#292 Rory Sutherland - Master Sales & Marketing in 72 Mins

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Asking Rory Sutherland what actually grows a business…

Most founders get this completely backwards.

They obsess over sales tactics…

And completely neglect marketing.

But the truth is:

Sales and marketing aren’t separate.

They’re one system that feeds your entire business.

• Marketing pulls attention.
• Sales converts it.
• Customer experience keeps them.

We break down how overdelivering in your marketing eliminates most sales objections before they even show up.

Because the reality is:

• The best marketing manufactures perceived value BEFORE the sale.
• The best sales process simply monetizes trust already created.
• And the best retention happens because you delivered real value.

You don't need a 47-step sales funnel.

You need world-class positioning, a clear message, and an offer that solves a real problem.

This episode goes deep on how to:

• Create demand BEFORE you ever sell
• Build surface area so luck compounds
• Make your sales process almost automatic
• Retain clients through actual delivery, not promises

This is the game for anyone serious about scaling in 2025.

(0:00) The Psychology of Marketing

(04:18) How to Create Real Value

(09:24) Fame as a Business Lever

(13:40) The Science of Long-Term Marketing

(18:12) Amazon vs Revolut: The Power of Real Customer Service

(23:22) The Ethics of UX: Why Friction Breaks Trust

(27:49) The Power of Transaction Utility

(34:38) How Price Framing Changes Consumer Behavior

(42:44) Should You Offer Guarantees

(46:19) Why Rich People Dress Poorly (And Why It Works)

(50:02) Netflix’s Marketing Breakthrough

(56:00) How to Increase Perceived Value of Products

(58:37) The Role of Marketing in Modern Business

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Chapters

1. Marketing as Treasure Hunting (00:00:00)

2. Value Creation Through Positioning (00:08:37)

3. Fame Brings Unexpected Opportunities (00:15:06)

4. Digital Marketing Attribution Problems (00:29:09)

5. Customer Experience vs Acquisition (00:42:44)

6. Status Signaling and Counter-Signaling (00:55:14)

7. Trust, Guarantees, and Time-to-Value (01:07:08)