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Get comfy. It's time for "SaaS Therapy," with industry veterans Todd Kirk and Casey Trujillo – the podcast for customer-facing teams in SaaS. Casey and Todd leverage their experience working between software vendors and their clients to help you master your SaaS customer relationships. They dig into the complexities of client relationships, offer expert insights, and share proven strategies for overcoming common challenges. It's not just a podcast—it's a masterclass in nurturing and enhancin ...
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Why AI Won’t Steal Your Job (But Someone Using It Might) with Ryan Debenham, CEO @ Grin AI
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41:49In this episode of SaaS Therapy, host Todd Kirk and guest Ryan Debenham, CEO of Grin AI, explore the evolving landscape of AI in business. They discuss the hype surrounding AI, the balance between optimism and realism, and the importance of understanding AI for both product teams and individual knowledge workers. Ryan shares insights on AI strategy…
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Podcast 100: How Extended Enterprise LMS Consulting Adds Value
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54:44How does extended enterprise LMS consulting help business software buyers and sellers succeed? Find out on this special 100th episode of the Talented Learning Show!By John Leh
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The Content Glue: Keeping Teams Unified Across the Customer Journey with Michael Lux, Senior Director of CE @ Procore Technologies
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44:02In this episode of SaaS Therapy, Todd talks with Michael Lux, Senior Director of Customer Education at Procore Technologies. They discuss the evolution of Procore from a startup to a public company, the structure of the education team, and the importance of a unified content strategy across departments. Michael shares insights on the challenges of …
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The Fear of Messing Up in Business (Fofu) with Todd Kirk and Casey Trujillo
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41:46In this host only episode of SaaS Therapy, Todd and Casey explore the complexities of decision-making in sales and customer relationships. They introduce the concept of 'Fofu' (fear of messing up) and discuss how it leads to decision paralysis in business. The conversation delves into the importance of emotional intelligence in sales, the different…
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Podcast 99: How Can Marketing Improve Enterprise Learning?
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31:25What can marketers teach enterprise learning leaders about how to package, position, and promote training? Find out from a performance marketing expert on this episode of the Talented Learning Show!By John Leh
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Transforming Customer Relationships in SaaS with Sean Adams, Host of The Adoption Curve Podcast
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46:02In this episode of SaaS Therapy, Todd Kirk and Sean Adams discuss the importance of customer relationships in the SaaS industry. They explore Sean's unique career path from contractor to VP of Revenue, the significance of measuring customer education impact, and the challenges of navigating customer expectations. The conversation emphasizes the nee…
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The Journey to Finding Your Purpose with Courtney Sembler, Senior Director @ HubSpot Academy
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48:08In this episode of SaaS Therapy, Todd Kirk and Casey Trujillo chat with Courtney Sembler, Senior Director at HubSpot, discussing the importance of passion in both personal and professional realms. Courtney shares her journey, influenced by her mother's pioneering spirit, and emphasizes the significance of integrating personal passions into work lif…
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Podcast 98: What Role Does Training Play in Modern Manufacturing?
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29:46Skilled workers are the backbone of manufacturing success. How are new training methods helping manufacturers prepare for the future? Find out on the Talented Learning Show!By John Leh
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Customer Education Shouldn’t Sit on a Shelf with John Leh, CEO @ Talented Learning
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47:26In this episode of SaaS Therapy, Todd Kirk and Casey Trujillo engage with John Leh, founder and CEO of Talented Learning, to explore the intricacies of customer education and learning management systems. John shares his unique journey in the learning industry, emphasizing the importance of aligning customer education with business needs and revenue…
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Building Tools People Actually Want to Use with Zach Hawley and Will Aja, co-founders @ SteerCo
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41:00In this episode of SaaS Therapy, Casey Trujillo speaks with Zach Hawley and Will Aja, co-founders of SteerCo, about their journey in customer success and the challenges of startup life. They discuss the importance of empathy in customer interactions, the emotional rollercoaster of entrepreneurship, and how their software aims to automate QBRs to fr…
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Mastering Customer Onboarding in SaaS with Gary Yau Chan, Founder @ Clarity Inbox
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47:48Summary In this episode of SaaS Therapy, Todd Kirk interviews Gary Yao Chan, co-founder of a startup, Clarity Inbox. They discuss the importance of customer onboarding calls, the transition from sales-led to product-led growth, and strategies for improving user experience and retention. Gary shares insights from his experience conducting hundreds o…
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Podcast 97: Understanding the Evolving Customer Education Process
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32:32The customer education process may seem straightforward, but it can be tricky. How are companies meeting the challenge? Find out what a new survey reveals on this episode of the Talented Learning Show!By John Leh
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Unlocking SaaS Success: Insights from Season Four with Todd Kirk and Casey Trujio
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35:31In this episode of SaaS Therapy, hosts Todd Kirk and Casey Trujillo reflect on the key themes and insights from the past season. The conversation highlights memorable guests and their contributions, as well as the challenges faced by B2B SaaS companies in serving diverse customer needs. Looking ahead, they are excitement for the upcoming season and…
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Podcast 96: Personal Learning Agents Enter the Workplace
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36:50What are personal learning agents? How do these AI tools make workplace learning far more timely, relevant and effective? Find out on this episode of the Talented Learning Show!By John Leh
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The secrets to effective customer communication, with Irwin Hipsman, Founder of Repetitos
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39:55In this episode of SaaS Therapy, Todd Kirk and Casey Trujillo discuss the critical importance of maintaining accurate customer contact data in B2B SaaS companies with guest Irwin Hipsman. They explore the common pitfalls organizations face regarding data management, the necessity of effective segmentation, and the role of cross-functional teams in …
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Investing in Customer Success: A Strategic Move with Kelly Hall, CCO @Quickbase
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45:23In this episode of SaaS Therapy, Kelly Hall, Chief Customer Officer at QuickBase, discusses building a customer-centric culture through emotional intelligence, vulnerability, and human connection. She emphasizes delivering real value, fostering trust, and understanding both customers and employees as individuals. Kelly also shares her journey as a …
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Podcast 95: Lessons From a Successful Online Course Company
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32:02What strategies can help you grow an online course company? Tune in for helpful ideas as one founder shares his best advice on this episode of The Talented Learning Show!By John Leh
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The Future of Customer Education in SaaS, with Todd Kirk and Casey Trujio
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33:28On this host-only episode of SaaS Therapy, Todd Kirk and Casey Trujillo discuss the challenges and opportunities within customer education in SaaS organizations, the disconnect between customer education teams and their impact on business outcomes, emphasizing the need for radical change in how customer education is approached. They understand the …
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Podcast 94: Can Microlearning Drive Professional Development?
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32:00How can you use microlearning to transform professional development? Get ideas and inspiration from one school district's example on this episode of Talented Learning Show!By John Leh
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Unlocking customer insights in SaaS, with Lauren Oswald, UX and market researcher
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45:27Hosts Todd Kirk and Casey Trujillo are joined by UX and market researcher Lauren Oswald to explore the critical aspects of understanding customer needs in the SaaS industry. They discuss the importance of gathering context for data interpretation, overcoming internal biases, and the necessity of humility and trust in research. Lauren emphasizes the…
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Navigating the evolving landscape of CS with Madison Hall, Director of CS at RingCentral
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49:09Join Todd Kirk and Casey Trujillo today for a conversation with Madison Hall, Director of Customer Success at RingCentral. Madison shares her journey from an individual contributor to a leadership role, emphasizing the importance of customer success in driving revenue and retaining customers. Learn more about the evolving landscape of customer succ…
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Podcast 93: Inside a Thriving Certification Training Business
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29:05What strategies lead to certification training business success? Learn how one online healthcare and IT training company connects students with in-demand skills and jobs on this Talented Learning Show!By John Leh
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The two-hump problem in Customer Education with Dave Derington, host of CELab podcast
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53:06This is part 2 of a conversation between Todd Kirk and Dave Derington! Find part 1 on Dave's podcast CELab: https://customer.education/podcast/episode-155-todd-kirk-brainstorm-the-two-hump-problem/ In this episode, they focus on the 'two hump problem' that represents the gap between scaled and high-touch learning with customer education. They explo…
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Understanding certifications in Customer Education with Debbie Smith, President of CEdMA
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44:23Hosts Todd Kirk and Casey Trujillo welcome Debbie Smith, president of CEdMA, to discuss the evolving landscape of customer education and the importance of certifications. Debbie shares insights on how customer education can drive business outcomes, the role of certifications in enhancing partner success, and the legal implications surrounding certi…
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Scaling CS starts with tech touch, with Joe Di Grande, top CS industry voice
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43:26In this episode of SaaS Therapy, Todd Kirk and substitute co-host Debra Wilson chat with Joe Di Grande, a former VP of Customer Success turned CS consultant. They explore the concept of "tech touch" in customer success, emphasizing its importance in scaling businesses and enhancing customer experiences. Joe provides practical advice on when to adop…
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The CSM mindset shift from relationships to revenue with Noah Little, CSM coach
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49:53In this episode Todd Kirk and Casey Trujillo bring on Noah Little, an experienced Customer Success Manager coach, who shares his journey and insights into the evolving role of CSMs. Noah discusses the importance of focusing on revenue generation rather than just relationship management, introducing his Revenue Impact Framework. He emphasizes the ne…
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Podcast 92: What Makes Action-First Learning Tick? With Karl Kapp
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22:06Even engaging instructional content can miss the mark. How does action-first learning overcome this issue? Tune in as John Leh interviews Dr. Karl Kapp on The Talented Learning Show!By John Leh
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Building your LinkedIn personal brand with Amanda Nielsen, Partner Sales Manager @Box
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46:17This episode contains some explicit language. Join Todd, Casey and Amanda to discuss the importance of LinkedIn for personal branding and thought leadership. Amanda is the founder of Thot Leader Labs and shares her vulnerability professional journey. Join the conversation to explore the balance between personal and company branding, best practices …
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What you need to know about channel partnerships
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4:00Join us for a quick summary about channel partnerships! Be sure to listen our previous episode on channel partnerships with Max! Resources Connect with Casey Connect with Todd…
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The power of channel partnerships with Max Alschlager, Sr Manager DX @CDW
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45:02In this episode of SaaS Therapy, hosts Todd Kirk and Casey Trujillo have a conversation with Max Alschlager, Senior Manager of Digital Experience at CDW. They explore the dynamics of channel partnerships in the SaaS industry. They discuss the benefits of leveraging established relationships for faster scaling, share success stories of SaaS vendors,…
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Podcast 91: How AI Transforms Channel Partner Training
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29:05Trying to use a generic employee LMS for channel partner training can be very frustrating. How do specialized AI-powered solutions help? Find out on this episode of the Talented Learning Show!By John Leh
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When Sales, CS & Product work together with Lucas Lovell, VP of Product @Paddle
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48:09Todd Kirk and Casey Trujillo chat with Lucas Lovell, VP of Product at Paddle. Listen to dive into the critical role of product management in SaaS and the importance of empathy, stakeholder relationships, and a structured prioritization framework for product development. Join us to discuss the intricacies of product prioritization, emphasizing the b…
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What AI can't do (and why that matters) with Roger Mendez, Global CS Leader @Cisco
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44:24Join Todd Kirk and Casey Trujillo for a conversation with Roger Mendez, a leader in customer success and operations at Cisco. They discuss the implications of AI in business and education. Roger shares insights from his recent experience at Cornell University, where he explored AI strategy and its potential to enhance human capabilities. Listen to …
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Podcast 90: Managing Complex Professional Education Challenges
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29:09Professional education can be difficult to manage, especially when it involves skilled people in heavily regulated jobs. How do specialized solutions help?By John Leh
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Mastering post-sale success in SaaS with Chiraag Kapoor, Principal @Radian Capital
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48:21In this episode of SaaS Therapy, Todd Kirk and Casey Trujillo welcome Chiraag Kapoor from Radian Capital to discuss the importance of post-sale metrics in SaaS businesses. They explore key metrics such as retention, bookings, and ARR, emphasizing the need for customer success teams to understand their impact on overall business health. The conversa…
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In this episode, Todd Kirk and Casey Trujillo explore the importance of recognizing opportunities in customer experience through the metaphor of surfing. They discuss how to embrace a mindset of continuous learning, the significance of building trust with customers, and the need for cultural adaptation in business practices. Takeaways Taking time o…
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Check-In: How Shopify created a culture of humility
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3:02Get a quick introduction to this past Tuesday's episode with Samantha Murray. If you haven't listened to that episode, go listen to it!
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Break down silos & reduce customer friction with Samantha Murray, Ex-Shopify
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43:36Join Casey Trujillo and Todd Kirk live from Silicon Slopes recording studio in Utah for an interview with Samantha Murray, Customer Education guru. Sam Murray discuss the critical role of customer education in SaaS organizations, drawing on Sam's extensive experience at Shopify. The conversation highlights the challenges of organizational silos and…
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How you can 6x your adoption with guest Ed Powers, CS consultant
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32:59In this conversation, Todd Kirk, Ed Powers, and Casey Trujillo discuss the importance of change management in driving user adoption and success in organizations. They explore the human aspects of change, effective communication strategies, and the role of customer success managers in facilitating smooth transitions. The discussion emphasizes the ne…
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Podcast 89: Proven Fintech Software Adoption Strategies
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32:15How are financial services companies dramatically improving the speed and impact of fintech software adoption? How can other industries leverage these methods? Find out on this Talented Learning Show!By John Leh
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Are data & AI your partners or your enemies? with Jordan Morrow, Sr VP of Data @AgileOne
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44:42References: Nexus - Yuval Noah Harrari Stolen Focus - Johann Hari Deep Work - Cal Newport Be Data Literate 2nd Edition - Jordan Morrow The AI Awakening - Dr Mazhgan Tavakolifard Mastering the Data Paradox - Nitin Seth Todd Kirk and Casey Trujillo talk with Jordan Morrow, a leading expert in data literacy and AI transformation. The conversation expl…
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CS Skills: Presenting to leadership with Kristen Hayer, CEO @Success League
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49:06Welcome to Season 4 of SaaS Therapy. In this episode of SaaS Therapy, Todd Kirk and Casey Trujillo welcome Kristen Hayer, founder and CEO of Success League. Listen to explore Kristen's entrepreneurial journey, the importance of leadership and ownership in customer success, the role of influence and accountability in leadership, and best practices f…
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Happy holidays: Our 2025 predictions & Season 3 thoughts
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28:48In this special holiday edition of SaaS Therapy, hosts Todd Kirk and Casey Trujillo reflect on the key insights and themes from Season 3. We'll take you back to some of our favorite conversations from this season such as the analogy of the Winchester Mystery House to illustrate the complexities of learning management systems, and the significance o…
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Bridging the gap with marketing and CS with Marley Wagner, CS & Marketing Consultant
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45:26Join us for a great conversation with Todd Kirk and Casey Trujillo and guest Marley Wagner, a digital customer success consultant, to explore the evolving role of customer success in the SaaS industry. They discuss the importance of balancing automation with human interaction, the need for cross-functional collaboration between marketing and custom…
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Check-In: Why crunchy conversations matter in CS
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4:54In this Friday check-in episode, Todd dives into the highlights of his discussion with Emilia, focusing on her unique concept of "crunchy conversations" and the importance of team alignment across sales, marketing, product, and customer success. He explores how transparent and honest discussions can break down silos, improve accountability, and ult…
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The path to revenue retention with Emilia D'Anzica, Founder @Growth Molecules
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46:12Todd Kirk and Casey Trujillo welcome Emilia D'Anzica, founder of Growth Molecules, to discuss the importance of customer success and journey mapping. Emilia shares her insights on how to effectively engage stakeholders, identify friction points in customer experiences, and reduce churn. In this conversation, Emilia discusses the importance of accou…
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Getting people to care about your SaaS product with Anthony Pierri, Co-founder @FletchPMM
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52:09Join Todd Kirk and Casey Trujillo for a conversation with guest Anthony Pierri, co-founder of Fletch PMM, to discuss the critical importance of effective positioning and messaging for SaaS companies. Explore common pitfalls in SaaS marketing, the need for clarity in communication, and the challenges of differentiating products in a crowded market. …
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In this special holiday episode of SaaS Therapy, host Todd Kirk takes a moment to reflect on the incredible journey of the podcast's first year. From insightful guest interviews to meaningful audience interactions, Todd shares his gratitude for listeners and the SaaS community. He also highlights how the show has been a source of inspiration and le…
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Podcast 88: The State of Customer Education in Europe
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30:43Customer education has been on fire in the U.S. for years. But what's happening with customer education in Europe? Find out on this episode of the Talented Learning Show!By John Leh
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