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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this episode of Book Overflow, Carter and Nathan discuss the second half of Grokking Concurrency by Kirill Bobrov! Join them as they discuss the mutexes, semaphores, the reactor pattern, and more! -- Books Mentioned in this Episode -- Note: As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. ---------------------------------------------------------- Grokking Concurrency by Kirill Bobrov https://amzn.to/3GRbnby (paid link) ---------------- Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5kj6DLCEWR5nHShlSYJI5L Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/book-overflow/id1745257325 X: https://x.com/bookoverflowpod Carter on X: https://x.com/cartermorgan Nathan's Functionally Imperative: www.functionallyimperative.com ---------------- Book Overflow is a podcast for software engineers, by software engineers dedicated to improving our craft by reading the best technical books in the world. Join Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups as they read and discuss a new technical book each week! The full book schedule and links to every major podcast player can be found at https://www.bookoverflow.io…
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this special episode of Book Overflow, Carter and Nathan take some time to debrief Georgia Tech's famously difficult Graduate Algorithms course, which Carter just passed! As alumni of the OMSCS program, Carter and Nathan discuss why they chose to pursue the degree, how the course has changed over time due to the improvements in LLMs, and how algorithmic thinking can benefit you as a software engineer! -- Books Mentioned in this Episode -- Note: As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. ---------------------------------------------------------- ---------------- Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5kj6DLCEWR5nHShlSYJI5L Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/book-overflow/id1745257325 X: https://x.com/bookoverflowpod Carter on X: https://x.com/cartermorgan Nathan's Functionally Imperative: www.functionallyimperative.com ---------------- Book Overflow is a podcast for software engineers, by software engineers dedicated to improving our craft by reading the best technical books in the world. Join Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups as they read and discuss a new technical book each week! The full book schedule and links to every major podcast player can be found at https://www.bookoverflow.io…
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedThis week Carter and Nathan read Donella Meadows’ Thinking in Systems. A foundational primer on systems thinking, the book explores how stocks, flows, feedback loops, and leverage points shape everything from ecosystems to organizations. Join them as they discuss how systems thinking applies to software engineering, the hidden structures behind burnout and tech debt, and how to make high-leverage changes in complex systems. -- Books Mentioned in this Episode -- Note: As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. ---------------------------------------------------------- Thinking in Systems by Donella H. Meadows https://amzn.to/4cMB35k (paid link) Tidy First?: A Personal Exercise in Empirical Software Design by Kent Beck https://amzn.to/3RoB9pR (paid link) Refactoring: Improving the Design of Existing Code by Martin Fowler https://amzn.to/43Wqk5Q (paid link) Fundamentals of Software Architecture: An Engineering Approach by Mark Richards and Neal Ford https://amzn.to/3Y7CNjk (paid link) One Nation Under Blackmail, Vol. 1: The Sordid Union Between Intelligence and Crime that Gave Rise to Jeffrey Epstein by Whitney Alyse Webb https://amzn.to/3RsMt4f (paid link) Slow Productivity: The Lost Art of Accomplishment Without Burnout by Cal Newport https://amzn.to/3EH8MAe (paid link) The Software Engineer's Guidebook: Navigating Senior, Tech Lead, and Staff Engineer Positions at Tech Companies and Startups by Gergely Orosz https://amzn.to/3ExwPSa (paid link) What Is ChatGPT Doing ... and Why Does It Work? by Stephen Wolfram https://amzn.to/4iuSUim (paid link) ---------------- 00:00 Intro 01:41 About the Book 03:43 Thoughts on the Book 08:07 Covering the Foundations and Defining Terms 16:36 Feedback loops 22:31 Overconfidence and why models lead us astray. 35:56 Paradigms and Framing 49:30 Leverage Points 01:02:04 Final Thoughts ---------------- Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5kj6DLCEWR5nHShlSYJI5L Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/book-overflow/id1745257325 X: https://x.com/bookoverflowpod Carter on X: https://x.com/cartermorgan Nathan's Functionally Imperative: www.functionallyimperative.com ---------------- Book Overflow is a podcast for software engineers, by software engineers dedicated to improving our craft by reading the best technical books in the world. Join Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups as they read and discuss a new technical book each week! The full book schedule and links to every major podcast player can be found at https://www.bookoverflow.io…
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1 Balancing Features and Systems Improvements - The Good News Factory by Kent Beck 1:04:50
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedThis week Carter and Nathan read the Kent Beck's The Good News Factory. A sequel to Tidy First?, The Good News Factory explores the economics of software and instructs tech executives on how to produce teams that are constantly delivering good news. Join them as they discuss balancing feature development and systems improvment, the economic incentives of software, and more! -- Books Mentioned in this Episode -- Note: As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. ---------------------------------------------------------- ---------------- 00:00 Intro 12:23 About the Book 14:08 Thoughts on the Book 16:24 Features, Structure, Coupling, and Cohesion 33:13 Responding to Organizational Changes 42:12 3X: Explore, Expand, and Extract 56:54 Final Thoughts ---------------- Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5kj6DLCEWR5nHShlSYJI5L Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/book-overflow/id1745257325 X: https://x.com/bookoverflowpod Carter on X: https://x.com/cartermorgan Nathan's Functionally Imperative: www.functionallyimperative.com ---------------- Book Overflow is a podcast for software engineers, by software engineers dedicated to improving our craft by reading the best technical books in the world. Join Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups as they read and discuss a new technical book each week! The full book schedule and links to every major podcast player can be found at https://www.bookoverflow.io…
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1 John Ousterhout and Robert "Uncle Bob" Martin Discuss Their Software Philosophies 53:48
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedFollowing up on their recent discussion on software design (inspired by Book Overflow!), John Ousterhout and Robert "Uncle Bob" Martin join Carter and Nathan for their first ever joint interview! Join them as they discuss what it was like working together, how the discussion came to be, and what they both learned from the process! Ousterhout/Martin Discussion: https://github.com/johnousterhout/aposd-vs-clean-code -- Books Mentioned in this Episode -- Note: As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. ---------------------------------------------------------- A Philosophy of Software Design by John Ousterhouthttps://amzn.to/3XCPliz (Paid Link)Clean Code by Robert Martinhttps://amzn.to/4iJ4Ttq (Paid Link) Clean Coder, The: A Code of Conduct for Professional Programmers by Robert C. Martin https://amzn.to/3E9zf9l (Paid Link) We, Programmers: A Chronicle of Coders from Ada to AI by Robert Martin https://amzn.to/42aW194 (Paid Link) Design Patterns: Elements of Reusable Object-Oriented Software by Erich Gamma, Richard Helm, Ralph Johnson, John Vlissides https://amzn.to/4hRbYa3 (Paid Link) Structured Analysis and System Specification by Tom DeMarco, P. J. Plauger https://amzn.to/3E0Y7QD (Paid Link) Practical Guide to Structured Systems Design by Meilir Page-Jones https://amzn.to/4hNd8mV (Paid Link) Design by Contract: By Example First Edition by Richard Mitchell, Jim McKim, Bertrand Meyer https://amzn.to/4i4X6VW (Paid Link) Structured Programming by Edsger Wybe Dijkstra, C. A. R. Hoare, Ole-Johan Dahl https://amzn.to/42fXfzX (Paid Link) On the Criteria To Be Used in Decomposing Systems into Modules by D.L. Parnas https://wstomv.win.tue.nl/edu/2ip30/references/criteria_for_modularization.pdf ---------------- 00:00 Intro 03:11 Origin of the debate 06:52 Motivation for the debate 11:35 How did you settle on the terms of the debate? 14:30 Overcoming Self-Doubt and Engaging with others 20:06 Influences in Developing Design Aesthetics 28:45 Taking time for Deep Thinking vs Shallow thinking 33:58 Writing Code and Reducing Cognative Load 39:05 Encouraging healthy debate 42:38 Coding Style, Retirement, and what’s next 49:40 Final Thoughts ---------------- Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5kj6DLCEWR5nHShlSYJI5L Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/book-overflow/id1745257325 X: https://x.com/bookoverflowpod Carter on X: https://x.com/cartermorgan Nathan's Functionally Imperative: www.functionallyimperative.com ---------------- Book Overflow is a podcast for software engineers, by software engineers dedicated to improving our craft by reading the best technical books in the world. Join Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups as they read and discuss a new technical book each week! The full book schedule and links to every major podcast player can be found at https://www.bookoverflow.io…
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1 Is Worse Better? - Worse is Better by Richard P. Gabriel 1:08:07
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedThis week Carter and Nathan take a break from books and discuss the the seminal Worse is Better essays by Richard P. Gabriel. Join them as they how Unix and C were once perceived, tradeoffs in software design, and whether or not worse is truly better! -- Books Mentioned in this Episode -- Note: As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. ---------------------------------------------------------- Worse is Better https://www.dreamsongs.com/WorseIsBetter.html Rise of Worse is Better https://www.dreamsongs.com/RiseOfWorseIsBetter.html ---------------- 00:00 Intro 01:37 About the Essays 06:18 Thoughts on the Essays 15:48 "the right thing" vs "worse is better" or MIT vs New Jersey 39:59 Usefulness: Why worse beats better 49:41 when worse is worse 57:31 Final Thoughts ---------------- Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5kj6DLCEWR5nHShlSYJI5L Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/book-overflow/id1745257325 X: https://x.com/bookoverflowpod Carter on X: https://x.com/cartermorgan Nathan's Functionally Imperative: www.functionallyimperative.com ---------------- Book Overflow is a podcast for software engineers, by software engineers dedicated to improving our craft by reading the best technical books in the world. Join Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups as they read and discuss a new technical book each week! The full book schedule and links to every major podcast player can be found at https://www.bookoverflow.io…
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1 Gergely Orosz Reflects on The Software Engineer's Guidebook 1:11:28
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this episode, Gergely Orosz joins Carter and Nathan to discuss his book The Software Engineer's Guidebook. Join them as Gergely reflects on the differences between writing a book and The Pragmatic Engineer newsletter, the importance of professional networks, and the state of the hiring market today! https://www.pragmaticengineer.com/ -- Books Mentioned in this Episode -- Note: As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. ---------------------------------------------------------- The Software Engineer's Guidebook https://amzn.to/41AxMAL (Paid Link) Thinking in Systems by Donella H. Meadows https://amzn.to/4kGtmkI (Paid Link) Tidy First?: A Personal Exercise in Empirical Software Design by Kent Beck https://amzn.to/4bHoNCv (Paid Link) Become an Effective Software Engineering Manager: How to Be the Leader Your Development Team Needs by Dr. James Stanier https://amzn.to/4kCzvhD (Paid Link) The Engineering Executive's Primer: Impactful Technical Leadership by Will Larsonhttps://amzn.to/4hpRDIS (Paid Link) ---------------- 00:00 Intro 02:11 What inspired you to write the book? 08:46 Gaining the Vocabulary and learning on your own 13:45 Writing a Newsletter vs Writing a Book 22:55 Taking initiative and Embracing Curiosity 35:30 Working Remotely and Cultivating Connections 41:13 Periodic Effort: Stretching, Executing, and Coasting 46:41 Navigating Company Cultures 50:05 The Future of Interviews: AI Cheating and the end of the Remote Interviews 58:33 How the job market has changed 01:05:10 Closing Thoughts Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5kj6DLCEWR5nHShlSYJI5L Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/book-overflow/id1745257325 X: https://x.com/bookoverflowpod Carter on X: https://x.com/cartermorgan Nathan's Functionally Imperative: www.functionallyimperative.com ---------------- Book Overflow is a podcast for software engineers, by software engineers dedicated to improving our craft by reading the best technical books in the world. Join Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups as they read and discuss a new technical book each week! The full book schedule and links to every major podcast player can be found at https://www.bookoverflow.io…
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1 More on System Design Interviews - System Design Interview by Alex Xu 53:50
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedThis week Carter and Nathan discuss the second half of System Design Interview by Alex Xu. Join them as they discuss how system design interviews prepare you for daily work, what system design questions they've been asked in the past, and their thoughts on Apple Intelligence! Byte Byte Go: https://bytebytego.com/ -- Books Mentioned in this Episode -- Note: As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. ---------------------------------------------------------- System Design Interview by Alex Xu https://amzn.to/4iUR9vg (paid link) ----- 00:00 Intro 03:30 Thoughts on the Book 14:01 Nathan's Favorite Case Study and Thoughts on Take-Home Problems 21:23 non sequitur: Applying for Jobs, Recruiters, and Compensation 36:03 non sequitur: roasting Apple on how bad Siri is right now. 41:57 Carter's favorite case study and New books for the backlog 49:07 Final Thoughts ---------------- Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5kj6DLCEWR5nHShlSYJI5L Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/book-overflow/id1745257325 X: https://x.com/bookoverflowpod Carter on X: https://x.com/cartermorgan Nathan's Functionally Imperative: www.functionallyimperative.com ---------------- Book Overflow is a podcast for software engineers, by software engineers dedicated to improving our craft by reading the best technical books in the world. Join Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups as they read and discuss a new technical book each week! The full book schedule and links to every major podcast player can be found at https://www.bookoverflow.io…
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1 Carson Gross (Creator of HTMX) Reflects on Hypermedia Systems 1:05:59
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this episode, Carson Gross joins Carter and Nathan to discuss his book Hypermedia Systems Join them as Carson reflects on the process of publishing the book, the development of HTMX, and how to deal with setbacks! John Ousterhout and Bob Martin Conversationhttps://github.com/johnousterhout/aposd-vs-clean-code Fixi.js (a new project from Carson Gross)https://github.com/bigskysoftware/fixi Triptych - New Attributes for HTML https://github.com/alexpetros/triptychHTMXhttps://htmx.org/-- Books Mentioned in this Episode --Note: As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.----------------------------------------------------------Hypermedia Systemshttps://amzn.to/4iou43T (Paid Link)Philosophy of Software Design by John Ousterhouthttps://amzn.to/4bEVMHp (Paid Link) The Master and Margarita: 50th-Anniversary Edition by Mikhail Bulgakov https://amzn.to/3R1pzR3 (Paid Link) Worse is Better (essay)https://www.dreamsongs.com/WorseIsBetter.html No Silver Bullet https://worrydream.com/refs/Brooks_1986_-_No_Silver_Bullet.pdf---------------- 00:00 Intro 01:47 What Inspired you to write Hypermedia Systems 07:37 Challenging Assumptions, Hypermedia, Javascript, and Worse is Better 13:51 Roy Fielding, REST, HATEOAS and mispronouncing things. 16:15 What is the most surprising outcome of writing Hypermedia Systems? 19:42 Creating fixi.js 28:32 Discussing Progressive Enhancement, Triptych, and Browser Standards 35:40 Dealing with Setbacks and Success 41:01 No Silver Bullet, and the Ousterhout and Martin debate 50:00 What if No HTMX? Hypercard 56:11 Tool chains, debuggers, and developer expectations 01:01:29 Final Thoughts ---------------- Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5kj6DLCEWR5nHShlSYJI5L Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/book-overflow/id1745257325 X: https://x.com/bookoverflowpod Carter on X: https://x.com/cartermorgan Nathan's Functionally Imperative: www.functionallyimperative.com ---------------- Book Overflow is a podcast for software engineers, by software engineers dedicated to improving our craft by reading the best technical books in the world. Join Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups as they read and discuss a new technical book each week! The full book schedule and links to every major podcast player can be found at https://www.bookoverflow.io…
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1 Acing the System Design Interview - System Design Interview by Alex Xu 1:02:21
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedThis week Carter and Nathan discuss the first half of System Design Interview by Alex Xu. Join them as they discuss Alex's excellent newsletter Byte Byte Go, how systems design interviews reflect actual jobs, and what tips and tricks Alex offers to ace your interviews! Byte Byte Go: https://bytebytego.com/ -- Books Mentioned in this Episode --Note: As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.----------------------------------------------------------System Design Interview – An insider's guide by Alex Xu https://amzn.to/3EXFYUa (paid link)Team Topologies by Matthew Skelton and Manuel Paishttps://amzn.to/4kgfH3F (paid link)---------------- 00:00 Intro 01:33 About the Book 03:08 Thoughts on the Book 11:57 What is a Systems Design Interview? 22:15 Why focus on Systems Design Interview? 27:26 Our Experience with System Design Interviews 36:09 Strategies, Approach, and Expertise 40:20 Importance of Back of the Envelope Calculations 45:39 Learning through building 57:02 Final Thoughts ---------------- Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5kj6DLCEWR5nHShlSYJI5L Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/book-overflow/id1745257325 X: https://x.com/bookoverflowpod Carter on X: https://x.com/cartermorgan Nathan's Functionally Imperative: www.functionallyimperative.com ---------------- Book Overflow is a podcast for software engineers, by software engineers dedicated to improving our craft by reading the best technical books in the world. Join Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups as they read and discuss a new technical book each week! The full book schedule and links to every major podcast player can be found at https://www.bookoverflow.io…
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1 Evolving Your Software Teams - Team Topologies by Matthew Skelton & Manuel Pais 1:09:07
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this episode of Book Overflow, Carter and Nathan discuss the second half of Team Topologies by Matthew Skelton and Manuel Pais. Join them as they discuss how teams evolve, when you can tell a team might be reaching its breaking point, and what a company needs beyond the team topologies! -- Books Mentioned in this Episode -- Note: As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. ---------------------------------------------------------- Team Topologies by Matthew Skelton and Manuel Pais https://amzn.to/4kgfH3F (paid link) ---------------- 00:00 Intro 01:26 About the Book 03:10 Thoughts on the Book 09:20 Team Interaction Modes 41:01 Changing Team Structures 01:05:04 Final Thoughts ---------------- Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5kj6DLCEWR5nHShlSYJI5L Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/book-overflow/id1745257325 X: https://x.com/bookoverflowpod Carter on X: https://x.com/cartermorgan Nathan's Functionally Imperative: www.functionallyimperative.com ---------------- Book Overflow is a podcast for software engineers, by software engineers dedicated to improving our craft by reading the best technical books in the world. Join Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups as they read and discuss a new technical book each week! The full book schedule and links to every major podcast player can be found at https://www.bookoverflow.io…
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1 Building Effective Teams - Team Topologies by Matthew Skelton & Manuel Pais 1:15:13
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this episode of Book Overflow, Carter and Nathan discuss the first half of Team Topologies by Matthew Skelton and Manuel Pais. Join them as they discuss the four main types of teams, what teams they've worked on in the past, remote work, and more! -- Books Mentioned in this Episode -- Note: As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. ---------------------------------------------------------- Team Topologies by Matthew Skelton and Manuel Pais https://amzn.to/4kgfH3F (paid link) ---------------- Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5kj6DLCEWR5nHShlSYJI5L Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/book-overflow/id1745257325 X: https://x.com/bookoverflowpod Carter on X: https://x.com/cartermorgan Nathan's Functionally Imperative: www.functionallyimperative.com ---------------- Book Overflow is a podcast for software engineers, by software engineers dedicated to improving our craft by reading the best technical books in the world. Join Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups as they read and discuss a new technical book each week! The full book schedule and links to every major podcast player can be found at https://www.bookoverflow.io…
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1 Is HTMX Right For You? - Hypermedia Systems by Gross, Stepinski, & Akşimşek 1:16:04
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this episode of Book Overflow, Carter and Nathan discuss the back half of Hypermedia Systems by Carson Gross, Adam Stepinski, and Deniz Akşimşek. Join them as they discuss the pros and cons of HTMX, whether or not you should choose it over a more popular framework like React, and more! -- Books Mentioned in this Episode -- Note: As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. ---------------------------------------------------------- Hypermedia Systems by Carson Gross, Adam Stepinski, and Deniz Akşimşek https://amzn.to/3C503GQ (https://amzn.to/4aDjFyD) ---------------- Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5kj6DLCEWR5nHShlSYJI5L Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/book-overflow/id1745257325 X: https://x.com/bookoverflowpod Carter on X: https://x.com/cartermorgan Nathan's Functionally Imperative: www.functionallyimperative.com ---------------- Book Overflow is a podcast for software engineers, by software engineers dedicated to improving our craft by reading the best technical books in the world. Join Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups as they read and discuss a new technical book each week! The full book schedule and links to every major podcast player can be found at https://www.bookoverflow.io…
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1 Make Web 1.0 Great Again! - Hypermedia Systems by Gross, Stepinski, & Akşimşek 1:10:52
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this episode of Book Overflow, Carter and Nathan discuss the first 200 pages of Hypermedia Systems by Carson Gross, Adam Stepinski, and Deniz Akşimşek. Join them as they discuss HTMX, an alternative to modern JavaScript front-end frameworks, and the philosophies that made Web 1.0 so powerful! -- Books Mentioned in this Episode -- Note: As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. ---------------------------------------------------------- Hypermedia Systems by Carson Gross, Adam Stepinski, and Deniz Akşimşek https://amzn.to/3C503GQ (https://amzn.to/4aDjFyD) ---------------- Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5kj6DLCEWR5nHShlSYJI5L Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/book-overflow/id1745257325 X: https://x.com/bookoverflowpod Carter on X: https://x.com/cartermorgan Nathan's Functionally Imperative: www.functionallyimperative.com ---------------- Book Overflow is a podcast for software engineers, by software engineers dedicated to improving our craft by reading the best technical books in the world. Join Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups as they read and discuss a new technical book each week! The full book schedule and links to every major podcast player can be found at https://www.bookoverflow.io…
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In this special episode of Book Overflow, Kent Beck joins Carter and Nathan to discuss his book Tidy First? Join them as Kent reflects on the artistry of programming design, the importance of optionality, and how the Time Value of Money applies to software engineering! -- Books Mentioned in this Episode -- Note: As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. ---------------------------------------------------------- Tidy First? https://amzn.to/4atHiKa (Paid Link) ---------------- Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5kj6DLCEWR5nHShlSYJI5L Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/book-overflow/id1745257325 X: https://x.com/bookoverflowpod Carter on X: https://x.com/cartermorgan Nathan's Functionally Imperative: www.functionallyimperative.com ---------------- Book Overflow is a podcast for software engineers, by software engineers dedicated to improving our craft by reading the best technical books in the world. Join Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups as they read and discuss a new technical book each week! The full book schedule and links to every major podcast player can be found at https://www.bookoverflow.io…
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1 Project Leadership & Understanding the Business - The Software Engineer's Guidebook by Gergely Orosz 1:25:49
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this episode of Book Overflow, Carter and Nathan discuss the second half of The Software Engineer's Guidebook by Gergely Orosz. Join them as they discuss work/life balance, project management, and which computer science subreddits to avoid! (We're about 95% sure that Carter recorded with the wrong microphone accidentally, so his audio is a little rough this episode. Sorry!) -- Books Mentioned in this Episode -- Note: As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. ---------------------------------------------------------- The Software Engineer's Guidebook by Gergely Orosz https://amzn.to/3C503GQ (paid link) ---------------- Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5kj6DLCEWR5nHShlSYJI5L Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/book-overflow/id1745257325 X: https://x.com/bookoverflowpod Carter on X: https://x.com/cartermorgan Nathan's Functionally Imperative: www.functionallyimperative.com ---------------- Book Overflow is a podcast for software engineers, by software engineers dedicated to improving our craft by reading the best technical books in the world. Join Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups as they read and discuss a new technical book each week! The full book schedule and links to every major podcast player can be found at https://www.bookoverflow.io…
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1 Owning Your Career - The Software Engineer's Guidebook by Gergely Orosz 1:17:29
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this episode of Book Overflow, Carter and Nathan discuss The Software Engineer's Guidebook by Gergely Orosz. Join them as they discuss software engineering compensation, how to ace your performance reviews, and what "getting things done" means! -- Books Mentioned in this Episode -- Note: As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. ---------------------------------------------------------- The Software Engineer's Guidebook by Gergely Orosz https://amzn.to/3C503GQ (paid link) ---------------- Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5kj6DLCEWR5nHShlSYJI5L Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/book-overflow/id1745257325 X: https://x.com/bookoverflowpod Carter on X: https://x.com/cartermorgan Nathan's Functionally Imperative: www.functionallyimperative.com ---------------- Book Overflow is a podcast for software engineers, by software engineers dedicated to improving our craft by reading the best technical books in the world. Join Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups as they read and discuss a new technical book each week! The full book schedule and links to every major podcast player can be found at https://www.bookoverflow.io…
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In this season finale of Book Overflow, Carter and Nathan put their memories to the test and see if they can guess which quotes come from which books! Using their custom built Book Overflow Game (game.bookoverflow.io), Carter and Nathan present themselves with a series of quotes from all the books they read and try to identify which book the quote is from! Thank you for a great 2024! We'll see you in January of 2025! -- Books Mentioned in this Episode -- Note: As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. ---------------------------------------------------------- ---------------- Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5kj6DLCEWR5nHShlSYJI5L Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/book-overflow/id1745257325 X: https://x.com/bookoverflowpod Carter on X: https://x.com/cartermorgan Nathan's Functionally Imperative: www.functionallyimperative.com ---------------- Book Overflow is a podcast for software engineers, by software engineers dedicated to improving our craft by reading the best technical books in the world. Join Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups as they read and discuss a new technical book each week! The full book schedule and links to every major podcast player can be found at https://www.bookoverflow.io…
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1 Our Top Five Books! - Book Overflow 2024 1:03:14
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this special episode of Book Overflow, Carter and Nathan review their top five books of the year! Join them as they discuss their favorite books, why they cracked the top five, and their thoughts on the first year of Book Overflow! -- Books Mentioned in this Episode -- Note: As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. ---------------------------------------------------------- ---------------- Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5kj6DLCEWR5nHShlSYJI5L Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/book-overflow/id1745257325 X: https://x.com/bookoverflowpod Carter on X: https://x.com/cartermorgan Nathan's Functionally Imperative: www.functionallyimperative.com ---------------- Book Overflow is a podcast for software engineers, by software engineers dedicated to improving our craft by reading the best technical books in the world. Join Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups as they read and discuss a new technical book each week! The full book schedule and links to every major podcast player can be found at https://www.bookoverflow.io…
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1 Accountability Retrospective - Book Overflow 2024 1:21:39
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this special episode of Book Overflow, Carter and Nathan review all the promises they made at the end of each episode when they ask each other "What will you do differently in your career as a result of having read this book?" Join them as they review every goal they set, whether or not they kept it, and what they've learned from this year of reading the best technical books in the world! -- Books Mentioned in this Episode -- Note: As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. ---------------------------------------------------------- ---------------- Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5kj6DLCEWR5nHShlSYJI5L Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/book-overflow/id1745257325 X: https://x.com/bookoverflowpod Carter on X: https://x.com/cartermorgan Nathan's Functionally Imperative: www.functionallyimperative.com ---------------- Book Overflow is a podcast for software engineers, by software engineers dedicated to improving our craft by reading the best technical books in the world. Join Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups as they read and discuss a new technical book each week! The full book schedule and links to every major podcast player can be found at https://www.bookoverflow.io…
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1 Agile, Good or Bad? - The Agile Manifesto 1:13:51
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this episode of Book Overflow, Carter and Nathan discuss The Agile Manifesto, a free-to-read document that has greatly defined the modern software engineering landscape. Join them as they discuss its legacy, how it persists in software engineering today, and whether it was ultimately a good or bad development! -- Books Mentioned in this Episode -- Note: As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. ---------------------------------------------------------- The Agile Manifesto https://agilemanifesto.org/ ---------------- Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5kj6DLCEWR5nHShlSYJI5L Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/book-overflow/id1745257325 X: https://x.com/bookoverflowpod Carter on X: https://x.com/cartermorgan Nathan's Functionally Imperative: www.functionallyimperative.com ---------------- Book Overflow is a podcast for software engineers, by software engineers dedicated to improving our craft by reading the best technical books in the world. Join Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups as they read and discuss a new technical book each week! The full book schedule and links to every major podcast player can be found at https://www.bookoverflow.io…
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1 Web App Fundamentals - The Twelve-Factor App 1:10:53
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this episode of Book Overflow, Carter and Nathan discuss The Twelve-Factor App, a free-to-read manifesto on the fundamentals of building a modern web application. Join them as they discuss scalability, statelessness, and the proper way to handle logs! -- Books Mentioned in this Episode -- Note: As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. ---------------------------------------------------------- The Twelve-Factor App https://12factor.net/ Web Scalability for Startup Engineers by Artur Ejsmont https://amzn.to/3AWkfKp (paid link) ---------------- Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5kj6DLCEWR5nHShlSYJI5L Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/book-overflow/id1745257325 X: https://x.com/bookoverflowpod Carter on X: https://x.com/cartermorgan Nathan's Functionally Imperative: www.functionallyimperative.com ---------------- Book Overflow is a podcast for software engineers, by software engineers dedicated to improving our craft by reading the best technical books in the world. Join Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups as they read and discuss a new technical book each week! The full book schedule and links to every major podcast player can be found at https://www.bookoverflow.io…
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1 Brian Kernighan Reflects on Unix: A History and a Memoir 1:06:37
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this special episode of Book Overflow, Brian Kernighan once again joins Carter and Nathan, this time to discuss his book Unix: A History and a Memoir. Join them as Brian recounts what it was like working at Bell Labs, how it feels to have contributed so much to the world of computing, and whether or not he thinks creating a big idea like Unix is still possible! -- Books Mentioned in this Episode -- Note: As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. ---------------------------------------------------------- Unix: A History and a Memoir https://amzn.to/3YVnlYv (Paid Link) ---------------- Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5kj6DLCEWR5nHShlSYJI5L Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/book-overflow/id1745257325 X: https://x.com/bookoverflowpod Carter on X: https://x.com/cartermorgan Nathan's Functionally Imperative: www.functionallyimperative.com ---------------- Book Overflow is a podcast for software engineers, by software engineers dedicated to improving our craft by reading the best technical books in the world. Join Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups as they read and discuss a new technical book each week! The full book schedule and links to every major podcast player can be found at https://www.bookoverflow.io…
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1 Keeping Your Codebase Clean - Tidy First? by Kent Beck 1:15:47
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this episode of Book Overflow, Carter and Nathan discuss Tidy First? by Kent Beck. Join them as they discuss when you should prioritize tidying your code over feature improvements, what tidying means, and the Beck's thoughts on software and the time value of money! -- Books Mentioned in this Episode -- Note: As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. ---------------------------------------------------------- Tidy First?: A Personal Exercise in Empirical Software Design by Kent Beck https://amzn.to/40uOEtL (paid link) Refactoring: Improving the Design of Existing Code (2nd Edition) by Martin Fowler https://amzn.to/3C9d5mq (paid link) Building Evolutionary Architectures: Automated Software Governance by Neal Ford, Rebecca Parsons, Patrick Kua, Pramod Sadalage https://amzn.to/4fmoIVC (paid link) A Philosophy of Software Design, 2nd Edition by John Ousterhout https://amzn.to/4ecmYgv (paid link) The Practice of Programming by Brian Kernighan, Rob Pike https://amzn.to/4fuMP4b (paid link) ---------------- 00:00 Intro 03:14 About the Book 05:41 Thoughts on the Book 11:17 Techniques and Approaches for Tidying (Part 1) 36:20 How to prioritize and manage tidying tasks (Part 2) 47:30 Optionality, Reversibility and The Philosophy of Tidying (Part 3) 01:05:38 Final Thoughts ---------------- Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5kj6DLCEWR5nHShlSYJI5L Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/book-overflow/id1745257325 X: https://x.com/bookoverflowpod Carter on X: https://x.com/cartermorgan Nathan's Functionally Imperative: www.functionallyimperative.com ---------------- Book Overflow is a podcast for software engineers, by software engineers dedicated to improving our craft by reading the best technical books in the world. Join Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups as they read and discuss a new technical book each week! The full book schedule and links to every major podcast player can be found at https://www.bookoverflow.io…
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1 Pramod Sadalage Reflects on Building Evolutionary Architectures 1:01:30
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this special episode of Book Overflow, Pramod Sadalage joins Carter and Nathan to discuss his book Building Evolutionary Architectures. Join them as Pramod shares his thoughts on how he became a database expert, the differences between refactoring code and databases, and how AI is affecting how we work with databases! -- Books Mentioned in this Episode -- Note: As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. ---------------------------------------------------------- Building Evolutionary Architectures https://amzn.to/4eoXWuX (Paid Link) ---------------- Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5kj6DLCEWR5nHShlSYJI5L Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/book-overflow/id1745257325 X: https://x.com/bookoverflowpod Carter on X: https://x.com/cartermorgan Nathan's Functionally Imperative: www.functionallyimperative.com ---------------- Book Overflow is a podcast for software engineers, by software engineers dedicated to improving our craft by reading the best technical books in the world. Join Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups as they read and discuss a new technical book each week! The full book schedule and links to every major podcast player can be found at https://www.bookoverflow.io…
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1 The Legacy of Unix - Unix: A History and a Memoir by Brian Kernighan 1:23:55
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this episode of Book Overflow, Carter and Nathan discuss Unix: A History and a Memoir by Brian Kernighan. Brian Kernighan, one of the inventors of Unix, discusses in detail how the idea came to be, who the key contributors were, and what about Unix made it so revolutionary. -- Books Mentioned in this Episode -- Note: As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. ---------------------------------------------------------- Unix: A History and a Memoir by Brian Kernighan https://amzn.to/40bB6mN (paid link) ---------------- Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5kj6DLCEWR5nHShlSYJI5L Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/book-overflow/id1745257325 X: https://x.com/bookoverflowpod Carter on X: https://x.com/cartermorgan Nathan's Functionally Imperative: www.functionallyimperative.com ---------------- Book Overflow is a podcast for software engineers, by software engineers dedicated to improving our craft by reading the best technical books in the world. Join Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups as they read and discuss a new technical book each week! The full book schedule and links to every major podcast player can be found at https://www.bookoverflow.io…
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1 New Horizons & Executive Politicking - The Unicorn Project by Gene Kim 1:23:46
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this episode of Book Overflow, Carter and Nathan finish their discussion of The Unicorn Project by Gene Kim. Written in the style of a novel, join them as they discuss how businesses bet big on new ideas, dealing with layoffs, and executive politicking! -- Books Mentioned in this Episode -- Note: As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. ---------------------------------------------------------- The Unicorn Project by Gene Kim https://amzn.to/3XJFg2u (paid link) ---------------- Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5kj6DLCEWR5nHShlSYJI5L Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/book-overflow/id1745257325 X: https://x.com/bookoverflowpod Carter on X: https://x.com/cartermorgan Nathan's Functionally Imperative: www.functionallyimperative.com ---------------- Book Overflow is a podcast for software engineers, by software engineers dedicated to improving our craft by reading the best technical books in the world. Join Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups as they read and discuss a new technical book each week! The full book schedule and links to every major podcast player can be found at https://www.bookoverflow.io…
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1 Rebecca Parsons Reflects on Building Evolutionary Architectures 56:02
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this special episode of Book Overflow, Rebecca Parsons joins Carter and Nathan to discuss her book Building Evolutionary Architectures. Join them as Rebecca shares her thoughts on the benefits of abstractions, how the computer science industry has changed during her tenure, and how her academic work on genetic algorithms influenced the book! -- Books Mentioned in this Episode -- Note: As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. ---------------------------------------------------------- Building Evolutionary Architectures https://amzn.to/4eoXWuX (Paid Link) ---------------- Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5kj6DLCEWR5nHShlSYJI5L Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/book-overflow/id1745257325 X: https://x.com/bookoverflowpod Carter on X: https://x.com/cartermorgan Nathan's Functionally Imperative: www.functionallyimperative.com ---------------- Book Overflow is a podcast for software engineers, by software engineers dedicated to improving our craft by reading the best technical books in the world. Join Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups as they read and discuss a new technical book each week! The full book schedule and links to every major podcast player can be found at https://www.bookoverflow.io…
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1 You Build It, You Run It - The Unicorn Project by Gene Kim 1:12:33
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this episode of Book Overflow, Carter and Nathan discuss Part Two of The Unicorn Project by Gene Kim. Written in the style of a novel, join them as they discuss the protagonist Maxine's journey of transforming the failing Phoenix Project from a big ball of mud into an agile, efficient architecture! -- Books Mentioned in this Episode -- Note: As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. ---------------------------------------------------------- The Unicorn Project by Gene Kim https://amzn.to/3XJFg2u (paid link) ---------------- Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5kj6DLCEWR5nHShlSYJI5L Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/book-overflow/id1745257325 X: https://x.com/bookoverflowpod Carter on X: https://x.com/cartermorgan Nathan's Functionally Imperative: www.functionallyimperative.com ---------------- Book Overflow is a podcast for software engineers, by software engineers dedicated to improving our craft by reading the best technical books in the world. Join Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups as they read and discuss a new technical book each week! The full book schedule and links to every major podcast player can be found at https://www.bookoverflow.io…
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1 Martin Fowler Reflects on Refactoring: Improving the Design of Existing Code 1:10:55
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this special episode of Book Overflow, Martin Fowler joins Carter and Nathan to discuss his book Refactoring: Improving the Design of Existing Code. Join them as Martin shares why he wrote Refactoring, how the art of refactoring has changed, and how he views the book's legacy!https://martinfowler.com/-- Books Mentioned in this Episode --Note: As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.----------------------------------------------------------Refactoring: Improving the Design of Existing Code by Martin Fowler and Kent Beckhttps://amzn.to/4enmuox (paid link)The Art of Agile Development, 2nd Edition by James Shore and Shane Wardenhttps://amzn.to/47TiM3D (paid link)Make No Law: The Sullivan Case and the First Amendment by Anthony Lewishttps://amzn.to/3zJ3K3O (paid link)----------------00:00 Intro01:58 Motivation for writing the book09:45 Refactoring, Extreme Programming, and testing19:17 Estimating, Unknowns, and Complexity23:40 Trust and High Performing Teams30:32 refactoring in the wild: imitate, assimilate, innovate, best practices and sensible defaults43:39 Legacy of the book and rational for second edition47:35 What are the role of books now? Evergreen content, Long-form content in a world of short-form content.01:03:21 Book Recommendations01:09:12 Closing Thoughts----------------Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5kj6DLCEWR5nHShlSYJI5LApple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/book-overflow/id1745257325X: https://x.com/bookoverflowpodCarter on X: https://x.com/cartermorganNathan's Functionally Imperative: www.functionallyimperative.com----------------Book Overflow is a podcast for software engineers, by software engineers dedicated to improving our craft by reading the best technical books in the world. Join Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups as they read and discuss a new technical book each week!The full book schedule and links to every major podcast player can be found at https://www.bookoverflow.io…
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1 Local Development & Maddening Bureaucracy - The Unicorn Project by Gene Kim 1:31:16
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this episode of Book Overflow, Carter and Nathan discuss the part one of The Unicorn Project by Gene Kim. Written in the style of a novel, join them as they discuss the protagonist Maxine's journey of being assigned to a failing project, working within a maddening bureaucracy, fighting for easy local development! -- Books Mentioned in this Episode -- Note: As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. ---------------------------------------------------------- The Unicorn Project by Gene Kim https://amzn.to/3XJFg2u (paid link) ---------------- Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5kj6DLCEWR5nHShlSYJI5L Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/book-overflow/id1745257325 X: https://x.com/bookoverflowpod Carter on X: https://x.com/cartermorgan Nathan's Functionally Imperative: www.functionallyimperative.com ---------------- Book Overflow is a podcast for software engineers, by software engineers dedicated to improving our craft by reading the best technical books in the world. Join Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups as they read and discuss a new technical book each week! The full book schedule and links to every major podcast player can be found at https://www.bookoverflow.io…
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1 Work at a Natural Pace & Obsess Over Quality - Slow Productivity by Cal Newport 1:38:09
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this episode of Book Overflow, Carter and Nathan discuss the second half of Slow Productivty by MIT-educated computer scientist and productivity expert Cal Newport. Join them as they discuss what it means to work at a natural pace, how to obsess over quality, and the useful tactics Cal Newport recommends to do both! -- Books Mentioned in this Episode -- Note: As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. ---------------------------------------------------------- Slow Produtivity by Cal Newport https://amzn.to/3B6cscM (paid link) ---------------- Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5kj6DLCEWR5nHShlSYJI5L Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/book-overflow/id1745257325 X: https://x.com/bookoverflowpod Carter on X: https://x.com/cartermorgan ---------------- Book Overflow is a podcast for software engineers, by software engineers dedicated to improving our craft by reading the best technical books in the world. Join Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups as they read and discuss a new technical book each week! The full book schedule and links to every major podcast player can be found at https://www.bookoverflow.io…
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1 Neal Ford Reflects on "Building Evolutionary Architectures" 1:04:29
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this special episode of Book Overflow, Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups are joined by Neal Ford as he reflects on his book Building Evolutionary Architectures. Join them as they discuss the inspiration for the book, the process of writing it with three other co-authors, and how Neal envisions the future of software architecture! ---------------- Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5kj6DLCEWR5nHShlSYJI5L Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/book-overflow/id1745257325 X: https://x.com/bookoverflowpod Carter on X: https://x.com/cartermorgan…
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1 Delivering High Value Work & Doing Fewer Things - Slow Productivity by Cal Newport 1:30:26
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this episode of Book Overflow, Carter and Nathan discuss Slow Productivty by MIT-educated computer scientist and productivity expert Cal Newport. Join them as they discuss how to avoid burnout, how to balance ambition with stamina, and useful productivity hacks Cal Newport recommends! -- Books Mentioned in this Episode -- To see a full list of books mentioned in the episode, check the YouTube video description at https://youtu.be/MMzbez42oPg ---------------- Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5kj6DLCEWR5nHShlSYJI5L Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/book-overflow/id1745257325 X: https://x.com/bookoverflowpod Carter on X: https://x.com/cartermorgan ---------------- Book Overflow is a podcast for software engineers, by software engineers dedicated to improving our craft by reading the best technical books in the world. Join Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups as they read and discuss a new technical book each week! The full book schedule and links to every major podcast player can be found at https://www.bookoverflow.io…
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1 Adrienne Braganza Reflects on "Looks Good To Me" 1:08:38
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this special episode of Book Overflow, Adrienne Braganza joins Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups to reflect on her book, "Looks Good To Me." Join them as they discuss what motivated her to learn so much about code reviews, the process of becoming an author, and what motivated her to become a software engineer in the first place! -- Books Mentioned in this Episode -- Note: As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. ---------------------------------------------------------- Looks Good To Me by Adrienne Braganza https://amzn.to/3AZHTFz Working Effectively With Legacy Code by Michael C. Feathers https://amzn.to/3Xox8UJ You Don't Need a Title to Be a Leader by Mark Sanborn https://amzn.to/3AUWamU Della Fattoria Bread: 63 Foolproof Recipes for Yeasted, Enriched & Naturally Leavened Breads by Kathleen Weber https://amzn.to/4e54QpK The Best Simple Recipes: More Than 200 Flavorful, Foolproof Recipes That Cook in 30 Minutes or Less by America's Test Kitchen https://amzn.to/4efcE8t ---------------- Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5kj6DLCEWR5nHShlSYJI5L Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/book-overflow/id1745257325 X: https://x.com/bookoverflowpod Carter on X: https://x.com/cartermorgan ---------------- Book Overflow is a podcast for software engineers, by software engineers dedicated to improving our craft by reading the best technical books in the world. Join Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups as they read and discuss a new technical book each week! The full book schedule and links to every major podcast player can be found at https://www.bookoverflow.io…
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1 "Looks Good To Me" by Adrienne Braganza (Part 2) 1:08:51
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this episode of Book Overflow, Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups discuss "Looks Good To Me" by Adrienne Braganza. Join them as they discuss what makes a bad code review, pair programming, AI automation, and more!
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1 Stephen Wolfram Reflects on What Is ChatGPT Doing... And Why Does It Work? 1:15:39
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this special episode of Book Overflow, Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups sit down with Stephen Wolfram to discuss his book What Is ChatGPT Doing... And Why Does It Work? Tune in as he discusses his initial experiments with OpenAI, how his early work in particle physics influenced his current work with LLMs, and his thoughts on if ChatGPT is truly intelligent! -- Books Mentioned in this Episode -- For a list of books mentioned in this episode, see the episode description at https://youtu.be/Aw7_CBczUD4 ---------------- Original discussion of the book: https://youtu.be/4gyi9UDSzw4 ---------------- https://www.x.com/bookoverflowpod Book Overflow is a podcast for software engineers, by software engineers dedicated to improving our craft by reading the best technical books in the world. Join Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups as they read and discuss a new technical book each week! The full book schedule and links to every major podcast player can be found at https://www.bookoverflow.io…
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1 "Looks Good To Me" by Adrienne Braganza (Part 1) 1:10:17
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this episode of Book Overflow, Carter Morgan and Nathan toups discuss "Looks Good To Me" by Adrienne Braganza. Join them as they discuss everything about code reviews, including automation, team procedures, and more! Carter on For Your Amusement: https://youtu.be/rhdyrTXbvlg?si=9csVUrBEWonG40VY To get links to the books mentioned in this episode, check the YouTube episode description at https://youtu.be/8B4_hl2dcow 00:00 Intro 04:30 About the Book 07:04 General Thoughts on the Book 12:49 A high-level overview of code reviews 16:14 Learning together, knowledge-sharing, Jargon, Process, and Automation 27:00 Keys to Effective Code Review Process, Roles, and Expectations 46:07 Tools, Platforms, and Patterns Standards for Code Reviews 01:03:46 Closing Thoughts Tools and technology mentioned in the episode: - Phabricator https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phabricator - Phorge (successor to Phabricator) https://we.phorge.it/ - Gerrit https://www.gerritcodereview.com/ - Conventional Commits https://www.conventionalcommits.org/en/v1.0.0/ - Github https://github.com/ - Semantic Versioning (SEMVER) https://semver.org/ Book Overflow is a podcast for software engineers, by software engineers dedicated to improving our craft by reading the best technical books in the world. Join Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups as they read and discuss a new technical book each week! The full book schedule and links to every major podcast player can be found at https://www.bookoverflow.io…
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1 Carl Brown (Internet of Bugs) Shares His Favorite Books 1:06:42
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this special episode of Book Overflow, Carl Brown (of the YouTube channel Internet of Bugs) joins Carter and Nathan to share some of his favorite books! Carl is incredibly well read and shares which books have influenced him over his very impressive 35 year career. To get links to the books mentioned in this episode, check the YouTube episode description at https://youtu.be/GL0EE_cv9T0 00:00 Intro 02:17 How did Internet of Bugs come to be? 06:03 Why still read tech books? 08:32 Mythical Man-Month 14:40 Philosophy of Software Design, TCL/TK, 25:56 Advanced Programming in Unix and TCP/IP Illustrated 32:32 How important is it to be well-versed in Unix? 42:27 Freelance, Business, and Consulting book recommendations 52:57 Lightning Round: Managing your programming career, philosophy, and general advice 01:02:34 Final Thoughts…
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1 "Building Evolutionary Architectures" by Neal Ford, Rebecca Parsons, Patrick Kua, and Pramod Sadalage (Part 2) 1:17:30
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this episode of Book Overflow, Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups discuss "Building Evolutionary Architectures" by Neal Ford, Rebecca Parsons, Patrick Kua, and Pramod Sadalage. Join them as they discuss how to evolve your data schema, modern DevOps practices, and common architectural pitfalls and antipatterns.…
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1 Host of Syntax Podcast Scott Tolinski Shares His Favorite Books 1:08:50
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this special episode of Book Overflow, Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups sit down with Scott Tolinski, the host of the web development podcast Syntax. Join the three of them as they discuss Scott's favorite books, his career as a developer, and what you can learn by being a voracious reader! Links to all the books discussed in the episode can be found in the YouTube episode description: https://youtu.be/kJs9pVy94jM…
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1 "Building Evolutionary Architectures" by Neal Ford, Rebecca Parsons, Patrick Kua, and Pramod Sadalage (Part 1) 1:31:34
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this episode of Book Overflow, Carter Morgan and Nathan toups discuss "Building Evolutionary Architecture" by Neal Ford, Rebecca Parsons, Patrick Kua, and Pramod Sadalage. Join them as they discuss how the approaches to designing software architecture have changed over the years, the purpose of fitness functions, and how trying to re-use code can backfire!…
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1 Apple Design Award Winner Devin Davies Shares His Learning Strategies 45:58
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this episode of Book Overflow, Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups interview Apple Design Award Winner Devin Davies! Devin won the Apple Design Award for his recipe app Crouton, which was featured prominently by the Wall Street Journal for its creative use of the visionOS platform. In keeping with the podcast theme of continuous education, Devin tells the story of how he started Crouton, what he needed to learn to create it, and how he learned it. This episode is a little outside of our usual fare, so please let us know in the comments if you'd like more of them!…
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1 "Recoding America" by Jennifer Pahlka 1:08:58
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this episode of Book Overflow, Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups discuss "Recoding America: Why Government Is Failing in the Digital Age and How We Can Do Better" by Jennifer Pahlka. This book was personally recommended by Brian Kernighan and is about what processes and cultures make government technology so woefully inadequate. Join Carter and Nathan as they discuss agile vs. waterfall, the importance of a good business culture, and possible infringements on civil liberties!…
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1 Robert "Uncle Bob" Martin Reflects on "Clean Coder" 1:08:46
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this very special episode of Book Overflow, Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups are joined by the prolific Robert "Uncle Bob" Martin to discuss his book "Clean Coder." Join them as Uncle Bob talks about his thoughts on the "flow zone," humility, and what coding has to do with flying an airplane! Links to all the books mentioned in the episode can be found in the YouTube episode description: https://youtu.be/wf68VDObVX0 00:00 Intro 03:29 Motivation for writing Clean Coder 06:00 Learning from Life Experiences 09:39 Professionalism and the Challenger Story 17:14 Pros and Cons of Flow State (The Zone) 21:10 Learning from your mistakes 24:11 Sobriety (and a story of getting drunk at a party) 30:17 Timeless advice, Professionalism, and saying No 35:39 Blameless Postmortems and taking responsibility 40:03 Agency, Control, Situational Awareness and Culture 43:58 Unconventional career paths and creativity 53:00 Layers of Abstraction 56:16 Thoughts on AI and LLMs 01:00:58 Book Recommendations 01:06:49 Closing Thoughts…
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1 "Web Scalability for Startup Engineers" by Artur Ejsmont (Part 2) 1:28:15
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this episode of Book Overflow, Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups finish up their discussion of "Web Scalability for Startup Engineers" by Artur Ejsmont. Join them as they discuss caching strategies, async messaging, and managing burnout in your career! Book Overflow is a podcast for software engineers, by software engineers dedicated to improving our craft by reading the best technical books in the world. Join Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups as they read and discuss a new technical book each week! The full book schedule and links to every major podcast player can be found at https://www.bookoverflow.io…
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1 Michael Feathers Reflects on "Working Effectively with Legacy Code" 58:22
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this special episode of Book Overflow, Michael Feathers joins Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups to reflect on his book "Working Effectively with Legacy Code." Join them as they discuss the pros and cons of TDD, the dangers of AI hallucination, and why Michael became a software engineer!
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1 "Web Scalability for Startup Engineers" by Artur Ejsmont (Part 1) 1:24:22
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this episode of Book Overflow, Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups discuss "Web Scalability for Startup Engineers" by Artur Ejsmont. Join them as they discuss how to build a stateless front-end, the benefits of microservices, and the differences between SQL and NoSQL!
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1 John Ousterhout Reflects on "A Philosophy of Software Design" 59:34
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this special episode of Book Overflow, Dr. John Ousterhout joins Carter and Nathan to discuss his book "A Philosophy of Software Design." He reflects on why he wrote the book, how he teaches the principles in it to his Stanford students, and what we can learn from our mistakes. --------------- 00:00 Intro 01:18 Motivation for writing this book 06:17 Why No TAs for Stanford Class 08:55 Thoughts on TDD 14:24 Design it Twice 20:30 Most Surprising Feedback 31:46 Taking suggestions with a grain of salt 33:20 Curiosity and Humility 36:13 Misunderstandings from the book 39:37 Strong opinions, humility, and fear of being wrong 44:35 Unconventional Career Paths 50:13 What are you reading? 51:22 Thoughts on Clean Code 53:50 Advice for new software engineers 58:00 Closing Thoughts…
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1 "Working Effectively with Legacy Code" by Michael Feathers (Part 2) 1:18:52
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this episode of Book Overflow, Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups discuss the second half of "Working Effectively with Legacy Code" by Michael Feathers. Join them as they discuss how to keep up a good attitude while working on legacy code, how to get started when you're intimidated, and some of the legacy and greenfield projects they've worked on in their careers! ------------ Book Overflow is a podcast for software engineers, by software engineers dedicated to improving our craft by reading the best technical books in the world. Join Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups as they read and discuss a new technical book each week! The full book schedule and links to every major podcast player can be found at https://bookoverflow.io https://x.com/bookoverflowpod…
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1 Neal Ford Reflects on "Fundamentals of Software Architecture" 1:02:20
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this special episode of Book Overflow, Neal Ford joins the podcast to reflect on his book "Fundamentals of Software Architecture!" Join Carter and Nathan as they discuss the challenges of compromising with the business, what shifts AI is bringing to the software architecture world, and what sci-fi Neal's been reading lately!…
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1 "Working Effectively with Legacy Code" by Michael Feathers (Part 1) 1:22:02
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedCarter Morgan and Nathan Toups read and discuss the first half of "Working Effectively with Legacy Code" by Michael Feathers. Join them as they reflect on dependency inversion, the importance of interfaces, and continue their never-ending debate on the pros and cons of Test-Driven Development! (The audio gets a little de-synced in the last three minutes. Carter isn't talking over Nathan on purpose!) Chapter markers: 00:00 Intro 04:51 Thoughts on the book 10:54 Defining Legacy Code 21:53 Quick Break: Pull Requests 22:38 How to change software 44:30 Quick Break: CI/CD 45:15 Testing Legacy Code 1:15:10 Quick Break: Linting 1:16:01 Closing Thoughts…
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1 Brian Kernighan Reflects on "The Practice of Programming" 59:04
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this very special episode of Book Overflow, Dr. Brian Kernighan, the author of "The Practice of Programming" joins us to discuss his experience writing the book! Tune in as he talks about his experience at Bell Labs, what it was like co-authoring the book with Rob Pike, his thoughts on LLMs and the future of programming, and more! 00:00 - Intro 02:38 - Why write this book? 12:23 - Working at Bell Labs 16:29 - Life Learning Process 22:33 - What motivates you to write a book? 28:13 - AI and LLMs 35:48 - Layers of Abstraction 37:50 - What excites you about the future? 41:34 - Programmatic Thinking in Humanities 50:13 - Favorite Books 57:39 - Closing Thoughts…
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1 "Clean Coder" by Robert “Uncle Bob” Martin 1:15:44
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this episode of Book Overflow, Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups read and discuss "Clean Coder: A Code of Conduct for Professional Programmers" by Bob Martin. Join them as they discuss what it means to be a professional, how you can say "no" to your boss, and more!
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1 Mark Richards Reflects on "Fundamentals of Software Architecture" 1:01:32
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this very special episode of Book Overflow, Mark Richards joins the podcast to reflect on his book, "Fundamentals of Software Architecture"! Join us as we discuss with Mark what inspired the book, what he wish he had changed, and what he's excited about for the future!
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1 "Fundamentals of Software Architecture" by Mark Richards and Neal Ford (Part 2) 1:31:00
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedThis week Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups finished reading "Fundamentals of Software Architecture" by Mark Richards and Neal Ford. They provide an overview of their favorite architectures from the book as well as discuss the importance of soft skills in selling your technical vision!
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1 "Fundamentals of Software Architecture" by Mark Richards and Neal Ford (Part 1) 1:23:22
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedThis week Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups read the first half of "Fundamentals of Software Architecture" by Mark Richards and Neal Ford. They discuss what exactly software architecture is, how everything is a trade-off, and how we can keep our architectural skills sharp as software engineers. You don't want to miss this great discussion!…
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1 "What Is ChatGPT Doing... And Why Does It Work?" by Stephen Wolfram 1:01:05
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedCarter Morgan and Nathan Toups discuss Stephen Wolfram's excellent primer on ChatGPT! An incredibly dense work, they briefly summarize its key takeaways, talk about whether or ChatGPT is truly intelligent, and reflect on how their views of the current AI landscape have changed after reading this book. Enjoy!…
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1 "Refactoring: Improving the Design of Existing Code" by Martin Fowler 47:06
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedCarter Morgan and Nathan Toups discuss "Refactoring: Improving the Design of Existing Code" by Martin Fowler. Join them as they talk about the importance of automated testing when refactoring, how to play nice, and how refactoring can be justified as a business consideration!
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1 "A Philosophy of Software Design" by John Ousterhout 57:07
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedCarter Morgan and Nathan Toups discuss "A Philosophy of Software Design" by John Ousterhout. Join them as they talk about pulling complexity downward, the importance of code clarity, and the book's subtle rebuttals to Uncle Bob's Clean Code!
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1 "The Practice of Programming" by Brian Kernighan and Rob Pike 1:10:11
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this inaugural episode of Book Overflow, Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups discuss "The Practice of Programming" by Brian Kernighan and Rob Pike. Written in 1999, Carter and Nathan discuss its timeless advice around style guides, interfaces, and debugging, as well as reflecting on how the software engineering industry has changed in the 25 years since it's been written.…
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