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Welcome to IndoctriNation: A weekly podcast covering cults, manipulators, and protecting yourself from systems of control.
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This is just a preview of our Patreon exclusive Bonus Episode. You can hear the full episode by becoming a member at: https://www.patreon.com/indoctrination In this insightful bonus episode, Rachel dives into the phenomenon of "cult hopping," a term used to describe the pattern of individuals moving from one high-control environment to another…
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The Mind Is Burning with Jonathan Hirsch
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1:07:24In this thought-provoking episode, Rachel welcomes back Jonathan Hirsch, an award-winning podcast producer and founder of Neon Hum Media, to discuss his powerful journey growing up in a cult led by Franklin Jones. Jonathan shares his experiences of navigating the complexities of being raised in a high-control environment, and the emotional turmoil …
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Unraveling Propaganda with Dr. Olga Yurkova
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1:19:31In this powerful episode, Rachel reconnects with Ukrainian journalist and co-founder of stopfake.org, Dr. Olga Yurkova, who has been at the forefront of combating Russian propaganda and misinformation. Following their previous conversations, Olga provides an update on the devastating impact of the ongoing war in Ukraine, which has led to immense su…
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BONUS EPISODE PREVIEW: Apocalyptic Thinking pt. 2
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6:24This is just a preview of our Patreon exclusive Bonus Episode. You can hear the full episode by becoming a member at: https://www.patreon.com/indoctrination In this engaging follow-up to part one, Rachel continues her exploration of apocalyptic thinking, delving deeper into the psychological foundations that contribute to this mindset. Buildin…
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In this compelling episode, Rachel speaks with Michelle Moffitt, a licensed therapist and the author of "Cracked Open: A Journey to a Resilient and Independent Mindset, who specializes in helping individuals navigate anxiety, identity struggles, and the impact of religious trauma. Michelle shares her personal journey of escaping a high-control reli…
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The Instability of Truth with Rebecca Lemov
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1:19:42In this enlightening episode, Rachel engages in a deep conversation with Rebecca Lemov, a historian of science at Harvard University, whose research focuses on brainwashing, mind control, and hyper persuasion. As they explore the malleability of truth and identity, Rebecca shares her journey from anthropology to the history of science, where her fa…
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BONUS EPISODE PREVIEW: Apocalyptic Thinking pt. 1
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5:59This is just a preview of our Patreon exclusive Bonus Episode. You can hear the full episode by becoming a member at: https://www.patreon.com/indoctrination In this thought-provoking bonus episode, Rachel dives into the complex world of apocalyptic thinking, exploring its historical roots and psychological implications. This first part of…
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Behind the Curtain of Landmark with Michael Yoder
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1:22:08In this thought-provoking episode, Rachel engages in a captivating conversation with Michael Yoder, a writer and composer from Victoria, British Columbia. Michael shares his personal journey through the Landmark Forum, a self-help program that he initially found appealing but soon discovered to be rife with manipulative tactics and coercive practic…
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Cult Hopping Chronicles pt. 2: Unraveling The Threads Of Control with Cara Cordoni
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1:24:02In this powerful conclusion to Rachel's conversation with Cara Cordoni, the complexities of navigating high-control environments are brought to light. Cara, a seasoned leadership coach and survivor of multiple cult experiences, shares her harrowing journey through the International School of Temple Arts (ISTA) and the manipulative tactics employed …
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BONUS EPISODE PREVIEW-The Dynamics of Consent: Freedom vs. Coercion pt. 2
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5:35This is just a preview of our Patreon exclusive Bonus Episode. You can hear the full episode by becoming a member at: https://www.patreon.com/indoctrination In this enlightening continuation of our Patreon exclusive bonus episode, Rachel delves deeper into the intricate and often misrepresented topic of consent, particularly within high-control…
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Cult Hopping Chronicles pt. 1: A Journey Through Control and Liberation with Cara Cordoni
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1:15:03In this compelling episode, Rachel engages in a deep and revealing conversation with Cara Cordoni, a certified leadership coach and survivor of multiple cult experiences. This is part one of their two-part discussion, where Cara shares her journey through the labyrinth of cults, from her early encounters with a charismatic individual in San Francis…
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UNLOCKED BONUS EPISODE-Chaos & Control: Navigating Information Overload PT. 1
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25:06I originally released this episode as a Patreon exclusive, but I'm making this episode available to all listeners due to its timely relevance to current events. As our nation experiences unprecedented political turbulence, understanding how to process the constant flow of information becomes more important than ever. In Chaos and Control part 1, I …
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BONUS EPISODE PREVIEW-The Dynamics of Consent: Freedom vs. Coercion pt. 1
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5:14This is just a preview of our Patreon exclusive Bonus Episode. You can hear the full episode by becoming a member at: https://www.patreon.com/indoctrination In this thought-provoking bonus episode, Rachel dives deep into the complex and often misunderstood topic of consent. With a powerful exploration of how consent can be manipulated, she high…
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In this gripping episode, Rachel welcomes Beth Granger, a courageous survivor of a Christian cult. Beth shares her harrowing journey from being raised in a controlling environment to her eventual escape at the age of 31. Now a teacher, wife, and mother, Beth has dedicated her life to helping others heal from the long-term impacts of religious traum…
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The Absurdity of Belief with Jon Atack
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1:08:04In the latest episode, Rachel had the privilege of speaking once again with Jon Atack, a renowned expert on authoritarian cult groups and the author of several influential books, including "Let's Sell These People a Piece of Blue Sky." Jon has spent decades studying the psychological mechanisms that underpin cult behavior, and his insights are both…
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BONUS EPISODE PREVIEW- Navigating Moral Injury: Healing After Cult Involvement
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6:18This is just a preview of our Patreon exclusive Bonus Episode. You can hear the full episode by becoming a member at: https://www.patreon.com/indoctrination In this thought-provoking bonus episode, Rachel addresses the often-overlooked topic of moral injury experienced by ex-cult members. She delves into the psychological, social, and spiritual dis…
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Clearly Lies Are True: Surviving Scientology Pt.2 w/ Pamela Nickel Williams
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1:27:40In this powerful continuation of Rachel's conversation with Pamela Nickel Williams, the two delve deeper into Pamela's traumatic experiences growing up in Scientology and the complex dynamics of her family relationships. Pamela shares her painful journey of reconciling her childhood memories, including the sexual abuse she suffered at the hands of …
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Clearly Lies Are True: Surviving Scientology Pt.1 w/ Pamela Nickel Williams
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1:33:32In this compelling episode, Rachel Bernstein sits down with Pamela Nickel Williams, a former member of Scientology and an accomplished educator, to explore her harrowing journey from childhood within the church to becoming a survivor and advocate. Pamela was born into Scientology, with parents who were early followers and worked closely with L. Ron…
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BONUS EPISODE PREVIEW-Resisting Cultic Thinking: Strategies for Empowerment
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5:32This is just a preview of our Patreon exclusive Bonus Episode. You can hear the full episode by becoming a member at: https://www.patreon.com/indoctrination In this insightful bonus episode, Rachel delves into the critical topic of resisting cultic thinking. She begins by defining cultic thinking and its impact on individual identity, highlightin…
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Understanding Pathological Manipulation with Dr. Peter Salerno
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1:33:47In this enlightening episode, Rachel engages with Dr. Peter Salerno, a licensed psychotherapist and trauma-informed educator, to discuss the complex dynamics of pathological relationship abuse and the psychological impact of cultic environments. Drawing from his extensive experience and personal journey, Dr. Salerno sheds light on the characteristi…
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The Art of Pretending: Unmasking Con Artists with Javier Leiva
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1:26:24In this thought-provoking episode, Rachel welcomes Javier Leiva, a true crime podcaster and storyteller, to explore the intricate world of con artists and cult leaders. With his extensive background in journalism, Javier shares his insights into the psychology of deception and manipulation, drawing from his experiences with notorious fraudsters and…
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BONUS EPISODE PREVIEW: Chaos & Control: Navigating Information Overload pt.2
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5:34This is just a preview of our Patreon exclusive Bonus Episode. You can hear the full episode by becoming a member at: https://www.patreon.com/indoctrination In part two of this insightful Patreon exclusive bonus episode, Rachel dives deeper into the pervasive issue of information overload and its impact on our mental well-being. Building on the…
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In the Shadow of Enlightenment w/Sarito Carroll
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1:19:33In this captivating episode, Rachel welcomes Sarito Carroll, a former member of the Rajneesh movement, to share her deeply personal journey from childhood within a cult to finding her voice and healing in the outside world. Sarito recounts her experiences growing up in the ashram of Bhagwan Shri Rajneesh, detailing the complexities of being a secon…
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Liberation & The Aftermath w/Claire Headley
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1:26:11In this heartfelt episode, Rachel sits down with Claire Headley, a former high-ranking executive in the Church of Scientology, to discuss her journey of healing and recovery after leaving the organization. Claire shares her experiences growing up in Scientology, the emotional toll of disconnection from family, and the challenges of navigating life …
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BONUS EPISODE PREVIEW: Chaos & Control: Navigating Information Overload pt.1
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9:06This is just a preview of our Patreon exclusive Bonus Episode. You can hear the full episode by becoming a member at: www.patreon.com/indoctrination In this timely bonus episode, Rachel addresses the overwhelming phenomenon of information overload, a topic that resonates deeply in today's fast-paced and chaotic world. Rachel explores how constant s…
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The Line Between Transformation and Exploitation w/Anne Peterson
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1:21:10In this compelling episode, Rachel welcomes back Anne Peterson, a former leader in the Landmark education movement who has dedicated her life to understanding the complexities of personal development and its potential for exploitation. After two decades of involvement with Landmark, Ann experienced a profound reckoning that led her to question the …
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Medicine, Deception, and Munchausen by Proxy w/ Detective Mike Weber
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1:10:13In this powerful episode, Rachel welcomes Detective Mike Weber, a dedicated law enforcement professional with 40 years of experience, who now specializes in crimes against children. They discuss the complex and often misunderstood issue of Munchausen by proxy. Detective Weber has investigated over 50 medical child abuse cases, achieving 13 convicti…
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BONUS EPISODE PREVIEW: Psychics & The Illusion of Certainty
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4:08This is just a preview of our Patreon exclusive Bonus Episode. You can hear the full episode by becoming a member at: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Rachel delves into the captivating world of psychics and the allure that draws many individuals to them. She explores the historical roots of clairvoyance, from palm readers to mediums claiming to comm…
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Penny Laneis a survivor, writer, wife, and mother with an insatiable passion for life and books. Originally from Jackson Heights, Queens, She is the author of the recently published memoir,Redeemed, A Memoir of a Stolen Childhood a gritty, ultimately uplifting memoir about a happy-go-lucky girl who is unexpectedly snatched away from her home—by her…
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Unraveling the Threads of Authority: From Cults to the Nazis w/Jon Atack
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1:03:33In this enlightening episode, Rachel welcomes Jon Atack, a leading expert on authoritarian cults and bestselling author, for a deep dive into the interplay between cult dynamics and historical atrocities. With a career spanning over four decades, Jon shares his extensive research on the parallels between Scientology and the Nazi regime, exploring h…
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BONUS EPISODE PREVIEW: The Cult Dynamics of Wicked w/Andrew Pledger
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14:42This is just a preview of our Patreon exclusive Bonus Episode. You can hear the full episode by becoming a member at: www.patreon.com/indoctrinationIn this conversation, Rachel Bernstein and Andrew Pledger explore the themes presented in the movie 'Wicked', particularly focusing on the concepts of difference, acceptance, and the struggle for authen…
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In this powerful episode, Rachel welcomes Laila Mickelwait, co-founder and CEO of the Justice Defense Fund and leader of the Trafficking Hub movement. Laila has dedicated her life to combating sex trafficking and holding Pornhub accountable for profiting from criminal sexual abuse. Her work, which has been featured in major media outlets, exposes t…
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On The Wrong Side w/ Nicole Bedera, Ph.D
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1:23:04In this enlightening episode, Rachel sits down with Nicole Badera, a sociologist and author of the forthcoming book, "On the Wrong Side: How Universities Protect Perpetrators and Betray Survivors of Sexual Violence." Nicole's research sheds light on the systemic issues within educational institutions that contribute to the trauma of survivors and p…
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BONUS EPISODE PREVIEW: Deconstruction & Recovery w/Dr. Glenn Doyle
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12:04This is just a preview of our Patreon exclusive Bonus Episode. You can hear the full episode by becoming a member at: www.patreon.com/indoctrinationThis week's bonus episode is a recording of Rachel's presentation with Dr. Glenn Doyle, for the Seek Safely Summit hosted by Anne Peterson. Rachel and Dr. Doyle discuss how to know if we are in an unsaf…
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Nobody Should Believe Me w/Andrea Dunlop
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1:36:36In this poignant episode, Rachel is joined by Andrea Dunlop, an accomplished author and podcaster, who delves into the complex and often misunderstood topic of Munchausen by Proxy. Andrea, who has personal ties to the subject, shares her insights into the deceptive and abusive dynamics of this disorder. Her work aims to illuminate the psychological…
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3HO's House of Fallen Cards w/Jules Hartley (From The Archives 2020)
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1:09:00This episode from the archives originally aired in 2020After four successful years of working on TV shows and films in New York City, Jules Hartley thought it would be a good idea for her to move to LA.A couple of years into her Hollywood journey, she discovered Kundalini yoga as taught specifically by Yogi Bhajan and the Golden Bridge Yoga Studio …
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An Abusive Relationship With God w/Dr. Laura Anderson (From The Archives)
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1:19:08This episode from the archives originally aired in January 2024Dr. Laura Anderson is a therapist, trauma resolution, and recovery coach, writer, educator, and creator who specializes in complex trauma with a focus on domestic violence, sexualized violence, and religious trauma. She holds a Master’s degree in Marriage and Family Therapy and a Ph.D. …
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UNLOCKED BONUS EPISODE: Navigating Different Types Of Grief
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17:02This is an unlocked bonus episode from our Patreon Exclusive archive. You can listen to 60+bonus episodes by becoming a member at:https://www.patreon.com/indoctrinationIn this insightful episode, Rachel delves into the multifaceted nature of loss and grief, offering a deeper understanding of the various types they may encounter. Rachel discusses ho…
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BONUS EPISODE PREVIEW: Superstition & Fear-Based Indoctrination
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4:21This is just a preview of our Patreon exclusive Bonus Episode. You can hear the full episode by becoming a member at: www.patreon.com/indoctrinationIn this exclusive Patreon bonus episode, Rachel delves into the intriguing world of superstitions, exploring their historical and cultural roots and their impact on human behavior. The discussion center…
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The MLM To Coaching Pipeline w/Jennifer Rajala Pt. 2
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1:03:01In this compelling follow-up episode, Rachel welcomes back Jennifer Rajala, a former MLM leader turned advocate, who bravely shares her journey of disentangling from the manipulative world of multilevel marketing and coaching groups. Jennifer picks up where she left off last week and delves into the insidious overlap between MLMs and the coaching i…
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The MLM To Coaching Pipeline w/Jennifer Rajala Pt. 1
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1:27:04In this eye-opening episode, Rachel speaks with Jennifer Raiala, a former state government worker who found herself ensnared in the world of multi-level marketing (MLM) with Arbonne. Jennifer shares her journey from being a child protective services investigator to becoming a leader in an MLM, only to face the harsh realities and financial burdens …
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BONUS EPISODE PREVIEW: Bridging Divides During the Holidays
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4:50This is just a preview of our Patreon exclusive Bonus Episode. You can hear the full episode by becoming a member at: www.patreon.com/indoctrinationIn this enlightening bonus episode, Rachel explores the complexities of engaging in conversations with individuals holding differing viewpoints, especially during the holiday season. As families and fri…
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Joseph Smith's Family Legacy w/Lyn Smith Gregory
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1:14:32In this captivating episode, Rachel welcomes Lynn Smith Gregory, a direct descendant of Joseph Smith, the founder of the Mormon Church. Raised in a devout Mormon family in Utah, Lynn shares her deeply personal journey of leaving the church at the age of 19 after uncovering unsettling truths about her family's legacy and the religion's history. Lynn…
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In this revealing episode, Rachel sits down with Erik Rojas, a former program leader and senior staff member at Landmark Worldwide, the infamous large group awareness training organization. Erik shares his journey within Landmark, detailing the intense pressures and abusive practices he witnessed and experienced. Erik explains how his commitment an…
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BONUS EPISODE PREVIEW: Synanon's Dark History
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5:14This is just a preview of our Patreon exclusive Bonus Episode. You can hear the full episode by becoming a member at:www.patreon.com/indoctrinationIn this insightful episode, Rachel delves into the controversial history of Synanon, a group founded in 1958 by Charles Diedrich Sr. Originally established as an alternative to Alcoholics Anonymous, Syna…
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Leaving The New Gnostic Society w/Lynn Short
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1:17:17In this compelling episode, Rachel speaks with Lynn Short, a former member of the New Gnostic Society, to explore her 17-year journey within the modern occult group. Lynn recounts her experiences as a missionary and the intense pressures she faced, including the doctrine's emphasis on sexual practices and the psychological control exerted over memb…
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Trump Presidency: A Cult Survivor's Perspective w/Andrew Pledger
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33:26In this special post-election episode, Rachel welcomes Andrew Pledger to discuss the emotional aftermath of the recent election from a survivor's perspective. Andrew, a cult survivor and advocate, shares his unique insights into the intersection of Christian fundamentalism and the current political climate. Raised in an independent fundamental Bapt…
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BONUS EPISODE PREVIEW Election Anxiety In Cult Survivors
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4:16This is just a preview of our Patreon exclusive Bonus Episode. You can hear the full episode by becoming a member at:www.patreon.com/indoctrinationIn this timely episode, Rachel addresses the upcoming U.S. presidential election and its impact on cult survivors. She explores the psychological parallels between political dynamics and cult-like behavi…
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Theocratic Threats & Spiritual Colonization w/ Nikki G.
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1:24:00Returning guest Nikki G. is a Certified Trauma Recovery Coach who helps survivors recover and thrive after Religious Trauma & Cult involvement. She is also a survivor of multiple narcissistic relationships, religious trauma, as well as a former member of multiple cultic communities. Nikki is the CEO of Nikki G Speaks LLC, which exists to support su…
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Manufacturing Mania w/Dr. John Hunter
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1:26:54In this compelling episode, Rachel introduces Dr. John Hunter, a South African researcher and lecturer, to explore the psychological and neurobiological impacts of Large Group Awareness Trainings (LGATs). Dr. Hunter offers a unique perspective on how LGATs can trigger manic-like episodes and psychosis. Rachel and Dr. Hunter discuss the psychologica…
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