger , Founder of Asgard Ram Ahluwalia , CFA, CEO and Founder of Lumida Steven Ehrlich , Executive Editor at Unchained Guest: Zach Pandl , Head of Research at Grayscale Links Trump Threatening Powell New York Times: Risk of Financial Panic Tempers Trump on Firing Powell Barrons: Trump Calls Powell a ‘Major Loser.’ 3 Ways He Could Sideline the Fed Chair Inconsistencies in Hard v. Soft Data Wall Street Journal: Trump Is Everywhere Except in the Economic Data Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia: Carefully Balancing Both Hard and Soft Data in Policy Discussions Dropping Dollar CNBC: U.S. Dollar Falls to Three-Year Low as Trump’s Powell Threats Further Dent Investor Confidence New York Times: The Dollar Keeps Falling as Its ‘Safe Haven’ Status Is Questioned Bitcoin Decoupling CNBC: Bitcoin Retakes $90,000 as Investors See It as Alternative to Diving Dollar and Turbulent Stocks Decrypt: Bitcoin Decoupling? BTC Rises as Equity Markets Swoon Timestamps: 👋 0:00 Intro 👀 3:44 Could Trump really fire Powell? And what would that mean for the Fed’s credibility 👷13:01 Why the Fed is seeing conflicting signals from the economy 📈📉 20:07 If Trump keeps Powell for now, how will the market react? 🚪 24:49 Why capital is rotating out of the U.S. and how it is such a big moment for bitcoin. 🤕 31:37 How much further the dollar could fall in this cycle? 🔗 42:43 Has bitcoin finally decoupled, and could it become a global reserve currency? 🧑💻 50:11 How the young age of crypto holders could reshape market dynamics 🧠 1:04:26 What specific things Ram, Alex, and Zach are watching now across macro and crypto Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices…
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1 How Asia's Crypto Communities View the Tariffs and Trump's Embrace of Crypto 1:21:44
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedThe U.S. is rattled by tariffs, economic uncertainty, and political U-turns on crypto. But across Asia, the response has been … different. In this episode of Unchained, we check in with two of the sharpest observers of Asia’s crypto landscape: Emily Parker, China and Japan advisor of the Global Blockchain Business Council, and Yat Siu, chairman of Animoca Brands. They unpack how Asia views the Trump crypto pivot, what’s actually happening inside China, why Hong Kong may be the most important jurisdiction in crypto right now, and how Japan and Korea are quietly shaping the future of regulation, stablecoins, and DeFi. Plus: Is crypto really banned in China? Why Korea is lifting its “shadow ban” Why crypto gaming is thriving in Asia And what the West can learn from it all Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com Thank you to our sponsors! Bitwise Guests: Emily Parker , China and Japan Advisor at the Global Blockchain Business Council Yat Siu , Chairman of Animoca Brands Links WSJ: Crypto Is Illegal in China. Binance Does $90 Billion of Business There Anyway. Timestamps: 🌏 0:00 Introduction 😌 5:43 Why Chinese sentiment around tariffs is calmer than in the U.S. 🗣️ 8:24 What crypto conversations are really about in China right now 🔁 11:28 How Asia reacted to the U.S. crypto U-turn under Trump 🏦 20:13 Are Asian nations quietly building up bitcoin reserves? 📜 23:19 How Asia has more regulatory clarity than the U.S. 📈 25:13 Why crypto adoption in Asia is outpacing that of other regions 🇰🇷 30:22 Why DeFi hasn’t taken off yet in South Korea – Don’t miss this! 🌐 38:05 The potential rise of non-USD stablecoins in Asia 👀 43:52 Is crypto actually banned in China? 💴 55:51 Whether the digital yuan is being adopted 🔓 1:00:28 Korea potentially lifting its “shadow ban” on institutional crypto investment? 📊 1:05:15 Why some Asian companies choose to IPO in the U.S. and whether more are coming 🎮 1:10:21 What’s really happening with Web3 gaming in Asia right now Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices…
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1 Jesse Pollak on ‘Base Is for Everyone’ + Guy Young and Carlos Domingo on Converge - Ep. 820 1:16:27
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedThis week on Unchained: two big stories, one episode. First, Jesse Pollak, head of Coinbase’s L2 Base, joins to unpack the chaos behind the viral “Coined It” memecoin moment, a tweet-turned-token that hit $17M in an hour, crashed, then rebounded, igniting a firestorm on Crypto Twitter. Was it a media experiment or a botched launch? Was there insider trading? And why does Jesse think coins are the future of creator monetization? Then, we dive into Converge, the recently announced chain backed by Ethena and Securitize, aiming to bridge TradFi and DeFi. Carlos Domingo and Guy Young explain what makes Converge technically novel, why they’re building on Arbitrum and Celestia, and how it could reshape the onchain landscape for institutions. Also in this episode: Whether Jesse regrets greenlighting the Base post The future of creator coins and tokenized assets How Converge plans to prevent hacks and improve UX And why Converge isn’t just about migrating existing assets, but “expanding the pie” Thank you to our sponsors! Bitkey : Use code UNCHAINED for 20% off FalconX Mantle Part 1 Jesse Pollak , Head of Base and Coinbase Wallet On Wednesday, Coinbase’s layer 2 network Base posted a tweet that read: “Base is for everyone,” followed by a tweet: “Coined it.” That second tweet linked to a page where the post had already been turned into a coin. Within an hour, the coin hit a $17 million market cap, then dropped to under $2 million, then went back up to over $13 million. Crypto Twitter exploded. Some called it a rug. Others accused insiders of sniping the launch. Coinbase later issued a statement saying that Zora auto-tokenizes content, but Jesse Pollak, head of Base, tweeted that he personally greenlit the post. So what really happened? In this episode, Jesse sits down with Laura to discuss: Whether this was a memecoin launch or a media experiment Why he thinks the crypto community overreacted Whether insider trading occurred And why he believes coins, not NFTs, are the future of creator monetization Plus, he explains why he’s okay being the “punching bag.” Part 2 A month ago, Converge was announced as the new chain backed by Ethena and Securitize, aiming to become a home for tokenized assets and institutional capital. On Thursday, the teams behind it released the full technical specs. From validator-triggered circuit breakers to 100ms block times and support for yield-generating private credit, Converge is pitching itself as the chain for both TradFi and DeFi. In this episode, Securitize’s Carlos Domingo and Ethena’s Guy Young join Unchained to explain what’s actually novel in this architecture, why they chose Arbitrum and Celestia, and what it will take for institutions to get comfortable onchain. Plus: What Converge means for Ethereum and other L2s Whether gas tokens like USDe and USDtb solve real UX problems How they plan to prevent bridge-based hacks And why this isn’t just about migrating existing assets, but “expanding the pie” Guest Carlos Domingo , co-founder and CEO of Securitize Guy Young , founder of Ethena Labs Links Previous coverage of Unchained on Ethena: After an Incredible 2024 for USDe, Ethena Plans to Supercharge Growth Ethena’s USDe Grew to $2 Billion in 7 Weeks. Is It Safe? How Ethena’s USDe Challenges Traditional Stablecoin Models Unchained: Tokenized T-Bills Grow Despite Trump Tariffs Causing U.S. Treasuries Sell-off Tokenized Treasuries Grow 20X Faster Than Stablecoins as Crypto Market Languishes Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices…
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1 The Chopping Block: OM’s Collapse, Vitalik’s Morality Test, & Tariff Chaos - Ep. 819 57:10
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedWelcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Tarun Chitra, and Robert Leshner chop it up about the latest in crypto. In this episode, the crew dives into the drama surrounding the OM token crash, the murky world of fake market caps, and Binance’s role in fueling questionable projects. They unpack Trump’s tariff chaos and whether Bitcoin could emerge as the real winner in a broken economic order. Plus, Vitalik stirs the pot by calling out “bad apps” like Pump.fun—igniting a moral war over what crypto should be building. Listen to the episode on Apple Podcasts , Spotify , Pods , Fountain , Podcast Addict , Pocket Casts , Amazon Music , or on your favorite podcast platform. Show highlights 🔹 OM Token Implodes – How a top-25 token collapsed 90% in 90 minutes and why it exposed deeper issues with fake float 🔹 Market Cap Manipulation – Haseeb breaks down how teams game CoinGecko, and why circulating supply might be mostly fiction 🔹 Binance Listings = Domain Squatting? – The crew explores how projects “reverse-merge” into dead tokens to skip the line 🔹 Coffeezilla Strikes Again – The panel reacts to OM founder’s bizarre interview and what it reveals about crypto’s accountability gap 🔹 Should Exchanges Demand Disclosures? – A fiery debate on whether market making agreements should be public 🔹 Tarun Goes Full Macro – Why Trump’s tariffs could actually boost Bitcoin—and what capital flight means for crypto 🔹 Vitalik’s App Morality Test – Did he go too far calling Pump.fun a “bad” app? The panel isn’t so sure 🔹 Ethereum’s Vibe Crisis – Solana and Base push back as Vitalik gets philosophical about the soul of crypto 🔹 Is Railgun the Real Hero? – Tarun questions Vitalik’s taste in apps and whether ideological projects matter if no one uses them 🔹 Regulation Without Regulators – Can the industry police itself, or is it time for a new kind of crypto SRO? Hosts ⭐️ Haseeb Qureshi , Managing Partner at Dragonfly ⭐️ Robert Leshner , CEO & Co-founder of Superstate ⭐️ Tarun Chitra , Managing Partner at Robot Ventures ⭐️ Tom Schmidt , General Partner at Dragonfly Disclosures Links Use Code CHOPINNOVATE, for tickets to the U.S. Innovation in Crypto conference at Cornell Tech on Roosevelt Island (NYC): cbc25.eventbrite.com Timestamps 00:00 Intro 02:47 Trump's Tariff Turmoil 15:48 Mantra's OM Token Controversy 29:42 Crypto Disclosures & Market Making Agreements 31:49 Debate on Exchange Incentives & Market Maker Costs 33:57 The Role of Self-Regulation in Crypto Exchanges 44:15 Vitalik's Views on Blockchain Ethics 56:33 Upcoming Live Event Announcement Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices…
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1 Bits + Bips: How to Reignite Market Confidence Amid Tariff Turmoil - Ep. 818 1:17:53
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedMarkets are nervous, liquidity is drying up, and political messaging is inconsistent at best. In this week’s Bits + Bips, the crew unpacks the shifting mood across capital markets and what it will take to bring back the risk-on energy. From Trump’s high-stakes tariff strategy to whispers of deregulation, tax cuts, and even capital flooding, the stakes are rising. Plus: What would trigger a “Trump put” Will crypto finally benefit from the global chaos? Whether the devaluation of the yuan could be a big moment And how animal spirits might return… if they’re properly incentivized Show highlights: Sponsors: Bitwise Hosts: James Seyffart , Research Analyst at Bloomberg Intelligence Joe McCann , Founder, CEO, and CIO of Asymmetric Ram Ahluwalia , CFA, CEO and Founder of Lumida Noelle Acheson , Author of the “Crypto Is Macro Now” Newsletter Links Newsweek: Steve Bannon's 'Flood the Zone' Strategy Explained Amid Trump Policy Blitz Cointelegraph: Senator Tim Scott is confident market structure bill passed by August CoinDesk: Donald Trump's Memecoin Faces Massive $320M Token Unlock Amid Record Low Price Decrypt: Canada to Launch 'World First' Spot Solana ETFs With Staking This Week: Balchunas YouTube: The Great Tariff Debate with David Sacks, Larry Summers, and Ezra Klein Bloomberg: Investors Fear Another Big Blowup of Basis Trade as Treasuries Lose Haven Status Wall Street Journal: China’s March Lending Jumped on Government Stimulus Push CoinTelegraph: Bitcoin Shows Growing Strength During Market Downturn — Wintermute Timestamps: 👋 0:00 Intro 🥊 1:54 Who won the All-In Sacks vs. Summers debate? 🌍 8:01 Why Trump’s 130-country strategy might reshape global trade 💧 18:32 Does the market have a creeping liquidity crisis? 📈 26:15 What might actually make Trump pivot before the midterms 📉 32:18 How hedge funds are quietly bracing for more chaos 🥇 36:52 Why gold and crypto are standing out in this macro mess 🎭 40:15 How Trump’s love of media attention impacts his strategy 🚀 48:02 What might finally reignite serious crypto interest 🧠 53:01 Can investor confidence return without real economic momentum? 💣 1:08:27 Why the yuan’s devaluation could be a major crypto inflection point 🐉 1:14:02 Ram’s strategy to disrupt China’s power plays Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices…
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1 Bitcoin to $200K+ This Year? These 2 Crypto Investors Think So - Ep. 817 57:37
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedThe crypto markets are at a crossroads. While macro chaos — tariff whiplash, rising yields, and inflation fears — continues to dominate headlines, bitcoin has barely budged. And some say that’s exactly the signal. In this episode, Matt Hougan of Bitwise and Matthew Sheffield of FalconX join Laura to unpack the tension between short-term volatility and long-term conviction. They explore why this cycle may look very different from previous ones, how institutional capital is navigating crypto, and whether we’re entering a new era defined by fundamentals, not just narratives. Plus: Why bitcoin might hit $200K, what Ethereum needs to reclaim momentum, and the real potential of DeFi under this new administration. Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com Thank you to our sponsors! Bitwise Human Rights Foundation Guest: Matt Hougan , CIO of Bitwise Previous appearances on Unchained: How Small Bitcoin ETF Issuers Will Compete With the Likes of BlackRock Why a Spot Bitcoin ETF Will Probably Launch No Later Than January 10 Matthew Sheffield , Senior Trader at FalconX Links Subscribe to our new crypto + macro newsletter! https://bitsandbips.beehiiv.com/subscribe Recent coverage of Unchained on the economy and tariffs: Why CoinFund Believes There’s Still a Strong Bull Case for Bitcoin and Crypto Arthur Hayes on Why Tariffs Will Be Good for Bitcoin and Crypto Bits + Bips: Why a U.S. Recession May Be Coming — And Still Isn’t Priced In Bits + Bips: Trump’s Tariffs Are Causing Mayhem, But Will They Revive U.S. Manufacturing? Trump Tariffs Sink Crypto, BlackRock Pumps Bitcoin’s Bags Why Trump-Induced Stagflation Could Finally Make Bitcoin a Safe Haven In Market Crash, What Should You Buy? Crypto VCs Are Making These Bets Bitcoin Tops $83,000 as Tariff Pause Sends Markets Soaring Crypto Traders See Another $1B Liquidated Amid Tariff Turbulence Recession incoming? Ray Dalio’s remarks on Meet the Press Timestamps: 📍 0:00 Introduction 🧠 3:48 “An extraordinary moment to live in,” says Matt ⚖️ 5:21 The growing disconnect between long-term belief and short-term pain 🔍 7:40 Why fundamentals are finally taking center stage in investor analysis 🐻 12:34 Solana’s memecoin reputation… can it shake the stigma? 🏛️ 14:29 How ETFs permanently changed crypto market dynamics 📉 15:27 What the 10-year treasury is telling us about bitcoin’s next move 📊 20:28 What crypto options are revealing about investor sentiment 📈 22:33 Whether Ray Dalio is right about where the U.S. economy is headed 💵 28:16 What a weaker dollar means for bitcoin’s value 🚀 31:17 Is $200K bitcoin coming? And who will drive it there? 🌊 38:55 What has to happen for alt season to actually return 🔄 44:40 What light ETF outflows since “Liberation Day” mean 📈 51:10 Why crypto IPO demand is heating up ⚖️ 54:37 DeFi’s big regulatory moment and why the market might be missing it Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices…
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1 Why CoinFund Believes There’s Still a Strong Bull Case for Bitcoin and Crypto - Ep. 816 39:22
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedTariffs were back on the table, and then they weren’t. Last week, the Trump administration stunned markets with an announcement of sweeping new tariffs, including a 10% blanket rate and a 125% tariff on Chinese imports. But within days, most of those tariffs were put on a 90-day pause. The result? A rollercoaster in equities, credit, and crypto… and plenty of questions about what’s really next. Seth Ginns, managing partner at CoinFund, is watching all of this closely. He says the data is flashing stress, but underneath, something else is building. In this episode, Seth breaks down: Why tariffs hit crypto harder than most investors expected The metrics that could signal the next macro moves and their impact on digital assets Why he’s still cautiously bullish, even amid volatility Whether an altcoin season is coming Why Bitcoin’s safe haven narrative might finally be tested Why the Trump administration’s policies, despite the turbulence, boost crypto Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com Thank you to our sponsors! BitKey : Use code UNCHAINED for 20% off FalconX Mantle Guest Seth Ginns , Managing Partner at CoinFund Links Subscribe to our new crypto + macro newsletter! https://bitsandbips.beehiiv.com/subscribe Recent coverage of Unchained on the economy and tariffs: Arthur Hayes on Why Tariffs Will Be Good for Bitcoin and Crypto Bits + Bips: Why a U.S. Recession May Be Coming — And Still Isn’t Priced In Bits + Bips: Trump’s Tariffs Are Causing Mayhem, But Will They Revive U.S. Manufacturing? Trump Tariffs Sink Crypto, BlackRock Pumps Bitcoin’s Bags Why Trump-Induced Stagflation Could Finally Make Bitcoin a Safe Haven In Market Crash, What Should You Buy? Crypto VCs Are Making These Bets Bitcoin Tops $83,000 as Tariff Pause Sends Markets Soaring Crypto Traders See Another $1B Liquidated Amid Tariff Turbulence Timestamps: 👋 0:00 Intro 🔁 3:23 Why Trump reversed course on the sweeping tariff announcement 📉 6:33 How tariffs ripple through crypto harder than most expect 🔍 8:38 What CoinFund is watching in macro — and where the silver linings might be ⚖️ 13:48 Why Seth urges short-term caution but sees long-term tailwinds 🚀 16:14 Could altcoins actually run? Here’s how Seth defines a real “alt season” 🏦 19:13 Is this the moment Bitcoin becomes a true safe haven asset? 💰 21:56 Will new stimulus hinge on tariffs — or something else entirely? ✅ 25:11 Why Seth is surprisingly optimistic about Trump’s crypto policy so far 📰 28:27 News Recap Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices…
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1 The Chopping Block: Bitcoin’s 200K Dream, Tariff Nightmares, & the Altcoin Exodus - Ep. 815 1:05:19
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedWelcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Tarun Chitra, and Robert Leshner chop it up about the latest in crypto. In this episode, the crew is joined by Jeff Park, Alpha Liaison at Bitwise, for a deep dive into the chaos gripping global markets and what it all means for crypto. With tariffs ripping through equities and whispers of stagflation on the rise, Jeff breaks down why Bitcoin might still be headed for $200K – and why MicroStrategy might be the new altcoin. They also unpack Circle’s delayed IPO, Ripple’s $1.25B acquisition, and whether capital markets are finally warming up to crypto. Show highlights 🔹 Bitcoin’s $200K Endgame? – Bitwise’s Jeff Park explains why BTC could thrive even in stagflation or full-on macro chaos 🔹 Tariffs, Stagflation & the Dollar – Why Trump’s “Liberation Day” tariffs might mark the end of U.S. stock market dominance 🔹 Bitcoin vs. Gold – Jeff breaks down how BTC is winning over the next-gen investor as the ultimate store of value 🔹 Altcoins Are Just Leverage – Why institutions may abandon alts for Bitcoin ETF options and MicroStrategy exposure 🔹 Circle’s IPO Delay – What Circle’s numbers really show, and why Coinbase is eating half their yield 🔹 Ripple Buys Hidden Road – The biggest crypto M&A ever? What it means for prime brokerage and TradFi on-chain 🔹 The Return of the Bitcoin Wolves – Jeff’s theory on “positive vs. negative rho” Bitcoin and how both narratives can win 🔹 The Impossible Trinity – Jeff connects the dots between FX regimes, U.S. dollar hegemony, and Bitcoin’s global role 🔹 Crypto’s Macro Decoupling – The panel debates whether Bitcoin is finally unhooking from traditional risk assets 🔹 The “Altcoin of TradFi” – MicroStrategy’s secret sauce, and why it’s become Wall Street’s favorite crypto casino Hosts ⭐️ Haseeb Qureshi , Managing Partner at Dragonfly ⭐️ Robert Leshner , CEO & Co-founder of Superstate ⭐️ Tom Schmidt , General Partner at Dragonfly Guest ⭐️ Jeff Park , Head of Alpha Strategies & PM at Bitwise Asset Management Disclosures Links Circle S-1 Filing https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1876042/000119312525070481/d737521ds1.htm Ripple Acquires Prime Broker Hidden Road for $1.25B in One of the Largest Deals in the Digital Assets Space https://ripple.com/ripple-press/ripple-acquires-prime-broker-hidden-road/ Timestamps - 0:00 Intro 02:49 Impact of Tariffs on Crypto 03:27 Bitcoin's Role in Investment Portfolios 06:14 Retail vs. Institutional Investors 07:29 Bitcoin's Sensitivity to Interest Rates 12:31 Altcoins & Institutional Interest 15:02 MicroStrategy: The Altcoin of TradFi 23:25 Geopolitical Implications of Tariffs 36:55 Global Currency Models & Bitcoin's Role 38:20 Bitcoin's Performance in Different Economic Scenarios 45:12 Circle's IPO & Business Viability 57:31 Ripple Labs' Acquisition of Hidden Road Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices…
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1 Bits + Bips: Why a U.S. Recession May Be Coming — And Still Isn’t Priced In - Ep. 814 1:13:43
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedThe markets are rattled. Tariffs are rising. Investors are pulling back. In this week’s Bits + Bips, the panel digs into what’s really driving the selloff, why the Fed may be stuck, and how Trump’s tariff logic could trigger deeper economic shocks than anyone expects. Plus: Whether Bitcoin becomes a safe haven What makes this downturn different from 2022 and 2020 Why a potential recession still isn’t priced in Whether Congress can take the tariff button away from Trump And yes, Ram coins a new term: FAFO tariffs 😀 Sponsors: Bitwise Hosts: James Seyffart , Research Analyst at Bloomberg Intelligence Alex Kruger , Founder of Asgard Ram Ahluwalia , CFA, CEO and Founder of Lumida Noelle Acheson , Author of the “Crypto Is Macro Now” Newsletter Links Tariffs: Recent coverage of Unchained on the economy and tariffs: Arthur Hayes on Why Tariffs Will Be Good for Bitcoin and Crypto Bits + Bips: Trump’s Tariffs Are Causing Mayhem, But Will They Revive U.S. Manufacturing? Trump Tariffs Sink Crypto, BlackRock Pumps Bitcoin’s Bags Why Trump-Induced Stagflation Could Finally Make Bitcoin a Safe Haven In Market Crash, What Should You Buy? Crypto VCs Are Making These Bets 10-year yield and the Fed CNBC: 10-year Treasury yield rises back above 4% despite tariff threat to growth Reuters: No Fed 'put' when it's unclear which way the economy may pivot 2008 Market Crash Federal Reserve: The Great Recession and Its Aftermath CNN: Bailout Plan Rejected - Supporters Scramble Can Congress Step In? Economist: How Donald Trump’s Tariffs Will Probably Fare in Court Politico: Trump Threatens Veto of Bill to Curb Tariff Power Timestamps: 👋 0:00 Intro 📉 3:30 Why this selloff feels nothing like 2022 or 2020 🪞 8:41 Why buying signals could be a mirage 🤔 11:28 Is the bear market already priced in? What investors are missing. 🏚️ 14:35 Could this turn into a fall “2008 scenario”? And what real buyers are doing now 🧮 25:57 Why Trump’s tariff math is wrong, and how it will create problems for the administration 📈 36:15 Why Trump wants the 10-year yield down, and why he’s failing 🛟 39:59 What counts as a safe haven right now, and is bitcoin one of them? 🏦 52:42 Can the Fed stand up to Trump’s pressure to cut rates? 🚫 57:56 Trump thinks that the trade deficit is a profit/loss statement. Why that’s a problem. ⚖️ 1:01:19 Can Congress pull Trump’s tariff authority? 💵 1:06:32 Can stablecoins save dollar demand? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices…
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1 Arthur Hayes on Why Tariffs Will Be Good for Bitcoin and Crypto - Ep. 813 1:06:55
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedTradFi and DeFi markets are in motion, responding to Trump’s tariffs, but a giant injection of liquidity could be on the way. Maelstrom CIO Arthur Hayes provides his expertise on economic policy, macro movements, and political implications, delving into a variety of topics, including: Trump’s rationale for tariffs The possibility of a “fiat liquidity bonanza” and what it means for crypto What the Hyperliquid brouhaha reveals about decentralization dreams How Ethena might be an attack on Ethereum The value prop of Circle’s IPO Future price expectations for BTC, ETH, and SOL Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com Thank you to our sponsors! Bitwise HRF Guest: Arthur Hayes , CIO of Maelstrom Previous appearances on Unchained: How Arthur Hayes Has Prepared His Portfolio for the Elections Links Previous coverage on Unchained: Trump Tariffs Sink Crypto, BlackRock Pumps Bitcoin’s Bags Why Trump-Induced Stagflation Could Finally Make Bitcoin a Safe Haven Tariffs, Hyperliquid, and $1 million Bitcoin Arthur Hayes on X: Tariffs = money printer goes brrrr Arthur Hayes on X: Is Trump trying to trigger a mini financial crisis? Arthur Hayes on X: CZ and Star ‘gang up’ on HyperLiquid Kevin Zhou on X: Binance and OKX listing $JELLY sets a precedent DL News: Arthur Hayes on the one reason that tariffs can’t stop Bitcoin’s surge Trump pardon: CFTC.gov: Federal Court Orders BitMEX’s Three Co-Founders to Pay a Total of $30 Million for Illegally Operating a Cryptocurrency Derivatives Trading Platform and Anti-Money Laundering Violations | CFTC (May 2022) Justice.gov: Southern District of New York | Global Cryptocurrency Exchange BitMEX Fined $100 Million For Violating Bank Secrecy Act | United States Department of Justice (Jan 2025) CNBC: Politics Trump pardons three BitMEX crypto exchange co-founders, and ex-employee Timestamps: 👋0:00 Intro 😰 4:07 Does Trump’s tariff rationale make sense? 💲 10:49 The upcoming “fiat liquidity bonanza” and what it means for crypto 🫤 20:18 What’s wrong with a Bitcoin Strategic Reserve? 💥 24:20 The Hyperliquid brouhaha and the decentralization pipe dream 💪 32:04 Why Binance and OKX “fatal blow” on Hyperliquid didn’t work ⚖️ 37:57 Trump’s pardon of Hayes and his visit to Mar-a-Lago 👀 46:27 How Ethena’s Converge chain affects Ethereum 🤼♀️ 52:58 SOL vs ETH: Which is a better buy right now? 😬 57:12 Hayes’ opinion of USDC’s Circle filing for an IPO 🤔 1:00:18 How does Hayes suss out potential investments? 📈 1:03:11 Price predictions on BTC, ETH and SOL Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices…
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