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1 Patterns in Documentation - Conversation with Daniel Beck 51:49
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn our conversation with Daniel Beck, we discuss creating documentation project archetypes to aid open source and enterprise projects in structuring their documentation efforts. The episode also delves into the evolving role of technical writers in the age of AI and the increasing importance of documentation for API usability. Further resources:Pattern languages and semantic caching - Discussion with Jeff Eaton (Part 1)https://pronovix.com/podcasts/pattern-languages-and-semantic-caching-discussion-jeff-eaton-part-1Daniel's websitehttps://ddbeck.com/…
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1 The Future of Content Management - Discussion with Jeff Eaton (Part 2) 57:57
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn the second part of this thought-provoking exploration, the discussion turns towards dissecting the capabilities and limitations of AI, particularly Large Language Models. The episode highlights comparisons between human and artificial intelligence, as well as LLMs functioning as sophisticated indexing or caching mechanisms for information.…
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1 Pattern languages and semantic caching - Discussion with Jeff Eaton (Part 1) 1:40:40
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedHow do constraints increase opportunities by introducing boundaries? What challenges do Content Management Systems face in the age of AI? In this episode, Jeff Eaton (Partner at Autogram) discusses the complexities of building and managing digital systems, drawing on a wide range of theoretical frameworks to understand underlying patterns. The episode highlights the continuous evolution of technology and the ongoing need for structured approaches, even in the face of advancements like AI.…
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1 From Documentation to Interaction: Building a More Resilient Web - Discussion with Jeff Eaton 1:43:03
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedHow has the concept of structured content evolved, and how does it relate to APIs? How is the internet shifting from a focus on publishing content to enabling interactions? In this special episode, Kristof Van Tomme (Co-founder and CEO of Pronovix) and Christoph Weber (Solutions Architect at Pronovix) invited Jeff Eaton (Partner at Autogram) to discuss the implications of increasing complexity, as well as the capabilities and limitations of LLMs in the context of APIs.…
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1 Developer productivity and emerging personas - Discussion with Praneet Singh 56:28
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIf information is scattered across all the different sections of a developer portal, how can you make it easy for developers to find exactly what they are looking for? Is AI really the answer to challenges in data exploration? In this episode, Praneet Singh (Product Manager at Intuit) shares valuable insights about improving findability, as well as the emerging personas on developer portals and how repeating data patterns can be the key to serving them.…
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1 What are your business incentives? Shifts and Effects in the API world - Discussion with Zdenek Nemec 1:14:23
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedAre there negative values when opening up API programs? Can an AI agent be more than a virtual co-worker that works under supervision? In this episode, Zdenek Nemec (Founder and CTO at Superface) and Kristof Van Tomme explore the attention economy and the effects of shutting down successful social networks for profit. They also delve into the role of AI and how AI agents can change the way we use APIs and the web. Zdenek’s availabilities: Superface Zdenek's LinkedIn profile Further resources: AI is about to completely change how you use computers From Interface Folklore To Machine Mediated Interactions DevPortal Awards…
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1 Monetization and global markets - Discussion with David O’Neill 1:13:43
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this episode, David O’Neill (APIContext) reflects on the current API landscape through the lens of global market trends and recurring cycles in the tech space. Commenting on the current AI boom, David shares some cautionary advice about AI hallucinations and the importance of an internal source of truth.…
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1 The role of documentation in a niche field - Conversation with Daria Lutchenko 1:12:13
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedA research-heavy field can be difficult to navigate for the layperson. In this case, documentation is an invaluable bridge connecting services and customers. In this episode, Daria Lutchenko (UP42) explains the value of concise and coherent documentation that allows providers to keep up their end of the “social contract”.…
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1 ‘A system is more than a sum of its parts’ - discussion with Stefan Verstraeten 58:04
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedHow can one ensure that their business remains sustainable? What are the key principles of value-based selling? Is it possible to create a fair distribution of value? In this episode, Stefan Verstraeten (Head of Value at TomTom) discusses these questions, and explains how complexity science as a mental model can help to better understand the way things work. He also narrates his journey to superforecasting (notion of making a prediction), which is a unique initiative. Resources: https://pronovix.com/articles/apis-are-interface-utilities https://www.amazon.com/Never-Split-Difference-Negotiating-Depended/dp/0062407805 https://apithedocs.org/ai-2024…
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedAPIs are undergoing a transformative shift, and the mindset surrounding APIs is also evolving. In this episode, Kristof Van Tomme is joined by Alicia Miller and Joshua Markham (Verizon), and they explore the concept of APIs as utilities, what it means to approach APIs with a utility mindset, as well as the future of applications in the age of LLMs.…
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1 Constructive criticality: the intersection of residuality theory and business strategy - Discussion with Barry O’Reilly 1:11:04
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedThe key to successful architecture isn’t the beautiful design with the perfect abstractions; it is more about knowing what can go wrong and where the fragile areas are. In this episode, Barry O’Reilly (Founder at Black Tulip Technology) shares his experience as an architect with Kristof Van Tomme and points out how residuality theory can help us better understand our industry. They discuss topics like the three problems with software architecture, how residuality theory deals with these struggles, and how business strategy is a similar area. In their discussion, they also touch upon the field of LLMs. References and further resources: An Introduction to Residuality Theory - Barry O'Reilly (YouTube video) @technologytulip Residues: Time, Change, and Uncertainty in Software Architecture by Barry O’Reilly The technical and social contracts of APIs - Discussion with Marsh Gardiner (API Resilience podcast episode) AI The Docs event by Pronovix The Open Interface Web: Declaring Interfaces For An Open & Accessible World (Pronovix blog) Cause, Effect, and the Structure of the Social World by Megan T. Stevenson Safe Haven: Investing for Financial Storms by Mark Spitznagel…
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1 The technical and social contracts of APIs - Discussion with Marsh Gardiner 1:02:56
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedThe way we think about the future of APIs can take many different forms. In this episode, Marsh Gardiner and Kristof Van Tomme approach the subject from several angles. They discuss questions like: Why can we say that APIs are interface utilities? How does the network effect work? Can we call APIs infrastructure? Marsh's #APIFutures post: https://sociotechnical.org/archive/evolving-api-product-thinking/ Kristof's #APIFutures post: https://pronovix.com/articles/apis-are-interface-utilities CNCF platform engineering working group's maturity model: https://tag-app-delivery.cncf.io/whitepapers/platform-eng-maturity-model/ Blog post about Moonwalk: https://www.openapis.org/blog/2023/12/06/openapi-moonwalk-2024 Find Marsh on Mastodon or LinkedIn API Resilience podcast with Kenny Baas-Schwegler (Wardley mapping) API Resilience podcast with Jabe Bloom, Part 1 (three economies)…
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1 Boundaries and interfaces - Conversation with Koichi Shiroma 52:03
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this episode, Koichi Shiroma (Principal Consultant) narrates his journey of how his team implemented an interface portal. With Kristof Van Tomme, they discuss what can be the business drivers for interface portals and what obstacles one has to overcome during the implementation. Resources: https://pronovix.com/articles/apis-are-interface-utilities https://www.amazon.com/Books-Alicia-Juarrero/s?rh=n%3A283155%2Cp_27%3AAlicia+Juarrero…
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1 Complex systems, generative AI and affordance-centric APIs - Conversation with Michael Hibay and Mike Amundsen 1:42:45
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this episode, Michael Hibay (API Platform Architect at WSFS Bank) and Mike Amundsen (Amundsen,com, Inc.) deep dive into the topic of hypermedia, complex systems, Domain Driven Design, and generative AI. They explore the questions of what hypermedia API is, what an API affordance catalog can be, and how language models can be applied on the client’s side. Additional Sources: Design and Build Great Web APIs: Robust, Reliable, and Resilient by Mike Amundsen I pledge to do no harm with your data by Michael Hibay 3 Ideas On AI Readiness, The Role of APIs and Developer Portals In Generative AI Systems by Kristof Van Tomme…
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1 The world of Kubernetes and APIs - Conversation with Viktor Farcic 1:10:34
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedWhy can we treat Kubernetes as an open standard that enables computing to become a utility? In this episode, Viktor Farcic (Developer Advocate at Upbound) explains why we can say that Kubernetes is an extensible API, and highlights that an API has no tangible usefulness by itself. With Kristof Van Tomme, they also deep dive into the fundamentals of a good portal.Further Resource: DevOps Toolkit YouTube channel The API Resilience Podcast is powered by Pronovix.…
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1 What does “good” look like to you? - Conversation with Chris McDermott, Part 2 1:02:34
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedThe final installment of the Complexity series ends this collection of interviews on a high note. In this episode, we dive deeper into the practical application of social practice theory, the optimization of transformative processes, and the value of maturity with the help of our guest, Chris McDermott (Lean Agile Coach & Principal Consultant at Contextualise) and hosts Kristof van Tomme (CEO and co-founder at Pronovix) and Marc Burgauer (Principal Consultant and Co-founder at Contextualise).…
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1 How can social sciences benefit software developers? - Conversation with Chris McDermott Part 1 46:16
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn the first part of the finale of the Complexity series, hosts Kristof Van Tomme (CEO and co-founder at Pronovix) and Marc Burgauer (Principal Consultant and Co-founder at Contextualise) interview Lean Agile coach and Contextualise co-founder, Chris McDermott who explains how he helps leaders navigate uncertainty through honest conversations, how a social science lens can benefit software development teams, and why context matters when we’re adapting practices.…
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1 The revolution of composability - A conversation with John Doyle and Henk Beld 51:47
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this time of ever changing demands, it is more important than ever to remain flexible and react swiftly to change. In this episode, John Doyle (CEO at Digital Polygon) and Henk Beld (Solutions Architect at Amazee.io) explain how composability can help you break down monoliths into smaller, interchangeable components that allow you to keep up with rapid transformations.…
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1 Emerging trends in the open banking landscape - A conversation with Jorgos Tsovilis and Thorben Peter 54:25
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedInnopay's Open Banking Monitor offers a valuable and unique insight into banking APIs on a global scale. In this episode, Jorgos Tsovilis (Senior Consultant) and Thorben Peter (Junior Consultant) explain the evaluation process behind the monitor and share their thoughts on current and emerging trends in the open banking space. Innopay Open Banking Monitor: https://www.innopay.com/en/publications/sneak-preview-innopay-open-banking-monitor-q1-2023-old-guard-are-embracing-new…
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1 A superior technology doesn’t mean success - Interview with Dawn Ahukanna, part 2 1:02:17
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedWe continue our talk with Dawn Ahukanna (Design Principal and Front-End Architect at IBM). She points out the importance of variability and sheds light on what makes an API successful. Dawn also makes an exciting analogy between REST and SOAP APIs and the VHS and Betamax cassette formats. In this conversation, we also deep dive into how one can define complexity - if possible - and whether complexity can be helpful.…
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1 Mixing desk versus three buttons: what is the right thing for your audience? - Conversation with Dawn Ahukanna, part 1 55:41
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this episode, we discuss with Dawn Ahukanna (Design Principal and Front-End Architect at IBM) why it is essential to acknowledge the whole spectrum instead of the pieces and how it can help if one keeps in mind the end and works backwards. Dawn also mentions how one can make an effective change.
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1 API-soup into API platform - Conversation with Jabe Bloom - part 2 45:05
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedWe continue with our conversation with Jabe Bloom. In this second episode we talk about how organizational design is still stuck in organizational engineering, how to get beyond that, and how we have to rethink our understanding of roles. Jabe explains Alicia Juarrero’s term or neurological recursion using high-school cliques, how do complex systems stabilize towards hetearchies of mediated interactions between co-existing hierarchies within the organization, and finally how this all informs creating APIs that enable the emergence of higher level constructs. Jabe currently works as a Senior Director in the Global Transformation Office at RedHat. Jabe has been transforming and researching the organizational dynamics and interactions of management, design, development, and operational excellence for over twenty years as an executive, academic and consultant. Jabe is also in the final stages of writing his PhD dissertation at Carnegie Mellon in transition design.…
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1 Complexity is a pharmakon - Conversation with Jabe Bloom - part 1 1:02:40
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedWe talk with Jabe Bloom about how building software in enterprise is a philosophical argument and how knowing some philosophy can help. What is a pharmakon, and what is the Goldilocks space of complexity. Technical debt as an example of how deterministic systems can have agency within a socio-technical system. The origin story of Jabe’s model of the three economies and how it helps budgeting complexity and how it is a key to building successful platforms. Jabe currently works as a Senior Director in the Global Transformation Office at RedHat. Jabe has been transforming and researching the organizational dynamics and interactions of management, design, development, and operational excellence for over twenty years as an executive, academic and consultant. Jabe is also in the final stages of writing his PhD dissertation at Carnegie Mellon in transition design.…
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1 What do you need to go along with a decision? Conversation with Kenny Baas-Schwegler - part 2 44:11
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn the 2nd part of our conversation with Kenny Baas-Schwegler (Strategic software delivery consultant and Domain-Driven Design expert, Xebia) we discussed why most organizational changes don't work, and what are the four ways of Deep Democracy that can help move into a decision making. It’s always important to ask: “What do you need to go along with this decision?” And it needs to be communicated what decision was made. Hosts are Kristof Van Tomme (CEO & Co-founder, Pronovix), and Marc Burgauer (Principal Consultant and Co-founder at Contextualise).…
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1 Create fluidity and get the conflicts out! Conversation with Kenny Baas-Schwegler - part 1 37:44
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedWe had a conversation with Kenny Baas-Schwegler (from Xebia), who is a strategic software delivery consultant and software architect with a focus on socio-technical systems. With his guidance, we deep-dived into Domain-Driven Design (DDD) and Deep Democracy. How can fluidity and upfront communication help to create a shared language and understand the other’s needs? How does this help an organization to move forward with its strategy? With collaborative modelling (like eventstorming) teams can experience the complexity within their organization. From there, it is possible to create a structure, but keep in mind that the structures are continuously evolving, they are not static. Hosts are Kristof Van Tomme (CEO & Co-founder, Pronovix), and Marc Burgauer (Principal Consultant and Co-founder at Contextualise). Transcript of the episode available here.…
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1 We shouldn't automate management just yet. Conversation with Prof Alicia Juarrero - part 2 55:04
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedContinuing our conversation with Alicia Juarrero, we go deeper on enabling constraints, specifically catalysts and feedback loops, emergence, what this means for management and why in complexity you need to start with context. Our guest is Professor Alicia Juarrero, a leading complexity theory philosopher and academic, as well as the founder and president of VectorAnalytica, a technology company that specializes in large scale scientific data capture and real time analysis tools. Alicia's work in complexity theory is widely quoted by thought leaders in the technology space and referenced in many recent complexity-informed approaches for managing highly dynamic systems, as well as in knowledge management. Transcript of the episode available here.…
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1 Complex systems remember their past - Conversation with Prof Alicia Juarrero - part 1 47:31
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedWe talk about constraints, especially temporal and enabling constraints in complexity theory, how complex systems remember their past and what we can learn from boundaries in complex systems for APIs. Our guest is Professor Alicia Juarrero, a leading complexity theory philosopher and academic, as well as the founder and president of VectorAnalytica, a technology company that specializes in large scale scientific data capture and real time analysis tools. Alicia's work in complexity theory is widely quoted by thought leaders in the technology space and referenced in many recent complexity-informed approaches for managing highly dynamic systems, as well as in knowledge management. Transcript of the episode available here.…
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1 Show me your change process! Conversation with Matthew Reinbold - part 2 41:28
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn part 2 of our conversation with Matthew Reinbold, Digital Engagement Lead at Concentrix Catalyst API Practice group, we discuss how governance should drive change towards the desired behaviors, and why governance needs to have "power with" (not "power over") for sustainable change. It is a grave mistake to assume that all of digital transformation is programmatic: it is lines of communication that are now being rewired within the organization that are subsequently creating brand new interaction patterns. We agree on hoping the pendulum is moving back toward an idea that the sum is greater than the parts. Transcript of the episode available here.…
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1 Show me your change process! Conversation with Matthew Reinbold - part 1 42:32
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedWe got into a long conversation with Matthew Reinbold , Digital Engagement Lead at Concentrix Catalyst API Practice group, about how to get the outcomes you want from a transformation effort. APIs enable change, but they need to be accompanied by governance that drives the desired behaviors. Emergent behavior is essential, but it also crashed the stock market. We converse about coherence versus consistence–through salt and pepper–, and what about that alignment? Transcript of the episode available here.…
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1 Opening episode: APIs and Deliberate Complexity 48:25
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIf you've ever wondered how APIs change organizations, our communities and our society, look no further, this is the podcast you've been searching for. How we transform organizations is a complex problem. We need to explain emergence, and create the conditions that makes it much more likely for certain things to happen. Thinking that you can just import somebody else's model is, from a complexity perspective, fraught with difficulties that are hard to anticipate. Discover together with us how APIs can help organizations to become more deliberate about their inherent complexity. Expect deep conversations with really smart guests, and discussions covering technological, sociological, and philosophical topics in the field of APIs, Platforms, Ecosystems, and complexity in general. Hosts are Kristof Van Tomme (CEO & Co-founder, Pronovix), and Marc Burgauer (Principal Consultant and Co-founder at Contextualise). Intro music: Night Owl by Broke For Free, Creative Common Attribution Transcript of the episode available here.…
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1 Creating More Resilient Systems: an Introduction to Affordances -- Interview with Micheal Hibay, pt 1 41:32
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedMichael Hibay is an API evangelist, architect and CTO at Vesti. He helps organizations to establish, evolve and mature their API strategies. What’s the difference between an API catalogue and an affordance catalogue ? What are affordances and how do they define the usability of a system? Why are affordances similar to languages? The interview got split into 2 episodes. In this first episode, Michael argued that versionless APIs built through an affordance approach, introduce new capabilities without causing breaking changes. An affordance approach in API design also saves money by avoiding the need for new iterations and API versions. The host is Kristof Van Tomme.…
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1 Building Digital Ecosystems - Digital Experience and Developer Experience - Interview with Nick Veenhof (Dropsolid) 49:49
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this episode: What specialization has to do with the evolution of organizations and why is it essential to think about companies as part of complex (digital) ecosystems? Nick Veenhof is the CTO of Dropsolid, a Digital Experience company, offering a single platform driven by various Open Source technologies. Tune in and learn about: What’s the difference between Digital Experience and Developer Experience platforms Why pure SaaS solutions can be a dead end for organizations on the long term Why APIs and digital ecosystems mean serious challenge for data sovereignty Why specialization is crucial for organizations to provide value, and how Dropsolid and Pronovix managed to find their markets by differentiation…
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1 Transforming Organizations: API Adoption and (Internal) Developer Advocacy - Interview with Raymond Peng (Google) 58:29
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this episode: What does Coca Cola’s product and marketing philosophy have to do with APIs and how can investing in homegrown API management be a bad idea? In most organizations internal adoption and knowledge sharing is also crucial for success in addition to creating APIs. In this episode Raymond and Kristof discussed why internal advocacy and knowledge sharing has to be part of a successful digital transformation journey. They also shared why API programs should be built with the developer experience and growth potential in mind from the start. Host: Kristof Van Tomme…
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1 “Developer Marketing Does Not Exist” - Interview with Adam DuVander 45:57
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this episode: When you are reaching out to developers, traditional marketing solutions like leadgen forms or ppc ads won’t work on their own. What is the right approach then? How to convince developers to use your products or services? In this episode Adam DuVander (principal consultant at Every Developer) and Kristof Van Tomme (CEO at Pronovix) discussed how and why “marketing” to developers is different from marketing to other audiences, how to change your mindset and toolset to transcend and complement the classic funnel-based approach, how this way of “promotion” might even affect marketing in general in the future, and Adam also presented his new book, “Developer Marketing Does Not Exist” Host: Kristof Van Tomme Resources: Adam DuVander: Developer Marketing Does Not Exist The Secret Sauce of Developer Marketing - previous interview with Adam DuVander on the API Resilience podcast Contents: 1:26 Adam is a returning guest, he is publishing a new book 2:15 storytelling - companies should do it more 2:44 developer marketing: manipulation vs education - is it only for developers? 4:00 developers are more sceptical - developer marketing tactics and approach can work at other audiences too 6:40 developers are typically difficult to reach out to with traditional promotional means 9:05 journalism: you have to find the point, and it is not to promote; developer relations: see personally how the team connects with developers 11:05 content can do a lot of the relation building for you 13:00 balance between marketing and devrel: have something that is not branded and try to connect it - let the halo effect work 14:00 the content can induce the natural next step: CTAs: “Sign up” or “Check the platform” 16:00 2 sales modes: 1. Establish credibility 2. Switch to sales mode when someone shows interest and ready to buy 17:21 make the step natural and don’t chase the developers away by asking too much (don’t ask for phone number, etc.) 19:00 blatant promotion is abusing trust. Attention is too expensive today 21:00 why are developers different? Why are they ahead in the process? they naturally want to understand how things work 24:54 Product vs Services: you only need to buy this product and you can immediately achieve your goal - it is a fake promise 33:40 How to teach your colleagues -- how to bring new people into doing content 35:30 develop the same taste in your team 36:30 The title of Adam’s book: Developer Marketing Does Not Exist. You can lay this philosophy on your funnel approach! Provide authentic content that helps to convert - it provides the audience with authenticity 41:30 Shift in approach - cooperative, without competition…
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In this episode Mark and Kristof did a retrospective discussion on the past episodes and Mark said farewell to the listeners as he will no longer co-host the podcast. API resilience started in 2020 June to explore how companies can become more resilient and create business value by investing in their API programs, even in such unprecedented times as the pandemia. In the past 24 episodes API team leads and experts shared their growth stories and views on how APIs will shape the future -- both in their organizations and on a more theoretical, “API philosophical” level. Tune in and listen to Mark’s and Kristof’s digest on some of the most exciting takeaways from the one year history of API Resilience podcast. “ People are not looking for APIs but capabilities ” - Mehdi Medajoui (API Days, gdpr.dev) in Episode 09 and Episode 10 “ Business developers are developers too ” - Katrien Van Gijsel (KBC Bank & Verzekering) in Episode 14 “ Communities are everywhere, and now can be everywhere, more so than ever ” - Lorna Jane Mitchell on the evolving role of developer advocacy in Episode 06 “ The affordance exists between the object and the person. The affordance is not intrinsic in the object ” - Mike Amundsen in Episode 13…
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1 Transition from code-first to design-first: growing the API program at SAS 59:57
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedSAS is a leading business analytics software company, and also the largest independent vendor in the business intelligence market. In this episode Jeannie Hawrysz (Lead API Architect and Manager of API and Developer Program Enablement) talked about their team efforts to set new standards for their API program during the time of pandemia. She explained how they organized internal workshops with their UX/design and product management teams to help outline a design-first based workflow. These efforts eventually led to an internal “cultural revolution” and concluded in an API lifecycle that is driven by API governance principles and a product mindset. In the podcast Jeannie talked about the challenges of simultaneously catering to diverse personas like data scientists and business decision makers. She also described why and how they started to redesign SAS' developer portal and how low- and no-code solutions might shape their API program in the future. The hosts are Kristof Van Tomme and Mark Winberry.…
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1 Building and running a successful API Program in a high-asset travel company 51:44
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedTUI (Touristik Union International) is the largest leisure, travel and tourism company in the world. In episode 2 Robin Meissner (Head of API transformation) talked about TUI’s digital transformation efforts in the past 2 years from the first API they published to the future API and interface ecosystem he envisions for TUI. Tune in and learn: TUI is a “high-asset” company that grew through acquisitions and that has many local partners. What challenges did this create for TUI in its digital transformation journey? Why technology is only half of a successful API program? Why and how Robin’s team took an iterative, inclusive approach in their API program instead of trying to kick off with a perfect digital experience? How the value of APIs is perceived by internal management, and What KPIs and other factors can indicate the success of a digital transformation program and facilitate management buy-in?…
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1 Creating personalized experiences through APIs in the travel industry 40:11
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedRobin Meissner is the Head of API transformation at TUI AG (Touristik Union International), the largest leisure, travel and tourism company in the world. In the first episode Robin and the hosts, Kristof Van Tomme and Mark Winberry took an “API-philosophic” angle and discussed how APIs could help create more personalized, diverse and unique experiences in the future, going beyond their current role in the corporate world. They also explained why unexpected and surprising integrations are essential for the success of an API program, and what a bathroom recognition application - built at a hackathon - has to do with all this. Listen to the 2nd episode too, where Robin shared TUI’s digital transformation success story and challenges. The hosts are Kristof Van Tomme (CEO and Co-founder of Pronovix) and Mark Winberry (Senior Director of US Operations at Pronovix).…
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1 Journey of a transformation into a Consumer, API First company w/ Maarten Roosendaal (bol.com) 1:04:59
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedMaarten has been an IT architect and now moved into a position of being a product manager and product owner of a retailer API at bol.com. In this episode he will take us on a journey of a remarkable transformation over his 10 years at bol.com. Bol.com started off as a small e-commerce book company experiencing rapid growth, which also meant a really rapid growth from architectural perspective, moving to microservices with over a thousand IT components. What have they lost along the way? How could they become agile at scale? How have they organised their architecture in a way that allows to have a better overview on the services and products? How has the pandemic affected their growth story? What is the best way to adapt to new circumstances fundamentally changing how you operate and deliver value to consumers? Join us to hear about this, and much more.…
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1 Digital transformation in public broadcasting w/ Roberto Salomone (SRG SSR) 48:14
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedRoberto works for the largest public service media company in Switzerland. Starting out as an IT architect and later as an enterprise architect, he initiated an API program at SRG-SSR based on requirements coming not only from the business but also from opportunities discovered through their hackathons, in which they actively support innovation and digital transformation. Join us to hear more about the main takeaways coming from organizing hackathons and how to make the results sustainable. What effects did the pandemic have on a public broadcaster`s operations and how did they manage to keep up with the changing media landscape. What makes a company more resilient when facing the challenges of accelerated digital transformation. How can an organization become more adaptive because of APIs? In this interview Roberto also explains how SRG SSR intends to be meaningful for the public interest and help with addressing the information shocks that are currently going through our society.…
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1 API driven capabilities in the automotive industry (Part 1) w/ John Musser (Ford Motor Company) 44:17
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like Liked“Software is eating your car” claims John Musser (Director, Platforms, Ford Autonomous Vehicles). This episode explores new affordances and unique functionalities that are triggered by a broader connectivity between vehicles, IoT devices and other elements of the transportation space. The interview delves into questions, like What opportunities do API connected vehicles open up? How can you navigate an API program in a highly regulated industry? What factors drive an API program of a large automotive organization? What are the key steps of structuring an API program first “at home”, then in the retail and commercial markets? The hosts are Kristof Van Tomme (CEO & co-founder, Pronovix) and Mark Winberry (director of US operations, Pronovix). Intro music: Broke For Free - Night Owl (CC)…
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1 API Success as a Bow Wave w/ Claire Barrett (APIsFirst Consulting) 1:26:17
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like Liked“Successful transformation comes from balancing trade-offs, choices between two right ways of executing” claims Claire Barrett (Director, APIsFirst Consulting). This interview explores how API success creates a bow wave for an organisation’s wider digital transformation, and why it is important to recognise the humans behind API success. It also delves into concepts like inside out project thinking, intentional teams and other key issues, like How do you get started with your transformation agenda? Where do you put your effort and investment in along the way? How do you amplify the story for the people who are impacted by the transformation agenda? Who needs to get behind an API success? Who drives organizations through transformation? How do you empower, resource and not distract the group that is going to make your API program successful? Why is that people don’t necessarily recognize the opportunity APIs bring? How to illuminate the path to new opportunities? How do APIs help a wider change especially in large and complex organizations? What measurement systems do orgs use to measure progress, impact and performance? Are there roles that are neglected or overlooked? The hosts are Kristof Van Tomme (CEO & co-founder, Pronovix) and Mark Winberry (director of US operations, Pronovix). Intro music: Broke For Free - Night Owl (CC)…
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1 APIs and Evolutionary Purpose w/ Ainhoa Pulido & Flavio Geraldes (Lufthansa) 50:38
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this episode of API Resilience, Ainhoa Pulido (API Manager, Lufthansa ) and Flavio Geraldes (API Manager, Lufthansa) explore the importance of purpose and innovation when it comes to creating or integrating APIs. They also delve into how crisis helps API programs evolve, and how finding the common ground in understanding and language is crucial when working with different departments of a large organization. The hosts are Kristof Van Tomme (CEO & co-founder, Pronovix ) and Mark Winberry (director of US operations, Pronovix). Intro music: Broke For Free - Night Owl (CC)…
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1 Non-transactional Values in the API Space w/ Kin Lane (Postman) 28:49
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn the first part of the API Resilience interview Kin Lane talked about Digital Literacy & Democratizing APIs . The 2nd part of the conversation went towards more philosophical territories where Kin, Mark and Kristof explored how an essentially transactional space like APIs and digital transformation can and should still have non-transactional aspects. They also talked about how organizations can be more successful by acknowledging the human aspect besides transactional goals and how developer portals can support this. The hosts are Kristof Van Tomme (CEO & co-founder, Pronovix ) and Mark Winberry (director of US operations, Pronovix). Intro music: Broke For Free - Night Owl (CC)…
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1 Connecting Audience & APIs w/ Aleksei Akimov (Adyen) 1:06:11
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like Liked“Our shared responsibility is to help industries where we belong to adopt and push forward their API programs and API community initiatives” claims Aleksei Akimov (Head of API, Adyen ). In this episode we look into how an API-first payment processing company adopting the design-first methodology is able to iterate on their APIs fast, how their non-binary thinking of their audience helps them to maintain a consistent API program, and what extra meaning can a Van Gogh exhibition add to the way they think about APIs. The hosts are Kristof Van Tomme (CEO & co-founder, Pronovix ) and Mark Winberry (director of US operations, Pronovix). Intro music: Broke For Free - Night Owl (CC)…
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1 The present & future of banking APIs - Part 4 w/ Katrien Van Gijsel (KBC & Verzekering) 1:01:27
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIt pays off to cater to both technical and business audiences, claims Katrien Van Gijsel (Business Innovation Manager, KBC & Verzekering ). In this episode of API Resilience, Katrien explains how the democratization of developer experience paid off for the organization and how their partners found new ways towards digital transformation. The hosts are Kristof Van Tomme (CEO & co-founder, Pronovix ) and Mark Winberry (director of US operations, Pronovix). Intro music: Broke For Free - Night Owl (CC)…
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1 Designing the APIs of the future w/ Mike Amundsen 1:10:46
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedWill APIs make it possible in the future to build systems that are rather optimized for cooperation and resilience than profit and sheer growth? What is the difference between writing code for a machine vs. all the machines? Why APIs resemble creative game spaces or ant colonies, and why is it an antipattern to create sequential workflows when designing APIs? Mike Amundsen , the well known speaker and author/co-author of 18 books shared his fascinating vision of the role of APIs and complex systems in the past and the future of our societies, and also talked about his upcoming new book titled Design and Build Great Web APIs. The hosts are Kristof Van Tomme (CEO & co-founder, Pronovix ) and Mark Winberry (director of US operations, Pronovix). Intro music: Broke For Free - Night Owl (CC)…
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1 About Digital Literacy & Democratizing APIs w/ Kin Lane (Postman) 51:35
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like Liked“Democratizing APIs is about making people aware that APIs exist, and that they can use them too, it’s not just for wizards on the hill […] anyone can do it”, says Kin Lane ( Postman ). In this week’s episode of API Resilience, he explains why digital literacy and democratizing APIs go hand in hand, and why imagination is key when you’re creating an API program. He also describes ways technical environments such as developer portals can be inclusive towards business stakeholders and their business use cases, and why an established common vocabulary is essential. The hosts are Kristof Van Tomme (CEO & co-founder, Pronovix ) and Mark Winberry (director of US operations, Pronovix). Intro music: Broke For Free - Night Owl (CC)…
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1 Shaking off legacy to become API-first w/ Sophie Rutard (Euler Hermes) 51:27
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this edition of API Resilience, Sophie Rutard (Head of API, Euler Hermes ) shares how a paper-centered business improved its operations by making efforts towards digital transformation – from value proposition through buy-in to API governance. She explains the pioneering spirit behind their actions, why and how a mathematical model helped, and how they cut their monolith into sustainable microservices. A fascinating conversation with insights that can help every company grow! The hosts are Kristof Van Tomme (CEO & co-founder, Pronovix ) and Mark Winberry (director of US operations, Pronovix). Intro music: Broke For Free - Night Owl (CC)…
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1 Personal Digital Capital and GDPR Portability - Interview w/ Mehdi Medjaoui (Apidays) Part 2 30:49
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like Liked‘People don’t look for APIs, they look for abilities,’ claims Mehdi Medjaoui (founder, Apidays ). In Part 1, he explains the key elements of the API mindset and explores the challenges of API integration and discoverability. In Part 2, he presents his new vision, which focuses on GDPR portability and the trend of commercializing personal data. The hosts are Kristof Van Tomme (CEO & co-founder, Pronovix ) and Mark Winberry (director of US operations, Pronovix). Intro music: Broke For Free - Night Owl (CC)…
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1 Key elements of the API mindset - Interview w/ Mehdi Medjaoui (Apidays) Part 1 40:10
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like Liked‘People don’t look for APIs, they look for abilities,’ claims Mehdi Medjaoui (founder, Apidays ). In Part 1, he explains the key elements of the API mindset and explores the challenges of API integration and discoverability. In Part 2, he presents his new vision, which focuses on GDPR portability and the trend of commercializing personal data. The hosts are Kristof Van Tomme (CEO & co-founder, Pronovix ) and Mark Winberry (director of US operations, Pronovix). Intro music: Broke For Free - Night Owl (CC)…
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1 The secret sauce of developer marketing w/ Adam DuVander (EveryDeveloper) 1:01:35
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedEarning the trust of your developers is the first step in developer marketing, says Adam DuVander (principal consultant, EveryDeveloper ). In this episode of API Resilience, he explores how product development depends on audiences, as well as on business purposes. He also shares best practices about how to communicate such goals.. The hosts are Kristof Van Tomme (CEO & co-founder, Pronovix ) and Mark Winberry (director of US operations, Pronovix). Intro music: Broke For Free - Night Owl (CC)…
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1 The present & future of banking APIs - Part 3 w/ Joris Hensen & Matthias Büscher (Deutsche Bank) 1:03:27
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIf you believe hackathons serve little to no service in digital transformation, think again. Joris Hensen (founder, Deutsche Bank API program) and Matthias Büscher (product manager, Deutsche Bank Developer Portal) explained how an internal hackathon kicked off their API journey towards fulfilling PSD2 regulatory needs. They also explained how being an early API adopter benefited both Deutsche Bank and their customers. The hosts are Kristof Van Tomme (CEO & co-founder, Pronovix ) and Mark Winberry (director of US operations, Pronovix). Intro music: Broke For Free - Night Owl (CC)…
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1 The evolving role of developer advocacy w/ Lorna Jane Mitchell (Vonage) 1:00:26
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn this episode of API Resilience, Lorna Jane Mitchell (senior developer advocate, Vonage ) shares her journey as a developer advocate, OpenAPI Initiative contributor, open source enthusiast, and keen blogger, and how her role has been evolving into digital advocacy this year. She also explores the steps you can take to not to go too early into code and add more value to your API experience, and how API teams could benefit from a spec-first attitude. The hosts are Kristof Van Tomme (CEO & co-founder, Pronovix ) and Mark Winberry (director of US operations, Pronovix). Intro music: Broke For Free - Night Owl (CC)…
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1 The present & future of banking APIs - Part 2 w/ Koen Adolfs (ABN AMRO) 56:13
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedABN AMRO’s API journey started when PSD2 regulations enforced adjustments. Tune in to hear Koen Adolfs ’ (open banking product owner, ABN AMRO) story, and how he leveraged the community to build ABN’s DEVREL program into one of Europe’s leading banking API stories. The hosts are Kristof Van Tomme (CEO & co-founder, Pronovix ) and Mark Winberry (director of US operations, Pronovix). Intro music: Broke For Free - Night Owl (CC)…
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1 Autonomous APIs: the future of APIs? – Interview w/ Zdenek Nemec 1:00:18
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedChoosing which API to integrate with is always a bit of a gamble: will the API keep working? How fast will it change? Will you have the time and money to keep updating your integration as fast as the API changes? In this edition of the API Resilience podcast, Zdenek Nemec (founder, Superface.ai ) explains how true machine-to-machine communication could radically transform all of this. Imagine if anybody could use the global API information infrastructure and trust that the right connection gets made without somebody having to manually engineer it. Listen in to hear Zdenek Nemec discuss the future of APIs with Kristof Van Tomme (CEO & co-founder, Pronovix ) and Mark Winberry (director of US operations, Pronovix), the hosts of the show. Intro music: Broke For Free - Night Owl (CC)…
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1 Enhance Developer Experience & Customer Service in Times of Crisis w/ Gregory De Jans & Julija Babre (TomTom) 46:54
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn the third episode of the API Resilience podcast, Gregory De Jans (technical lead for developer program, TomTom ) and Julija Babre (product marketing manager, TomTom) discussed what new solutions they needed to implement in order to be able to stay in touch with their customers. The 2019 DevPortal Awards winners also talked about their approach towards their developer portal. The hosts are Kristof Van Tomme (CEO & co-founder, Pronovix ) and Mark Winberry (director of US operations, Pronovix). TomTom’s developer portal is available at https://developer.tomtom.com/ Intro music: Broke For Free - Night Owl (CC)…
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1 The present & future of banking APIs - Part 1 w/ Mark Boyd & Phuong Pham (Platformable) 48:56
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Play Later Play Later Lists Like LikedIn the second edition of the API Resilience podcast, Mark Boyd (founder, Platformable ) and Phuong Pham (open banking industry analyst, Platformable) discussed the importance of APIs in the fintech and banking sector as well as what trends are to be expected in the coming years of open banking and open financing. They also shared the value of banking APIs when it comes to analyzing consumer data. The hosts are Kristof Van Tomme (CEO & co-founder, Pronovix ) and Mark Winberry (director of US operations, Pronovix). Intro music: Broke For Free - Night Owl (CC)…
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In this first episode of the API Resilience podcast, Kristof Van Tomme (CEO & co-founder, Pronovix), and Mark Winberry (director of US operations, Pronovix) discuss the roles of APIs in facing the challenges of the current pandemic economy. Intro music: Broke For Free - Night Owl (CC)
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