A practical discussion where two former therapists share what they learned professionally and experienced personally about the healing and restoration of our God-given glory
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The Way of the Heart Podcast is a conversation with Jake Khym and Brett Powell about journeying through life with a heart fully alive.
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When your parents separate or divorce, it hurts. You feel alone and uncertain of how to deal with it all. If you feel that way, the Restored podcast is for you. On it, we feature expert interviews and stories that offer practical advice on how to cope and heal after the trauma of your parents' divorce or separation, so you can feel whole again and become the person you were born to be.
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#152: The 3 Ways to Find Meaning in Suffering | Jack Beers
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49:08So many of us from divorced or dysfunctional families never learned how to deal with pain and suffering in a healthy way. As a result, we usually either numb the pain or get stuck in bitterness. But what if you could not only learn how to navigate pain in a healthy way, but actually draw meaning from your pain and emerge stronger? That’s what we di…
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Healing, Discipleship and the Heart w/ John Eldredge
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54:56This week, Jake and Bob are joined by John Eldredge, president of Wild at Heart, to discuss what authentic discipleship looks like in a distracted digital age. They explore the subtle ways constant connectivity and information overload can erode our spiritual focus, hinder intimacy with God, and ultimately fragment our souls. John also shares stori…
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#151: Even Necessary Divorces Hurt | Brandy
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1:07:34When Brandy was only a few months old, her parents divorced due to her father’s alcoholism. From the outside, her story might seem like a “best case” scenario—she was raised by a courageous single mom and later a kind stepfather. But underneath it all, she carried wounds no one could see. She believed perfection was the path to love. She feared bec…
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Forgiveness and Spiritual Renewal w/ Fr. John Horn
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1:16:46This week, Jake and Bob are joined by Fr. John Horn, co-founder of the Institute for Priestly Formation (IPF). Fr. Horn shares details behind how IPF was founded, the significance of St. Ignatius' spiritual exercises in priestly formation, and the beauty of how formation has evolved within the Church. They also discuss the Sacrament of Reconciliati…
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#150: Attachment Theory: What It Is and Why It Matters | Kirsty Nolan
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41:47What is attachment theory? How does your attachment style impact your relationships? As an expert in attachment theory, Kirsty Nolan joins us to discuss all of that, plus: The four attachment styles What happens when you have a secure attachment early in childhood, but later experience a rupture because of trauma, like your parents’ divorce Tips on…
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Healing from Abuse within the Church w/ Teresa Pitt Green
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57:31This week, Jake and Bob are joined by Teresa Pitt Green, co-founder of Spirit Fire, a ministry dedicated to “facilitating healing dialogue among those wounded by abuse in the Roman Catholic Church.” Teresa shares her own story of healing from abuse, the challenges she experienced, and what she learned along the way. She also shares practical advice…
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#149: He Was His Parents’ Therapist Until It Broke Him | Cole
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54:45What happens when you become your parents’ emotional confidant—their therapist—during a divorce? At first, it might feel like you’re helping. But eventually, it backfires and might even break you. That’s what happened to Cole. In this episode, we explore: How he went through his parents’ separation twice—and how each one affected him differently Ho…
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Restoring the Hearts of Priests w/ Matt Rudolph
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56:17This week, Jake and Bob are joined by Matt Rudolph, co-founder of Chrism which is a ministry for priests. Matt dives into the challenges faced by priests today including a need for community, support in embracing imperfections, and formation that emphasizes personal healing. They also share their visions for a more integrated approach to the priest…
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#148: Why You're Anxious, Tired, & Sick—and What to Do About It | Jackie Mulligan
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40:13So many of us feel depleted and exhausted, yet we might not know why. This is especially true for those of us from divorced or broken families. Research shows that children of divorce typically have worse physical health and more emotional problems. But thankfully, that doesn’t have to be your story. Going from depleted to healthy on every level is…
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This week, Jake and Bob share ideas on how to foster a healthy parish community. They not only reflect on the challenges of developing true community within a parish but also ponder how healthy parish life revolves around our personal healing and freedom. Through the use of multiple personal examples, Jake and Bob also explore the importance of the…
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#147: From Athlete to Paralyzed: “It’s the Best Thing That’s Happened to Me” | AJ De La Rosa
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59:52AJ had a normal life as a college student-athlete. But one night, a violent car accident left AJ paralyzed from the waist down. What started as 15 minutes of hell has transformed into what he calls “The best thing that’s happened to me.” In this episode, you’ll hear: The detailed story of the accident and the unexplainable emotions he experienced i…
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This week, Jake and Bob discuss intergenerational healing, taking into account recent pastoral advice from Bishops around the world. Intergenerational healing involves understanding how wounds and sins from previous generations can affect individuals in the present. Jake and Bob not only reflect on the Bishops’ letters, which express concern regard…
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#146: 1/3 Less Marriages Today Are Making Us Lonely | JP De Gance
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45:15At the root of our culture’s many problems is the breakdown of marriages and families. My guest shares sobering statistics, such as that “there are 31% less marriages annually now than in the year 2000” and there are “65% less marriages now than in the year 1970.” He says this is hugely contributing to the loneliness crisis today. Thankfully, there…
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Psychiatry & Personality w/ Dr. Christin McIntyre
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1:05:39This week, Jake and Bob welcome back Dr. Christin McIntyre, a Thomistic psychiatrist, to discuss the concept of personality disorders. They begin by defining what a personality disorder is and explore how modern culture and social norms can influence and twist this definition. Then, they discuss the interplay between inherited traits, early life ex…
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#145: Mother Wounds, “Parts Work” Therapy, & Healing from a Broken Family | Dr. Gerry Crete
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1:09:51Growing up, Dr. Gerry experienced deep turmoil at home. His father was abusive, and his parents’ marriage was full of conflict. When they eventually divorced, he felt like he lost both parents. Feeling alone, he became highly independent. Thankfully, he found healing, and today he helps others heal as a therapist. In this episode, we discuss: How I…
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This week, Jake and Bob return to an important topic: the healing power of forgiveness. Both Jake and Bob have encountered forgiveness and mercy in their healing journeys and share personal stories about receiving forgiveness and forgiving others. They also discuss why forgiving and forgetting is not possible, how to know if you’ve truly forgiven s…
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#144: The Secret to Not Repeating Your Family’s Dysfunction | Dr. Andrew Abela
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48:09So many of us from divorced or broken families fear repeating our parents' mistakes. If you want to avoid that, one of the keys is building virtue. But what is virtue? How do you build it? And what virtues might you acquire? My guest today wrote Superhabits, an amazing new book on virtue. He answers those questions, plus: How to override the uncons…
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This week, Jake and Bob continue their conversation and focus on the primary mechanisms of our human nature when it comes to change. We are a composite of body, soul, and spirit, but many times we isolate change and healing to only one part of our nature. While this can lead to some change, when integrated on a physical, emotional, and spiritual le…
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#143: When Your Divorced Parent Dies: Grieving, Healing, & Closure | Ben
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1:11:16After a relapse into alcoholism, Ben’s mom left him, his family, and the country for years when he was just 5 years old. When she returned, he struggled in his relationship with her but placed proper boundaries and found some resolution. But his mom’s death in Ben’s late 20s brought new pain. In this episode, you’ll hear his wild story, plus: The r…
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This week, Jake and Bob explore the complex process of personal change, what change requires, and why change can seem out of reach. In today’s culture of near instant gratification, it’s easy to think change should and will come about quickly and without much effort. While God can and does work many miracles, the reality is, change takes time, effo…
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#142: How to Break the Cycle of Your Broken Family
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48:35Has your parents’ divorce or broken family brought pain into your life? Do you fear repeating the cycle of dysfunction or divorce? You’re not alone—millions face these often unspoken struggles: hidden wounds, emotional problems, broken relationships, and destructive habits. Thankfully, you’re not destined to repeat your family’s dysfunction. In thi…
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Faith that Heals w/ Fr. Mathias Thelen
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1:05:15This week, Jake and Bob are joined by Fr. Mathias Thelen, Co-Founder and President of Encounter Ministries and Pastor of St. Patrick Catholic Parish in Brighton. Fr. Mathias shares his story of experiencing the transformative power of the Holy Spirit, encountering an advisor who fathered him in Seminary, and experiences of grace that shaped his min…
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#141: Good Can Come from Broken Situations | Dylan
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58:21At age 5, Dylan’s parents divorced. Visitation brought challenges, but he learned to appreciate the time it gave him with his dad, who really helped him grow. From that, he learned that good can come from broken situations. In today’s episodes, we also discuss topics like: How we need father figures, ideally our dads, in order to become men, find o…
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Integrating Faith and Psychiatry w/ Dr. Christin McIntyre
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1:07:21This week, Jake and Bob are joined by psychiatrist Dr. Christin McIntyre to discuss spiritual warfare and mental health. They discuss the teachings of St. Thomas Aquinas on human psychology and why learning about how our minds were created to work helps us spiritually and emotionally. Dr. Christin also discusses the importance of hope in prayer, wh…
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#140: Hardest Part of the Divorce: Seeing My Siblings Struggle | Anthony
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1:28:58The hardest part of your parents’ divorce or family breakdown is seeing the people you love suffer. That was true for my guest today who happens to be my older brother, Anthony: Watching our siblings struggle was the hardest part for him. In this episode, you’ll hear us compare stories about our parents’ divorce from our perspectives as siblings, p…
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The Body and Trust: Redefining Healthcare w/ Dr. Chuck Leitz
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59:46Happy New Year! This week, Jake and Bob are joined by Dr. Chuck Leitz who has been seeing patients for over 40 years. They discuss Dr. Chuck’s journey towards integrative medicine and what he has learned along the way. Dr. Chuck reflects on the importance of introducing prayer into medical practice, the role of trust issues in healing, and the nece…
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#139: Dating or Marrying Someone from an Intact vs Broken Family | Paul & Maggie Kim
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57:08So many of us from broken families end up dating or marrying someone from an intact family. But that presents challenges, which we discuss in this episode with an amazing married couple where one spouse comes from a broken family and the other is from an intact family. We also discuss questions like: What did you fear about marriage? Maggie opens u…
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#138: The Best of 2024: Restored Podcast Highlights
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30:52If you come from a divorced or broken family, this show is for you. We help you heal your brokenness, navigate the challenges, and build healthy relationships, so you can break that cycle and build a better life. In this episode, you'll hear highlight clips from the podcast in 2024. If you’re new to the podcast, this is the perfect way to sample ou…
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Merry Christmas! This week, Jake and Bob have a heartfelt conversation about loss and healing during the Christmas season. Bob shares about recently losing a family member and reflects on the healing power of being present with one another during times of grief. They also explore the significance of Jesus’ birth, the complexities of self-reflection…
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Physical and Emotional Healing w/ Dr. Tom Nelson
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1:03:55This week, Jake and Bob are joined by their longtime friend, Dr. Tom Nelson, a sports activation specialist. They discuss Dr. Tom’s journey of integrating faith into his medical practice and the physical and spiritual healing that has occurred as a result. Dr. Tom shares about the relationship between emotional and physical healing, a new perspecti…
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#137: You’re Not Doomed to Get Divorced | Samantha
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1:05:56If you come from a divorced family, research says you’re more likely to get divorced. But does that mean you’re doomed to that fate? My guest today says a resounding no. She and her husband, also a child of divorce, have built a 24-year-long happy marriage with 3 children. Her message for you? You can do the same. In this episode, we discuss: How s…
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This week, Jake and Bob answer your questions! They discuss topics ranging from the effectiveness of 12-step groups and obedience in religious life to explaining love to someone who has never experienced it and more. We enjoy receiving your emails and encourage you to send us a message or a question for a future show on our website here. Key Points…
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#136: Relationship Advice for Young People from Broken Families | Jackie & Bobby Angel
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1:04:35The biggest area of struggle for young people from divorced or broken families is in romantic relationships. Why so much struggle? In short, we were poorly trained in how to love, so we feel incompetent at it and fear repeating our parents’ mistakes. So, how can you overcome that fear and relearn how to love? My guests answer that question and more…
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Sonship, Fatherhood & Marriage w/ Dominic Polito
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1:20:08Jake & Brett welcome their friend Dominic to the show and explore the complexities of marriage, personal growth, and the foundational role of sonship. They discuss intentionally fathering children, self-reliance, and the importance of a deep prayer life. Resources: Fathering Sons by Dominic and Christine Polito (available for purchase on Amazon by …
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This week, Jake and Bob continue their conversation on redemptive suffering. They reflect on the Song of the Suffering Servant from Isaiah 53 and how Jesus redeems suffering itself. Jake and Bob also discuss how Jesus experienced all seven deadly wounds, challenged each identity lie, and how this in turn helps us challenge our own identity lies so …
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#135: Holidays with Divorced Parents? 5 Tips to Navigate Them
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24:05Whether holidays with your divorced or separated parents are new or you’ve done it numerous times, this episode is for you. In it, you’ll get 5 practical tips to better navigate the holidays in your broken family, so they’re less stressful and more enjoyable. Get the Guide: 5 Tips to Navigate the Holidays in a Broken Family Shownotes Question for J…
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This week, Jake and Bob dive deep into the concept of redemptive suffering. Whether you are grieving the loss of a loved one, processing a medical diagnosis, or struggling to love your neighbor, we all experience suffering in many forms throughout our lives. Jake and Bob discuss how these sufferings allow us to see clearly into our hearts and notic…
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#134: Holidays After Your Parents’ Divorce: What Nobody Tells You | Danielle
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50:57While the rest of the world is filled with holiday cheer, people like us from divorced or broken families usually feel very differently. While you can’t magically make the holidays happy and drama-free, what if there was a way to make them less stressful and more enjoyable? That’s what we’ll discuss in this episode, plus: The challenges that come f…
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This week, Jake and Bob are joined by Carrie Archual, a longtime friend and prayerful intercessor in their families’ lives. Carrie walks us through her profound journey of a cancer diagnosis. From learning surrender to experiencing deep spiritual consolations, Carrie shares the transformative power of faith in the face of suffering. They also discu…
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#133: Digital Addiction: Why It Hurts You & How to Beat It | Andrew Laubacher
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43:04Technology certainly has benefits, but there are dangers as well. Sadly, our misuse of technology is causing us to be more depressed, more anxious, less happy, and less healthy than ever before. Perhaps worst of all, it destroys our ability to heal, grow, and build healthy relationships. In this episode, we dive into that with my guest, Andrew Laub…
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#132: Why Your Wounds & Subconscious Are Ruling Your Life | Dr. Gregory Bottaro
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1:11:47Carl Jung once said, “Unless you make the subconscious conscious, it will rule your life and you will call it fate.” In this episode, Dr. Greg Bottaro explains why our untreated wounds and our subconscious rule our lives, often without us knowing it. We also discuss: How his parents’ divorce impacted him and how he found tremendous healing Dr. Bott…
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This week, Jake and Bob are joined by Isaac Wicker, a licensed counselor and co-founder of Known, a 12-week online Catholic coaching program to heal wounded relationships with God the Father. Isaac shares his story of his own mental health journey, his approach to helping others overcome their struggles and discover their worth, as well as the role…
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Anatomy of Freedom with Fr. Mark-Mary Ames, CFR
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1:02:12This week, Jake and Bob are joined by Fr. Mark-Mary Ames, CFR to discuss the anatomy of freedom. Fr. Mark-Mary talks about the three pillars of freedom, the components of being loved, and how these concepts have helped bring about healing within his ministry work. They also discuss the importance of naming our needs, surrendering them to God, and w…
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#131: Family Felt Stressful, Tense, & Unstable | Jordana
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55:48After 24 years of marriage, Jordana’s parents divorced. Overall, her experience of family felt tense, stressful, and unstable. Once she learned of her parents’ divorce, she went into problem-solver mode, taking on the role of mother for her siblings. In this episode, you’ll hear us discuss all of that, plus: How filling a parent role isn’t ideal, b…
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This week, Jake and Bob go back to the basics of healing. They reflect on the idea that it is not what happens to us that harms our souls, but rather our response. Jake and Bob also discuss the problem of evil done to another, the challenges that come with accepting the reality of what happened, and the role of pain in the healing process. Key Poin…
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#130: An Exercise to Heal | Dr. Peter Malinoski
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1:18:54If you’re like me, you’ve experienced trauma or brokenness in your life which has led you to seek healing. One method of healing used in therapy is Internal Family Systems. But what exactly is it? And how can it help you? My guest today, a psychologist and expert in Internal Family Systems, answers those questions, plus: A healing exercise that you…
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#129: What Does It Mean to Be Healthy & Whole? | Matthew Rudolph
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1:01:57We talk a lot about being healthy and whole, but what exactly does it mean to be healthy and whole? We dive into that topic in this episode with a man who’s been accomplished as a CEO but has also worked hard on himself as a husband and father, plus: Why honesty and vulnerability are essential for healing and growth, and how forgiveness has been ve…
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Friends of the Bridegroom w/ Fr. John Burns and Sr. Miriam James Heidland
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58:55This week, Jake and Bob are joined by Fr. John Burns and Sr. Miriam James Heidland to talk about their ministry called Friends of the Bridegroom. Their ministry seeks to renew the Church through the healing, renewal, and expansion of women’s religious life in America. They also discuss the nuptial meaning of every vocation, the unique beauty women …
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Spiritual Parenting w/ Lance and Nicole Rodriguez
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1:05:18This week, Jake and Bob are joined by Lance and Nicole Rodriguez to discuss spiritual parenting and the profound impact it has had on their lives. Lance and Nichole share their story of loss and restoration from learning they could not have biological children, to experiencing spiritual parenting, and from there, recognizing how God created an oppo…
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