Why AI Doesn’t Think Like Us Class Disrupted podcast

—

In this end-of-season episode, Michael and Diane come together in person to reflect on the arc of their AI-focused sixth season. They discuss key themes and takeaways, including the enduring importance of foundational knowledge, skepticism around the speed and impact of AI-driven change within traditional schools, and how transformative innovation is more likely to emerge from new educational models outside the mainstream. Their conversation explores the challenges and opportunities AI brings, particularly in developing curiosity as a critical habit for learners, and revisits how their own perspectives shifted throughout the season. https://archive.org/download/end-of-season-episode-edited/End%20of%20season%20episode%20EDITED.mp3 Episode transcript: Transcript – Last episode of CD Download…

Class Disrupted

1
Processing AI in Education Out Loud

8 weeks ago

—

Diane and Michael talk through what they’ve learned from their recent miniseries on AI in education. They discuss how AI offers unprecedented access to expertise, but also highlight concerns about its effectiveness for young learners. Throughout, Diane and Michael grapple with skepticism, optimism, and the practical challenges of embedding AI in educational systems, all while looking ahead to what meaningful, student-centered innovation could look like. https://archive.org/download/96905-future-of-education-processing-ai-in-education-out-loud-v-2/96905_Future%20of%20Education_Processing%20AI%20in%20Education%20Out%20Loud_v2.mp3 Episode transcript: Title_ Processing AI in Education Out Loud Download…

Class Disrupted

1
The Premortem on AI in Education with Rebecca Winthrop

13 weeks ago

—

In this episode of Class Disrupted, hosts Michael Horn and Diane Tavenner chat with Rebecca Winthrop, a senior fellow and director at the Brookings Institution, about the impact of AI on education. The conversation kicks off by highlighting Rebecca’s idea of a premortem approach, which involves anticipating the negative impacts of AI before they occur and strategizing ways to mitigate these risks. They identify key concerns such as cognitive offloading, manipulation, and the effects on socialization and consider how this technology might catalyze a rethinking of the purpose of education. https://archive.org/download/winthrop-video/Winthrop%20Video.mp3 Episode transcript: The Premortem on AI by Rebecca Winthrop Download…

Class Disrupted

1
The Challenges AI Poses for Learning How to Write

15 weeks ago

—

In this episode, Diane Tavenner and Michael Horn delve into the role of AI in writing education with Jane Rosenzweig, director of the Harvard College Writing Center. Jane underscores the importance of writing as a process of thinking and warns against the “deskilling” of students because of an overreliance on AI. The conversation explores how AI may aid resource shortages in education, while also pondering if AI’s efficiency overshadows the importance of deep learning and authentic writing skills. https://archive.org/download/93863-v-2/93863_V2.mp3 Episode transcript: Jane Rosenzweig Download…

Class Disrupted

1
Needed: Real Experiences, Real People

17 weeks ago

—

On this episode, Diane and Michael welcome guest Julia Freeland Fisher, a distinguished researcher from the Clayton Christensen Institute, whose work delves into the intersection of AI and education. The conversation explores the potential and challenges AI presents in the educational landscape. Julia shares her insights on the importance of using AI to enhance personalized learning experiences and facilitate real-world connections for students. She also voices her concerns about AI’s impact on human connection, emphasizing the risk of AI replacing genuine interpersonal relationships. https://archive.org/download/92929-future-of-education-julia-freeland-fisher-on-class-disrupted-with-intro-v-01/92929_Future%20of%20Education_Julia%20Freeland%20Fisher%20on%20Class%20Disrupted%20with%20intro_V01.mp3 Episode transcript: Real Experiences, Real People with Julia Freeland Fisher Download…

Class Disrupted

1
How AI Could Lead to a Massive Productivity Boost in Education

19 weeks ago

—

In this episode of Class Disrupted, Michael and Diane chat with Siya Raj Purohit, who works on education initiatives at OpenAI, about the transformative potential of AI in education. Siya shares her career journey and how it led her to focus on bridging the gap between education and workforce development. Highlighting the immense value of AI tools like ChatGPT, particularly in university settings, she underscores its potential to personalize learning, reduce teacher burnout, and enhance classroom interactions. Siya also addresses concerns around AI by emphasizing that while AI can elevate thinking and productivity, the irreplaceable human element in teaching—such as mentorship and personal inspiration—remains vital. https://archive.org/download/massive-productivity-boost/Massive%20Productivity%20Boost.mp3 Episode transcript: The Massive Productivity Boost – Transcript Download…

Class Disrupted

1
Why AI Doesn’t Think Like Us

20 weeks ago

—

Techno-optimists have high hopes for how AI will improve learning. But what’s the merit of the “bull case”, and what are the technology’s risks? To think through those questions, Michael and Diane sit down with Ben Riley of Cognitive Resonance, a “think and do” tank dedicated to improving decisions using cognitive science. They evaluate the cases made for AI, unpack its potential hazards, and discuss how schools can prepare for it. https://archive.org/download/ben-riley-ai-audio/Ben%20Riley%20AI%20-%20Audio.mp3 Episode transcript: Ben Riley on AI Download…

Class Disrupted

1
Democratizing Access to Expertise: AI in Education

22 weeks ago

—

On this episode, John Bailey, who advises on AI and innovation at a number of organizations, including the American Enterprise Institute, Chan Zuckerberg Initiative, and more, joins Michael and Diane. They discuss AI’s potential to democratize access to expertise, weigh the costs and benefits of its efficiency-boosting applications, and consider how it will change skills required for the workforce of the future. https://archive.org/download/john-bailey-audio/John%20Bailey%20-%20Audio.mp3 Episode transcript: Transcript – Democratizing Access to Expertise_ AI in Education Download…

Class Disrupted

1
Our ‘Biases’ About AI

24 weeks ago

—

At the outset of an AI-themed season, our hosts take stock of their prior assumptions, hopes, and concerns about the technology’s applications in education. They dive into where they see it being used to make adjustments to the current educational model and envision how it could be applied to revolutionize learning. https://archive.org/download/our-biases-about-ai-audio/Our%20%27Biases%27%20about%20AI%20-%20Audio.mp3 Episode transcript: Our ‘Biases’ about AI – Transcript Download…

Class Disrupted

1
We’re Back—with Job Moves

32 weeks ago

—

As Diane and Michael launch a sixth season of Class Disrupted, they talk through Michael’s newest book, the bestseller Job Moves: 9 Steps for Making Progress in Your Career , and map its implications back to K12 schools and students through Diane’s startup, Futre.me. https://archive.org/download/class-disrupted-s-6-e-1-final/Class%20Disrupted%20S6%20E1%20final.mp3 Episode transcript: Transcript – Class Disrupted 11_27_2024 Download…

Class Disrupted

1
What the Science Shows a Mentorship Mindset Can Do for Student Motivation

49 weeks ago

—

On their first ever summer episode, Michael and Diane are joined by David Yeager, psychology professor at University of Texas Austin and author of 10 to 25 , a new book on youth development. They discuss lessons on healthy youth development tackled in his book, including the science of mentorship, importance of transparency, and strategies for how to help youth reframe stress. https://archive.org/download/80125-future-of-education-what-the-science-shows-a-mentorship-mindset-can-do-for/80125_Future%20of%20Education_What%20the%20Science%20Shows%20a%20Mentorship%20Mindset%20Can%20Do%20for%20Student%20Motivation_v2.mp3 Episode transcript: Transcript – Class Disrupted with David Yeager Download…

Class Disrupted

1
Concerning Trends in Philanthropy for Education Reform

1 year ago

—

Michael and Diane welcome Stacey Childress, Senior Education Advisor at McKinsey & Co., back to the show to discuss the world of education philanthropy. Stacey draws from her previous experience at New Schools Venture Fund and the Gates Foundation to analyze troubling trends in the sector. The three discuss what funders and operators can do to grow philanthropic investment in education and better deploy those funds. https://archive.org/download/76806-future-of-education-concerning-trends-in-philanthropy-for-education-reform/76806_Future%20of%20Education_Concerning%20Trends%20in%20Philanthropy%20for%20Education%20Reform.mp3 Episode transcript: transcript-concerning-trends-in-philanthropy-for-education-reform- Download…

Class Disrupted

1
Tackling All That K12 Schools Try to Do: The Solutions (Part 2)

1 year ago

—

Michael and Diane welcome back Stacey Childress, Senior Education Advisor at McKinsey & Co., for the second episode of a two-part series on the challenges facing K-12 education and promising strategies for addressing them. In this episode, each of them makes the case for one high-impact reform to address the challenges laid out in the previous episode. They discuss reforming how schools evaluate and recommend students, unbundling the core education experience, and doing more to instill character in values through education. https://archive.org/download/future-of-education-k-12-solutions-part-2-audio/Future%20of%20Education%20-%20K12%20solutions%20part%202%20-Audio.mp3 Episode transcript: transcript-tackling-all-that-k12-school-try-to-do_-the-solutions-part-2- Download…

Class Disrupted

1
Tackling All That K12 Schools Try to Do: The Challenges (Part 1)

1 year ago

—

Michael and Diane welcome back Stacey Childress, Senior Education Advisor at McKinsey & Co., for the first of a two-part series on the challenges facing K-12 education and promising strategies for addressing them. In this episode, they outline the nine roles of K–12 education systems in the U.S. and the problems they face in playing each. They highlight the disconnect between current teaching models and the latest learning sciences, unravel the operational challenges schools face, stress the importance of intentionally teaching character and values, and more. https://archive.org/download/75340-future-of-education-what-k-12-education-tries-to-do-and-where-it-misses/75340_Future%20of%20Education_What%20K12%20Education%20Tries%20To%20Do%20and%20Where%20it%20Misses.mp3 Episode transcript: transcript-tackling-all-that-k12-school-try-to-do_-the-challenges-part-1- Download…

Class Disrupted

1
In Conversation on College: Weighing in on Two Investors’ Diagnoses and Proposals for Higher Ed Part II

1 year ago

—

Stacey Childress, Senior Advisor on Education at McKinsey, joins Michael and Diane for the second episode of a two-part series weighing in on Marc Andreseen and Ben Horowitz’s recent analysis of higher education. In this second episode, they react to the venture capitalists’ proposed solutions for higher education. They evaluate the investors’ recommendations and added their own prescriptions along the way. https://archive.org/download/in-conversation-on-college-part-ii/In%20Conversation%20on%20College%20Part%20II.mp3 Episode transcript: in-conversation-on-college-part-ii Download…

Class Disrupted

1
In Conversation on College: Weighing in on Two Investors’ Diagnoses and Proposals for Higher Ed Part I

1 year ago

—

Michael and Diane welcome Stacey Childress, Senior Advisor on Education at McKinsey, to the podcast for a two-part series weighing in on Marc Andreseen and Ben Horowitz’s recent analysis of higher education. In this first episode, they react to the venture capitalists’ diagnosis of the problems with higher education. They give their vote of where the investors got it right, called out points of disagreement, and added their own insights along the way. https://archive.org/download/in-conversation-on-college-part-i/In%20Conversation%20on%20College%20Part%20I.mp3 Episode transcript: in-conversation-on-college-part-i Download…

Class Disrupted

1
Changing the Equation: How to Make Math Class More Meaningful

1 year ago

—

Michael and Diane discuss why America’s approach to math class isn’t adding up. They analyze the outcomes produced under the status quo, consider the current system’s alignment with workforce needs, and propose a personalized approach to teaching each student the math that is meaningful for their path. https://archive.org/download/class-disrupted-episode-9-audio/Class%20Disrupted%20Episode%209%20Audio.mp3 Episode transcript: class-disrupted-episode-9-transcript Download…

Class Disrupted

1
Providing a Human-Centered, Self-Actualizing Education to Every Student

1 year ago

—

Michael and Diane sit down with Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, a cognitive scientist, researcher, professor, and author focused on intelligence, creativity, and human potential. They discuss the importance of placing all students – not just those that are in gifted or special education programs – at the center of their learning. They also apply nuance to popular concepts in education psychology, consider how intelligence became taboo, and illustrate the importance of seeing the middle way and other sides of the issues. https://archive.org/download/human-first-redefining-intelligence-and-self-actualization-in-education/Human%20First_%20Redefining%20Intelligence%20and%20Self-Actualization%20in%20Education.mp3 Episode transcript: class-disrupted-episode-8 Download…

Class Disrupted

1
The Future of DEI: A Humanity-, Freedom-, and Dreams-Based Approach

1 year ago

—

Diane discusses Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) with Antonio Saunders, co-founder of Kriseles , a DEI and Business Innovation services provider. The two consider the growing opposition to DEI in American politics and media, Antonio’s innovative and unapologetically hopeful model for DEI, and their collaboration to leverage that model to drive change at Summit Schools. https://archive.org/download/cd-ep-7-audio/CD_Ep7_Audio.mp3 Episode transcript: class-disrupted-episode-7 Download…

Class Disrupted

1
Beyond ‘College or Bust’: Apprenticeship as a Postsecondary Path to Opportunity

1 year ago

—

Diane and Michael are joined by Ryan Craig, author of Apprentice Nation to discuss the earn-and-learn alternative to the traditional tuition-based higher education pathway. They address the current state of apprenticeship in the US, its role in an increasingly automated world, and how to incentivize the development and use of apprenticeship programs so they can scale access to opportunity. https://archive.org/download/class-disrupted-episode-6-audio/Class%20Disrupted%20Episode%206%20Audio.mp3 Episode transcript: class-disrupted-episode-6-ryan-craig Download…

Class Disrupted

1
2023 in Review: AI, New Assessments, “The American Dream,” and More

2 years ago

—

Diane and Michael look back on the past three episodes of Class Disrupted’s fifth season through the lens of disruption. They discuss the future of AI education tools; consider the opportunities and challenges as the Carnegie Foundation embarks on creating innovative new assessments with ETS; and highlight how Americans’ ideas of a success are changing and what that means for schools. https://archive.org/download/21f-46bf-9-0070-458a-b-465-ed-6975a-408eb/21f46bf9-0070-458a-b465-ed6975a408eb.mp3 Episode transcript: episode-5 Download…

Class Disrupted

1
How America’s Oldest Nonprofit Aims to Drive the Future of Education

2 years ago

—

Timothy Knowles, President of the Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching, joins Diane and Michael to discuss how this historic foundation looks to drive the future of American education. On K–12, they discuss why Carnegie has partnered with ETS and why they are seeking to assess a broader array of skills—not just focus on the standards that are already assessed. They also dive into Carnegie’s push to undo the Carnegie Unit and move toward a competency-based system. Knowles also shares details on the Foundation’s efforts to prioritize social and economic mobility in higher ed by changing how they classify colleges and universities. https://archive.org/download/ep-4_20231209/EP%204.mp3 Episode transcript: class-disrupted-ep.-4-timothy-knowles-assets Download…

Class Disrupted

1
A Student’s View on the Challenges and Possibilities of AI in Education

2 years ago

—

AI expert and Minerva University senior Irhum Shafkat joins Michael and Diane to discuss where AI has been, where it’s going, and the rate at which it’s moving. We also discuss the many forms the technology takes, its implications for humanity, and, of course, its applications in education – as told by a student. https://archive.org/download/d63c4653-fef7-48cf-a49f-d6cd84e31bb6/d63c4653-fef7-48cf-a49f-d6cd84e31bb6.mp3 Episode transcript: class-disrupted-ep.-3 Download…

Class Disrupted

1
Does America have a new definition of success?

2 years ago

—

Todd Rose returns to share compelling findings about what Americans do and don’t want from their schools, institutions and lives. Spoiler alert! They are rejecting fame, fortune and higher ed as markers of success, and instead want community and financial security. Michael and Diane explore what this might mean for schools. https://archive.org/download/62982-audio/62982%20Audio.mp3 Episode transcript: classdisruptedtranscript_toddroseep Download…

Class Disrupted

1
Back in Conversation: New Beginnings on Class Disrupted

2 years ago

—

Back for Season 5, Michael and Diane catch up on their summers and book reading, Diane’s new entrepreneurial venture, PointB, the season ahead—and then offer some hot takes on the reading wars and Lucy Caulkins, four-year college-for-all, and education jargon. https://archive.org/download/62331-future-of-education-class-disrupt-ep-1-v-2/62331_Future%20of%20Education_Class%20Disrupt%20Ep1_V2.mp3 Episode transcript: back-in-conversation Download…

Class Disrupted

1
Season 4, Episode 18: Anxiety, Fear, and the Importance of Listening

2 years ago

—

In their last episode of the season, Diane and Michael delve into the role fear and anxiety may be playing behind the community outbursts that have bedeviled so many school leaders. And they suggest a path forward that doesn’t seek to show why one side is wrong, but instead starts with deep listening and empathy. https://archive.org/download/class-disrupted-s-4-e-18-final/Class%20Disrupted%20S4%20E18%20final.mp3 Episode transcript: class-disrupted-s4-e18 Download…

Class Disrupted

1
Season 4, Episode 17: Learning in Public

2 years ago

—

Michael and Diane grapple with a concept that pushes their understandings of the test-and-learn approach in education innovation and see the beauty of embracing a child-like approach to learning and exploring boundaries to understand where new ideas work—and maybe more importantly, where they break. https://archive.org/download/class-disrupted-s-4-e-17-final/Class%20Disrupted%20S4%20E17%20final.mp3 Episode transcript: class-disrupted-s4-e17-final Download…

Class Disrupted

1
Season 4, Episode 16: Is Legislation the Best Way to Finish the ‘Reading Wars’?

2 years ago

—

Michael and Diane talk about one of the biggest things to come out of the pandemic: the groundswell movement from parents and others to finally teach children how to read in line with the best evidence from the science of reading. And they express misgivings of whether a legislative approach that bans certain teaching approaches will ultimately help each and every student learn—and ponder the downsides of such an approach. https://archive.org/download/class-disrupted-s-4-e-16-final/Class%20Disrupted%20S4%20E16%20final.mp3 Episode transcript: class_disrupted_s4_e16_final Download…

Class Disrupted

1
Season 4, Episode 15: How Hardening Schools Could Harm Students

2 years ago

—

In the aftermath of horrific school shootings across the country, schools have instituted a range of security measures. Diane and Michael argue that these steps likely have a cost in eroding mental health, which may further contribute to violence in schools and society. The point isn’t that schools shouldn’t “harden” per se, but that these steps are design decisions—and that schools must be more intentional about the ones they make, and why. https://archive.org/download/class-disrupted-s-4-e-15-final/Class%20Disrupted%20S4%20E15%20final.mp3 Episode transcript: class-disrupted-s4-e15 Download…

Class Disrupted

1
Season 4, Episode 14: How to Design a College Alternative

2 years ago