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1 Serene Jones on Grace, Grit, and God: How Faith Can Heal a Fractured Democracy 1:04:18
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this episode, host Corey Nathan speaks with Rev. Dr. Serene Jones, President of Union Theological Seminary. As the first woman to lead the historic 180-year-old institution, Dr. Jones brings deep insight to the intersection of theology, justice, and public life. Together, they explore how Christian faith can guide us through trauma, division, and democracy’s challenges, while sharing stories of growing up in faith and creating space for conversations across political and religious divides. What We Discuss: How Serene Jones’ upbringing shaped her theological lens What theology has to do with democracy and justice Why questions are a sign of faith, not doubt The importance of building bridges, even when no one’s building from the other side How seminaries are evolving to meet the needs of a changing world Episode Highlights: [00:03:00] A unique faith upbringing in the Disciples of Christ tradition [00:07:00] Church as a place of learning about democracy, justice, and real life [00:13:00] The message of Micah 4 and how it resonates with global conflict today [00:27:00] The role of theology in shaping public ethics and spiritual resilience [00:39:00] Navigating campus dialogue during protests and unrest [00:44:00] Three calls for progressive communities in red states [00:51:00] Addressing collective and generational trauma through faith [00:53:00] Asking: What would Jesus do—really? Featured Quotes: “Faith that’s not equipped to deal with the big questions of life is not a faith worth its weight.” “If we are not building bridges, there’s no one there to catch people when they fall.” “Theology is not just an abstraction. It’s an action. It’s a way of living in the world.” “The crisis in our nation is a massive spiritual crisis—for all of us.” Resources Mentioned: Union Theological Seminary – utsnyc.edu Call It Grace by Serene Jones – www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/2146640/serene-jones/ 📣 Call to Action: If you found this conversation insightful, please: ✅ Subscribe to Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other on your favorite podcast platform. ✅ Leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen: ratethispodcast.com/goodfaithpolitics ✅ Support the show on Patreon: patreon.com/politicsandreligion ✅ Watch the full conversation and subscribe on YouTube: youtube.com/@politicsandreligion 🔗 Connect on Social Media @coreysnathan: Bluesky LinkedIn Instagram Threads Facebook Substack Our Sponsors: Meza Wealth Management: www.mezawealth.com Prolux Autogroup: www.proluxautogroup.com or www.granadahillsairporttransportation.com Let’s keep talkin' politics and religion—with gentleness and respect. 🎙️💡…
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1 From the Boardroom to Town Hall: Leading with Civility with Mayor Lisa Willey Knierim 1:05:18
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this episode, host Corey Nathan reconnects with Lisa Willey Knierim—Mayor of Cranbury Township, NJ, President of 1880 Hospitality, and high school pal. Lisa shares powerful insights into the realities of small-town governance, the impact of state housing mandates, and the ripple effects of national political discourse. From boardrooms to township meetings, she brings candor, civility, and a healthy dose of humor to the conversation. What We Discuss: How national political polarization affects small-town governments. What the Mount Laurel Doctrine means for affordable housing in NJ. The value of listening and transparency in political leadership. How Six Sigma strategies works in business—and public service. Real-world consequences of recent U.S. tariff policy from a global trade professional. Episode Highlights: [00:03:00] The structure of Cranbury’s local government and Lisa’s role as mayor [00:07:00] Breaking down the affordable housing mandate and land challenges [00:14:00] How partisan behavior has filtered into local meetings [00:24:00] Six Sigma in practice: business problem-solving that works [00:27:00] Why abrupt tariff policy changes hurt American businesses [00:34:00] Lisa’s close election win and continued work with her predecessor [00:45:00] Remembering the best of our communities post-pandemic [00:53:00] Lisa’s campaign to bring back civility in politics Featured Quotes: “At the local level, I wish I didn’t even have to declare my party. It feels absolutely irrelevant.” – Lisa Willey Knierim “You’ve got to create a vanilla ice cream environment—not too spicy. Be compassionate, be practical, be human.” “National-level problems shouldn’t be light-switch decisions.” “It’s not that I can’t solve the problem. But I can listen. That’s halfway there.” Resources Mentioned: Six Sigma Black Belt Certification: asq.org/cert/six-sigma-black-belt Cranbury Township Info: www.cranburytownship.org/ Lisa Willey Knierim Campaign Page: www.facebook.com/LisaKnierimTC22 📣 Call to Action: If you found this conversation insightful, please: ✅ Subscribe to Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other on your favorite podcast platform. ✅ Leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen: ratethispodcast.com/goodfaithpolitics ✅ Support the show on Patreon: patreon.com/politicsandreligion ✅ Watch the full conversation and subscribe on YouTube: youtube.com/@politicsandreligion 🔗 Connect on Social Media @coreysnathan: Bluesky LinkedIn Instagram Threads Facebook Substack Our Sponsors: Meza Wealth Management: www.mezawealth.com Prolux Autogroup: www.proluxautogroup.com or www.granadahillsairporttransportation.com Let’s keep talkin' politics and religion—with gentleness and respect. 🎙️💡…
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this episode, Corey Nathan sits down with Kate Carney, Deputy Director at More in Common. Kate shares her fascinating journey—from working in Congress to boating 6,000 miles around the U.S.—and how those experiences shape her work today. The conversation centers on More in Common’s new report, The Connection Opportunity , and explores how we can foster meaningful relationships across political, racial, religious, and socioeconomic divides. What's Discussed: Why social connection is critical to healthy democracy. Surprising data on Americans’ openness to diverse perspectives. How psychological factors like intergroup anxiety impact connection. Kate’s transformative journey completing the Great American Loop. Real-world solutions for bridging divides in your own community. Episode Highlights: 02:00 – Kate’s 6,000-mile boat journey and what it taught her about America. 10:00 – The Connection Opportunity: How More in Common is reframing social cohesion. 21:00 – Why politics remains the most difficult line of difference to cross. 25:00 – The power of community norms and intergroup anxiety. 32:00 – Revisiting the "Hidden Tribes" report and what’s changed since its release. 41:00 – The seven levers of change for increasing social connection. 48:00 – How cities like Kansas City, Houston and Pittsburgh are fostering community dialogue. 54:00 – Personal agency and why democracy starts with you. Featured Quotes: “We are inherently diverse. To build strong communities, we have to be intentional about connecting across our differences.” — Kate Carney “The more people connect across difference, the more they want to—it’s a cascade.” — Kate Carney “There’s an overwhelming desire to have these conversations. It’s the fortress of assumptions that gets in our way.” — Corey Nathan Resources Mentioned: More in Common: www.moreincommonus.com The Connection Opportunity Report: moreincommonus.com/publication/the-connection-opportunity 📣 Call to Action: If you found this conversation insightful, please: ✅ Subscribe to Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other on your favorite podcast platform. ✅ Leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen: ratethispodcast.com/goodfaithpolitics ✅ Support the show on Patreon: patreon.com/politicsandreligion ✅ Watch the full conversation and subscribe on YouTube: youtube.com/@politicsandreligion 🔗 Connect on Social Media @coreysnathan: Bluesky LinkedIn Instagram Threads Facebook Substack Our Sponsors: Meza Wealth Management: www.mezawealth.com Prolux Autogroup: www.proluxautogroup.com or www.granadahillsairporttransportation.com Let’s keep talkin' politics and religion—with gentleness and respect. 🎙️💡…
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1 Trump's Attack on Decency and Your Constitutional Rights: Why It's NOT Normal 40:54
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this episode, host Corey Nathan reflects on where we stand as a country several months into the current administration. With candor and conviction, Corey explores the themes of democracy, decency, and due process. Drawing from scripture, the Constitution, and commentary by thought leaders like David Brooks and Mike Madrid, this episode delivers a compelling, timely snapshot of America’s civic health—and what’s at stake moving forward. What's Discussed: Why the First, Fifth, and Fourteenth Amendments are more important than ever The consequences of immigration policies that bypass due process How the economy (including tariffs and inflation) is impacting voters What swayed key constituencies in the 2024 election What to watch for heading into 2026 and 2028 Episode Highlights: [00:02:00] Framing the episode: A “temperature check” on America [00:05:00] The First Amendment under threat [00:07:00] Due process and the constitutional rights of all persons [00:14:00] What really moved voters in 2024 (spoiler: price of eggs + immigration) [00:17:00] A powerful quote from David Brooks on civilizational foundations [00:22:00] Legal attacks and a defense of constitutional law [00:29:00] Polling data showing shifts in public opinion [00:34:00] Real-world impact on families, students, and small businesses Featured Quotes: “Nor shall any person be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law.” “Don’t talk to me about Donald Trump being a brilliant businessman—he’s a brilliant thief.” “For me, it’s about democracy and decency. Always has been.” Resources Mentioned: David Brooks: "What’s Happening Is Not Normal" (NYT) – www.nytimes.com/2025/04/17/opinion/trump-harvard-law-firms.html Adam Unikowsky on Substack – adamunikowsky.substack.com/p/the-case-for-suing Mike Madrid's Substack, The Great Transformation – substack.com/@madridmike 📣 Call to Action: If you found this conversation insightful, please: ✅ Subscribe to Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other on your favorite podcast platform. ✅ Leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen: ratethispodcast.com/goodfaithpolitics ✅ Support the show on Patreon: patreon.com/politicsandreligion ✅ Watch the full conversation and subscribe on YouTube: youtube.com/@politicsandreligion 🔗 Connect on Social Media @coreysnathan: Bluesky LinkedIn Instagram Threads Facebook Substack Our Sponsors: Meza Wealth Management: www.mezawealth.com Prolux Autogroup: www.proluxautogroup.com or www.granadahillsairporttransportation.com Let’s keep talkin' politics and religion—with gentleness and respect. 🎙️💡…
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1 E.J. Dionne: "Come, Let Us Reason Together" | Resisting Extremism and the Path to National Healing 1:19:18
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this episode, host Corey Nathan talks with renowned journalist, scholar, and public intellectual E.J. Dionne Jr. E.J. is a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, a syndicated columnist for The Washington Post, a professor at Georgetown University, and a prolific author. Together, they discuss democracy, faith, political polarization, and the enduring need for real argument and hope in public life. What We Discuss: How E.J.’s upbringing shaped his approach to political debate and dialogue. Why engaging seriously with opposing ideas is crucial to democracy. The difference between optimism and hope — and why hope is essential. How faith and civil society contribute to repairing societal divisions. Episode Highlights: [00:03:00] E.J. shares how his father encouraged open political debate. [00:06:00] Reflections on DEI, the “woke” debates, and critiques of excesses. [00:10:00] The Trump administration’s unintended role in uniting pro-democracy groups. [00:15:00] Anger and economic grievances in Fall River, Massachusetts. [00:24:00] Why hope, not just optimism, is vital for public life. [00:36:00] E.J.’s personal faith journey and the importance of humble belief. [00:48:00] Reflections on Pope Francis’ legacy and the Catholic Church. [01:05:00] What worries E.J. about democracy today — and what gives him hope. Featured Quotes: "In real argument, you enter imaginatively into the ideas your opponent holds." — E.J. Dionne "Hope is the virtue on which faith and love depend." — E.J. Dionne "You can really disagree with people you love, and you can love people you disagree with." — E.J. Dionne "We find sanctity even in mundane conversations." — Corey Nathan Resources Mentioned: 📘 Souled Out: Reclaiming Faith and Politics after the Religious Right - Princeton University Press 📰 E.J. Dionne's column at The Washington Post – www.washingtonpost.com/people/ej-dionne-jr 📣 Call to Action: If you found this conversation insightful, please: ✅ Subscribe to Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other on your favorite podcast platform. ✅ Leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen: ratethispodcast.com/goodfaithpolitics ✅ Support the show on Patreon: patreon.com/politicsandreligion ✅ Watch the full conversation and subscribe on YouTube: youtube.com/@politicsandreligion 🔗 Connect With Us on Social Media @coreysnathan: Bluesky LinkedIn Instagram Threads Facebook Substack Our Sponsors: Meza Wealth Management: www.mezawealth.com Prolux Autogroup: www.proluxautogroup.com or www.granadahillsairporttransportation.com Let’s keep talkin' politics and religion—with gentleness and respect. 🎙️💡…
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1 The Unflinching Eye: McKay Coppins on Journalism, the Threats to Our Freedoms and the Power of Inquiry 1:12:18
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like Liked🎙️Award-winning journalist and Atlantic staff writer McKay Coppins joins us to explore the delicate intersections of politics, faith, and journalism. From shadowing Donald Trump to chronicling the political journey of Mitt Romney, McKay shares what it takes to pursue truth in turbulent times. What We Discuss: What it’s like getting rare access to Trump, Romney, and the Murdochs How to navigate political rationalizations without losing your soul McKay’s writing rituals and creative process The powerful role of curiosity in building bridges across divides Why faith and civic life matter more than ever Episode Highlights: 00:02:00 – McKay’s infamous 2014 Trump profile and its surprising legacy 00:10:00 – How luck and sincere curiosity lead to exclusive access 00:16:00 – Late nights, caps lock, and McKay’s writing habits 00:29:00 – The chilling effect of political intimidation on journalism 00:41:00 – Why many GOP leaders stay silent—and what Romney heard behind the scenes 00:50:00 – Do you lose your soul in politics? A deep dive 00:57:00 – The spiritual vacuum in modern America and how faith might fill it 01:02:00 – Why curiosity is the cure for today’s civic divide Featured Quotes: "He seemed like he desperately wanted affirmation all the time... and it was like empty calories." "To be somebody who has faith is to constantly have it tested and to have it evolve." "We need leaders thinking more about their obituaries than the next news cycle." "Curiosity is an underrated virtue in politics." Resources Mentioned: 📘 Romney: A Reckoning – Simon and Schuster 📘 The Wilderness – Hachette Book Group 📰 McKay’s articles at The Atlantic – Visit 📣 Call to Action: If you found this conversation insightful, please: ✅ Subscribe to Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other on your favorite podcast platform. ✅ Leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen: ratethispodcast.com/goodfaithpolitics ✅ Support the show on Patreon: patreon.com/politicsandreligion ✅ Watch the full conversation and subscribe on YouTube: youtube.com/@politicsandreligion 🔗 Connect With Us on Social Media @coreysnathan: Bluesky LinkedIn Instagram Threads Facebook Substack Our Sponsors: Meza Wealth Management: www.mezawealth.com Prolux Autogroup: www.proluxautogroup.com or www.granadahillsairporttransportation.com Let’s keep talking politics and religion—with gentleness and respect. 🎙️💡…
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1 I Was Right About the Law, But My Delivery Was WRONG: How to Discuss Threats to Our Rights Without Being a Jerk 26:18
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this episode, host Corey Nathan shares a candid reflection about a recent encounter where he was right on the facts and the law—but completely wrong in how he presented them. Yet if we're honest with ourselves about when we make mistakes, it's a good opportunity to learn, reminding us that how we communicate is just as important as what we communicate. What You’ll Learn: Why being right on the law isn’t enough in a conversation How righteous anger can derail productive dialogue Why due process matters for everyone—especially those who aren't guilty of crimes Tools for engaging in hard conversations with empathy and curiosity How the Constitution and Judeo-Christian values intersect in public discourse Episode Highlights: [00:02:00] Corey introduces the story and the key lesson he learned [00:05:00] Breakdown of the Alien Enemies Act and a real legal case [00:06:45] A stranger challenges Corey at a restaurant [00:07:30] Corey "goes Jersey" and loses his cool [00:13:00] What due process really protects and why it matters [00:16:00] How Isaac Saul, David Brooks, and Mónica Guzmán inspired a better way to respond [00:18:00] Reading the First and Fifth Amendments to ground the conversation Featured Quotes: "I was completely right on the facts, but I was completely wrong on the delivery." — Corey Nathan "Due process is there for the innocent just as much as the guilty—even more so for the innocent." — Corey Nathan "Ask at least three questions before making your point." — inspired by Isaac Saul 📣 Call to Action: If you found this conversation insightful, please: ✅ Subscribe to Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other on your favorite podcast platform. ✅ Leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen: ratethispodcast.com/goodfaithpolitics ✅ Support the show on Patreon: patreon.com/politicsandreligion ✅ Watch the full conversation and subscribe on YouTube: youtube.com/@politicsandreligion 🔗 Connect With Us on Social Media @coreysnathan: Bluesky LinkedIn Instagram Threads Facebook Substack Our Sponsors: Meza Wealth Management: www.mezawealth.com Prolux Autogroup: www.proluxautogroup.com or www.granadahillsairporttransportation.com Let’s keep talking politics and religion—with gentleness and respect. 🎙️💡…
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1 Untangling the Partisan Knot: A Balanced Look at Political News with Isaac Saul of Tangle 1:13:36
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this episode, we sit down with Isaac Saul, founder of Tangle, a widely respected, nonpartisan political newsletter. Isaac and his team bring a fresh approach to political journalism by curating multiple perspectives—right, left, and independent—on major stories of the day. Corey, a fan and avid reader of Tangle, dives deep into Isaac’s upbringing in Bucks County, PA, how that shaped his civic “multilingualism,” and the genesis of Tangle during a particularly difficult phase of his career. Together, they explore the challenges of journalistic ethics, political polarization, media bias, and the future of trustworthy news. What We Discuss: Why Bucks County, PA, is so friggin' awesome! And why it plays a crucial role in shaping moderate political thinkers. How Isaac Saul built Tangle from the ground up as a response to media frustration. The journalistic principles and ethical guardrails that guide Isaac’s work. How to discern quality journalism in an era dominated by clickbait and misinformation. The dangers of polarization and what gives Isaac hope about our democratic future. Episode Highlights: [00:01:00] Isaac Saul shares the mission behind Tangle and what inspired him to create it. [00:05:00] Corey and Isaac explore how growing up in politically diverse Bucks County cultivated empathy and civic fluency. [00:10:00] Isaac discusses his unique way of reaching conspiracy-minded friends—by “using their language” and exposing financial incentives in media. [00:15:00] Isaac describes his journalistic background and the importance of reporting with integrity and skepticism. [00:24:00] Isaac recounts his “f*** this” moment that led to launching Tangle after being rejected from multiple major outlets. [00:34:00] Corey explains his methodical approach to reading Tangle and how it helps refine his own viewpoints. [00:40:00] Behind the scenes: How Isaac and his team choose stories and fairly represent both sides of complex political issues. [00:54:00] Isaac shares his hopes and fears about political division, executive overreach, and the role of media in democracy. Featured Quotes: "The people who are really politically engaged on the right and the left right now are living in just different realities." – Isaac Saul "I know what I think. It’s the least interesting thing on the planet. I live with this brain all day. I want to hear what others think." – Isaac Saul "You should treat every click like you're handing a news outlet a dollar." – Isaac Saul "Centrism is an ideology in and of itself. I’m not trying to land in the middle—I’m just being honest about my real reactions." – Isaac Saul Resources Mentioned: Tangle Newsletter – www.readtangle.com Isaac Saul’s TED Talk: “What Media Doesn’t Tell You” – youtu.be/543mYKKh1EE?si=CjdQv94HzT04vknh How Media Bias Works (Tangle article) – www.readtangle.com/why-the-media-is-broken/ Isaac on Twitter: x.com/Ike_Saul 📣 Call to Action: If you found this conversation insightful, please: ✅ Subscribe to Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other on your favorite podcast platform. ✅ Leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen: ratethispodcast.com/goodfaithpolitics ✅ Support the show on Patreon: patreon.com/politicsandreligion ✅ Watch the full conversation and subscribe on YouTube: youtube.com/@politicsandreligion 🔗 Connect With Us on Social Media @coreysnathan: Bluesky LinkedIn Instagram Threads Facebook Substack Our Sponsors: Meza Wealth Management: www.mezawealth.com Prolux Autogroup: www.proluxautogroup.com or www.granadahillsairporttransportation.com Let’s keep talking politics and religion—with gentleness and respect. 🎙️💡…
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1 (ICYMI) Beyond Right and Left: Rabbi Sharon Brous and the Courage to Ask 'What Do You See?' After October 7th 1:08:54
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this deeply moving episode, Corey Nathan welcomes Rabbi Sharon Brous, the senior and founding rabbi of IKAR, a groundbreaking Jewish community based in Los Angeles. Rabbi Brous is also the author of The Amen Effect: Ancient Wisdom to Heal Our Hearts and Mend Our Broken World . Together, they explore ancient traditions, mental health, spiritual leadership, and how to foster deeper, more compassionate human connections even across profound divides. What We Discuss: The ancient ritual of turning toward the brokenhearted and its modern relevance. The profound impact of being seen and embraced in moments of vulnerability. How leaders carry and process communal pain—and why that matters. Practical wisdom on staying curious and compassionate across ideological divides. The role of community design in spiritual experiences. Episode Highlights: [00:01:00] Rabbi Brous explains the Mishnah Middot and the ritual of turning toward the brokenhearted. [00:08:00] Corey and Rabbi Brous discuss the concept of sin as a burden like mental illness. [00:15:00] The transformative power of being truly seen and how crying makes space for new realities. [00:20:00] Rabbi Brous reflects on the toll leadership can take and how caregivers must process pain. [00:24:00] The design of IKAR’s prayer space and how it fosters visibility and community. [00:34:00] Navigating discomfort with changes in religious leadership and traditions. [00:42:00] How to stay at the table with those who hurt or anger us—and why it’s critical. [00:53:00] A powerful story about transformation through simple presence and blessing. Featured Quotes: "Sometimes you don’t even want to get out of bed. Yet, sacred tradition compels us to show our brokenness—and trust that we will be held with love." — Rabbi Sharon Brous "If you don’t metabolize pain, it will metastasize inside of you." — Rabbi Sharon Brous "We can create new neural and spiritual pathways—by allowing ourselves to be seen and to receive love." — Rabbi Sharon Brous "It takes courage to be curious about someone who hurt you, but that’s the only way to heal." — Rabbi Sharon Brous Resources Mentioned: The Amen Effect by Rabbi Sharon Brous: https://ikar.org/the-amen-effect/the-big-idea/ IKAR Jewish Community: https://www.ikar.org/ How to Know a Person by David Brooks: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/652822/how-to-know-a-person-by-david-brooks/ Fierce Love by Rev. Dr. Jacqui Lewis: https://jacquijlewis.com/fierce-love/ I Never Thought of It That Way by Mónica Guzmán: https://www.moniguzman.com/book 📣 Call to Action: If you found this conversation insightful, please: ✅ Subscribe to Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other on your favorite podcast platform. ✅ Leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen: ratethispodcast.com/goodfaithpolitics ✅ Support the show on Patreon: patreon.com/politicsandreligion ✅ Watch the full conversation and subscribe on YouTube: youtube.com/@politicsandreligion 🔗 Connect With Us on Social Media @coreysnathan: Bluesky LinkedIn Instagram Threads Facebook Substack Our Sponsors: Meza Wealth Management: www.mezawealth.com Prolux Autogroup: www.proluxautogroup.com or www.granadahillsairporttransportation.com Let’s keep talking politics and religion—with gentleness and respect. 🎙️💡…
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1 From Bible School to 'Trump Grumpies': Gen Z Asks, What Would Jesus Really Do? with Emerson Riley Nathan 1:19:36
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this heartfelt and wide-ranging episode, host Corey Nathan sits down with a very special guest — his own son, Emerson Riley Nathan. Together, they dive into Gen Z’s unique perspective on faith, politics, and culture. As a young adult navigating the complexities of belief, identity, and creativity, Emerson offers refreshing candor about his spiritual journey, social views, and passion for music. This conversation is an inspiring look at how different generations can engage in meaningful, respectful dialogue. What You Will Learn: Insights into Gen Z's evolving relationship with faith and spirituality How Emerson balances skepticism and open-mindedness about religion The impact of politics and social media on young people's worldview How music and community-building are vital for mental health and connection The dynamic of a father and son having open, vulnerable discussions about big life questions Episode Highlights: [00:01:00] – Emerson's "graveyard shift" lifestyle and its impact on his creativity [00:03:00] – Emerson shares his journey growing up between Christianity and Judaism [00:07:00] – How the 2012 election and political polarization shaped Emerson’s views [00:11:00] – Moving away from organized religion and questioning traditional beliefs [00:20:00] – Emerson's current agnostic beliefs and embracing uncertainty about the afterlife [00:27:00] – The healing power of kindness and defining what it means to be good [00:32:00] – Emerson’s passion for dubstep, rave culture, and community through music [00:45:00] – Corey and Emerson discuss responsible adulthood, fatherhood, and finding purpose [00:59:00] – How politics today have created both division and a sense of helplessness Resources Mentioned: Sugar Magnacious on Instagram Debased Sound on Instagram 📣 Call to Action: If you found this conversation insightful, please: ✅ Subscribe to Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other on your favorite podcast platform. ✅ Leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen: ratethispodcast.com/goodfaithpolitics ✅ Support the show on Patreon: patreon.com/politicsandreligion ✅ Watch the full conversation and subscribe on YouTube: youtube.com/@politicsandreligion 🔗 Connect With Us on Social Media @coreysnathan: Bluesky LinkedIn Instagram Threads Facebook Substack Our Sponsors: Meza Wealth Management: www.mezawealth.com Prolux Autogroup: www.proluxautogroup.com or www.granadahillsairporttransportation.com Let’s keep talking politics and religion—with gentleness and respect. 🎙️💡…
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1 Will Saletan: Navigating Toxic Partisanship and Challenging Extremist Absurdity 1:28:38
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this episode, we welcome back political journalist and author Will Saletan. Will, formerly of Slate and now a writer for The Bulwark , is known for his sharp insights on American democracy, political corruption, and authoritarianism. Will reflects on the pivotal events leading up to and following the 2024 election, including Joe Biden’s withdrawal, Kamala Harris’s campaign, and Donald Trump's return to power. This thought-provoking conversation dives into the state of democracy, the rise of authoritarianism, and how ordinary Americans are responding. What You Will Learn How Will Saletan processed the chaotic political landscape leading up to the 2024 election. Why many Americans seem indifferent to threats against constitutional rights. Will’s analysis of Trump’s authoritarian tendencies and the implications for democracy. The emerging role of European allies as America’s commitment to NATO and democracy weakens. Practical strategies for handling misinformation and toxic discourse on social media. Episode Highlights [00:01:00] Introduction to Will Saletan and a reflection on major events since their last conversation. [00:03:00] Will discusses his surprise at Biden’s physical and verbal deterioration during the 2024 campaign. [00:07:00] The challenges Kamala Harris faced stepping into the race and why the "change election" dynamic mattered. [00:11:00] Corey and Will examine why many Americans rationalized or minimized January 6th. [00:23:00] Will explains how fear and profit motive lead companies and law firms to capitulate to authoritarian pressures. [00:29:00] How self-censorship and fear of government retribution are stifling free speech. [00:54:00] Will shares the "general idea" he’s concluded about the Trump administration: incompetence and stupidity at historic levels. [01:03:00] Hope on the horizon: how European nations are stepping up to defend democratic values. [01:06:00] Final reflections on the resilience of democracy beyond America’s current political struggles. Featured Quotes Will Saletan: "What clicks for me is very simple: they’re idiots. They're really stupid, and they think they're smart." Will Saletan: "The danger isn’t just the lies themselves—it's the machinery of intimidation that stops people from even trying to tell the truth." Corey Nathan: "It's encouraging when you realize people are so much more than the hat they might wear." Will Saletan: "Even though America has faltered, there’s still goodness in the world—and it’s stepping up." Resources Mentioned Will Saletan at The Bulwark Will's book: The Corruption of Lindsey Graham: A Case Study in The Rise of Authoritarianism Will on Bluesky - @saletan.bsky.social ( Note: If Will referenced any other external resources or books you want linked specifically, just let me know! ) 📣 Call to Action: If you found this conversation insightful, please: ✅ Subscribe to Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other on your favorite podcast platform. ✅ Leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen: ratethispodcast.com/goodfaithpolitics ✅ Support the show on Patreon: patreon.com/politicsandreligion ✅ Watch the full conversation and subscribe on YouTube: youtube.com/@politicsandreligion 🔗 Connect With Us on Social Media @coreysnathan: Bluesky LinkedIn Instagram Threads Facebook Substack Our Sponsors: Meza Wealth Management: www.mezawealth.com Prolux Autogroup: www.proluxautogroup.com or www.granadahillsairporttransportation.com Let’s keep talking politics and religion—with gentleness and respect. 🎙️💡…
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1 Dumb Ideas Welcome? Navigating Free Speech and Falsehoods in a Divided Democracy 57:18
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this solo episode, host Corey Nathan takes a deep dive into one of the foundational guidelines we've used in curating conversations both in person and online: handling misinformation. Corey reflects on his experiences moderating political and religious discussions, the evolution of social media moderation, and the fine balance between protecting free speech and maintaining civil discourse. We invite listeners into an honest exploration of free expression, civic engagement, and fostering better conversations, even with those we deeply disagree with. What We Discuss: Why it could be worth rethinking the rule to report and remove proven falsehoods from these forums. The importance of understanding the First Amendment and time, place, and manner restrictions on free speech. How maintaining civil discourse matters more than ever, even with the spread of misinformation. Reflections on the lessons learned from controversial public conversations, like Gavin Newsom’s podcast guests and protests on college campuses. How personal experiences during the pandemic and political unrest shaped Corey's approach to moderating tough conversations. Episode Highlights: [00:03:00] Corey’s initial set of rules for moderating conversations on social media. [00:08:00] Why platforms like Meta and Twitter are no longer actively flagging misinformation. [00:10:00] Revisiting the meaning of the First Amendment and its application to private forums. [00:18:00] Discussing time, place, and manner restrictions in the context of campus protests and public demonstrations. [00:23:00] Reflecting on the events of January 6th and the perpetuation of election fraud narratives. [00:36:00] Learning from Gavin Newsom’s engagement with controversial figures like Steve Bannon and Charlie Kirk. [00:43:00] Why civil engagement—even with those we strongly disagree with—might be more powerful than silencing falsehoods. [00:52:00] Corey’s updated stance: allowing proven falsehoods to remain visible for educational and relational purposes. Featured Quotes: "Congress shall make no law... but that doesn’t mean I, a private individual, can’t curate conversations in my own forums." "When we disagree is when it’s most important to protect free speech." "Sunlight is the best disinfectant. Let the worst ideas stand up to scrutiny." "Staying in relationship with those we disagree with gives us a better chance to understand and grow." Resources Mentioned: The Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression (FIRE) Gavin Newsom’s Podcast 📣 Call to Action: If you found this conversation insightful, please: ✅ Subscribe to Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other on your favorite podcast platform. ✅ Leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen: ratethispodcast.com/goodfaithpolitics ✅ Support the show on Patreon: patreon.com/politicsandreligion ✅ Watch the full conversation and subscribe on YouTube: youtube.com/@politicsandreligion 🔗 Connect With Us on Social Media @coreysnathan: Bluesky LinkedIn Instagram Threads Facebook Substack Our Sponsors: Meza Wealth Management: www.mezawealth.com Prolux Autogroup: www.proluxautogroup.com or www.granadahillsairporttransportation.com Let’s keep talking politics and religion—with gentleness and respect. 🎙️💡…
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1 (Best of) David Brooks, HOW TO KNOW A PERSON: The Art of Seeing Others Deeply and Being Deeply Seen 1:06:48
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedThis conversation with David Brooks was a real highlight. We originally recorded our talk just after his most recent book HOW TO KNOW A PERSON was released. Enjoy. You might recognize David Brooks from his columns in The New York Times or his essays in The Atlantic. Perhaps you’ve seen him on PBS NewsHour or Meet the Press. He’s also a prolific author. In fact, his 2019 book The Second Mountain was a major inspiration for this program. We discuss that as well as David’s new book, How to Know a Person: The Art of Seeing Others Deeply and Being Deeply Seen (Penguin Random House). Our conversation with "Brooksie" went in a number of surprising directions: Sociological observations (and confessions) of New York Mets fans; The way lifelong friends enrich our lives; Depression - fair warning that this section gets pretty gritty and candid; How, as observant Jews, we both discovered Christianity later in life; As Jews who are Christian, whether we have any ambivalence; American Evangelicalism - talk about ambivalence! David's writing process and the motivation of deadlines; and much, much more! Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what’s broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it. Please support our wonderful sponsor Meza Wealth Management: www.mezawealth.com And you can find Corey on all the socials @coreysnathan such as www.threads.net/@coreysnathan . David's new book HOW TO KNOW A PERSON : www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/652822/how-to-know-a-person-by-david-brooks…
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1 Mónica Guzmán: Breaking the Cycle of Outrage Through Fearlessly Curious Conversations 1:03:18
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this episode, host Corey Nathan welcomes back Monica Guzmán, Senior Fellow for Public Practice at Braver Angels, host of A Braver Way podcast, CEO of Reclaim Curiosity, and author of I Never Thought of It That Way: How to Have Fearlessly Curious Conversations in Dangerously Divided Times . Monica’s mission is to help bridge America’s political divides through fearless curiosity. With deep reflections on the 2024 election, evolving friendships across ideological lines, and her renewed commitment to bridge building, Monica shares how we can stay grounded and connected—especially when it feels impossible. What We Discuss: How Moni processes political polarization and stays grounded—even when the world feels divided Practical strategies for engaging with people across ideological lines without compromising your values Why shared outrage across political lines can be a gateway to unity The role of empathy, humility, and curiosity in depolarizing conversations How journalists and moderators can better navigate falsehoods without censoring legitimate concerns Episode Highlights: [00:03:00] – Mónica explains how her emotional radar helps her know when to seek out conversations with people who see politics differently. [00:08:00] – Unexpected agreement: conservatives and liberals are both frustrated with Congressional dysfunction and executive overreach. [00:14:00] – Moni shares how talking with people who had different experiences during COVID reshaped her understanding and empathy. [00:21:00] – Corey and Mónica discuss boundaries in bridge building—when is it time to walk away from a relationship? [00:29:00] – Moderating contentious conversations: “police the structure, not the content.” [00:36:00] – The relationship between activism and dialogue—and why one without the other can be reckless or ineffective. [00:46:00] – Tips for recognizing quality journalism and avoiding emotionally manipulative content. [00:56:00] – Mónica’s closing advice: engagement is not endorsement. Curiosity and conversation don’t mean you’re compromising your values. Featured Quotes: “I’ve been persuaded over and over again that positions against mine are not ludicrous.” – Mónica Guzmán “Engagement is not endorsement. Having a conversation doesn’t mean you’re capitulating.” – Mónica Guzmán “Find your edge—and push it. That’s all you need to do to build a bridge.” – Mónica Guzmán “I don't want a decision or a position to get in the way of our relationship. I want to understand it better.” – Corey Nathan Resources Mentioned: I Never Thought of It That Way by Monica Guzmán - moniguzman.com/book Braver Angels - braverangels.org 📣 Call to Action: If you found this conversation insightful, please: ✅ Subscribe to Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other on your favorite podcast platform. ✅ Leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen: ratethispodcast.com/goodfaithpolitics ✅ Support the show on Patreon: patreon.com/politicsandreligion ✅ Watch the full conversation and subscribe on YouTube: youtube.com/@politicsandreligion 🔗 Connect With Us on Social Media @coreysnathan: Bluesky LinkedIn Instagram Threads Facebook Substack Our Sponsors: Meza Wealth Management: www.mezawealth.com Prolux Autogroup: www.proluxautogroup.com or www.granadahillsairporttransportation.com Let’s keep talking politics and religion—with gentleness and respect. 🎙️💡…
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Can we bridge the partisan divide and have constructive dialogue about politics and religion with "them" - people who have different beliefs about democracy, politics and religion? Are we able to simply have civil, civic conversations? (We're grateful to have a number of new listeners. So we thought it'd be good to revisit this episode that was first aired just after the inauguration.) In this edition, host Corey Nathan explores how we can have meaningful, respectful, and productive conversations with those who think differently from us—politically, religiously, and ideologically. After four years of hosting the show and speaking with a wide array of guests, Corey shares his own insights, offering seven practical tools (plus a bonus tip) for engaging with “one of them” in a way that fosters connection rather than division. What Is Discussed How to give yourself and others grace in difficult conversations The importance of setting proper expectations when discussing sensitive topics Why asking the right questions is more powerful than having the perfect comeback How storytelling can humanize those with whom we disagree The value of being open to the phrase "I never thought of it that way" How to recognize when it’s time to step away from a conversation or to love someone "from a safe distance" Resources and organizations that can help you navigate difficult discussions Episode Highlights ⏳ [00:02:00] – Reviews from listeners: the good, the bad, and the constructive ⏳ [00:05:00] – The purpose of this episode: sharing tools for engaging with "one of them" ⏳ [00:06:00] – Tool #1: Grace – Accepting that we will all make mistakes in these conversations ⏳ [00:09:00] – Tool #2: Proper Expectations – Why we shouldn't expect to change someone's mind 180 degrees ⏳ [00:12:00] – Tool #3: Asking Questions – Learning from Jesus' approach of responding with questions ⏳ [00:20:00] – Tool #4: Storytelling – The power of narrative in understanding each other as human beings ⏳ [00:25:00] – Tool #5: Being Open to "I Never Thought of It That Way" Moments ⏳ [00:32:00] – Tool #6: Recognizing Your Line – Knowing when to step away from an unhealthy dynamic ⏳ [00:35:00] – Tool #7: Equipping Yourself – Books, organizations, and resources for learning how to engage better ⏳ [00:38:00] – Bonus Tip: Taking Care of Yourself – Mental, emotional, and physical well-being in this work Featured Quotes 📢 “Give yourself grace. You’re not going to get it right every time.” 📢 “If we ask the right question, it allows that person, instead of being in a posture of combat, to tell their story.” 📢 “Trying to inform, like trying to win, can get in the way of trying to listen.” – Monica Guzmán (as quoted in the episode) 📢 “People are mysteries, not puzzles.” – Monica Guzmán Resources Mentioned 📖 Books: I Never Thought of It That Way – by Mónica Guzmán How to Know a Person – by David Brooks 🌍 Organizations: The Village Square – Encouraging healthy civic discourse Braver Angels – Bridging political divides through dialogue 🎥 Watch & Support the Podcast: YouTube Channel – Subscribe for video content Patreon – Support the show 📣 Call to Action If you found this conversation insightful, please: ✅ Subscribe to Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other on your favorite podcast platform. ✅ Leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen: ratethispodcast.com/goodfaithpolitics ✅ Support the show on Patreon: patreon.com/politicsandreligion ✅ Watch the full conversation on YouTube: youtube.com/@politicsandreligion 🔗 Connect With Us on Social Media @coreysnathan: Bluesky LinkedIn Instagram Threads Facebook Substack Our Sponsors Meza Wealth Management: www.mezawealth.com Prolux Autogroup: www.proluxautogroup.com or www.granadahillsairporttransportation.com 🔹 Now go talk some politics and religion—but with gentleness and respect. 💡 #Politics #Religion #NeverTrump #Democracy #Faith #Justice #Civility #Polarization…
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