The AI Pivot: Seagate’s Workforce Transformation in the Age of AI (an Interview with Patricia Frost and Ruslan Tovbulatov)

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What happens when you stop looking outside for talent and start unlocking the full potential of the people already on your team?

That is exactly what host David Green and his guests explore in this episode of the Digital HR Leaders Podcast.

Joining David are Patricia Frost, Chief People and Places Officer at Seagate Technology, and Ruslan Tovbulatov, Chief Marketing Officer at Gloat, the platform partner behind Seagate’s internal talent marketplace, TalentLink. And together, they share how Seagate reimagined its approach to workforce planning by pausing external hiring and focusing on the talent already in-house.

In this conversation, expect to hear how Seagate:

Shifted from external recruitment to unlocking internal potential

Created transparency and trust to support employee-driven growth

Integrated AI to enhance - not replace - the human workforce

Rebranded their platform to reflect a purpose-led, people-first strategy

Helped employees navigate the emotional side of change and adoption

This episode, sponsored by Gloat, is a practical, inspiring look at how to future-proof your workforce by starting with the people who are already part of it.

Gloat is the world’s first work and workforce operating system for the AI era, helping leading companies like Seagate turn AI potential into real productivity by empowering people to work smarter, faster, and with purpose.

Visit gloat.com to learn more.

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Digital HR Leaders with David Green

The AI Pivot: Seagate’s Workforce Transformation in the Age of AI (an Interview with Patricia Frost and Ruslan Tovbulatov)

Digital HR Leaders with David Green

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published about a year ago

MP3•Episode home

What happens when you stop looking outside for talent and start unlocking the full potential of the people already on your team?

That is exactly what host David Green and his guests explore in this episode of the Digital HR Leaders Podcast.

In this conversation, expect to hear how Seagate:

Shifted from external recruitment to unlocking internal potential

Created transparency and trust to support employee-driven growth

Integrated AI to enhance - not replace - the human workforce

Rebranded their platform to reflect a purpose-led, people-first strategy

Helped employees navigate the emotional side of change and adoption

This episode, sponsored by Gloat, is a practical, inspiring look at how to future-proof your workforce by starting with the people who are already part of it.

Visit gloat.com to learn more.

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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How Arcadis is Building a Skills Powered Organisation (an Interview with Amy Baxendale) 48:46

3 days ago48:46

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If you're looking for honest lessons from the frontline of skills transformation, this episode is for you. Picking up from last week’s strategic deep-dive with Ravin Jesuthasan and Brian Fisher at Mercer, this episode of the Digital HR Leaders podcast takes a practical turn, exploring what it really looks like to bring a skills-powered strategy to life inside a global organisation. Joining host David Green is Amy Baxendale, Global Future of Workforce Director at Arcadis, who has spent the past three years leading a bold transformation to embed skills-based thinking across the company. From reimagining workforce planning to enabling talent mobility and cultural change, Amy shares a rare, unfiltered view into the challenges and breakthroughs that define real progress. What you’ll learn in this episode: What triggered Arcadis' shift to a skills-first model, and how they got started How to navigate early implementation hurdles and complex change dynamics Approaches to gaining executive buy-in and aligning with business strategy Why governance and structure are key to sustainable transformation Ways to track progress - beyond ROI - to include engagement and agility Unexpected lessons and eye-opening moments from the journey What the future holds as skill demands continue to evolve rapidly Whether you’re planning, piloting, or scaling a skills-based approach, this episode is packed with insight, inspiration, and grounded advice from someone who’s done the work. This episode is sponsored by Mercer. To thrive in an AI-augmented world, organisations must rethink how work gets done. Mercer’s Work Design solution uses AI to deconstruct jobs, redeploy tasks, and redesign work for greater agility, productivity, and impact. Unlock your team’s full potential. Learn more at mercer.com/wfdemo Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.…

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The Skills Revolution: Your Playbook for Workforce Agility (an Interview with Ravin Jesuthasan and Brian Fisher) 44:42

10 days ago44:42

44:42

Is your workforce strategy stuck in the past? As AI accelerates and traditional job structures show their age, more companies are asking a fundamental question: Are we organising work the right way? Which is why, in this episode of the Digital HR Leaders podcast, David and his guests explore why skills-based workforce planning has surged to the top of the HR agenda - and what leading companies are doing to turn intent into action. Joining David are Ravin Jesuthasan , Senior Partner and Global Leader for Transformation Services at Mercer, and co-author of The Skills-Powered Organization, and Brian Fisher , Global Solutions Lead for Skills, Jobs and Careers at Mercer, and co-author of Mercer’s Skills Snapshot Survey. What you’ll learn in this episode: Why jobs are no longer the ideal unit for workforce planning, and why skills are taking centre stage How to align mindset, skillset and toolset to drive lasting transformation The role of pilots and internal marketplaces in delivering measurable business impact What AI is changing about the definition, demand and shelf life of skills The three core capabilities every organisation must build to sustain a skills-powered strategy How leading companies are connecting skills to ROI, workforce agility, and employee growth This episode is sponsored by Mercer. To thrive in an AI-augmented world, organisations must rethink how work gets done. Mercer’s Work Design solution uses AI to deconstruct jobs, redeploy tasks, and redesign work for greater agility, productivity, and impact. Unlock your team’s full potential. Learn more at mercer.com/wfdemo Links to resources discussed in the episode: Work Without Jobs The Skills-Powered Organisation The Global Skills Technology and Adoption Survey Report The 2024/2025 Skills Snapshot Survey report Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.…

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Uncertainty as an Opportunity: HR’s Role in Shaping the Future of Work (an Interview with Peter Hinssen) 45:43

17 days ago45:43

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What if the chaos around us isn’t a threat, but your organisation’s greatest advantage? In this thought-provoking episode, futurist and innovation expert Peter Hinssen returns to the Digital HR Leaders podcast to join host David Green in an exploration of why uncertainty is no longer the exception but the new normal, and how HR can lead the way in turning disruption into momentum. Based on insights from his new book The Uncertainty Principle , Peter challenges traditional thinking and shares a bold vision for how organisations - and their people leaders - can thrive in the “never-normal.” What you’ll learn in this episode: Why uncertainty is the new strategic advantage, and how to “weaponise” it The biggest myth HR believes about change, and why it’s holding us back AI’s promise vs. reality and why early adoption often falls short How to unlock HR’s most underutilised asset: unstructured data Real-world phoenixes - organisations rising stronger through disruption The new HR mindset and how it’s redefining talent, leadership, and foresight Link to purchase Peter's book on The Uncertainty Principle This episode is sponsored by Mercer. To thrive in an AI-augmented world, organisations must rethink how work gets done. Mercer’s Work Design solution uses AI to deconstruct jobs, redeploy tasks, and redesign work for greater agility, productivity, and impact. Unlock your team’s full potential. Learn more at mercer.com/wfdemo . Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.…

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How People Analytics is Powering Business Strategy at Mastercard (an Interview with Anshul Sheopuri) 39:15

24 days ago39:15

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What does it take to move people analytics from the margins to the core of business strategy? In this episode of the Digital HR Leaders podcast, host David Green is joined by Anshul Sheopuri, Executive Vice President of People Operations & Insights at Mastercard, to explore how people analytics is transforming from a support function into a business-critical capability. More than three years since his last appearance on the show, Anshul returns with a new role, a broader remit, and fresh insights into what it takes to embed analytics into enterprise-wide decision-making at scale. What you’ll discover in this episode: How the role of the people analytics leader is evolving into a portfolio leadership model The key catalysts behind the shift from traditional HR metrics to integrated, business-first insights How Mastercard is leveraging AI to drive employee success and business transformation A comparative look at building analytics and AI capabilities at IBM vs. Mastercard The importance of governance, ethics, and responsible AI in people analytics Practical steps to scale analytics and embed it into enterprise decision-making The future of people analytics—and what leaders need to prepare for next If you’re looking to understand how people analytics can become a true strategic partner across your organisation, this conversation offers a practical and inspiring roadmap. This episode is sponsored by Mercer. To thrive in an AI-augmented world, organisations must rethink how work gets done. Mercer’s Work Design solution uses AI to deconstruct jobs, redeploy tasks, and redesign work for greater agility, productivity, and impact. Unlock your team’s full potential. Learn more at mercer.com/wfdemo . Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.…

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The AI Pivot: Seagate’s Workforce Transformation in the Age of AI (an Interview with Patricia Frost and Ruslan Tovbulatov) 55:48

4 weeks ago55:48

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What happens when you stop looking outside for talent and start unlocking the full potential of the people already on your team? That is exactly what host David Green and his guests explore in this episode of the Digital HR Leaders Podcast. Joining David are Patricia Frost, Chief People and Places Officer at Seagate Technology, and Ruslan Tovbulatov, Chief Marketing Officer at Gloat, the platform partner behind Seagate’s internal talent marketplace, TalentLink. And together, they share how Seagate reimagined its approach to workforce planning by pausing external hiring and focusing on the talent already in-house. In this conversation, expect to hear how Seagate: Shifted from external recruitment to unlocking internal potential Created transparency and trust to support employee-driven growth Integrated AI to enhance - not replace - the human workforce Rebranded their platform to reflect a purpose-led, people-first strategy Helped employees navigate the emotional side of change and adoption This episode, sponsored by Gloat, is a practical, inspiring look at how to future-proof your workforce by starting with the people who are already part of it. Gloat is the world’s first work and workforce operating system for the AI era, helping leading companies like Seagate turn AI potential into real productivity by empowering people to work smarter, faster, and with purpose. Visit gloat.com to learn more. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.…

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Why HR Must Confront Covering to Build True Inclusion and Psychological Safety (an Interview with Rami Tzafrir) 44:22

5 weeks ago44:22

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Have you ever downplayed a part of who you are just to feel accepted at work? Maybe it was your background, your beliefs, or even just your personality. That quiet act of self-editing - called covering - is more common than many realise, and it comes at a high cost to individuals and organisations alike. In this episode of the Digital HR Leaders podcast, host David Green is joined by Rami Tzafrir, Senior Director of Talent, Organisation and Learning at HiBob, to unpack powerful new research on covering in the workplace. Together, they explore why this behaviour is not just a personal issue but a signal of deeper organisational challenges—and what HR can do about it. Key topics explored in the conversation include: What covering really means, and why so many employees do it Headline findings from HiBob’s global research on identity in the workplace Which groups are most likely to cover, and why How covering impacts performance, engagement, and career progression The link between covering and psychological safety What HR can do to create cultures of transparency and trust The complex role AI may play in either reinforcing or reducing covering This is a conversation that challenges traditional ideas of inclusion and calls for a more human approach to organisational culture. Want to build a culture where people feel free to be themselves? Download HiBob’s new report, “Hidden at work: The human cost of covering in today's workplaces”, at www.hibob.com/covering . Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.…

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From Deployment to Impact: Maximising Business Value with HR Tech (an Interview with Matthew Brown) 54:22

6 weeks ago54:22

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Is your HR tech stack fixing real business problems, or just fuelling the shiny object hype? With new HR technologies arriving faster than ever, many organisations are quick to jump on the next big thing. But in the rush to modernise, are we losing sight of the real business problems we’re meant to be solving? In this episode of the Digital HR Leaders podcast, host David Green is joined by Matthew Brown, Director of Research, HCM at ISG, whose diverse career spans practitioner, former Chief People Officer, and now respected industry analyst. And together they tackle a fundamental question: Are we truly leveraging HR technology to create business value, or are we just keeping up with trends? Tune in and join them as they explore: Why the disconnect between HR and tech adoption persists, and how to bridge it The risks of adopting AI without clear business purpose Why data quality remains an overlooked but critical obstacle What HR tech vendors should be doing to ethically upskill their customers When reimplementation of existing systems may be a smarter choice than replacement How to distinguish genuine tech partners from transactional vendors If you’re questioning whether your HR tech strategy is driving real results or just driving activity, this conversation, sponsored by HiBob, offers timely insight, practical guidance, and fresh perspective from both sides of the industry. HiBob is a fast-growing new leader in the HCM market. In fact, according to HR tech guru Josh Bersin, HiBob is one of the few SaaS companies that have successfully cracked the code on user experience. Josh Bersin says that Bob is not only feature-rich but genuinely enjoyable to use. Read his review of Bob--as an HR tech analyst and user--at www.hibob.com/davidgreen2025 . Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.…

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The CHRO’s Playbook: How to Build an Agile and Data-Driven HR Function (an Interview with Janine Vos) 48:22

7 weeks ago48:22

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What does it really take to build an HR function that’s agile, data-driven, and truly influential at the top table? In this episode of the Digital HR Leaders podcast, host David Green speaks with Janine Vos, Chief Human Resources Officer and Managing Board Member at Rabobank to explore how she has led her team through a significant transformation - shaping an HR function that not only keeps pace with business change, but helps lead it. From embedding agility into the day-to-day to using data as a lever for influence, Janine shares the strategies that have helped her team earn credibility and drive impact. Join them, as they discuss: What being agile actually looks like in practice, and how Rabobank brought it to life How to shift behaviours and mindsets to support new ways of working Why data is only powerful when it’s paired with trust and strong relationships How Janine helps her team move beyond the numbers to tell meaningful stories The value of having people analytics report directly to the CHRO - and what others may be missing What HR leaders need to prioritise today to stay relevant tomorrow Whether you're leading transformation or seeking to add more strategic business value, this episode sponsored by HiBob, offers practical insights and forward-thinking strategies to help you navigate what's next. HiBob is a fast-growing new leader in the HCM market. In fact, according to HR tech guru Josh Bersin, HiBob is one of the few SaaS companies that have successfully cracked the code on user experience. Josh Bersin says that Bob is not only feature-rich but genuinely enjoyable to use. Read his review of Bob--as an HR tech analyst and user--at www.hibob.com/davidgreen2025 . Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.…

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How AI is Reshaping the HR Operating Model (an Interview with Volker Jacobs) 48:09

8 weeks ago48:09

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How is AI redefining the HR operating model we’ve known for decades? With AI redefining how work gets done, the pressure is mounting to move beyond legacy structures and rethink HR from the ground up. The traditional three-pillar model is being pushed to its limits, and a new, work-centric, product-driven approach is emerging. To discuss this in more detail, in this episode of the Digital HR Leaders podcast, host David Green is joined by Volker Jacobs, CEO and Founder of TI People, an organisation at the forefront of helping enterprises transform to innovate people’s work. Drawing from TI People’s latest groundbreaking research, Volker unpacks how AI is reshaping HR roles, structures, and mindsets - and why it's time to move beyond services toward building HR "products" that solve real work problems. Join them, as they uncover: Why the classic three-pillar HR model is under pressure - and what might replace it The three ways AI is transforming HR: efficiency, innovation, and personalisation Which HR roles are being disrupted most, and what that means for team design What a product-oriented approach to HR looks like in practice The mindset and cultural shifts needed to make this transition stick Where HR leaders can start today, without overhauling everything at once Whether you're leading transformation or just beginning to explore what AI means for your HR model, this episode sponsored by HiBob offers practical insights and forward-thinking strategies to help you navigate what's next. Click here to access the full report. HiBob is a fast-growing new leader in the HCM market. In fact, according to HR tech guru Josh Bersin, HiBob is one of the few SaaS companies that have successfully cracked the code on user experience. Josh Bersin says that Bob is not only feature-rich but genuinely enjoyable to use. Read his review of Bob--as an HR tech analyst and user--at www.hibob.com/davidgreen2025 . Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.…

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How HR Can Shape Business Strategy and Prove Its Impact (an Interview with Dave Ulrich) 52:16

9 weeks ago52:16

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Is HR leading the business, or just keeping up with it? As complexity increases and resources tighten, the role of HR is under more pressure than ever. But within this challenge lies a powerful opportunity - for HR to become a driving force in delivering value to all stakeholders: employees, customers and investors. In this episode of the Digital HR Leaders podcast, David Green is joined once again by Dave Ulrich, Co-Founder of The RBL Group and widely recognised as the father of modern HR. Building on the success of his earlier episode with Stacia Garr , Dave returns for a reflective and practical conversation on how HR can step up to shape business strategy and deliver stakeholder value. Join them as they dive deep into: Why the HR role is becoming more complex What stops HR from taking the lead, and how to overcome those barriers What strategic HR looks like when it’s aligned to stakeholder value The outcome-focused metrics that matter most to the business How AI can support - or distract from - HR’s true purpose The critical skills and mindsets HR leaders need for the future Where work and employee experience might be headed next If you're an HR leader looking to have more influence and impact, this episode, sponsored by HiBob, is definitely a conversation you’ll want to revisit and take notes on. HiBob is a fast-growing new leader in the HCM market. In fact, according to HR tech guru Josh Bersin, HiBob is one of the few SaaS companies that have successfully cracked the code on user experience. Josh Bersin says that Bob is not only feature-rich but genuinely enjoyable to use. Read his review of Bob--as an HR tech analyst and user--at www.hibob.com/davidgreen2025 . Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.…

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How People Analytics Empowers the Chief People Officer to Drive Value (an Interview with Dean Carter) 39:28

10 weeks ago39:28

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HR is at a tipping point: lead with data or risk being led by others. As organisations face growing complexity - from AI disruption to shifting stakeholder expectations - the role of HR is changing fast. Today’s Chief People Officers are expected to do more than care for culture - they’re expected to influence strategy, shape business outcomes, and back it all up with data. In this episode of the Digital HR Leaders podcast, host David Green is joined by Dean Carter, former Chief People Officer at Patagonia, Sears, Fossil, and Guild, and now Founder and Chief Experience Officer at Modern Executive Solutions. Dean has spent his career pushing HR beyond tradition, embedding people analytics at the core of strategy and helping organisations hire the next generation of transformative HR leaders. Tune in, as they explore: The story behind Dean’s analytics awakening, and how it reshaped his approach to HR Why so many HR teams get stuck in “dashboard delivery”, and how to move toward insight and impact How renaming his team to “Insights and Outcomes” changed executive expectations The measurable business and human value of Patagonia’s four-day workweek Why HR must reclaim workforce planning, and treat it as a strategic lever, not a finance function Today’s Heads of People Analytics skillsets need to step into CPO roles What separates data-driven HR teams that lead from those that react This episode, sponsored by Worklytics, brings clarity and urgency to a conversation every people leader needs to hear. It is more than a call for better reporting - it’s a roadmap for turning HR into a strategic powerhouse. Worklytics helps leaders understand how work actually happens with data-driven insights into collaboration, productivity and AI adoption. By analysing real work patterns - from meetings to tool usage - they empower teams to work smarter, not harder. And here’s something special: Worklytics is offering Digital HR Leaders listeners a complimentary AI adoption assessment to understand how your teams are really using AI - and where untapped potential lies. But don’t wait - spots are limited. Learn more at worklytics.co/ai Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.…

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How Human Intelligence Can Guide Responsible AI in the Workplace (an Interview with Kevin Heinzelman) 52:37

11 weeks ago52:37

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With AI tools becoming more common across HR and people functions, HR leaders across the globe are asking the same question: how do we use AI without compromising on empathy, ethics, and culture. So, in this special bonus episode of the Digital HR Leaders podcast, host David Green welcomes Kevin Heinzelman, SVP of Product at Workhuman to discuss this very critical topic. David and Kevin share a core belief: that technology should support people, not replace them, and in this conversation, they explore what that means in practice. Tune in as they discuss: Why now is a critical moment for HR to lead with a human-first mindset How HR can retain control and oversight over AI-driven processes The unique value of human intelligence, and how it complements AI How recognition can support skills-based transformation and company culture during times of radical transformation What ethical, responsible AI looks like in day-to-day HR practice How to avoid common pitfalls like bias and data misuse Practical ways to integrate AI without losing sight of culture and care Whether you're early in your AI journey or looking to scale responsibly, this episode, sponsored by Workhuman, offers clear, grounded insight to help HR lead the way - with purpose and with people in mind. Workhuman is on a mission to help organisations build more human-centred workplaces through the power of recognition, connection, and Human Intelligence. By combining AI with the rich data from their #1 rated employee recognition platform, Workhuman delivers the insights HR leaders need to drive engagement, culture, and meaningful change at scale. To learn more, visit Workhuman.com and discover how Human Intelligence can help your organisation lead with purpose. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.…

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How S&P has Embedded Workforce Planning into Business Strategy (an Interview with Alan Susi) 45:14

12 weeks ago45:14

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At Insight222, we’re seeing more and more leading companies approach workforce planning with the same discipline and structure as financial planning - treating it as a core part of how they run the business, not just an HR process. And one company that is doing this exceptionally well is S&P. So, in this episode of the Digital HR Leaders podcast, David Green sits down with Vice-President and Global Head of Organisational Analytics and People Insights at S&P Global, Alan Susi, to explore exactly what it takes to transform workforce planning into a true strategic capability. Join them as they discuss: How S&P Global is embedding workforce planning into core business decision-making Why Finance is such a key partner in making planning successful Balancing short-term execution with long-term workforce health The role of AI and tech in shaping the future of planning What leading companies are doing differently, and what others can learn If you’re looking to make workforce planning a more strategic and impactful part of your organisation, this episode, sponsored by Worklytics, is packed with ideas, lessons, and real-world insights from someone leading the way. Worklytics helps leaders understand how work actually happens with data-driven insights into collaboration, productivity, and AI adoption. By analyzing real work patterns - from meetings to tool usage - they empower teams to work smarter, not harder. And here’s something special: Worklytics is offering Digital HR Leaders listeners a complimentary AI adoption assessment to understand how your teams are really using AI - and where untapped potential lies. But don’t wait - spots are limited. Learn more at worklytics.co/ai Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.…

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The Role of People Analytics in Measuring AI Adoption and Business Impact (an Interview with Erik Schultink) 38:37

13 weeks ago38:37

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Rolling out AI tools is easy. Making them deliver real value for people and performance? That’s the challenge. In this episode of the Digital HR Leaders podcast, host David Green is joined by Erik Schultink, CTO and Co-Founder of Worklytics, to explore how organisations can move beyond the hype and start measuring the real impact of AI in the workplace. Join them as they uncover: Why most companies aren't seeing the tangible value of their AI investment What leading organisations are doing differently to embed AI into the flow of work How people analytics teams can track meaningful signals of successful AI adoption The unintended consequences of AI on workload, productivity, and burnout The role of ONA (Organisational Network Analysis) in improving AI integration Who should own AI adoption Practical steps for HR leaders looking to shape a responsible, people-first AI strategy Whether you're just starting your AI journey or seeking to realign your current approach, this episode, sponsored by Worklytics, delivers critical insights to help you lead with clarity, intention, and impact. Worklytics helps leaders understand how work actually happens with data-driven insights into collaboration, productivity, and AI adoption. By analysing real work patterns - from meetings to tool usage - they empower teams to work smarter, not harder. And here’s something special: Worklytics is offering Digital HR Leaders listeners a complimentary AI adoption assessment to understand how your teams are really using AI - and where untapped potential lies. But don’t wait - spots are limited. Learn more at worklytics.co/ai Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.…

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How People Analytics and Science Powers Amazon’s Global Hiring Engine (an Interview with Ashish Parulekar) 44:51

14 weeks ago44:51